FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Matty28]

There's no reason to believe they are really in that area. This does appear to be an alternate account based on there being only 39 "Distinct Days Game Access" and the sporadic dates on the leaderboard. If I were to create an alternate account with mischief in mind, I would not use my real location.

Based on their speed, how many people could this be? If people were so inclined, they could comb through replays and create a list of all the opponents in races with said driver. Then, by elimination, create a list of drivers with this kind of speed that haven't raced against said driver and end up with a "possible offender list."

You might be right in terms of French area but I don't think the country France is going to be a fake location - I just noticed the PSN account is at least 6.5 years old and it has a few GT Sport achievements from 2017, but it didn't participate online to my knowledge until a few months ago and then only for a few races/time trials. That leaves like 4-8 people I think (it's difficult to be precise with people's pace). The guy is top tier speed.

 

[perrolocomcquee]

Ok, so i wanna be popular too , these are my races.
Manu was freakin intense between @Doodle @LLOYDZELITE69 and @ORMA_Snow (now FT_NicoR)
Unexpected end, and some bad luck cause of a ridiculous penalty and ghost stuff.

Second, my Nations race, which was way more relaxed than the previous one. I was able to manage the fuel, and take the win

Both races are with comments, there’s some swearing on the video but nothing to serious . Hope you guys enjoy

 

[Quakebass]

Just a couple days ago by some stroke of luck I pushed my DR from C to B after a few good runs in the dailies, and holy moly am I glad for that, because today I pretty much had an inverse of my run of Manufacture's Round 4 @ Dragon Trail (which TL;DR is a good thing).

Full disclosure, I hate Nurburgring GP (for now). I can't figure out how to make the complex after turn 1 work, I'm always shooting wide somewhere and losing time all over the place. I was able to string together a 2:07.8 in practice, possibly if I put my best stuff together in one lap I could've shaved up to second at maximum, but I'd probably need an extra hour or two to figure that out. Needless to say I didn't even get close to that in qualifying, dropped the ball in a different place every lap, and qualified a gross 17th. I figured with my poor knowledge of the track I'd keep hitting gravel traps any time I made progress climbing the field, and lock myself in the bottom 5 for pretty much the whole race - but it was not to be. My first three laps weren't great, making the same bad moves I made in qualifying, but from there things started to level out, and after my pit stop I found a groove (and this time gave myself enough fuel to get to the finish ). I kept it clean while others hit gravel or slowed to take some penalties, and managed to finish 4th place when all was said and done.

That's a whopping 13 positions gained over the course of the race:

If everything was shifted three positions higher I would've basically pulled a Hamilton, and at Germany of all places!

 

[SMinded31]

How does the upcoming top 24 superstars race work? Is it only for the top 24? I'm at a lowly 36th rank currently.
I've never had the chance to even try to run one. Something has always come up by chance.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Easier said than done. Wasn’t expecting such a sudden defensive move and was too late to change my line. Had only two options: believe that he will leave a minimum gap (even though he was already being extremely aggressive with that “defense”) and try the pass; or brake and give up, even though I was much faster due to the slipstream. When you have a fraction of a second to decide it’s about following your instinct and even common sense (this was supposed to be a race of skilled and clean drivers after all).

It was a very predictable move though?

As far as I know, when defending the driver is not allowed to change his line twice. Notice that he went from the left, to blocking the right passage and after I moved to the left he followed the same move and totally blocked that gap.

His block might be late, but DTG's lime through there is that there's a slight left kink after the chicane, prompting you to out-in-out. I'm not even sure if he was swerving or following the racing line

 

[HellzFire]

Ok, so i wanna be popular too , these are my races.
Manu was freakin intense between @Doodle @LLOYDZELITE69 and @ORMA_Snow (now FT_NicoR)
Unexpected end, and some bad luck cause of a ridiculous penalty and ghost stuff.

Second, my Nations race, which was way more relaxed than the previous one. I was able to manage the fuel, and take the win

Both races are with comments, there’s some swearing on the video but nothing to serious . Hope you guys enjoy

The moment @LLOYDZELITE69 learn to use the Citroen fuel economy at its best we are all screwed lmao. Guy is legit on the same pace as the big top 3 on america (@ORMA_Snow @Doodle and @Igor Fraga). Even with his bad strategy he won the race. I feel like even if he changed tyres he wouldve returned in first place, so he could have had a better pace in the end.

PD needs to fix this ghosting ASAP. The weirdest thing is that it started on the first sector, and if im not mistaken, both you and Snow didnt have penalties, so i dont know why the ghosting was active there. You spining at the end was unfortunate, as was your 10 pen second penalty from a slight tap on Lloydz. Not worthy of a penalty imo

The Nations race you completely dominated. Managing fuel very well and just flying away from the field. Nice job.

How does the upcoming top 24 superstars race work? Is it only for the top 24? I'm at a lowly 36th rank currently.
I've never had the chance to even try to run one. Something has always come up by chance.

For nations, the only filter is you need to be inside the top 10 of your country. Since you're american, i feel like you arent on the top 10 in USA, so you're probably out of the race. If you're close to the top 10 and close to the top 24 overall, you can get lucky if some people dont enter the race and get matched in. But be aware that, if you don't qualify for the race, you won't have the chance of racing on that slot on a normal FIA race, you'll have to wait for the next slot.

For Manufacturers, you need top be on the top 2 of your manu, and after that, inside the top 24 excluding people that are out of the top 2 of their respectives manufacturers.

For both races, you need DR S and SR S to join.

 

[perrolocomcquee]

The moment @LLOYDZELITE69 learn to use the Citroen fuel economy at its best we are all screwed lmao. Guy is legit on the same pace as the big top 3 on america (@ORMA_Snow @Doodle and @Igor Fraga). Even with his bad strategy he won the race. I feel like even if he changed tyres he wouldve returned in first place, so he could have had a better pace in the end.

PD needs to fix this ghosting ASAP. The weirdest thing is that it started on the first sector, and if im not mistaken, both you and Snow didnt have penalties, so i dont know why the ghosting was active there. You spining at the end was unfortunate, as was your 10 pen second penalty from a slight tap on Lloydz. Not worthy of a penalty imo

The Nations race you completely dominated. Managing fuel very well and just flying away from the field. Nice job.

I’m honored for your words m8!
Indeed, Lloydz did the worst strategy possible and he managed to win . You are gonna have some serious competition next season with the Citroen. Let’s see what’s new on the next update tho. Hopefully a nerf for the Megane.
I also hope to keep improving in order to face the very best on the game.

 

[mclarenLB]

Theres no way the Citroen doesn't get a fuel nerf, even the Gr3 Corvette eventually got its fuel nerfed a few months back

I expect the Megane Trophy to get a minimum of a -3% power nerf Monday too given PDs BoP change history (remember the 4Cs initial nerf)

 

[HellzFire]

The megane needs more weight, it's already slow on the straights.

If you gonna nerf the Cit's fuel economy, you have to do the same with the Lexus and NSX, and of course the Megane also. They're the best on gr4.

 

[mclarenLB]

The megane needs more weight, it's already slow on the straights.

If you gonna nerf the Cit's fuel economy, you have to do the same with the Lexus and NSX, and of course the Megane also. They're the best on gr4.

Absolutely, Im just saying what PD are most likely to do.

Citroen the worst fuel offender though by quite a margin, the NSX and Lexus are strong, but the Citroen is ludicrous.

 

[HellzFire]

Absolutely, Im just saying what PD are most likely to do.

Citroen the worst fuel offender though by quite a margin, the NSX and Lexus are strong, but the Citroen is ludicrous.

The NSX is on the same level as the Citroen imo. In Shoheis stream, you can see that. P1 (him) and P2 were NSXs, and with a incredible total time, great pace too, no stop. The Lexus can save more but it can't keep the pace like these two because of tyre wear. The Megane is just a freak car.

For me, the ranking is: Megane>Citroen=NSX>RCF

I agree that it is a bit op. Feel like these cars should have fuel economy a little bit better than the viper, for example, cause its a faster car in pure pace so the fuel will even things out.

 

[SMinded31]

For nations, the only filter is you need to be inside the top 10 of your country

Seems kinda a silly rule only letting 10 from one country. Half of the top 24 are from USA. I'll have to be MUCH improved to make it for season 3.

 

[Pfei]

Seems kinda a silly rule only letting 10 from one country. Half of the top 24 are from USA. I'll have to be MUCH improved to make it for season 3.

I understand it as the only prerequisite is having a DR S rank. That's top ten in your country or top 200 in your region. So if there are disconnects and no-shows then any S rank can get in. Given that even top players have skipped rounds this season I think there is an outside chance of even DR B star players getting in.

 

[HellzFire]

Seems kinda a silly rule only letting 10 from one country. Half of the top 24 are from USA. I'll have to be MUCH improved to make it for season 3.

Imagine on the EMEA region. 3 per country. Places like the UK, France and Spain have legit dozens of great drivers for 3 spots.

10 spots per country is more than enough for our region imo.

 

[SMinded31]

Imagine on the EMEA region. 3 per country. Places like the UK, France and Spain have legit dozens of great drivers for 3 spots.

10 spots per country is more than enough for our region imo.

Good point.

 

[BrunoSport]

It was a very predictable move though?

His block might be late, but DTG's lime through there is that there's a slight left kink after the chicane, prompting you to out-in-out. I'm not even sure if he was swerving or following the racing line

No, it was totally unpredictable. Clean, honest drivers will not block a faster car that way and force it out of the road. I didn’t start playing GTS yesterday and I know this wasn’t clean. During the fraction of a second that he moved totally out of the natural line for that corner just to block me I thought he would leave a minimum gap and avoid an accident. As for he following the normal line for that section, please watch the video again. He himself said he blocked me.

 

[SMinded31]

It was predictable in the sense that if someone is going to block someone it's going to be on the inside, generally.
You had a good chance of passing him cleanly if you would have went on the outside, squared corner off and get on the gas much sooner exiting on the inside.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

No, it was totally unpredictable. Clean, honest drivers will not block a faster car that way and force it out of the road. I didn’t start playing GTS yesterday and I know this wasn’t clean. During the fraction of a second that he moved totally out of the natural line for that corner just to block me I thought he would leave a minimum gap and avoid an accident. As for he following the normal line for that section, please watch the video again. He himself said he blocked me.

If I were in your position I would've seen that block coming the moment he started to go to the outside following the natural racing line. He was maximizing the path of least resistance until it was a complete straight. It's not like he swerved either- it was a smooth, but late, block to the inside line. At this point, is it even a late block? You had no overlap in the first place, and after reviewing it a couple of times again to be sure of my arguments, it doesn't even seem like he's driving by his rear view mirror. If he was the block would've been much more abrupt and sudden

The purpose of the block in the first place is to force you on the outside, so why do you expect him to leave a car width for you? What are you, entitled?

 

[BrunoSport]

If I were in your position I would've seen that block coming the moment he started to go to the outside following the natural racing line. He was maximizing the path of least resistance until it was a complete straight. It's not like he swerved either- it was a smooth, but late, block to the inside line. At this point, is it even a late block? You had no overlap in the first place, and after reviewing it a couple of times again to be sure of my arguments, it doesn't even seem like he's driving by his rear view mirror. If he was the block would've been much more abrupt and sudden

The purpose of the block in the first place is to force you on the outside, so why do you expect him to leave a car width for you? What are you, entitled?

Went out of the pit ghosting with his car so he was aware of my car on his radar for some time. Even if he didn’t have mirror, he knew I was there and tried to block me. He’s not denying blocking me in the first place, so no need to go as far as saying it wasn’t even a block. We all know what is the normal line at that straight is, so he could’ve kept to the left if he just wanted to defend the inside. Blocking that late and going to the limit of the track was a dirty move, imo. Besides that, acting like an asshole and using my nationality as an insult, instead of discussing the accident in a civilized way, is not very nice.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

One of these is not like the others...



It won't stay up there but that's the fastest I've ever run at Suzuka and I haven't even tried the Trophy yet.

 

[BrunoSport]

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

A little late but both FIA races for Round 7.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Went out of the pit ghosting with his car so he was aware of my car on his radar for some time. Even if he didn’t have mirror, he knew I was there and tried to block me. He’s not denying blocking me in the first place, so no need to go as far as saying it wasn’t even a block. We all know what is the normal line at that straight is, so he could’ve kept to the left if he just wanted to defend the inside. Blocking that late and going to the limit of the track was a dirty move, imo. Besides that, acting like an asshole and using my nationality as an insult, instead of discussing the accident in a civilized way, is not very nice.

If you're aware that he knows you're right behind, isn't it all the more reason to expect something from him to defend his position? That could've been all the more avoidable. I'll concede that it's a block, if he says so. Defending by staying to the left is a viable strategy, and moving to the left after the kink is just as viable as the former. The only thing that presumably went wrong on his side and made it a block is the timing of which he moved to the left after the kink. Maybe moving that late is a dirty move, but going all the way to the limit is not. If the latter case is dirty, then there would be no point in defending in the first place if you're always gonna leave a car width for the attacker to squeeze through

I don't agree with his statements toward you post-race, but that's a different topic unrelated to the move

 

[mthomas_95]

Somehow got 2 pages of debate and discussion over a short battle over 8th place in which it's extremely obvious both drivers were driving dirty.

Looking forward to this thread when it's a slightly dodgy 50/50 pass for the lead in a Regional or World Final event

I understand it as the only prerequisite is having a DR S rank. That's top ten in your country or top 200 in your region. So if there are disconnects and no-shows then any S rank can get in. Given that even top players have skipped rounds this season I think there is an outside chance of even DR B star players getting in.

Top 24 race entry only allows more than the max stated per country/manufacturer if there aren't enough S players, which won't be an issue given about 6,000* people per region got it. I'd be amazed if a DR B rated S driver got in even looking at the American leaderboard. B drivers won't be in lobbies getting over 1,000 points for a win often or even at all so they won't even crack Top 100 in the overall points standings.

*Ok this might be slightly exaggerated

 

[Lost Sheltie]

So is it really a one make race on the Nations Gr4 at Suzuka? I had a quick blast in the Megane Trophy and it seems to basically stick to the track, but if anyone has any other suggestions I would be grateful (I just hate driving the meta car if at all possible).

Maybe the Citroen like @OutlawQuadrnt suggested? Any others?

 

[ivann]

Could this be added to the opening post?

APPENDIX L INTERNATONAL SPORTING CODE (published on 18.06.2018.)
Direct link for full pdf. download:
https://www.fia.com/file/69631/download/12831?token=iw8UzQo0

Important parts:
CHAPTER IV - CODE OF DRIVING CONDUCT ON CIRCUITS
2. Overtaking, car control and track limits
b) Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason. More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.
However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited.
c) Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt, the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
Should a car leave the track for any reason, the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage. A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
e) It is not permitted to drive any car unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time.
4. Entrance to the pit lane
c) Any driver intending to leave the track or to enter the pit lane should make sure that it is safe to do so.
d) Except in cases of force majeure, the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a car entering the pit lane is prohibited.
5. Exit from the pit lane
Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track must not be crossed by any part of a car leaving the pits.

 

[Famine]

Could this be added to the opening post?

Is it relevant to GT Sport in any way, and will posting it on page 1 of a 110-page thread on GTPlanet - which has no control over GT Sport or how it is played - affect the way that any driver plays the game online?

The answer to those questions is also your answer.

 

[ivann]

Is it relevant to GT Sport in any way, and will posting it on page 1 of a 110-page thread on GTPlanet - which has no control over GT Sport or how it is played - affect the way that any driver plays the game online?

The answer to those questions is also your answer.

It is relevant to GT Sport FIA races.
Rules need to be clear for everyone participating.
Leaving it on page 110 will make it hard to find later on.
Will it affect the way that any driver plays the game online? With reporting every player that brakes the rules, I surely hope so.

 

[Famine]

It is relevant to GT Sport FIA races.

How? The game does not penalise anyone for breaking any of those "rules". For that matter, the game requires you to break one of those rules if you have already been penalised for something else...

GT Sport is not real life racing, even in the FIA races. There are no stewards watching to penalise rude driving. The only rules governing GT Sport are the rules governing GT Sport.

 

[BrunoSport]

Somehow got 2 pages of debate and discussion over a short battle over 8th place in which it's extremely obvious both drivers were driving dirty.

Wasn’t expecting it to become a long debate so I’ll stop now. Btw, I wasn’t dirty. What happened after the block was a desperate move to avoid going straight to the wall so I instinctively turned to the left, trying to do the curve, without even thinking of where his car was (it ghosted and didn’t hit him. Got zero penalty btw). Maybe lack of skill, but not dirty.