2014 NASCAR Thread

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Mudd
Except the lettering behind him shows a sharp corner where the curve of the "D" should be...
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I don't see it. But that vague red shape is starting to look a lot like the rest of the DQ logo
samurai8juice
If you look closely, its red with white (letters) and a very thin orange stripe.

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Maybe.
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I'm seeing it. I'm now fully convinced its DQ which is a shame as I loooovvvveee DQ but I can't stand Biffle
 
Not sure how anyone could get Dairy Queen out of flames (not to mention the fact they've never been involved in sponsoring racing).:confused:
 
They actually sponsored a sprint car and maybe a Champ Car/Indycar back in the day. Plus, their commercial runs every darn day so maybe they are working on a NASCAR program
 
Justin
I'm well aware of the Flamethrower, but chances are if they did sponsor the car it would be a Blizzard scheme as that is their primary product.
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Maybe they would rather spend their marketing dollars on their lesser-known products, in an attempt to gain market share?

PepsiCo putting Diet Mountain Dew and Amp Energy on Dale Jr's car doesn't make any sense.
 
MustangRyan
Maybe they would rather spend their marketing dollars on their lesser-known products, in an attempt to gain market share?
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All their advertising lately has been around the Blizzard and the $5 lunch deal, surely if they were going to start sponsoring a NASCAR team they would run one of those things or they would start Flamethrower commercials again.

All I'm saying is that I'm not seeing where people are getting Dairy Queen from.

AMPMROCKETFANN
They actually sponsored a sprint car and maybe a Champ Car/Indycar back in the day.
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The only thing from recent times that I could find seems to just be sponsorship from franchise owners and not from the corporate level.
 
Justin
I'm well aware of the Flamethrower, but chances are if they did sponsor the car it would be a Blizzard scheme as that is their primary product.
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So aware he ate one today :sly:

Also yeah I'd think it would be more centered around what they're actually known for, the burger this is grasping at straws.
 
RACECAR
The letter font is different though, the points on the logo don't appear on the car.


Wild guess but what about...Hard Rock Café?
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1. They sponsored John Hunter Nemechek back at Dover I believe and it looked nothing like this
2. It would have even more flames or at the very least a crazy design to the point where you could tell it was HRC from a mile away.
3. No giant guitar (think Jr's 03 "E Concert" Busch series car ran at Talladega) anywhere on the car
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
See it I might be able to agree and then research it to see how exactly from another user, but you've been shown to have bias against Toyota because they're not a domestic make before. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't find this bias especially when you say all of Toyota.
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Let's look at this season, shall we? 23 races in and JGR only has 2 wins, Toyota's only wins of the season. MWR has none.

Compare that to 8 wins for Ford, and 13 for Chevy. I would call that struggling for Toyota. Even they admit the are behind in the horsepower department and are working to rectify it:

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20140820f

You can do all the IMO you want, that doesn't mean your opinion can't be argued just to avoid the argument, if you want avoid it don't respond. However, since you are let's take you through the reality of this. RFR only has one winning drive this season with two wins, that is still behind their non winning driver in points who also happens to have more consistency as shown by top tens and fives. In fact his top five count is equal to both the RFR drivers in the point as of now and nearly equal to their combine top ten. The engine is there the overall package and team probably isn't just like RFR it isn't, yet the chassis and engine are good enough that the entire team has the ability to make the chase even if being the weaker group.

They're worse that JGR because of what has been seen so far in the season, that RFR are only fast enough most weekends for top 15 and weekends where they can win it they butcher it. Carl could have won his third race this season hell he was just as fast as some of the faster drivers Friday and then it all came apart on Saturday only to be made worse on Sunday with horrible team decisions and moves on pit road. That's not to say that JGR hasn't had it's issue but the minimize much better than Roush.
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OK, and you stated your opinion that JGR is well ahead of RFR. Clearly we disagree.

Nowhere did I say that RFR was doing better than JGR. I said they were both struggling.

I can agree to some extent, Kurt has been fast but I think he's at times is his worst enemy as Michigan showed us and I think the team has hurt him along with things out side his control. Harvick has had some bad moments here and there and should be higher in the standings but after the halfway point he doesn't seem nearly as strong on average. Either way I agree half the team is fast, the other half Stewart and Patrick (for obvious reasons) isn't nearly as fast. So let's be fair and just use the three good drivers. They are far more inconsistent than Gibbs but still fast and good enough with issues to be better than RFR.

Look I'm sorry but RFR just is nor hasn't been that great, and if they were then why are drivers leaving them, why are sponsors moving on to more prosperous teams. It'd be on thing if I was making this up but I'm not and with results also being for view, that tells even more of the story especially compared to a newer yet much better Ford team.
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I guess I can agree on SHR, especially about Kurt and Kevin. Tony's leg was still a distraction for him this year. Still in pain and having to do therapy. Then of course, the incident with Kevin Ward Jr.

Danica is just Danica.

As for why RFR, I never claimed they were doing great. Making the chase is one thing, being a championship contender is another. Neither JGR or RFR have shown that they have the ability this year to beat Penske or Hendrick for the title once the chase starts.
 
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Saying that RFR is better than JGR just because Ford has 8 wins vs Toyota's 2 wins is like saying that Chip Ganassi Racing is better than RFR only because Chevy has 13 wins vs Ford's 8 wins. Roush Fenway can't take credit for Team Penske's success here just because they have the same blue oval sticker on the hood.



Let's look at the numbers for this year.

Joe Gibbs Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 19
Top 10s: 33
Poles: 5
Laps Led: 805


Roush Fenway Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 9
Top 10s: 21
Poles: 0
Laps Led: 242



JGR appears to have better cars based on these numbers. They have an equal number of wins, but JGR is leading more laps, and recording more high finishes. They are definitely faster off the truck, recording 5 poles to RFR's 0 poles.

Now, I know the first argument is that JGR has more talented drivers overall than RFR. I agree. That's why I think it's even more obvious that Carl should be leaving for JGR. If Carl is being held back by slower cars, and JGR has faster cars, Carl should have more success in a faster car.



Think about this for next year, though. JGR and RFR already had three cars announced for next season. You, as a free agent driver can sign with either team. Your options are:

Team A's 3 drivers:
Starts: 1196
Wins: 84
Top 5s: 350
Top 10s: 580
Poles: 46
1 Sprint Cup Championship (11 top 5 finishes in final Cup points)
1 Nationwide Championship


Team B's 3 drivers:
Starts: 544
Wins: 20
Top 5s: 91
Top 10s: 175
Poles: 13
3 top 5 finishes in final Cup points
3 Nationwide Championships
1 Truck Series Championship

Which team would you sign with? Some weekends, you show up to a track, and your team just can't hit on the right setup. When that happens, teams will frequently borrow the setup from a teammate, to see if they can find more speed. Which set of teammates would you want out there practicing with you, refining their setups, just in case you need to borrow it one weekend?
 
MustangRyan
Saying that RFR is better than JGR just because Ford has 8 wins vs Toyota's 2 wins is like saying that Chip Ganassi Racing is better than RFR only because Chevy has 13 wins vs Ford's 8 wins. Roush Fenway can't take credit for Team Penske's success here just because they have the same blue oval sticker on the hood.
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Yeah, I never said that.

I mentioned manufacturer win totals to show how much Toyota as a whole are off this year compared with Ford and Chevy.

TRD knows it, thus they are working on a new engine package.
 
Adamgp
Yeah, I never said that.

I mentioned manufacturer win totals to show how much Toyota as a whole are off this year compared with Ford and Chevy.

TRD knows it, thus they are working on a new engine package.
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Adamgp
Let's look at this season, shall we? 23 races in and JGR only has 2 wins, Toyota's only wins of the season. MWR has none.

Compare that to 8 wins for Ford, and 13 for Chevy. I would call that struggling for Toyota. Even they admit the are behind in the horsepower department and are working to rectify it.
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You are proving other people's points though. So you are saying Ford's better then Toyota, why is RFR doing worse then? Why do the stats show JGR is better then RFR then? Yeah, the driver skill, but if you are saying Ford is really that good(and RFR is sooooo great), skill shouldn't matter.

MustangRyan
Let's look at the numbers for this year.

Joe Gibbs Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 19
Top 10s: 33
Poles: 5
Laps Led: 805


Roush Fenway Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 9
Top 10s: 21
Poles: 0
Laps Led: 242
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iRevelationz
You said JGR is before Ford. Didn't specify any team. Naturally anyone would assume you're referring to Ford as a whole.
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I never said that. I was comparing manufacturers. Toyota vs. Ford, Chevy.

Not JGR (team) vs. Ford (manufacturer)

MustangRyan
This is the comment that my reply was more aimed toward.



I totally disagree here. Carl is the only redeeming factor keeping RFR above water, and his move to JGR will only make JGR stronger and RFR weaker.
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We will find out next year, won't we? Especially with the new proposed engine/aero packages.

samurai8juice
You are proving other people's points though. So you are saying Ford's better then Toyota, why is RFR doing worse then? Why do the stats show JGR is better then RFR then? Yeah, the driver skill, but if you are saying Ford is really that good(and RFR is sooooo great), skill shouldn't matter.
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How so?

And RFR isn't the only Ford team. Ford teams (and Chevy) as a whole are doing better than Toyota as a whole.
 
Adamgp
RFR is struggling, not Ford.
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Would it be fair to counter that MWR is struggling, not really Toyota as a whole?

Keep in mind that both Truex and Vickers won a race last year in an MWR Toyota, plus Bowyer comfortably made it in on points, even after a 50-point penalty at Richmond. MWR has gone 0-for-23 this year in wins, and Bowyer is currently in on points, but it's a lot closer for him than it was last year.

Yes, JGR hasn't won as many races as they did last year either. But, I think that is more because of how well Penske and Hendrick have run, compared to everyone else. The fact that Penske has 5 wins from a 2-car team speaks volumes about how well their engineering department succeeded in testing with the new no ride height rules package.

Hendrick and Penske are alone at the top tier of current performance and results. SHR gets their equipment from HMS, so lump Harvick, Busch, and Stewart in here, too.

Joe Gibbs is right below them, but closer to the teams above them than the teams below them.

RCR and RFR have had good showings, and are holding on to a Chase spot or two each, but it's because of consistency and a lack of DNFs, not because of outright speed. MWR is somewhere in this same area.

Ganassi is probably under both of those teams, despite having occasionally faster cars, because they have zero consistency. Same goes for RPM and Furniture Row.

Everyone else shows up each week for their share of the purse money.


samurai8juice
Yeah, the driver skill, but if you are saying Ford is really that good(and RFR is sooooo great), skill shouldn't matter.
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Counter-point: Danica Patrick is in a Hendrick-prepped and powered SHR Chevy. This is the same basic car that has 12 wins (Gordon x3, Earnhardt x3, Johnson x3, Harvick x2, Kurt Busch) in the first 23 races, plus powered Jamie McMurray's winning car in the All-Star race.

Danica is currently 28th in points, 98 points behind Germain Racing driver Casey Mears. Tony Stewart has skipped 2 races, and still has 92 more points than Danica, in an identical car.

Great cars help, but skill definitely matters.
 
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Because the internet has perfect memory, let's so back and recap everything Adamgp has said.

Adamgp
Going to JGR seems like a lateral move. I guess Edwards wanted/needed a change, but JGR isn't really doing much better than RFR this year.
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As it's shown below, that's not correct.

MustangRyan
Let's look at the numbers for this year.

Joe Gibbs Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 19
Top 10s: 33
Poles: 5
Laps Led: 805


Roush Fenway Racing (3 drivers):
Wins: 2
Top 5s: 9
Top 10s: 21
Poles: 0
Laps Led: 242
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Adamgp
Currently Biffle is in a position to make the chase on points, if he does, RFR will have 2 of 3 drivers in.
Matt did win 7 last year, but is winless this year. JGR, like RFR, is a bit off this year.
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JGR just can't get wins. Looking at the stats, they have been great, but just can't win. You say Biffle is in a position to make the chase on points but, so can Kenseth, making JGR 3/3 and RFR 2/3 showing that JGR is better.

Adamgp
It's no secret JGR and Toyota's in general are struggling this year. Their engine package is off. Haven't found the balance between power/reliability. :rolleyes: I'm not surprised you missed my point. I guess you didn't notice that was a reply to @Jahgee1124's comment that RFR only had one car in contention, when they currently have two.
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I don't have a problem with that. But I think they are reliable and have power, especially when looking at the stats above. Better then RFR's Fords.

Adamgp
My point was valid. Both RFR and JGR (plus Toyota as a whole) are struggling, albeit in different areas. (Engines for JGR/Toyota, aero/balance for RFR)

Definitely not a "good leap" ahead as you say. RFR not having Stenhouse in the chase doesn't make them any worse than JGR. So yes, RFR to JGR is more of a lateral move, IMO.
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Are you kidding me? It does make them worse. Especially if JGR has better stats, AND if they have 3/3 drivers in the chase.

Adamgp
Let's look at this season, shall we? 23 races in and JGR only has 2 wins, Toyota's only wins of the season. MWR has none.

Compare that to 8 wins for Ford, and 13 for Chevy. I would call that struggling for Toyota. Even they admit the are behind in the horsepower department and are working to rectify it:

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20140820f

OK, and you stated your opinion that JGR is well ahead of RFR. Clearly we disagree.

Nowhere did I say that RFR was doing better than JGR. I said they were both struggling.

I guess I can agree on SHR, especially about Kurt and Kevin. Tony's leg was still a distraction for him this year. Still in pain and having to do therapy. Then of course, the incident with Kevin Ward Jr.

Danica is just Danica.

As for why RFR, I never claimed they were doing great. Making the chase is one thing, being a championship contender is another. Neither JGR or RFR have shown that they have the ability this year to beat Penske or Hendrick for the title once the chase starts.
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JGR is ahead of RFR. They just stole an RFR driver to prove the point even more! JGR has more points! They have Better stats! THEY ARE AHEAD! And, as I recall to the first quote, you said JGR isn't doing much better then RFR, so you did say, RFR and JGR are about the same level. But they aren't, according to the stats above.

I do agree neither of them have shown they can beat Penske or Hendrick. But, a couple lucky breaks can put either teams in a position to do so.

Adamgp
RFR is struggling, not Ford.
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It only took you forever to finally admit it. But, you'll come back to say JGR will struggle just as much as RFR, which isn't true, as shown by the stats above.

Adamgp
I never said that. I was comparing manufacturers. Toyota vs. Ford, Chevy.

Not JGR (team) vs. Ford (manufacturer)

We will find out next year, won't we? Especially with the new proposed engine/aero packages.

And RFR isn't the only Ford team. Ford teams (and Chevy) as a whole are doing better than Toyota as a whole.
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You said RFR and MWR and that threw some people off.

You didn't say doing better, you specifically said struggling(a few quotes above), which is true for MWR, but not at all for JGR, as shown for the stats above, maybe a little off, but not at all 'struggling'.

And that brings us back to now. Sorry for the rant and the long post, but needed to put the final nail in the very large coffin.
 

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