Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 626 30.5%
  • Maybe.

    Votes: 369 18.0%
  • No way!

    Votes: 1,059 51.6%

  • Total voters
    2,053
That is a possibility.

And that sounds accurate. I only ask because I have no knowledge of carbon dating.

I'm not a scientist or anything , but if one of the scientist mods would like to confirm or deny anything I found there then they are welcome to do so . 👍

Me neither like I say . :)
 
(And yes I am still going to refer to athiesm as a belief because their is no concrete proof that it is true).

Then you're going to remain wrong.

For about the hundredth time, atheism isn't the belief that God doesn't exist, it's the lack of belief in God. There is no active disbelief in something, there's just no belief.

It's entirely possible to be an atheist and not have a clue about scientific theory, too. The two are independent concepts and one doesn't automatically mean the other.
 
Then you're going to remain wrong.

For about the hundredth time, atheism isn't the belief that God doesn't exist, it's the lack of belief in God. There is no active disbelief in something, there's just no belief.

It's entirely possible to be an atheist and not have a clue about scientific theory, too. The two are independent concepts and one doesn't automatically mean the other.

+1 👍 I don't see how some people cannot grasp that ......

And Mr . Bean at the Indian Grand Prix deserves another . :)

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+ 1 👍

But the poll results from that story shows that readers weren't overly convinced though - ( Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God . Is he right ? Yes / No . )

37.5%Yes. I believe in gravity, not divinity

62.5%No. God: Hawking 'not necessary'

I don´t know if i should laugh or cry :)
 
Here's an interesting link though , from the same site -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/21/free-schools-creationism-department-education

"Creationism will be embodied as a belief at Everyday Champions Academy, but will not be taught in the sciences," said its leader Gareth Morgan. "Similarly, evolution will be taught as a theory. We believe children should have a broad knowledge of all theories in order that they can make informed choice."

Sounds a little like they're sitting on the fence to me ..... But this is the U.K after all . And yes , i'm from the U.K too . 👍

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I don´t know if i should laugh or cry ...
Sorry about that . Just thought I would mention it to give another perspective to the story . If Hawkings work is successful & stands up to strict testing however , then the implications could be sizeable . 👍
 
Here's an interesting link though , from the same site -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/mar/21/free-schools-creationism-department-education



Sounds a little like they're sitting on the fence to me ..... But this is the U.K after all . And yes , i'm from the U.K too . 👍

The part that´s really crazy is that you have to learn the biggest religions in school but a fraction of your time in school you learn about space.

Thank GOD i slept through religion and paid attention to what´s important.
 
The part that´s really crazy is that you have to learn the biggest religions in school but a fraction of your time in school you learn about space.

Thank GOD i slept through religion and paid attention to what´s important.


You got to be joking. You will never understand mankind's history without studying the religions that for good or bad (I'm not arguing God now, in fact I'm being very scientific now) were very important in shaping it.

Might as well stop studying the Roman Empire if you think space is a more important subject than the earth you live on, the people that live on it and the people that LIVED on it too.

Knowing mankind has nothing to do with believing in God. Be an atheist, but keep it real.
 
What? They still teach creationism in the UK?

Not really, that quote was from a Church looking to open a school. You get taught it in primary school a little bit in religious education and then in secondary school you get taught mainly about the other religions in religious education.
 
I don't recall being taught it, but then I don't recall being taught evolution either.

Same here actually .....

The story is actually talking about this -
Free schools can be set up by charities, universities, businesses, educational groups, teachers and groups of parents. They will have more freedom over the contents of their curriculum, leading to fears that science teaching in the schools may not be as rigorous. Teachers working at free schools will also not need to have formal teaching qualifications.

Not your everyday " Usual " schooling system . 👍
 
I don't recall being taught it, but then I don't recall being taught evolution either.

It's a bit of a mix.

If we're taught creationism in the UK it's only as a byproduct of general religious studies, and then even that depends on the school you go to.

I went to a Catholic school, so I had at least a basic understanding of the book of Genesis, though I don't think we were ever taught it specifically as "fact". At the same time in your first few years at school you were never taught anything too scientific either, so it's feasible that many kids grow up assuming the Genesis explanation was the correct one.

I very vaguely remember learning about the big bang as a kid, though I can't remember how much of that was at school. We've always had books laying around the house so I've always been a fairly independent learner as well as studying at school.

Not really, that quote was from a Church looking to open a school. You get taught it in primary school a little bit in religious education and then in secondary school you get taught mainly about the other religions in religious education.

That, and stuff like moral issues. I'll admit that despite having been atheist from a relatively young age (I've never really believed in God since I can remember), I quite enjoyed religion lessons in secondary school, if only because they were generally pretty open for debate if you had the right teacher. General human moral and ethical issues tend to be lumped in with religion lessons and they're great exam wise because you can hold pretty much any point of view you like as long as you explain it.

Religion exams are incredibly easy to pass with high marks if you're good at making up opinions.
 
It's a bit of a mix.

If we're taught creationism in the UK it's only as a byproduct of general religious studies, and then even that depends on the school you go to.

I went to a Catholic school, so I had at least a basic understanding of the book of Genesis, though I don't think we were ever taught it specifically as "fact". At the same time in your first few years at school you were never taught anything too scientific either, so it's feasible that many kids grow up assuming the Genesis explanation was the correct one.

I very vaguely remember learning about the big bang as a kid, though I can't remember how much of that was at school. We've always had books laying around the house so I've always been a fairly independent learner as well as studying at school.

During my R.E. Years I remember studying mostly Christianity and Islam. Virtually nothing on Judaism, Hindiusm or Buddhism. Most of Years 1- and 11 were spent doing Islam whilst looking at the ethics of euthanasia and abortion, though I think that was more PSHE based. I found R.E. very boring but just about scraped a C from it.

Up until about Year 10 the only real science I was taught was basic Newtonian mechanics, but I'm now dwelling in particle physics and astrophysics. :D
 
You got to be joking. You will never understand mankind's history without studying the religions that for good or bad (I'm not arguing God now, in fact I'm being very scientific now) were very important in shaping it.

Might as well stop studying the Roman Empire if you think space is a more important subject than the earth you live on, the people that live on it and the people that LIVED on it too.

Knowing mankind has nothing to do with believing in God. Be an atheist, but keep it real.

Religion was important back in the days for survival. Today it´s a bit different.

And yes, i feel space is a slightly more important subject then the people on our planet no matter what they did.

History is history, i live today so anything from this point right now and forward is what i keep my focus on.
 
I don't recall being taught it, but then I don't recall being taught evolution either.

Sorry but I can't believe that in school people don't learn about the formation of the Earth, about the first life forms, about the pre-historic eras, fossils, dinosaurs, mammals, pre-human primates, etc. ... forget evolution, how can you teach an innocent subject like geology?


disclaimer: As alreadey stated I'm Catholic, live in a mostly catholic country (no surprises there), had many catholic teachers, know many catholic priests and NEVER, and I mean NEVER heard that the Book of Genesis was to be taken as fact. Quite the opposite I would say. And all those teachers and priests remain being teachers and priests LOL
 
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What? They still teach creationism in the UK?

That's pathetic. Science is science, religion is religion. Science is educational and taught in schools, religion is taught in a church (or place of worship). Leave religion out of schools. As one should not be forced to learn about how some people believe in a supernatural being who has no proof of existence, while many scientific theories have been confirmed and do actually exist.
 
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History is history, i live today so anything from this point right now and forward is what i keep my focus on.


Answering Tic Tach (or is it Tich Tac) style:

"Do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for often it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know." - J.R.R. Tolkien


:D
 
That's pathetic. Science is science, religion is religion. Science is educational and taught in schools, religion is taught in a church (or place of worship). Leave religion out of schools. As one should not be forced to learn about some supernatural being who has no proof of existence, while many scientific theories have been confirmed and do actually exist.

Different religions aren't preached to you at school, you're just told the characteristics of them from an unbiased stance. For example, an R.E. teacher wouldn't say "Jesus is the Son of God", they would say "Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God".
 
Different religions aren't preached to you at school, you're just told the characteristics of them from an unbiased stance. For example, an R.E. wouldn't say "Jesus is the Son of God", they would say "Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God".

Understood and my post has been edited to reflect this. :)
 
That's pathetic. Science is science, religion is religion. Science is educational and taught in schools, religion is taught in a church (or place of worship). Leave religion out of schools. As one should not be forced to learn about how some people believe supernatural being who has no proof of existence, while many scientific theories have been confirmed and do actually exist.

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Love these guys,

Professor Ellen van Wolde, a respected Old Testament scholar and author, claims the first sentence of Genesis "in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" is not a true translation of the Hebrew.
She claims she has carried out fresh textual analysis that suggests the writers of the great book never intended to suggest that God created the world -- and in fact the Earth was already there when he created humans and animals.
Prof Van Wolde, 54, who will present a thesis on the subject at Radboud University in The Netherlands where she studies, said she had re-analysed the original Hebrew text and placed it in the context of the Bible as a whole, and in the context of other creation stories from ancient Mesopotamia.
She said she eventually concluded the Hebrew verb "bara", which is used in the first sentence of the book of Genesis, does not mean "to create" but to "spatially separate".
The first sentence should now read "in the beginning God separated the Heaven and the Earth"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6274502/God-is-not-the-Creator-claims-academic.html
 
I don't know if there is a new movement of some sort in regards to removing, forbidding, or erasing religion from society but to me it all appears simply as communism wearing a new dress.

This has to be one of the most painfully stunted posts I've seen here yet. A new movement?!?! No, but there is a call to reason, saying "enough is enough" to the religious around the world who force their religious views into politics and other people's lives. You used the word "forbidding", and this is the most jaw-dropping statement, considering that there is no forbidding going on at all, merely dialogue, conversation and debate. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying this, but do maintain that god-belief is an infantile place to park the mind, and so it is no surprise that this sort of reaction you've displayed parallels a child who has his lollypop or security blanket taken away. It may indeed be comforting holding the belief that there's some sort of father figure in the sky who's looking after you, but at some point in life we all need to grow up and abandon such impoverished ideas.



I see this essentially as a political fight more then a discussion of the existence of god.

Wha? Hello kettle, this is the pot, you're black. It is the religious who have wormed their way into politics, and I fail to see how all of the various comments by people on this thread from all over the world is "politics", except for the hope where it helps remove religion from politics, as it rightfully should.



In my opinion all these 'modern' assertions that science is gaining so much ground that anyone who considers a higher power or creator or any other meta-physical entity or belief should be labeled insane or a lunatic is completely unwarranted and unwanted by a vast majority of the United States.

Whassat? "should be labeled insane or a lunatic"??? Where do you get this nonsense from? And what is the point of referring to the US? It should be expected that the vast majority of the US claims "offence" when their god beliefs are challenged, simply because the mojority of them have god belief. What do you expect? Many of it's population lack a decent education and are shockingly ignorant of anything outside of it's borders. So what's your point? It's like saying: "The vast majority of Iran feels that debunking Islam is unwarranted and unwanted."

There's a reason there are books published like this, and this. It's because some people care about our future.








To infer that a believer of god should be dismissed and not allowed participation in maters of importance to the society should be insulting to everyone.

OMG. The irony. Just look at how the opposite is true in the US. One could not get elected without proclaiming belief in god - and it must be the Abrahamic god too - you know, the one who favours the US.

Check this out. I cried watching this.







If science leads to enough fact to make the idea of god ridiculous or unappealing to the populous, then the society will simply stop believing on their own.

When you consider that it is the indoctrination of the unformed minds of children that keeps religous obserdities alive, it doesn't get dropped that easily. And when you consider the enormous investment level that one has in their beliefs, the social/family/friend pressure is just too great for most. Add to that the enormous sense of belonging and community that one gets from church life, this too is too cherished for most to have threatened. There are though many now who are waking up from the stupor of false beliefs and abandoning them in favour of a rational, naturalistic world view. I know I did, and looking back, it appears like I was living in a dreamland. Twas comforting, just not true, and I care more about what's true.





There is no need for persecution or ridicule as it most certainly does more harm then good to the whole.

Persecution?!?!? Give me a break. You've obviously been coddled in the craddle of comfy modern day life for so long, you have no idea what persecution is. The debunking of false beliefs by text or conversation is not persecution, it is an overdue call to reason.

Please watch.








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Yea he is killing it :)

Found some nice things about the swedish church here in Sweden.

According to a study in 2010, 70% of the swedish citizens are members of the Swedish church.
The main reason to that is that all people who are born in sweden pay tax to the church, some don´t even know they are doing it. I cancelled that as soon as i found out.

But to the points,

Here´s the real numbers of the believers or "true" members.

Less than 4% of the Church of Sweden membership attends public worship during an average week; about 2% are regular attendees.

Members of the Church of Sweden,

1970 - 95%
2000 - 83%
2010 - 70%

Looks like we are looking good schedule wise. It will probably accelerate down as more and more gets known through science.
 
Mmmm, I dunno. I agree with his points but his arguments are as aggressive as Hitchens' without as much class. It is possible Tich Tach for you to attack an argument fully and decisively without attacking the person making it. That quip about being cradled by modern society was totally unnecessary, and if anything detracted from your point rather than added to it.

You're talking to people here, people who have brains and are capable of rational thought. Talking to people as if that wasn't true gives them even less reason to want to listen to you.
 
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It is possible Tich Tach for you to attack an argument fully and decisively without attacking the person making it.

In my experience: not in the slightest. Tic Tach can't differentiate between the person and the argument and seems gleeful in attacking both.

That quip about being cradled by modern society was totally unnecessary, and if anything detracted from your point rather than added to it.

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I have been watching a pretty lame Documentary series called Ancient Aliens. If they would have you believe, God/s were/are infact Aliens who put humanity on the right path.

TBH I believe the Alien theory more than the current God theory! lol

Honestly, I respect peoples beliefs but If I was to be even more honest, those that believe in relegion how it is currently sold, really IMO should re consider there views.

None the less though, each to his/her own as long as it does not impact on anyone else.
 
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