"Daily" Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by GTPNewsWire, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. GR33N

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    Well, that was it, the racing was good (nearly perfect) in the morning when people were still avoiding other cars like in the old penalty system, without the stupid penalties for the slightest touch.

    Tonight, there's no point racing. It's just chaos.

    Bye-bye daily races, welcome back FIA (although I'm worried about that too).

    Thanks PD geniuses!
     
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  2. NevilleNobody

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    I struggle in the NSX, will try again tonight but I have not used it in ages. The Nissan just feels solid, the Toyota is fine of fresh tyres but as they wear i find she squirms more. It's subtle between the two but it is there.
     
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  3. fisheye

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    Should I?
     
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  4. OJBrit

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    Yes it seems better tonight. Had a really good race A. No issues or people being the bumper cars as described above.

    Race C was much the same. Plenty of close racing and not one punt. I did get to penalties for rear end contact despite my best efforts to slow in time. Fair.
    Last lap guy behind goes for a late move into Remus and shoves me wide. I return the favour into turn 4 with a late move and nudge his rear quarter to get past. Neither of us get a penalty but I guess you can return the favour when it suits.

    With the longer pit lane I wish you followed your car rather than watching your pit crew stand there gormless for a few seconds.
     
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  5. Randall_Flagg

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    I hadn't touched GT Sport for about a month before this week but Sardegna C is a favorite of mine. Good quali time for my D level but started 7th in mixed lobby with As thru Ds. After a 3 second penalty on turn 1 that was that. Second try started 3rd in all D lobby. Took inside line to lead after turn 1. After trading places with p2 and back, stayed on top last 3 laps, first win in months! That was before today's update. I'm terrible with Gr. 2 cars and I hate DT Gardens with a passion, but Saregna and road cars seem to be my sweet spot. High risk, high reward week!
     
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  6. ii_Biggles_ii

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    Somehow after just 3 races earlier today I already got the feeling this was going to happen because of the changes, it will turn into the kind of racing you get in the lobbies or maybe it already has. Just off to try a few more now and honestly I'm not expecting them to be clean in the sense that people where trying their best to give each other room so as not to get a penalty as without the worry why would you be too conservative.
     
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  7. bone_tone

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    3 B races this evening, and not one penalty for anybody - have they gone back to the no penalty system they had before?
     
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  8. Redneckchef

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    If anyone is thinking of the NSX for race C, remember there can be cars good for a flying lap but garbage in the race. The Lexus is the best on saving tires, easy braking and actually coasting a touch for some turns really helps this as well. The GTRs are solid on tires, but do tend to burn through them a bit faster. The NSX eats tires for breakfast. It is almost as if that thing has blades under the wheel arches shredding them. Be careful what you run. Outside of really amazing car control guys I am almost always flying past an NSX at the end of a tire stint, even if we are running the same lapped tires.
     
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  9. foolsgold74

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    Absolutely. It's low risk to your SR and has a kind of BTCC support race vibe to it. Just cover the inside line at all times!
     
  10. williams_v_r

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    Pits stop strategies ruined with update
     
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  11. Little_Guppy

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    That is very useful and is the kind of insight I am looking for as the NSX *does* appear to the be fastest in QT.

    So far, I have tried the Lexus and Nissan GTR in race. I cannot determine any meaningful difference - just do not have the feel for it.

    I ran 9 Medium laps on both the Nissan and the Lexus. As I recall the Nissan did look like it has a bit more wear... will need to go back and look at the replays.
     
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  12. RacingGrandpa

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    Only in this race. This might mean less mandatory tire compounds in the future of race C, so you can choose a hard tire and no stop or a medium and one or even a soft and two.
    Also this can be great for FIA
     
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  13. meekrab

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    The last two Race C's in particular, you'd finish the race with roughly a half tank left... just double the multiplier and make it interesting... :cool:
     
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  14. ii_Biggles_ii

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    It's not that simple, I use the NSX and granted it was a challenge to drive at first and I thought I would never be able to turn TC off but it made me a better driver and I only ever use TC on 1 for some of the 1st lap on hard tyres, just done a race where I set the fastest lap on the hards on lap 7, pitted on 8 (Could have done more) and set fastest lap on Mediums on lap 10. I spent far to long in just 2 or 3 cars in the game and it took me a while to learn how to drive cars that I stayed away from because I just couldn't get them out of corners without TC turned on. I know I can do a slightly faster time in the Gt-R as it was my go to car in the past but I know look at the fastest times and see cars I never used in the top 10 and use them and it has made me a better driver.

    On another note the changes to the penalty system let you race but already as I said before I think it's gone to far the other way, I was tapped and spun at turn 2 on RBR by a guy who made no effort to avoid me and he drove off penalty free where I lost 8sec and 6 places in that sector by the time I got it straightened up, race B was no better with people now going for overtakes in places that you just can't overtake cleanly. Maybe I need to get more aggressive?
     
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  15. Redneckchef

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    I am definitely not saying you have to avoid the NSX, but you have to be aware of what you are getting into. There are definitely huge bonuses to learning the different cars as you have to learn new driving styles and techniques to make them work. Always improving as a driver. Glad to see you can handle that NSX. I know it is fast, but I havent managed to control it enough to trust myself around others with it.
     
  16. GOTMAXPOWER

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    You raced me at a bad time, that was the best race I've driven all week :lol:. IIRC there were 4 laps in a row at 1:22.2, the tyres are surprisingly consistent if you try to look after the fronts. I don't like the mediums at the start, the hards seem to have a better balance so once they warm up the pace difference isn't too bad.
     
  17. MidnightRun85

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    Three quick races at DTG this evening, again in the Genesis. The more I drive it, the more I'm enjoying it!

    First race wasn't my best. Started 7th, down to 11th after 3 laps due to some questionable antics by a Ford GT sending me onto the grass, but I fought back on the last two laps and finished 7th.

    Second race, Q13, some hectic racing but kept things clean and ended 11th, but CRB.

    Third race, improved my Q time and got down to Q4. Slipped into 3rd on the first lap and had a sketchy moment on the 3rd lap where I basically ruined the guy in 2nds race when he overbraked the right hander in the chicane and I had a much cleaner inside line but way more speed. I held on and took 2nd place, but apologised to the guy after the race. One of those annoying situations where I couldn't really help it, unfortunately!!

    And that looks to be the end of my racing here for a while. Wife is due to give birth tomorrow (definitely tomorrow, we're two weeks overdue!) so it's been great times guys, but its time for a hiatus from this guy.

    All the best everyone. Enjoy the incoming FIA season and hope to be back before GT7 arrives!!

    :cheers:
     
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  18. jad866

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    It’s official race c is very rammy just did the 5:30 race and it was dive after dive block at all costs I let 2 people go by before turn 2 because I knew what was coming dropping me back to 4th then the two I let buy crashed themselves out. Diving and blocking ended up 2nd in a pretty strong lobby.
     
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  19. OJBrit

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    Congrats, and good luck.
     
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  20. 24HuresdeLoL

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    Do u guys ever have a time when you kind of hit the ceiling of your performance? 3 races at the dragon Trail and I cant get higher than 11th in any them. It sucks cause now I’m in a whole new league of drivers and I cant even compete anymore, just a rolling chicane
     
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  21. NekoPufferPPP

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    Well, Red Bull Ring tends to be like that it seems... Very divebomb-y. If anyone watched the VirtualGP race in F1 2020 last month, you'll know exactly what I mean.

    You can always improve. Where's the spirit? Never give up!



    I just watch the top time's lap, put the ghost on the track and try to copy them. Easy way to improve by a good margin.

    I entered a couple of B races in the R8, ended up fighting for top spots with A+ drivers, even overtook a few. Coming close to being A+ rated myself.

    It feels good to perform well on my "home ground" even if it's fictional. :D All the lap time is in that darn chicane...just gotta go directly over the red sausages with the middle of your car...it's like threading a needle. Frustrating, but satisfying to hit, and brutally punishing if you miss...
     
  22. Little_Guppy

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    Yep.
     
  23. Groundfish

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    I remember before when my goal was to get inside 4 seconds from the number ten on the list. I remember it taking me hours.
    This week it’s inside a second...
    Persistence.
     
  24. Little_Guppy

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    Errr.., did you want more than just "Yep"?

    I feel your pain. It is demoralizing when you rank up after a good week and for the next week hit a new circuit where you are not so good.... your week wasn't going be good anyway and then you just get pummeled down to the lower split by a faster group of racers... and the little thoughts fire in your head... "It sucks... rolling chicane"..., "back where you belong...", "you never deserved to be there anyway...", then rinse and repeat.

    It is the game and the game is not easy. There are a thousand others trying to do the same. You are effectively competing against them.

    The most important thing is that you understand the phenomenon. You did not get worse but you are now in a harder group. Just the opposite is happening as you are getting better. And you will get better by being beaten by better players until you become that better player.

    Do you ever start the beginning of the week and look at the QT times and say to yourself... "There is no way I can do that!" and then after some trial and error you figure it out? The same thing is happening now as you get bounced between the high and lower split. You will get sent back to a lower split, win some more, restore confidence and then you will be a bit better the next time you return the top split. And it will happen soon. And then you will stay in the top split.

    Set a goal(s) for yourself that is above your ability but is achievable.

    Mine are:
    • get in the top split,
    • run in the upper half of each race,
    • run in packs and not wreck,
    • set a QT within 2% of the top (excluding Igor Fraga's time - even the Aliens look at him oddly),
    • race cleanly and maintain a good SR,
    • do it for Group 4/3/2/1/X .
    Getting a top split win or increasing DR rank are *NOT* explicit goals. If I hit most of my goals then a win may fall into my lap and the DR rank will take care of itself.

    And finally, keep it fun!
     
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  25. RacingGrandpa

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    Congratulations! That will be the best race of your life.

    Edit: forgot to share this. Lamborghini is good in B PS_App_20210225_124051.jpeg
     
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  26. Scuba1958

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    I've run four race A's this evening and I have some initial thoughts on the pen system. So far so good. There have been a half dozen times when there has been a little incidental contact. No one went off the track, no one had to significantly alter their line, just a wee bit of rubbin' as two people fight for the same piece of pavement. Nobody got a pen or an SR down. No harm, no foul. I have not seen any particular increase in divebombs, but I guess time will tell.
     
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  27. Norrin Radd

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    Well we have to see what it's like on every track, because do we know they are all longer? But taking this one we went from 1 or 2 stops being fairly close to no where near, it was about 8 sec drop and that went up to 20. This is going to put a premium on stopping less in virtually every case and personally I think that's a bad thing. The pit loss was too low, but 8 to 20 was too much of a change, about 12 would have made it interesting. Now I don't think all tracks will be the same and some did need changing, just think they added too much here.
     
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  28. NoStopN

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    I noticed the same last month when they had Gr. 2 on Seaside. It suited me well as people who started on the RMs would run away at the start & the gap even out a few laps in. Then it became pit stop time. They would switch to the RHs & wouldn’t have that pace anymore. Then you could chew them up & spit them out on your mediums.

    Tip: assume everyone in the room has a lower DR than you. :tup:

    Mmmm, it’s possible. :sly:



    Sounds like it’s time for more practice. One of the best things I ever started doing was trying to improve my qualifying time. It allowed me to learn the track line, limits, & different cars to see which felt the most comfortable & fastest. It’s a good habit to pick up. Just go into the daily race tab & choose that second bubble so you can set a time without being interrupted by a pesky race. :lol:
     
  29. NevilleNobody

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    A predictably dumb effort by pd, first race and all were blue end of race. Everyone gonna be srs in no time.
     
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  30. 05XR8

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    The cream will still rise to the top.
     
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