CodeRedR51
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well it does depend on whether or not you believe the Bible is fact or not
It's not. Pretty sure we've been over this....many times.
well it does depend on whether or not you believe the Bible is fact or not
1) yes!
2) masses are sometimes televised but not strictly for evangelization (I think, I might be wrong)
well it does depend on whether or not you believe the Bible is fact or not
The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs. These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
Daniel Sanford of New Jersey journeyed to Betania, Venezuela from 11/12/98 til 11/15/98 on a pilgrimage with an organized Prayer Group from Medford Lakes, NJ. On 11/13/98, as part of the pilgrimage, they went to see the Bleeding Host of Betania at the Chapel of the Augustinian Nuns in Los Teques. Our Spiritual Director, Father Mazzarella, said Daily Mass. When we finished, he opened the Tabernacle door, which contained the Bleeding Host. The Host was in flames, bleeding, and there was a pulsating heart bleeding in the center of the Host. The Group watched this for about 30 seconds or so, then the Host returned to normal.
HOWEVER, Daniel did manage to film this miracle with his camcorder!
To address some valid points you have made.
1)...Why the sureness that science one day will discover how the universe came into existence from nothing?...
...We have no reason to in my opinion...
...I know my gap filler to you is "God did it" but why bring that up when it applies to you or any other Atheist as well if you refer to science one day figuring it out?...
...It seems you rest assured that such a process could take place but with the lack of any evidence available you must admit that conclusion is not one you can hang your hat on...
...The proposed idea in the previous link you sent me on something of this sort seemed like an escape route in all honesty. Just a failed attempt to get away from being bound by the current limitations we have for the universe we live in and the only one we know of. Do you think that we are on a infinite time line? If that's the case I would like to hear what brought you to that considering all the problems that idea brings...
2)...Not so fast. With the belief in a supreme eternal omnipotent being you get a few perksThe understanding that miracles could take place (breaking of the natural law) to name one and the get out card that he would not need to be limited to laws and rules he created for us to live under unless he so chose to limit himself but that itself is debatable in the Christian circle. Remember that a transcendent being isn't out in space somewhere fiddling his thumbs bound by these things but removed from such limitations...
3)...Also please put in laymen terms your understanding of Darwin's quote that you insinuated I purposely distorted. I don't see how the mention of Darwin questioning such things being worth ridicule.
Why this uhm...."fetish" for thinking that if you don't believe the universe came from (a) god you must think it came from nothing? Many religious people seem to think like that.
Is god or nothing the only two options to you?
Why this uhm...."fetish" for thinking that if you don't believe the universe came from (a) god you must think it came from nothing? Many religious people seem to think like that.
Is god or nothing the only two options to you?
Why the sureness that science one day will discover how the universe came into existence from nothing?
Two, that science will one day definitely find out how the universe came to be. Not knowing something for certain isn't adequate reasoning for scientists to simply give up searching. The journey is as important as the destination, even if our destination is a big sign saying "err, we're not quite sure just yet".
but we don't need science to find out where the universe came from because we already know
You believe that you know. Belief is not evidence of reality - and if we stuck with what we believe based on reading a much-translated, politically-anthologised collection of works of dubious origin, we'd have no actual knowledge of the universe at all.but we don't need science to find out where the universe came from because we already know
Two, that science will one day definitely find out how the universe came to be. Not knowing something for certain isn't adequate reasoning for scientists to simply give up searching. The journey is as important as the destination, even if our destination is a big sign saying "err, we're not quite sure just yet".
You believe that you know. Belief is not evidence of reality.
ADo I believe in the Big Bang theory, or similar such "creation of the known" theories? Yes, sort of.
Dude, unless you can post something constructive and with PROOF, just quit posting.
but we don't need science to find out where the universe came from because we already know
I don't think we can ever find out how the universe came to be.
look at the link I posted yesterday. Is that proof that God is real?
No. You've not yet posted anything even remotely close to proving God is real.
Kingland093but we don't need science to find out where the universe came from because we already know
how is that link not even close? explain how a piece of bread can start gushing human blood and light itself on fire
and what about all of the healing miracles at places like Lourdes? Explain that!
It doesn't constitute proof of anything, much less a deity.how is that link not even close?
In order:explain how a piece of bread can start gushing human blood and light itself on fire
and what about all of the healing miracles at places like Lourdes? Explain that!
Whether we can or we can't, the point is that we do what we can to find out. As has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread, the answer "we don't yet know" is not (and should not be) interchangeable with "it must be God, then".
We can't be sure we don't know for sure unless we look. Suggesting "we'll never know" isn't an attitude that advances civilisation.
look at the link I posted yesterday. Is that proof that God is real?
The right answer when we reach it is more important than any answer right now.
And bread that goes on fire, gushing of human blood? No offense, but do you think people in movies actually shoot the other actors, and cause them to bleed?Tomato ketchup man!
And to burn stuff isn't hard... Enough flammable substances around...
the blood was proven to be real human blood and the bread was in a tabernacle (usually made out of metal) when it was found to be on fire
Does the answer to "how everything came into existence in the very beginning" advance our civilisation further? Is it really important?
Now, science should concentrate on things that are close to being proven either true or false like the Supersymmetry theories and recently discovered things like Higgs' boson
There are a lot of things that need be researched on before we can even imagine starting to solve how everything came into existence. If it even is important.