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Whitey093
3) Whether you need to be S rated to qualify still seems vague to me but why wouldn't that be the case? If you didn't need it then what's the point of it? We've had 2 seasons to get it so if you wanted to compete in the finals what have you been doing for 2 seasons?
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How is this vague?

"Star Players" are players who exhibit superior technique and sportsmanship, that will be revered by all players. It will be necessary to register detailed profile information, but the player will be given opportunities to appear in race reports and Live Events. The "Star Players" Driver Rating in-game will appear as "S".
 
The vague part is.. Is it yet known if you can earn an S rating in season 3, register at the end of the season and qualify for the live events or are only people who are S rated after season 2 going to be eligible.

If this was clearly answered and i missed it i do apologize as I do often miss extended parts of the running thread, but as far as I know this is unclear as of yet.

Got my S in season 2 just to be safe. Not that i have any legitimate chance of qualifying for anything but i still like competing and you never know how things will shake out if you just put yourself in the right position at the outset.
 
DaigoD
I really hope we get something different after the FIA season. The possibilities are endless. Car manufactures could for example work with PD to create some nice championships with special prices.

Instead of distorting the FIA season, Nissan could have worked with PD to create the Nismo cup. A series of one-make Nissan races with the winner going to Japan. I would love to participate in something like that.
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Is this not public knowledge?
https://www.nismo.com/nissangtsportcup/
 
Whitey093
The vague part is.. Is it yet known if you can earn an S rating in season 3, register at the end of the season and qualify for the live events or are only people who are S rated after season 2 going to be eligible.

If this was clearly answered and i missed it i do apologize as I do often miss extended parts of the running thread, but as far as I know this is unclear as of yet.

Got my S in season 2 just to be safe. Not that i have any legitimate chance of qualifying for anything but i still like competing and you never know how things will shake out if you just put yourself in the right position at the outset.
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Theres No S Ranks being given out in the Final Season, the whole purpose of Season 1 and 2 was to gain S and gain eligibility for the Live Events, anyone who didn't get S by the end of Season 2 I'm afraid has missed the boat.
 
K32
Ah ok, as it seems that there's absolutely no chance for him, I will stop trying to see the opportunities that could give Australia a fighting chance at the Regional finals.



I watch his streams, I don't see him on a day-to-day basis, so I'm not so close to him as you think. Maybe he has (and nobody's listened). People like him could easily be ignored, even after what he's done for us.

EDIT: No need to reply, I will stop talking about this issue altogether now. Let's move on.
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I think you misunderstand DRS, this is not the highest ranking DR wise A+ is, just because someone is an S does not mean they have high DR. You can technically be a DRD and still get DRS.

Whitey093
The vague part is.. Is it yet known if you can earn an S rating in season 3, register at the end of the season and qualify for the live events or are only people who are S rated after season 2 going to be eligible.

If this was clearly answered and i missed it i do apologize as I do often miss extended parts of the running thread, but as far as I know this is unclear as of yet.

Got my S in season 2 just to be safe. Not that i have any legitimate chance of qualifying for anything but i still like competing and you never know how things will shake out if you just put yourself in the right position at the outset.
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Qualifying for the live events without an S rating already is extremely unlikely. You wouldnt be able to enter the T24 races without it. DRS after the events have finished doesn’t really provide any benefit.
 
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mclarenLB
Theres No S Ranks being given out in the Final Season, the whole purpose of Season 1 and 2 was to gain S and gain eligibility for the Live Events, anyone who didn't get S by the end of Season 2 I'm afraid has missed the boat.
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Partially correct. S rank does not carry over between different seasons. Also, no matter what we all think, there has been nothing written about whether S3 awards S rank or not.

I am wondering why Season 1 was even done at all. Either way you look at it, it meant nothing as far as the finals are concerned.
 
The reason I brought it up to begin with, is that there will be a bunch of people like Jenkins who posted here earlier, who either weren’t able to or just didn’t do the first 2 seasons, at least not enough races to get top 200, but now they’ll be jumping into this season because “it’s the one that counts”, which will cost us S drivers points, let alone them perhaps causing incidents, accidentally or not. It’ll be completely luck of the draw how many non-S drivers you get matched with and for us 2nd or 3rd tier drivers who aren’t good with every single combination, this could be costing us hundreds of points.

Nations won’t be a big deal since the elite drivers will be at the top anyway no matter what. It’s just manufacturers I’m worried about. Mostly because those people racing for the weaker brands trying to get their brand into the top 16 in the rankings, will now have to contend with ineligible drivers who will most likely be driving the “good” cars, taking away precious points that could be the difference between a brand finishing 16th or 17th.

Another question is: Are the manufacturer rankings being calculated by the top overall player for each brand in each region, or the top S player for each brand in each region?
 
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Pfei
Partially correct. S rank does not carry over between different seasons. Also, no matter what we all think, there has been nothing written about whether S3 awards S rank or not.

I am wondering why Season 1 was even done at all. Either way you look at it, it meant nothing as far as the finals are concerned.
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Season 1 was to grant S rank for access to the Season 2 Top 24 Races, of course, this probably could've been handled better
 
Whitey093
The vague part is.. Is it yet known if you can earn an S rating in season 3, register at the end of the season and qualify for the live events or are only people who are S rated after season 2 going to be eligible.

If this was clearly answered and i missed it i do apologize as I do often miss extended parts of the running thread, but as far as I know this is unclear as of yet.

Got my S in season 2 just to be safe. Not that i have any legitimate chance of qualifying for anything but i still like competing and you never know how things will shake out if you just put yourself in the right position at the outset.
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I get what you are saying... So here's a quick logic flow from the rules:

The Star Player status is only valid during the Season immediately following the Season where the player fulfilled the prerequisites.

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The above linked text mentions "...Season immediately following...", there is an Online Final Season, and the Live Events are not called Seasons. Combine this with the previously established need to be a Star Player to be eligible for the Live Events and the logic all fits.
 
mclarenLB
Season 1 was to grant S rank for access to the Season 2 Top 24 Races, of course, this probably could've been handled better
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Oh yeah, forgot about that! Still, it's only the top 24 we're talking about for the finals. S rank is easy to get. The top 24 races in Season 2 were full of people who would have gotten S rank anyway after season 2.
 
They also explained that the first seasons were to gain DR in preparation for the final season. Realistically though doesn’t matter if there are S ranks or A+ ranks still need to beat them just the same. If you’ve got a lobby of full S ranks you don’t know what you’ve got anyway.
 
I found the legal jargon related to the FIA championships: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/legal/fia-gran-turismo-championships-2018-competition/

It is just as ambiguous as the info page on the official site. What I take out of it is that Season 1 and Season 2 are just warm ups, as @Venster just pointed out. I think they were set up for some final bug testing and to test the SS24 races (it's good they did that since I understand they were an epic fail due to disconnects).

Unfortunately it does not clarify about S rank and season 3, either. As I wrote a couple times here a few days ago, PD needs to clear this up ASAP. @mclarenLB 's assumption that S3 does NOT award S rank is a logical deduction on his part of how things should be. But until we see it in black and white somewhere it's all guesswork. Looking over the legal doc further strengthens my hypothesis that Season 3 will also award S rank, simply based on the fact that I haven't read anywhere officially stating that it will not.

EDIT: was just thinking about @bloodyboyblue 's beef with having S players mixed up with everyone else in this Season 3, which is "the one that counts". That's even further supporting my idea that anyone can still get S rank. If not, why bother mixing up S and non-S players? It would have been better handled with S-only races where just the S players race amongst themselves to see who goes to the finals.
 
I will admit it’s vague that technically you could get S after final season and qualify, but I can’t see them sending out applications for this after S3 because surely the expectation is you’ve already gained it for S3.

I still would be amazed if anyone qualifies that aren’t already S. Rightly or wrongly the series is just not setup for that.
 
Anyone who plans to take the championship seriously and expects to get S rank from the Final Season, just bare it in mind theres good potential that you might be disappointed, thats all I'll say.

Both Season 1 and 2s schedule notice mentioned awarding S rank for the next season, the Final Seasons notice does NOT. Thats all we have to go on unfortunately.
 
Venster
I will admit it’s vague that technically you could get S after final season and qualify, but I can’t see them sending out applications for this after S3 because surely the expectation is you’ve already gained it for S3.

I still would be amazed if anyone qualifies that aren’t already S. Rightly or wrongly the series is just not setup for that.
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We are discussing the case of new A+ players that didn't participate earlier. They could finish #1 and if they don't get S they will miss the finals. If you are racing for #1 for Nissan, for example, it is imperative to have S rank already from Season 2 in order to get those points. But if you race for a country with few players (Paraguay has 4) you don't need the SS races because you have very little competition.

mclarenLB
Anyone who plans to take the championship seriously and expects to get S rank from the Final Season, just bare it in mind theres good potential that you might be disappointed, thats all I'll say.

Both Season 1 and 2s schedule notice mentioned awarding S rank for the next season, the Final Seasons notice does NOT. Thats all we have to go on unfortunately.
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I definitely agree, your deduction is logical. I am just wondering then why, in this final season, if current S rankers are the only candidates, do they have S players mixing it up with non-S players?
 
Pfei
I found the legal jargon related to the FIA championships: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/legal/fia-gran-turismo-championships-2018-competition/

It is just as ambiguous as the info page on the official site. What I take out of it is that Season 1 and Season 2 are just warm ups, as @Venster just pointed out. I think they were set up for some final bug testing and to test the SS24 races (it's good they did that since I understand they were an epic fail due to disconnects).

Unfortunately it does not clarify about S rank and season 3, either. As I wrote a couple times here a few days ago, PD needs to clear this up ASAP. @mclarenLB 's assumption that S3 does NOT award S rank is a logical deduction on his part of how things should be. But until we see it in black and white somewhere it's all guesswork. Looking over the legal doc further strengthens my hypothesis that Season 3 will also award S rank, simply based on the fact that I haven't read anywhere officially stating that it will not.

EDIT: was just thinking about @bloodyboyblue 's beef with having S players mixed up with everyone else in this Season 3, which is "the one that counts". That's even further supporting my idea that anyone can still get S rank. If not, why bother mixing up S and non-S players? It would have been better handled with S-only races where just the S players race amongst themselves to see who goes to the finals.
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Players who have performed extraordinary well during Season 1 and/or 2 will have the option to obtain 'Star Player' status by registering their profile details.
 
Pfei
We are discussing the case of new A+ players that didn't participate earlier. They could finish #1 and if they don't get S they will miss the finals. If you are racing for #1 for Nissan, for example, it is imperative to have S rank already from Season 2 in order to get those points. But if you race for a country with few players (Paraguay has 4) you don't need the SS races because you have very little competition.



I definitely agree, your deduction is logical. I am just wondering then why, in this final season, if current S rankers are the only candidates, do they have S players mixing it up with non-S players?
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Not saying the system is fair and neither of us know what happens, but unfortunately if they missed the first seasons it’s unfortunately unlikely they will get the chance to qualify. But there will be other chances I’m sure.

Is it anymore fair that someone who just turns up for the last season knocks someone out who did at least season 2 and met the prerequisite for the chance to qualify. No not really.
 
Sorry for the double post, but this just crossed my mind and I can't believe no one has posted while I was writing it :lol::

Now that we have apparently settled on the fact that Season 3 does not award S status (based on the legal jargon), allow me to point out the asinine way Season 3 has been set up.

Since players without S rank cannot qualify for the regional or world finals, top candidates will be racing against non-S A+ ranked drivers. Vengeance accounts have been mentioned before in this thread, but now they could be especially dangerous. It turns out that other people's logic was right and mine was wrong: If you don't have S rank now you won't be getting it and you can kiss the finals goodbye. So, now that it is indeed the case, it makes no sense to mix S and non-S players in the races. S players should have their own lobbies for Season 3.

A+, A, B... etc would be matched normally, but S players would have their own lobbies, so that the people who have the biggest stake in Season 3 are not compromised by drivers who can no longer qualify for the finals no matter how well they do. This would basically make a vengeance account useless since someone who wants to ruin someone else's party would not even be able to access the lobby he is in.

So this is what it should look like:

Season 3 Nations and Manufacturer Final Season: Non-S rankers race to have fun and maybe PD will throw you a bone with a participation wreath or something

Season 3 Nations Quarter Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Nations regional finals (which are akin to a semi-final)

Season 3 Manufacturer Semi Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Manufacturer world finals
 
Pfei
Sorry for the double post, but this just crossed my mind and I can't believe no one has posted while I was writing it :lol::

Now that we have apparently settled on the fact that Season 3 does not award S status (based on the legal jargon), allow me to point out the asinine way Season 3 has been set up.

Since players without S rank cannot qualify for the regional or world finals, top candidates will be racing against non-S A+ ranked drivers. Vengeance accounts have been mentioned before in this thread, but now they could be especially dangerous. It turns out that other people's logic was right and mine was wrong: If you don't have S rank now you won't be getting it and you can kiss the finals goodbye. So, now that it is indeed the case, it makes no sense to mix S and non-S players in the races. S players should have their own lobbies for Season 3.

A+, A, B... etc would be matched normally, but S players would have their own lobbies, so that the people who have the biggest stake in Season 3 are not compromised by drivers who can no longer qualify for the finals no matter how well they do. This would basically make a vengeance account useless since someone who wants to ruin someone else's party would not even be able to access the lobby he is in.

So this is what it should look like:

Season 3 Nations and Manufacturer Final Season: Non-S rankers race to have fun and maybe PD will throw you a bone with a participation wreath or something

Season 3 Nations Quarter Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Nations regional finals (which are akin to a semi-final)

Season 3 Manufacturer Semi Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Manufacturer world finals
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Someone could have created multiple accounts and achieved S rank with them. Those alternate accounts could be used in other time slots to target competitors. So that wouldn't solve it completely.

A lot of S ranked players (like myself) really have no chance of making to a live event. I'm sure some of them will not enter every race in the Final Season. This creates a couple of issues. Not having a full room for all S ranked drivers in all time slots, which changes the points available. Also, some of the lower ranked S drivers may start to drop out since they are constantly matched with the best drivers and are tired of being at the bottom of every race.

There is no perfect solution that everyone will love. Despite all the complaints, I think PD is doing a pretty good job (except for race disconnections) with this series and the people that make it to the live events will be deserving.
 
DriftMethod
Someone could have created multiple accounts and achieved S rank with them. Those alternate accounts could be used in other time slots to target competitors. So that wouldn't solve it completely.

A lot of S ranked players (like myself) really have no chance of making to a live event. I'm sure some of them will not enter every race in the Final Season. This creates a couple of issues. Not having a full room for all S ranked drivers in all time slots, which changes the points available. Also, some of the lower ranked S drivers may start to drop out since they are constantly matched with the best drivers and are tired of being at the bottom of every race.

There is no perfect solution that everyone will love. Despite all the complaints, I think PD is doing a pretty good job (except for race disconnections) with this series and the people that make it to the live events will be deserving.
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Yeah, you're right regarding the matchmaking. I was thinking you have 300+ S players in each championship in each region but forgot that there are five time slots. If everyone was in the same slot it would work, but 300+ separated into five different race times definitely wouldn't work.
 
mclarenLB
Theres No S Ranks being given out in the Final Season, the whole purpose of Season 1 and 2 was to gain S and gain eligibility for the Live Events, anyone who didn't get S by the end of Season 2 I'm afraid has missed the boat.
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:eek: So what is actually the purpose of the final season
 
PirovacBoy
:eek: So what is actually the purpose of the final season
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S rank just makes players eligible for the live events. The Final Season is where the points actually count towards making it into the live events.

A better question is: What is the purpose of Season 1?
 
PirovacBoy
:eek: So what is actually the purpose of the final season
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There's hundreds of people with S rank, the Final Season is gonna narrow it down to the few who are actually getting invited to the Regional and World Finals. 30 players for Nations in each region, and 16 for Manufacturers in each region.
 
mclarenLB
There's hundreds of people with S rank, the Final Season is gonna narrow it down to the few who are actually getting invited to the Regional and World Finals. 30 players for Nations in each region, and 16 for Manufacturers in each region.
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Well that makes sense
 
New tyre model could really do some damage this season. Cars that struggled with understeer in Manufacturers will be on the back foot for sure. Looks like the MR orientated brands were the wisest choice (with perhaps exceptions like Nissan and SRT). :/

I'm very interested to see if they've fixed the fuel consumption though, could make for some interesting strategies. :)
 
Pfei
Sorry for the double post, but this just crossed my mind and I can't believe no one has posted while I was writing it :lol::

Now that we have apparently settled on the fact that Season 3 does not award S status (based on the legal jargon), allow me to point out the asinine way Season 3 has been set up.

Since players without S rank cannot qualify for the regional or world finals, top candidates will be racing against non-S A+ ranked drivers. Vengeance accounts have been mentioned before in this thread, but now they could be especially dangerous. It turns out that other people's logic was right and mine was wrong: If you don't have S rank now you won't be getting it and you can kiss the finals goodbye. So, now that it is indeed the case, it makes no sense to mix S and non-S players in the races. S players should have their own lobbies for Season 3.

A+, A, B... etc would be matched normally, but S players would have their own lobbies, so that the people who have the biggest stake in Season 3 are not compromised by drivers who can no longer qualify for the finals no matter how well they do. This would basically make a vengeance account useless since someone who wants to ruin someone else's party would not even be able to access the lobby he is in.

So this is what it should look like:

Season 3 Nations and Manufacturer Final Season: Non-S rankers race to have fun and maybe PD will throw you a bone with a participation wreath or something

Season 3 Nations Quarter Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Nations regional finals (which are akin to a semi-final)

Season 3 Manufacturer Semi Finals: Only S-ranked drivers can be matched together and they are fighting for a spot in the Manufacturer world finals
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The solution I like is a seperate points system/table for S players. Everyone still races together, and DR is scored for where you finish in the race overall (like always), but S players get points for where they finish in comparison to the other S’s (like if there’s 8 in the room, 8 for the top finisher and 1 for the bottom finisher of the S players) and everyone else is irrelevant. The issue with that is that obviously you’ll get more points in a room with 20 S’s during the prime time slot vs a normal room with 10 or so.

There is no perfect solution anyway, and I just hope everyone who isn’t S will just race the people competing for points with courtesy
 
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