Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 626 30.5%

  • Maybe.

    Votes: 369 18.0%

  • No way!

    Votes: 1,059 51.6%
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Agreed i wish we all were christians.

Then we would still be running around with sticks and stones, selling our children and sacrificing animals for no good.
 
hampus_dh
Agreed i wish we all were christians.

Then we would still be running around with sticks and stones, selling our children and sacrificing animals for no good.
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Really, and how many Christians today do that?
 
PeterJB
Really, and how many Christians today do that?
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How many would do that without science?

Look at the places around the world where science is virtually non existant.

Sticks and stones. An eye for an eye...
 
hampus_dh
Agreed i wish we all were christians.

Then we would still be running around with sticks and stones, selling our children and sacrificing animals for no good.
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Let's go back to a the scientist whom so many of your scientific evidence is based on.

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
-Albert Einstein

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

Maybe we would be a little more advanced than running around with sticks and stones with the knowledge of such a person, don't you think. Also consider the amount of Jewish Nobel Peace Prize winners.
 
Joey D
And you also must have missed the part where I accept science, I believe evolution has happened, I believe that the Big Bang started the universe and I believe in many other things science has given us. However, I believe there is a point where science can not answer things.
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See, that's where you and I apparently differ. I get to that point of unanswered questions and find it incredibly exciting.

There's a whole heap of stuff we don't know as a species, and a whole heap more I don't know as an individual, but I'd feel uncomfortable filling that gap in my knowledge with a belief in God to explain the unexplained. Once you do, it takes away the excitement for me, and takes away the desire to find a better way of filling that gap.

I have no problem with people believing in a God if it makes them happy, but it often seems like the antithesis of human progress to settle for the easy option.

I love the concept of the unknown, and that someone, somewhere and someday will be able to fill that gap in human knowledge. Who cares if we don't know something right now, or something is unexplained? That's all the more reason to find out.

The joy is in the exploration, going into the wilderness and seeing new things, rather than the easier, more comfortable option of sitting on a big sofa and warming your feet by the fire.
 
hampus_dh
Agreed i wish we all were christians.

Then we would still be running around with sticks and stones, selling our children and sacrificing animals for no good.
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There comes a point in some debates where peoples opinions are deadlocked , everyone keeps going around in circles & there's always going to be someone who looks foolish .

I can see you & a few others are going in this direction , and don't get me wrong , i'm not singling you out . Tankass & PeterJB are heading this way too .

I just can't see what these posts are adding to the debate. :confused:
 
TJC_69
There comes a point in some debates where peoples opinions are deadlocked , everyone keeps going around in circles & there's always going to be someone who looks foolish .

I can see you & a few others are going in this direction , and don't get me wrong , i'm not singling you out . Tankass & PeterJB are heading this way too .

I just can't see what these posts are adding to the debate. :confused:
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It doesn't bother me if somebody is an athiest, that is their decision. What bothers me is those who speak of their belief as if it is fact and then try and us it as an excuse to belittle those with (or without) faith. (And yes I am still going to refer to athiesm as a belief because their is no concrete proof that it is true).

A lot of the athiests in this thread are continuously insistent that their is no God and that Science will eventually solve the mystery of the origins of the universe, and if it does what if the answer is God?

If it turns out their isn't, then fair enough, I will accept that, but if their is, then I just carry on as normal.
 
TJC_69
There comes a point in some debates where peoples opinions are deadlocked , everyone keeps going around in circles & there's always going to be someone who looks foolish .

I can see you & a few others are going in this direction , and don't get me wrong , i'm not singling you out . Tankass & PeterJB are heading this way too .

I just can't see what these posts are adding to the debate. :confused:
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Did you read my last post? My opinion of something is based on what is either moral, or in this case plausible. If you want a reason why I stand steadfast to my belief, I think it is correct. In my opinion creation by a all mighty being is the only possible way our world could have current existence.
The reason why people get so frustrated is because they are providing information that they are sure is correct, yet people dismiss it for what they think invaluable evidence. That applies to both the believers and non believers.
If you find any of my posts to hold no value to the conversation, then please tell me. I want to have a serious sensible debate over this, however futile that task may be, and if I'm not helping at all then I would need people to tell me this so I can improve.
That last two paragraphs apply to all people by the way, regardless of their stance.
 
Religious people thought the earth was flat.
We proved them wrong.

Religious people thought god created the earth.
We proved them wrong.

Religious people thought life started with Adam & Eve or some other story.
We proved them wrong.

Now they think god created the universe.
Why would this be any different to the above?

Just because we dont know something doesn't mean it's a god who created it.

The whole idea of a god is so outlandish to begin with if you start asking questions about the god at hand.

TankAss95
Did you read my last post? My opinion of something is based on what is either moral, or in this case plausible. If you want a reason why I stand steadfast to my belief, I think it is correct. In my opinion creation by a all mighty being is the only possible way our world could have current existence.
The reason why people get so frustrated is because they are providing information that they are sure is correct, yet people dismiss it for what they think invaluable evidence. That applies to both the believers and non believers.
If you find any of my posts to hold no value to the conversation, then please tell me. I want to have a serious sensible debate over this, however futile that task may be, and if I'm not helping at all then I would need people to tell me this so I can improve.
That last two paragraphs apply to all people by the way, regardless of their stance.
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1. How old is the earth?
2. Where are the pillars holding the earth up?
3. Do you believe Dinosaurs is a consoiracy theory?
 
PeterJB
It doesn't bother me if somebody is an athiest, that is their decision. What bothers me is those who speak of their belief as if it is fact and then try and us it as an excuse to belittle those with (or without) faith.
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True , but religious people can be just as guilty of this in my opinion .
A lot of the athiests in this thread are continuously insistent that their is no God and that Science will eventually solve the mystery of the origins of the universe, and if it does what if the answer is God?
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True also , I think I asked this question a page or 2 back...
TankAss95
Did you read my last post?
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Yes I did . I'm checking out your link right now actually . 👍 I am an Athiest , but I want to look at everyones opinion from all angles .

Also , don't get me wrong guys , i'm not devaluing posts or anything . I just don't want to see everyone have a huge argument here or people resort to name calling or anything . 👍
 
hampus_dh
1. How old is the earth?
2. Where are the pillars holding the earth up?
3. Do you believe Dinosaurs is a consoiracy theory?
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1. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
2. Their are no pillars holding it up in a literal sense. It is either metaphorical, as a lot of Bible appears to be, or peoples lack of scientific knowledge at the time lead them to believe this. The former seems more likely to me.
3. I believe that the discovered fossils of extinct creatures are genuine.

And this is coming from a Christian.

TJC_69
True , but religious people can be just as guilty of this in my opinion .
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That is why I said those with or without faith. :)
 
PeterJB
1. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
2. Their are no pillars holding it up in a literal sense. It is either metaphorical, as a lot of Bible appears to be, or peoples lack of scientific knowledge at the time lead them to believe this. The former seems more likely to me.
3. I believe that the discovered fossils of extinct creatures are genuine.

And this is coming from a Christian.
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ok so you take whatever fits from the bible and then rubbish the rest?

Maybe that is because science jave proved tgat the earth is a sphere and tha it is around 4.5 billion years old.

Or do you just interpret tge bible in such a way that it can co-exist?

would love to hear the answers from the otger guy aswell. i bet he has a different view.
 
hampus_dh
Religious people thought the earth was flat.
We proved them wrong.

Religious people thought god created the earth.
We proved them wrong.

Religious people thought life started with Adam & Eve or some other story.
We proved them wrong.

Now they think god created the universe.
Why would this be any different to the above?

Just because we dont know something doesn't mean it's a god who created it.

The whole idea of a god is so outlandish to begin with if you start asking questions about the god at hand.
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The bible has descriptions suggesting both the Earth was flat and sphere-like. It depends how you look at the information. These phrases could have other meanings rather than the physical appearance of earth. So invalid.

You have not proved that God did not create the Earth at all. Invalid.

You have not proved any story in the Bible as being false. Wrong again.

I cannot speak for all people who believe in God, but I have explained that in a recent post which you have not replied.

No it doesn't, but it does not mean that it the whole God belief is false.
 
TankAss95
The bible has descriptions suggesting both the Earth was flat and sphere-like. It depends how you look at the information. These phrases could have other meanings rather than the physical appearance of earth. So invalid.

You have not proved that God did not create the Earth at all. Invalid.

You have not proved any story in the Bible as being false. Wrong again.

I cannot speak for all people who believe in God, but I have explained that in a recent post which you have not replied.

No it doesn't, but it does not mean that it the whole God belief is false.
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"it depends on how you look at the information"

i knew that ome was coming..

Yes we have proven that god did not created the earth.

Physics have proven a number of things in the bible is false.
 
TankAss95
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I think your sight has a biased view , consider the following -
From your link - http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
Albert Einstein
Conclusion.... Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil mustexist in this world...
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From mine - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views
Albert Einstein
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These*[...] interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.
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hampus_dh
"it depends on how you look at the information"

i knew that ome was coming..

Yes we have proven that god did not created the earth.

Physics have proven a number of things in the bible is false.
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You keep saying that science has proven these things yet you give no evidence, and then you go and demand evidence that there is a God from theists. And why cant evolution, big bang, etc. and God co-exist? You keep claiming that there is no God as if it were written in stone and it is 100% true, always was 100% true, and always will be 100% true, yet you yourself has stated that science has not found everything there is out there.
 
TankAss95
Let's go back to a the scientist whom so many of your scientific evidence is based on.

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
-Albert Einstein

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

Maybe we would be a little more advanced than running around with sticks and stones with the knowledge of such a person, don't you think. Also consider the amount of Jewish Nobel Peace Prize winners.
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Please re-read. Oh, and to my knowledge physics have proven nothing in the bible is false. An example would be nice to work with.

hampus_dh
"it depends on how you look at the information"

i knew that ome was coming..

Yes we have proven that god did not created the earth.

Physics have proven a number of things in the bible is false.
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The Bible is written in a specific descriptive manner much different to those commonly used today. If you have a problem with that then that's fine, but you have still not proven the Bible wrong.

Give an example of your proof that God did not create the Earth please.
 
Science and scientific knowledge isn't a product of atheism. In fact, I'll bet with a certainty of a win that the evolution of science in the last 5000 years happened MOSTLY by the intellectual work of believers in the existence of God.



I do believe in God, and for the record I am Christian and, among Christians, Catholic. But this thread isn't about Jesus Christ and christians, or about Jews and Judaism (although many try it to be so). This is about this fundamental question:

IS THERE A GOD?

About the existence of God (and believing God exists) I already wrote in this thread WHY I do believe in God. I've got nothing to add and I'm sorry if my reasoning sounds weak to you guys. The fact is ... I'm not trying to convert anyone. That's being a poor christian I know, but I really don't care much about others beliefs, as long as they act the same way towards me.

Here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5653661#post5653661

Now, what can I say more. I found very interesting that Judaism defends that Christ ISN'T from the house of David. Again, I couldn't care less about such an issue, my belief is the house of David is irrelevant, it's the house of God that matters. But, from a purely intellectual point of view, I found it very curious that this "family-blood legitimacy" of Christ is still an issue in the jewish faith. We learn something everyday. Curiously, more from other believers (even if from a different religion) than from atheists.
 
hampus_dh
ok so you take whatever fits from the bible and then rubbish the rest?

Maybe that is because science jave proved tgat the earth is a sphere and tha it is around 4.5 billion years old.

Or do you just interpret tge bible in such a way that it can co-exist?

would love to hear the answers from the otger guy aswell. i bet he has a different view.
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I don't believe it is the place of religion to engage in scientific research and discovery, it is their for spiritual and moral guidance. Science is there to enable us to learn about the world around us.

For example, I don't believe that the world was created in a week and that all life appeared at the same time. Their may have been an Adam and an Eve, but they weren't the first humans. At this time people wouldn't have known about dinosaurs, or the properties of the universe, or even the laws of physics, but they would have believed that it was all created by God. It is written in such a way that Christians can understand it's meaning, without taking it literally, unless they're a fundamentalist of course.

I believe that people like Moses, Jesus and even Muhammad existed. But what one must remember is that the Bible was written over the course of hundreds of years, not all at once. I believe that in the past God summoned prophets like Jesus and Allah to preach his word and then give people the free will have to faith or not. I simply prefer Christianity to Islam because I find some of the morals of Islam that are still in common practice to be questionable, and my knowledge of other religions is fairly poor.

You won't hear things about String Theory or General Relativity or whatever in the Bible or any Holy Book, partly because nobody would have had the faintest idea of what those were at the time, and because it wasn't necessary for God to explain that stuff to the people. Religion gives you guidance for living your life. People like Albert Einstein use the gift of free will to investigate and discover information about the world and universe around us, which I believe God has created.
 
Hun200kmh
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I'm really not grasping that concept & how you got that assertion other than building onto each premise a larger stage from the last . For example - ( & No offence by the way . )

I like teapots

Therefore I am a teapot

Therefore there must be more teapots than me

Therefore my God is a large teapot

It's all a bit ..... well..... too easy isn't it?
 
None taken. :) the fact is that my reasoning isn't scientific, because it is based on my belief. The first of them "I believe in a spiritual me".

This is a bit like a discussion between Love and Sex. And of course some people say Love is only a fairytale, and only Sex is real.
 
TJC_69
I think your sight has a biased view , consider the following -
From your link - http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

From mine - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_religious_views
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My link was based on Christianity but it was a quick google search. I knew Albert Einstein had connections with Judaism, but I never until now read that he accepts that Jesus existed:

"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."7

Even if Einstein was not Christian or Jewish the fact that he supports the existence of Jesus is crucial, as Jesus is described as the son of God in the bible.
 
Hun200kmh
None taken. :) the fact is that my reasoning isn't scientific, because it is based on my belief. The first of them "I believe in a spiritual me".

This is a bit like a discussion between Love and Sex. And of course some people say Love is only a fairytale, and only Sex is real.
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I see your point there . From my view , I would like to believe , and indeed see for myself some evidence for my own " Spirit " . I understand how people do believe & want to believe in their ideas of a spirit , but for me personally I would need to be convinced by evidence of it . Maybe that's possible , maybe it's not . I really don't know .

You could rationalise love as a sustained chemical reaction I guess , but indeed love is a very complicated subject altogether . But yes , the physicalitys of sex are real , & are obviously awesome . :)👍
 
TankAss95
My link was based on Christianity but it was a quick google search. I knew Albert Einstein had connections with Judaism, but I never until now read that he accepts that Jesus existed:

"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."7

Even if Einstein was not Christian or Jewish the fact that he supports the existence of Jesus is crucial, as Jesus is described as the son of God in the bible.
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He's either contradicting himself then , or his quotes are being twisted somewhere then maybe?

TankAss95
I ask the accuracy of carbon dating.
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How do these numbers sound ?
The 2004 version of the calibration curve extends back quite accurately to 26,000 years BP. Any errors in the calibration curve do not contribute more than ±16 years to the measurement error during the historic and late prehistoric periods (0–6,000 yrs BP) and no more than ±163 years over the entire 26,000 years of the curve, although its shape can reduce the accuracy as mentioned above.[18]In late 2009, the journal Radiocarbon announced agreement on the INTCAL09 standard, which extends a more accurate calibration curve to 50,000 years.[19][20
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- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

How does + or - 16 years grab you ?

Let's not confuse it's validity with any Christian sites though , & how they try & twist facts round with false prophecies regarding scientific methods . Like this one - http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible
Which tries to skew science around to their advantage & make far fetched claims like this -
Conclusion... When the assumptions were evaluated and shown faulty, the results supported the biblical account of a global Flood and young earth. Christians should not be afraid of radiometric dating methods. Carbon-14 dating is really the friend of Christians, and it supports a young earth.
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E.g. - Noah had a flood + Science lies = Prophet . ( LooL )
 
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