2014 NASCAR Thread

[Adamgp]

JGR cars are at least all in a position to make the chase, RFR excluding Edwards won't make the chase this year

Currently Biffle is in a position to make the chase on points, if he does, RFR will have 2 of 3 drivers in.

Carl Edwards saw what Matt Kenseth did last year, winning 7 races in his first season with a new team, after barely winning 2-3 races per year at RFR. You can't tell me that didn't open his eyes and make him think, "Why didn't I go there three years ago when everyone in the world thought I was!?"

Matt did win 7 last year, but is winless this year. JGR, like RFR, is a bit off this year.

 

[GTPorsche]

I'm sure ARRIS has a bunch of money, being an IT company. Much like Jeff's paint sponsor, it's an unknown to the majority of the public, especially NASCAR fans. Too bad Subway didn't come with Carl. Carl is good at marketing. I'm not expecting ARRIS commercials to be common like Subway during Spongebob.

Subway is following Carl. They're a personal sponsor of his.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Going to JGR seems like a lateral move. I guess Edwards wanted/needed a change, but JGR isn't really doing much better than RFR this year.

Um not sure what you're talking about Kenseth has shown that with or without wins the car is so much better on weekends the most others that it gives him the ability to sit as high up in the points as he currently does. Busch tends to have the worst luck of the JGR drivers and up until last year Hamlin was doing what Kenseth did but with a win or two in there.

Point is this is vast improvement, a lateral move would have been from RFR to RCR which is only somewhat better.

It's not JGR's fault that their two rising stars that never won the cup but were the likely candidates of various years, have been lackluster this year while their new team mate is doing what he couldn't ever dream of in the past few years at RFR. Edwards who is just as good as Matt (as the stats show third all time driver behind Matt and Martin currently), probably saw this as the best viable option and will probably do as well as Matt in the next couple years.

He may be in the chase now, but the point is the RFR cars heavily lack consistency and many times don't have enough drive to get the wins that hurt Edwards out of a 2011 championship.

I'm curious if your Toyota dislike plays into the comments

Currently Biffle is in a position to make the chase on points, if he does, RFR will have 2 of 3 drivers in.

So is Newman and Larson...big whoop

If he was up there in points like Matt or a position ahead or behind, I could see your point but there isn't one.

 

[cnd01]

JGR cars are at least all in a position to make the chase, RFR excluding Edwards won't make the chase this year

Biffle is currently in I believe. Kenseth isn't a lock so far either.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Biffle is currently in I believe. Kenseth isn't a lock so far either.

What? That makes no sense how would Biffle be in and not Kennseth in 3rd

EDIT: fifth after this past weekend

 

[Jahgee]

Biffle is currently in I believe. Kenseth isn't a lock so far either.

There are 3 races left before the chase with 4 possible spots still open, so if a new person that isn't Kenseth wins the last three races, with a different winner each race, then Kenseth will still get the 16th spot based off of points, unless he gets passed by another winless driver

 

[samurai8juice]

Currently Biffle is in a position to make the chase on points, if he does, RFR will have 2 of 3 drivers in.



Matt did win 7 last year, but is winless this year. JGR, like RFR, is a bit off this year.

Well JGR has 3/3 drivers in, so they are better. Matt is winless this year, but he's fifth in points. As long as he can win when it'll be most important in the Chase, then the wins don't matter right now.

Um not sure what you're talking about Kenseth has shown that with or without wins the car is so much better on weekends the most others that it gives him the ability to sit as high up in the points as he currently does. Busch tends to have the worst luck of the JGR drivers and up until last year Hamlin was doing what Kenseth did but with a win or two in there.

Point is this is vast improvement, a lateral move would have been from RFR to RCR which is only somewhat better.

It's not JGR's fault that their two rising stars that never won the cup but were the likely candidates of various years, have been lackluster this year while their new team mate is doing what he couldn't ever dream of in the past few years at RFR. Edwards who is just as good as Matt (as the stats show third all time driver behind Matt and Martin currently), probably saw this as the best viable option and will probably do as well as Matt in the next couple years.

He may be in the chase now, but the point is the RFR cars heavily lack consistency and many times don't have enough drive to get the wins that hurt Edwards out of a 2011 championship.

I'm curious if your Toyota dislike plays into the comments



So is Newman and Larson...big whoop

If he was up there in points like Matt or a position ahead or behind, I could see your point but there isn't one.

I am not a fan of Toyota's either(like that guy ), but I'm a Matt Kenseth fan. So it looks like I'll have to love the Camry for the next few years.

Biffle is currently in I believe. Kenseth isn't a lock so far either.

But, Kenseth is a lock nearly. He's the non-winner leader in points, which is a lock.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There are 3 races left before the chase with 4 possible spots still open, so if a new person that isn't Kenseth wins the last three races, with a different winner each race, then Kenseth will still get the 16th spot based off of points, unless he gets passed by another winless driver

Which is unlikey

 

[cnd01]

What? That makes no sense how would Biffle be in and not Kennseth in 3rd

Never said he wasn't in. Just said that Kenseth hasn't won this season and could easily not make it.

 

[Rhykus Finlay]

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/sha...speedway-081914?cmpid=tsmfb:fscom:nascaronfox

With every fiber of my being I wish this was real.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Never said he wasn't in. Just said that Kenseth hasn't won this season and could easily not make it.

No you said you think Biffle in a 11th with no wins is in, but Matt isn't in...unless the rhetoric you choose was meant to mean something else and came off looking like it did as I spell it out.

 

[cnd01]

No you said you think Biffle in a 11th with no wins is in, but Matt isn't in...unless the rhetoric you choose was meant to mean something else and came off looking like it did as I spell it out.

Biffle is currently in I believe. Kenseth isn't a lock so far either.

No idea what you're talking about. I did say currently and didn't claim anything as fact. Didn't say that Kenseth was going to miss. Just stated the fact that he hasn't won this year which means he isn't locked in and that if I'm not mistaken, Biffle is high enough in points to be in at the present. Not sure how I'm using rhetoric for pointing that out

 

[samurai8juice]

If Kenseth wins at Bristol he's instantly in 8th or higher. He had a strong race at Bristol earlier this year if I'm not mistaken, but got ruined due to a wreck?

If Biffle wins, he's in 8th.

I looked at the points, I didn't realize how strong Newman was this season, 8th in points.

 

[MustangRyan]

Never said he wasn't in. Just said that Kenseth hasn't won this season and could easily not make it.

Your definition of "easily" is dubious, at best.

Kenseth would have to lose 30 points to Newman (the closest winless driver to him in points) AND have three winless drivers below both of them win the final three races.

Best case scenario:
Kasey Kahne or Kyle Larson wins Bristol,
Greg Biffle or Brian Vickers wins Atlanta,
Clint Bowyer or Jamie McMurray wins Richmond,
Newman beats Kenseth by 10 spots per race, for all three races

That is so not happening.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No idea what you're talking about. I did say currently and didn't claim anything as fact. Didn't say that Kenseth was going to miss. Just stated the fact that he hasn't won this year which means he isn't locked in and that if I'm not mistaken, Biffle is high enough in points to be in at the present. Not sure how I'm using rhetoric for pointing that out

From that post and what was being talked about (the championship) it comes off sounding like Biffle is locked in and Matt isn't, especially when you use the term "isn't locked in either" as if also Matt isn't locked. Thus seeming to promote Biffle and RFR over JGR and a former RFR driver and/or not knowing the points standing.

If you had said Biffle has a chance at the chase currently and that was it I wouldn't have said anything.

 

[cnd01]

Remember, the Roush cars were really good at Bristol last time. All it takes is Stenhouse to win and he's in and if Biffle gets in on points that puts all of their supposedly uncompetitive cars in the Chase. Pretty unlikely, but stranger things have happened.

Your definition of "easily" is dubious, at best.

Kenseth would have to lose 30 points to Newman (the closest winless driver to him in points) AND have three winless drivers below both of them win the final three races.

Best case scenario: Kasey Kahne wins Bristol, Greg Biffle wins Atlanta, and Clint Bowyer wins Richmond, all while Newman beats Kenseth by 10 spots per race, for all three races.

That is so not happening.

One more 38th like last week with a top 8 by Newman and they're tied in points. Then if Bowyer just barely beats Kenseth in these next few weeks, he's ahead and we just need 2 first time winners and he's out. Biffle isn't that far behind in that situation either. It's not impossible, but not that likely either

 

[MustangRyan]

Never said he wasn't in. Just said that Kenseth hasn't won this season and could easily not make it.

It's not impossible, but not that likely either

When you say he could "easily not make" the Chase, and then immediately follow with him missing the Chase "is not impossible, but not likely" you can see how people might get confused.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And you bascially just say what I already expected and thought, which is you have a bias toward RFR and many saying they aren't competitive. They aren't Matt alone has as many top fives as Biffle has top tens, hell he's even doing better than RFR's winning driver in the top 5 and top 10s

 

[MustangRyan]

I looked at the points, I didn't realize how strong Newman was this season, 8th in points.

The RCR cars are keeping up in points with consistent top 15 finishes and very few accidents/DNFs. Austin Dillon has completed more laps this year than anyone else. Newman has the 5th most laps completed.

http://racing-reference.info/yeardet?s=7&yr=2014&series=W

 

[cnd01]

And you bascially just say what I already expected and thought, which is you have a bias toward RFR and many saying they aren't competitive. They aren't Matt alone has as many top fives as Biffle has top tens, hell he's even doing better than RFR's winning driver in the top 5 and top 10s

Shocker!!! I'm a Roush fan. I've said it here more than once already, but you finally got to the bottom of it 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And look has the best Avg finish

 

[LancerEvo7]

"Irwin Tools Night Race" I bet it took them all day to come up with that one.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Shocker!!! I'm a Roush fan. I've said it here more than once already, but you finally got to the bottom of it 👍

I always saw myself as a ethnically diverse Columbo* so of course I'd get to the bottom of it.

And to be honest unless it's TUSC I usually ignore your candor here cause it doesn't add anything other than occasional bias so unlike other areas where I tend to remember what you do, here I couldn't care less. So no I didn't know you were a Roush Fenway fan, I'm sorry for you troubles as a fan of them though


*Let's see how many people get that reference

 

[MustangRyan]

And look has the best Avg finish

In that table, "RAF" is for Running At the Finish of the race. Six drivers have been running at the end of all 23 races. Two of them are RCR cars. Newman has been RAF 22 of 23 races, with Watkins Glen the lone exception.

They weren't fixing that...

 

[cnd01]

I always saw myself as a ethnically diverse Columbo* so of course I'd get to the bottom of it.

*Let's see how many people get that reference

Nice!

And to be honest unless it's TUSC I usually ignore your candor here cause it doesn't add anything other than occasional bias so unlike other areas where I tend to remember what you do, here I couldn't care less.

I'm glad you're the person who determines who adds what to the thread. It must be a tough job

So no I didn't know you were a Roush Fenway fan, I'm sorry for you troubles as a fan of them though

They've been saving it for the chase like all the chase champions have so far and are going to win the championship

 

[Furinkazen]

"Irwin Tools Night Race" I bet it took them all day to come up with that one.

Food City Day Race coming 2015. Guarenteed.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nice!

Thanks!

I'm glad you're the person who determines who adds what to the thread. It must be a tough job

Nah it's quite easy, I mean I'm sure you'd struggle a bit but that's why I have the job though

They've been saving it for the chase like all the chase champions have so far and are going to win the championship

Well I'm sure they have, I mean a fan that clings couldn't possibly be saying this...oh wait

If you want to be serious now, we can do that. I never said who determines what in a thread, what I said is I don't really care for your contribution personally, so as such I don't pay attention to it, if that means missing out on your heart throb team, sorry.

 

[cnd01]

Well I'm sure they have, I mean a fan that clings couldn't possibly be saying this...oh wait

It's not like you're supposed to want the team you cheer for to do well or anything

If you want to be serious now, we can do that. I never said who determines what in a thread, what I said is I don't really care for your contribution personally, so as such I don't pay attention to it, if that means missing out on your heart throb team, sorry.

You sure seem to be quick on the trigger to throw your opinion in there

Back to NASSSSSSCCCCCAAAAAR, that Irwin Tools Night Race will be a good one. I'm curious to see what penalties are handed out when someone gets out of their car when they get taken out

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's not like you're supposed to want the team you cheer for to do well or anything

No but when it comes to an impartial conversation, which usually this is, then the bias you put together out of air for your team and then passed along like some reality is wrong. I'm a fan of certain things but I'm not going to bat for them when they're crap, sure I'm a fan but I'm going to say what is true still.

You sure seem to be quick on the trigger to throw your opinion in there

Back to NASSSSSSCCCCCAAAAAR, that Irwin Tools Night Race will be a good one. I'm curious to see what penalties are handed out when someone gets out of their car when they get taken out

And he sidesteps to live another day, good job 👍

 

[Jahgee]

Let's Play figure out Biffle's new sponsor