FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Winnie847]

@praiano63 I didn’t mean to say that you were actually crying about it. It’s just a figure of speech. In this case, cries = requests. No offense intended.

There are good reasons in my opinion to keep tuning prohibited, all listed above. Personally, I used to like tuning, but mostly what I did was copy tunes from people like you who have the time that I don’t have, then modify them slightly. I would rather know that I won because of my driving skill and not because of a tune that another guy doesn’t have access to or doesn’t know about. And honestly any time spent thinking about tuning or even copying tunes, I would rather spend racing and learning how to deal with the characteristics of each car. Sure, tuning is allowed in real racing, but should we really start listing all the ways this GAME is unlike actual racing?

 

[praiano63]

In this case, cries = requests.

I didn't take this as any ofense no worries but i still could understand by this that your point of view is more valid than mine , at least it is what it seemed reading your expression.

I would rather know that I won because of my driving skill and not because of a tune that another guy doesn’t have access to or doesn’t know about.

Driving skills in my opinion doesn't include mastering a bad generic LSD setting for example. The right numbers let you free to focuse on yours driving skills only.

And honestly any time spent thinking about tuning or even copying tunes

It take 2 seconds to set a new LSD setting or 1 minute for a full tune, most of GT players spend much more than this to customize their car in the livery editor section.

I would rather spend racing and learning how to deal with the characteristics of each car.

Tuning setting parameters don't change the characteristics of each car. It only reveal the best side if the tune is good and allow to feel much more driving pleasure. I'm not speaking of extreme unstable alien settings.

should we really start listing all the ways this GAME is unlike actual racing?

Because of this should we increase one more limit to this game ? Just because there are already there ?
I don't think so. We have a good game with decents physics and a very few simples settings options to have more fun on track .
This is what i think about all this.
Have a good night.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I would not have a clue where to start with tuning cars. At the moment I spend 30 mins practising for a FIA race, and then invariably I end up in the lower 10 anyway. All I could do with tuning would be to get one online and use it. I would have no idea how I should adjust spring rates, damper rates, LSD, tyre pressure, gearing, etc. I don't even know what to do with brake balance tbh.

I would imagine that a lot of people are the same as me, so would having tuning on simply not cause a lot of the more casual gamers like me to give up?
Saying that I do think a tuner cup would be a good idea for the proper sim racers.

On another note, I was thinking the Supra or Beetle for the Nations on Wednesday. Both are reasonably agile but don't have the MR rear tyre wear issue. Does that make sense?

 

[Kano Manel]

Absolute madness in Dragon Trail

My Fia race was meant to be nice, I qualified first... 🤬🤬🤬
Something was wrong, I mean... me... qualifying first, the game for some reason gave me second place... again 🤬 (I was in the pole position)
The race starts and then I realized my pace was way superior. And after 2 corners in race I realized I was in the soft tyre
How do I know this? Because I had a total and absolute glued-like grip that was surreal. I actually kicked the leader out of race in Dragon Trail accidentally, because I was so much faster. I literally stopped in the middle of the chicane to let him rejoin the race when the rest of the pack joined us and I went straight to last place.

Normally that is the end of the race, but then I started to overtake people like when you play in arcade, it was absolutely surreal, I'm not that good, I'm not that fast, no way. I recovered my position! I went to second place again, but because I picked up 30 secs in penalties (not really know how) I finished 7.

I picked up points, but it was a full D lobby. It was fun, ok, but I was bugged, I'm sure of it.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Absolute madness in Dragon Trail

My Fia race was meant to be nice, I qualified first... 🤬🤬🤬
Something was wrong, I mean... me... qualifying first, the game for some reason gave me second place... again 🤬 (I was in the pole position)
The race starts and then I realized my pace was way superior. And after 2 corners in race I realized I was in the soft tyre
How do I know this? Because I had a total and absolute glued-like grip that was surreal. I actually kicked the leader out of race in Dragon Trail accidentally, because I was so much faster. I literally stopped in the middle of the chicane to let him rejoin the race when the rest of the pack joined us and I went straight to last place.

Normally that is the end of the race, but then I started to overtake people like when you play in arcade, it was absolutely surreal, I'm not that good, I'm not that fast, no way. I recovered my position! I went to second place again, but because I picked up 30 secs in penalties (not really know how) I finished 7.

I picked up points, but it was a full D lobby. It was fun, ok, but I was bugged, I'm sure of it.

Did the HUD say RS?

 

[Kano Manel]

Did the HUD say RS?

No, it didn't. That's strange, I know. Is not the first time I experience different levels of grip, but never like this. It was like playing arcade with all down force down and soft tires. It was fun though... maybe a little help to the Nissans?

 

[Tidgney]

Is this really true? I don't have much experience with sims other than GT6/GTS so I'm open to thoughts, but if the tuning in GTS is akin to a puzzle without rhyme or reason than what purpose does it serve?

Knowledge about setting up a car is incredibly important IRL, why would PD purposely, or carelessly, not honor this in their flagship esport title?

In real life you have engineers, a team behind you and everything in between. I'm racing after work maybe for an average of an hour a night? Some nights 0, cup night is 2/3?, other people will have other commitments like family etc. If a game suddenly starts feeling like a job or over daunting your going to lose the player base (I certainly would stop playing, as I imagine others would do, as @Matty28 did for the Mclaren event). Every person I've raced in tournaments and asked (Don't get me wrong there will be some that want tuning) have all said they prefer default because it's less time investment and an even playing field. In the end yes simracing should be close to real life but it also needs some differences, some parts of racing IRL has it's own weaknesses.

As I say I spent 5 hours on brakes, for it to be abused (It was literally abused in the setup they gave me) in the setup they did, they got 100% hybrid power constantly, no locking brakes and can stop just as quick. I'm definitely not up for racing (It's why I don't join many leagues) with tuning, don't have the time to invest into practice + tuning.

 

[mthomas_95]

In the end yes simracing should be close to real life but it also needs some differences, some parts of racing IRL has it's own weaknesses.

Exactly this.

Reminds me of a post in the Daily thread complaining about the Gr1 race at Nordschleife because it wouldn't happen irl on safety grounds and therefore shouldn't have been available for us to race on. Surely that's the great thing about sim racing, we don't have those real world constraints to worry about. Racing an LMP1 car at Nordschleife is not going to literally kill me sitting on the end of my bed with a DS4

I spend enough time at work staring at a screen of numbers and changing some of them about. Don't fancy doing that for another few hours in the evening, when I want to be racing wheel to wheel (because hey, it's a racing game!)

 

[Ofuscor]

I remember back in gt5 when time trial had tunning. I could tune the car a bit to be faster but then a friend gave me his tune, I was immediately 1 second faster. It was depressing knowing all the time trials before I was missing that much speed from tunning alone.

 

[Kano Manel]

don't have the time to invest into practice + tuning.

I agree with all this, but if at least they left the option to ease the diferential in Gr.3. It is too tight, and that is why they kick at second/third gear and make you spin badly (or just change them all to 13, that would be enough)

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Saying making a tune takes 1 minute, or adjusting a diff takes 30 seconds is a bit like saying “I can do calculus in my head” or being able to do word searches or crosswords just by looking at them for a few seconds. It doesn’t mean the majority of people will ever be able to do this. Plus, in real life it’s more than a string of numbers on a screen, physical feel is involved.

Diff settings and especially gearing are the most nonsensical part of tuning to me, and I could spend 24 hours looking at those numbers and none of it would ever make a lick of sense to me. Brake bias, downforce, and antiroll bars are literally the only aspects of tuning I understand. Things that you can do when one end of the car isn’t doing what you want it to.

Really though, PD could simplify diff settings to a series of numbers you could adjust on the fly during the race like brake bias and torque split, if they really wanted to

 

[dabz343]

In real life you have engineers, a team behind you and everything in between. I'm racing after work maybe for an average of an hour a night? Some nights 0, cup night is 2/3?, other people will have other commitments like family etc. If a game suddenly starts feeling like a job or over daunting your going to lose the player base (I certainly would stop playing, as I imagine others would do, as @Matty28 did for the Mclaren event). Every person I've raced in tournaments and asked (Don't get me wrong there will be some that want tuning) have all said they prefer default because it's less time investment and an even playing field. In the end yes simracing should be close to real life but it also needs some differences, some parts of racing IRL has it's own weaknesses.

As I say I spent 5 hours on brakes, for it to be abused (It was literally abused in the setup they gave me) in the setup they did, they got 100% hybrid power constantly, no locking brakes and can stop just as quick. I'm definitely not up for racing (It's why I don't join many leagues) with tuning, don't have the time to invest into practice + tuning.

I agree with you about time limitations and challenges of a game suddenly feeling like a job, no thank you. Accessibility is an important part of GTS and certainly simplifying the race preparations means participation is easier. But because tuning is so central to motorsport, the idea that sim games have somehow misrepresented tuning to be a mystic art is perplexing, especially if progression takes hours to resolve.

As I've stated, I lack experience in a variety of sims so rely on others. Is it really true that tuning is these games, including GTS, does not mirror RL, and that knowledge about the setup basics does not afford you the ability to tune a car in a reasonable time? My results have been consistent with RL, but I'm certainly not exploiting the extreme limits here.

I respect your example about abusing the setup on brakes and sims should avoid these situations at all costs. It does explain some unreal pace of some drivers I've met in lobbies...but banning all tuning on Sport races? Perhaps GTS could contemplate the option of allowing adjustments to the diff and final gear for future FIA seasons? Think adding an option of optimizing your running gears for each track may open up the field and produce better racing...

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Having no tuning is part of why I play gts. As other I got busy days and I dont want to spend 30min on tuning my car to my liking for each daily races.
Sure for people used to tune, it probably would only take 2 mins to set up a dif. but lots of us just don't feel like tuning, its quite complicate and taked lots of time to get right.
Like many others I've used tune for gt5/6 from praiano and while it was great the time difference between a stock and a tuned car was huge.

I wouldnt mind a daily race with tuning especially on n cars but fia races should stay on driver/car combo imo.

 

[Kano Manel]

I just want to change the diff Initial Torque, that's it. That would eliminate the Gr. 3 being such a pain the neck, just open it up to 15 or 14 and no more troubles in corners when downshifting or turbo donkey-kick. That would make me as happy as Larry.

 

[Venster]

Tuning is a great feature that the game has, if you know what you are doing it can be very rewarding to get those extra tenths from getting it right.

But in a competition, I have to agree with @Tidgney and @Matty28 it should stay prohibited. Even if you have the time many wouldn’t know how to tune anyway, but most don’t have that time to spare. It’s much fairer to leave it prohibited, everyone has the same choice of cars to pick from and it’s who can drive the car they choose the fastest, I mean in nations unless it’s one make you can chose what ever you want to suit the track.

Someone suggested just changing the gearbox, you can improve a lap by seconds from just adjusting gearing.

 

[Kano Manel]

hey, I think is great this way. Is just that the diff in all gr.3 is too sensitive.
and also the lack of tuning kills @praiano63 's work

 

[sundaydriving]

hey, I think is great this way. Is just that the diff in all gr.3 is too sensitive.
and also the lack of tuning kills @praiano63 's work
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[mclarenLB]

Well thanks to taking a break this season, I need to hit a 2400+ race in Round 7 Manufacturers (In an average car ) to be safe for Top 24, It means that I'm actually gonna do a ton of prep for this race, for the first time in Season 2

So that being said, would anyone be interested in me streaming my entire practice process, and breaking it down as I go through? I don't think anyone really does a full on education stream for practising, and now that I can stream I want to do more than just streaming my FIA races like everyone else does.

 

[praiano63]

hey, I think is great this way. Is just that the diff in all gr.3 is too sensitive.
and also the lack of tuning kills @praiano63 's work
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[Sharkart_Kun]

Well thanks to taking a break this season, I need to hit a 2400+ race in Round 7 Manufacturers (In an average car ) to be safe for Top 24, It means that I'm actually gonna do a ton of prep for this race, for the first time in Season 2

So that being said, would anyone be interested in me streaming my entire practice process, and breaking it down as I go through? I don't think anyone really does a full on education stream for practising, and now that I can stream I want to do more than just streaming my FIA races like everyone else does.

I'd be interested! This is the most important part of the proccess!

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Well thanks to taking a break this season, I need to hit a 2400+ race in Round 7 Manufacturers (In an average car ) to be safe for Top 24, It means that I'm actually gonna do a ton of prep for this race, for the first time in Season 2

So that being said, would anyone be interested in me streaming my entire practice process, and breaking it down as I go through? I don't think anyone really does a full on education stream for practising, and now that I can stream I want to do more than just streaming my FIA races like everyone else does.

Not streams since I might not be able to catch it, but a video!

 

[mclarenLB]

I'd be interested! This is the most important part of the proccess!

Not streams since I might not be able to catch it, but a video!

Well that settles it! I'll start in about half an hour, the VoD will be available on YouTube when its over Will link here when its live

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Well that settles it! I'll start in about half an hour, the VoD will be available on YouTube when its over Will link here when its live

Yay!
Will definitely watch the vid first thing when I wake up tomorrow

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Well thanks to taking a break this season, I need to hit a 2400+ race in Round 7 Manufacturers (In an average car ) to be safe for Top 24, It means that I'm actually gonna do a ton of prep for this race, for the first time in Season 2

So that being said, would anyone be interested in me streaming my entire practice process, and breaking it down as I go through? I don't think anyone really does a full on education stream for practising, and now that I can stream I want to do more than just streaming my FIA races like everyone else does.

Yes definitely! We need to entertain the chat there xD

 

[mclarenLB]

Ok we doing it! Feel free to come and hang out!



Edit: Part 2 because the game bluescreened

 

[dabz343]

Ok we doing it! Feel free to come and hang out!



Edit: Part 2 because the game bluescreened

The tip about the 1st quali lap dedicated to fuel burning and track limit exploits...wow, this is really just a game.

 

[SMinded31]

The tip about the 1st quali lap dedicated to fuel burning and track limit exploits...wow, this is really just a game.

First or last, dude.

 

[dabz343]

First or last, dude.

Full sentences are helpful...can't read your mind.

 

[mclarenLB]

The tip about the 1st quali lap dedicated to fuel burning and track limit exploits...wow, this is really just a game.

The former is what happens when you don't let the player set their fuel amount, the exact same thing happens in iRacing Indycar.

If the game won't let me empty my fuel tank for qually, I'll do it myself

 

[mthomas_95]

The tip about the 1st quali lap dedicated to fuel burning and track limit exploits...wow, this is really just a game.

It's also an officially sanctioned FIA championship.

Didn't see many at Hockenheim at the weekend treat everything as a laugh and not try and be competitive did you