FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[R10tz0r]

Wait, Calster got into T24 with toyota? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

edit: nvm I'm an idiot it was a normal top split lobby

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Full disclosure: I've been made aware a few were wondering why I stayed out an extra lap at Monza compared to everyone else. Two reasons...

1. The only one that could've possibly undercut me was the Mustang and I felt good about overtaking him with pace and better tires. That and they had a million seconds of penalties.

2. I wanted to give the Jag some screen time in first place just in case we get a video out of this race.

 

[Adam41]

If anyone watched an EMEA Nation's stream like @Tidgney's and was confused why I pitted lap 7 (I know Jimmy was ) I accidentally only put in 2 laps of fuel thinking I was on a quali run . Fortunately I had a gap and the pace to stay out in front!

I think I'm not alone in saying it will be good racing at a different track in the form of Le Mans. 👍 (edit: Nurb then Le Mans)

 

[RZQSPEED]

If anyone watched an EMEA Nation's stream like @Tidgney's and was confused why I pitted lap 7 (I know Jimmy was ) I accidentally only put in 2 laps of fuel thinking I was on a quali run . Fortunately I had a gap and the pace to stay out in front!

I think I'm not alone in saying it will be good racing at a different track in the form of Le Mans. 👍 (edit: Nurb then Le Mans)

That could get any worse if you didn't realise (thankfully the red Fuel Warning text that appears on the screen shows up).

 

[Winnie847]

If anyone watched an EMEA Nation's stream like @Tidgney's and was confused why I pitted lap 7 (I know Jimmy was ) I accidentally only put in 2 laps of fuel thinking I was on a quali run . Fortunately I had a gap and the pace to stay out in front!

I think I'm not alone in saying it will be good racing at a different track in the form of Le Mans. 👍 (edit: Nurb then Le Mans)

I have absolutely no idea how you managed to save that much fuel while also keeping a gap of nearly 10s between you and P2. Well done

 

[schnick]

Thanks for your input, and I do understand the logic, but it doesn't really feel like racing alone in the back of the pack is making me any better. I could be wrong.

Also, your point about DR naturally tanking is valid, but not entirely true when comparing Daily races to FIA races. When I join dailies, I'm usually one of only a couple A+ drivers, sometimes the only one. I'm usually starting in the top 3-5 lately, and finishing in the top 3 as long as I don't mess up, which snags me a few points, but not many.

Point being, when I join FIA races, there are so many other people joining that I'm no longer matched with anyone below A+ or high A, and it just so happens that I'm usually near the bottom of that list. So it's not really my DR that bothers me, it's that I'm being locked out of the potential to gain more FIA points because there's literally no way I can currently compete with guys that have 65k DR or more. Placing low doesn't bother me either, it's just the fact that I was gaining more FIA points before I was A+ than I am now, and while I could be racing better, I'm performing to my current potential. I just wish there was a better way to reflect my current performances. If I'm good enough to be matched against some of the best in the region, my points should reflect that and should be higher than those who have never made it to lobbies quite as strong.



Hey man, I saw you in one of my races yesterday, can't remember which one. Great job.

As far as what my goal in the competition is....I simply want to have good races and be ranked in a somewhat accurate way. I don't care about winning and would actually love to keep racing with those who I consider the best, I just want my points to reflect that. I don't expect to be top 2, but should the people with lower DR and easier FIA races be ranked higher than me because they are doing better in weaker lobbies? I shouldn't be able to say with a straight face that I would have more FIA points if my DR was lower.

I think your point is exactly what I mean, there's a big difference between the bottom and top of A+ and the points should account for it. I don't really want to lower my SR and I shouldn't have to, it's not wins that I'm after, it's just an accurate depiction of where I stand compared to other drivers. The DR system works well, but the FIA races and FIA points system distort reality.

I'm with you on the tanking. Due to not playing much I was only DR B during season 1 and 2 and knew I was capable of a higher DR and more points, so I grinded the dailies before the final season up to about 58k. Round 1 did alright but after I that kept getting smashed by disconnects and aliens. I've tanked back to about 47k and now I'm getting good points to make up for the first half of the season.
My goal is to scrape into the Australian top 10 for the regional final so I'm basically gaming the point system. That's just how it's going to be until they fix it.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I'm with you on the tanking. Due to not playing much I was only DR B during season 1 and 2 and knew I was capable of a higher DR and more points, so I grinded the dailies before the final season up to about 58k. Round 1 did alright but after I that kept getting smashed by disconnects and aliens. I've tanked back to about 47k and now I'm getting good points to make up for the first half of the season.
My goal is to scrape into the Australian top 10 for the regional final so I'm basically gaming the point system. That's just how it's going to be until they fix it.

I also had my DR bleed from just around 60k to hovering to around 48-52k. I also kept getting smashed by aliens in the FiA but I stopped bothering grinding my DR back in the dailies. I think on one hand this DR I have right now is a more accurate reflection of my pace instead of the bloated 60k that I earned from pointless wins, but on the other hand I do feel bad because it is gaming the system

 

[schnick]

I also had my DR bleed from just around 60k to hovering to around 48-52k. I also kept getting smashed by aliens in the FiA but I stopped bothering grinding my DR back in the dailies. I think on one hand this DR I have right now is a more accurate reflection of my pace instead of the bloated 60k that I earned from pointless wins, but on the other hand I do feel bad because it is gaming the system

Yeah to be honest I think you've described it pretty accurately with the words "bloated" and "pointless wins", but some of those wins were good battles against "lower tier aliens". A bunch of them were at Suzuka in either the Megane Trophy pre-nerf-patch or Gr1.
If all goes to plan I will do a Bradbury at the regionals then off to the worlds

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Yeah to be honest I think you've described it pretty accurately with the words "bloated" and "pointless wins", but some of those wins were good battles against "lower tier aliens". A bunch of them were at Suzuka in either the Megane Trophy pre-nerf-patch or Gr1.
If all goes to plan I will do a Bradbury at the regionals then off to the worlds

Oh yeah there's that odd daily battle where you have a really good fight for the win, it's just that 90% of the time this isn't the case. Suzuka was also where I had some incredible moments that I think were better than some FiA races I had

Hope to see you at worlds as well! That is, next year since I'm not yet eligible
But still, currently third in my country and seventh in the Lexus, we'll see how it goes

 

[anthaliscious]

Screen recording of my on board of the Americas Top 24 Superstars Manufacturer race. First off four people had been disconnected loading into the race but were still able to do slot 5. Was confident in the Corvette at this track being fairly good on the start and having the torque to save fuel at a high pace. Had tied for 3rd best time for time trial with a 1:48.033, so I was expecting no less than to qualify on podium or else it would've been carnage otherwise, as it turned out to be.​

 

[dabz343]

Screen recording of my on board of the Americas Top 24 Superstars Manufacturer race. First off four people had been disconnected loading into the race but were still able to do slot 5. Was confident in the Corvette at this track being fairly good on the start and having the torque to save fuel at a high pace. Had tied for 3rd best time for time trial with a 1:48.033, so I was expecting no less than to qualify on podium or else it would've been carnage otherwise, as it turned out to be.​

Question for you.

On the last lap, approaching the end of the straight leading into turn 1, when IOF was approaching your bumper (24.18 on race timer). You steer right, after IOF initiates to pass you. I believe he was surprised by your move, hence a bump. Do you consider this move to be a reactionary block?

You did receive a negative orange SR notice shortly after, so the game has determined some sort of fault...Here's a chance for you to clarify.

Btw, strong race and congrats on being the only driver to finish without a penalty.

 

[Winnie847]

On the last lap, approaching the end of the straight leading into turn 1, when IOF was approaching your bumper (24.18 on race timer). You steer right, after IOF initiates to pass you. I believe he was surprised by your move, hence a bump. Do you consider this move to be a reactionary block?

You did receive a negative orange SR notice shortly after, so the game has determined some sort of fault...Here's a chance for you to clarify.

One blocking maneuver is allowed, and it looks like one is all he made. Fair block to protect the inside.

The red SR flag was because of the contact regardless of fault. No doubt IOF got one too.

 

[anthaliscious]

Question for you.

On the last lap, approaching the end of the straight leading into turn 1, when IOF was approaching your bumper (24.18 on race timer). You steer right, after IOF initiates to pass you. I believe he was surprised by your move, hence a bump. Do you consider this move to be a reactionary block?

You did receive a negative orange SR notice shortly after, so the game has determined some sort of fault...Here's a chance for you to clarify.

Btw, strong race and congrats on being the only driver to finish without a penalty.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'reactionary' block. But I'll say the move was made out of anticipation, not out of response. I was already expecting him to try and go to my right since there was Lester to my left, I began to defend the right side well before he reaches me, he had time to react and alter his move, instead continued to stay full throttle and push me. It's not like I made a second maneuver to refrain him from passing. Pretty sure he would've gotten -SR for the contact as well hence why I didn't receive a penalty. He had intentionally ruined a qualifying lap of mine in an earlier round so he can swallow a small block.

 

[dabz343]

I believe 1 preemptive move is allowed, a reactionary move is suspect and up to the steward's discretion. Just wanted to get your view as your defending move seemed to be reactionary.

As the final season progresses, perhaps a reminder could help avoid unnecessary carnage.

 

[anthaliscious]

I believe 1 preemptive move is allowed, a reactionary move is suspect and up to the steward's discretion. Just wanted to get your view as your defending move seemed to be reactionary.

As the final season progresses, perhaps a reminder could help avoid unnecessary carnage.

And just as I said, it was a single anticipated, preemptive move. There was never a second maneuver. I went to the inside before he got to me and I stayed to the inside

 

[mclarenLB]

Where exactly was IOF trying to go there anyway? If he did get the inside he'd have to push Ant to the outside to avoid running off track, but Lester was already to the outside so it probably would've ended in a wreck.

Its a really tiny incident which I wouldn't blame anyone for, but if I HAD to blame someone there it'd be IOF

 

[HatMarris]

I watched @Tidgney "rage" video and then watched the video of the same race made by the subject of Tidgney's frustration.

Strange (having also read the aggressive move thread) how people, most people - in the heat of the moment - are so quick to just assign blame to the other driver and not look at themselves and whether they caused the issue. Good/Bad to see it happens in all DR groups, not just in the lower standards. He blames someone for nudging him off the track near the end when in my eyes, he caused the whole issue and gave the other driver absolutely no chance of avoiding contact.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I see nothing wrong with that last lap maneuver at Monza. If anything, IOF could've feigned going inside to create space in the middle to squeeze through.

I watched @Tidgney "rage" video and then watched the video of the same race made by the subject of Tidgney's frustration.

Strange (having also read the aggressive move thread) how people, most people - in the heat of the moment - are so quick to just assign blame to the other driver and not look at themselves and whether they caused the issue. Good/Bad to see it happens in all DR groups, not just in the lower standards. He blames someone for nudging him off the track near the end when in my eyes, he caused the whole issue and gave the other driver absolutely no chance of avoiding contact.

The issue there was more about poor decision making that cost both drivers time when it could've been handled on the straight.

 

[HatMarris]

I see nothing wrong with that last lap maneuver at Monza. If anything, IOF could've feigned going inside to create space in the middle to squeeze through.The issue there was more about poor decision making that cost both drivers time when it could've been handled on the straight.

All about opinions I guess. I am nowhere near as good or as fast as any of these guys but I stopped the video at about 10:30 and I really don't see what The number 11 car was supposed to do. He got used as a brake (in my opinion).

I'm not trying to stir things up, I genuinely use these videos to try and work out how to improve my own driving and get tips on how to pass cleanly and when to back off

 

[K32]

The big question in anticipation of the last Top 24 Superstars is whether the Peugeot is still OP or not. Small power nerf for the aforementioned car and the old Audi R18 could mean a comeback by the Tomahawk at Le Mans.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Is the Ford GT really the way to go for Nations? I doubt the leaderboards, and I was traumatized by that pig of a car at Bathurst last time...

The Porsche is a good alternative, but it might get gobbled up by the sheep with its low power the AMG is a tenth slower than the Porsche (1:57.236 vs 1:57.153) but at least I can rest assured that I have a bit of power on the straights

Thoughts?

 

[RZQSPEED]

Is the Ford GT really the way to go for Nations? I doubt the leaderboards, and I was traumatized by that pig of a car at Bathurst last time...

The Porsche is a good alternative, but it might get gobbled up by the sheep with its low power the AMG is a tenth slower than the Porsche (1:57.236 vs 1:57.153) but at least I can rest assured that I have a bit of power on the straights

Thoughts?

Maybe the Evo, the WRX, the FT-1, or the GTI VGT would be some good alternatives.

Or you can go full on @Tidgney and use the RCZ.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Maybe the Evo, the WRX, the FT-1, or the GTI VGT would be some good alternatives.

Or you can go full on @Tidgney and use the RCZ.

Ooh, nice ideas
I'm not good enough to use the RCZ I will literally be smothered by all the GTs

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I was thinking of either the Lexus or the VW VGT tbh. Lexus seems quite fast from the brief try I had last night, and is very good on fuel. The VGT is decent on fuel due to the short shifting, is fast in a straight line, and allows me to get a tan while racing.

 

[mclarenLB]

The big question in anticipation of the last Top 24 Superstars is whether the Peugeot is still OP or not. Small power nerf for the aforementioned car and the old Audi R18 could mean a comeback by the Tomahawk at Le Mans.

The Peugeot was never OP in the slightest at Le Mans, The 919/R18 will probably still be the best

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I quite like the Lexus, but I have a big problem with it on the slow corners where the weight feels like it suddenly shifts to the middle and now it has all the rotation in the world. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not good either if I want consistency around Nurb

VGT is an interesting choice, to say the least. I've tried it before and I'm not a big fan of its handling either. I'm as picky with my cars as I am with food, sorry 'bout that

 

[Crazy Taylor]

and allows me to get a tan while racing.

And boy do the Scottish boys need a tan.

 

[Winnie847]

I believe 1 preemptive move is allowed, a reactionary move is suspect and up to the steward's discretion. Just wanted to get your view as your defending move seemed to be reactionary.

As the final season progresses, perhaps a reminder could help avoid unnecessary carnage.

I think what you’re implying is very debatable. I’ve only ever heard that one blocking move is allowed without any detail concerning whether or not it was reactionary or preemptive. Maybe check official FIA rules? I just don’t think this is the gotcha moment you’re looking for. It was a clean and common move.

https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/rac...vertake-and-defend-your-position-in-formula-1

Also this thread is full of info, including the link I posted above.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ng-behaviour-how-gts-should-be-played.375408/

 

[Tidgney]

I watched @Tidgney "rage" video and then watched the video of the same race made by the subject of Tidgney's frustration.

Strange (having also read the aggressive move thread) how people, most people - in the heat of the moment - are so quick to just assign blame to the other driver and not look at themselves and whether they caused the issue. Good/Bad to see it happens in all DR groups, not just in the lower standards. He blames someone for nudging him off the track near the end when in my eyes, he caused the whole issue and gave the other driver absolutely no chance of avoiding contact.

All about opinions I guess. I am nowhere near as good or as fast as any of these guys but I stopped the video at about 10:30 and I really don't see what The number 11 car was supposed to do. He got used as a brake (in my opinion).

I'm not trying to stir things up, I genuinely use these videos to try and work out how to improve my own driving and get tips on how to pass cleanly and when to back off

Wait sorry I'm confused 10:30 is in qualifying in my video ? In terms of the overtake and why I was a tad frustrated it is as outlaw mentioned;

The issue there was more about poor decision making that cost both drivers time when it could've been handled on the straight.

At the end of the day the driver had already hit me once during the race (Which I do have issue with as he could have avoided me), the 2nd move at the chicane was a good move then the Ascari move was just silly... Ascari is not a corner you go side by side through without someone getting a penalty (Especially in Gran Turismo) or contact. So rather than causing a penalty or contact (Which will happen with a dive) he should have just waited until after Ascari. He'd seen throughout the race his car was much quicker in a straight line and if he was doing a 1 stop strategy as he eventually did it's very clear you try to minimize any time lost to come out as far up the field as far as possible, I even called the 1 stop before the Ascari incident after the good move at the chicane.

So when I get frustrated with people not racing smart or not trying to race fair it's for a genuine reason. I've also called myself out before now for mistakes. But a genuine dive at Ascari which is a decision made not a mistake is silly. You could argue I should have predicted he'd just try to out brake me and drop back but I don't fully know if he will go for the move or not or whether he's trying to put me off. I gave space for it to happen and the rear still caught my front which causes an accident further back (I think the whole lobby blue screened after the race so can't see the replay but the Blue BMW loses out a lot) which suggests there's not enough room.

It's nice to discuss though @HatMarris , happy to help out where I can! There's another video on my channel where I use racing smart over trying to gain positions to my advantage on a high speed circuit and I gained tons of positions and points in a car that really shouldn't have got the position or points. Mainly because people were fighting so hard so early on in the race and not thinking about the long game... A lot of the time a lot of players could race smarter and achieve far more than just going for every position at every corner on every lap. There is a counter argument in that you can over think stuff to though and that is one of my weaker sides of my racing.

I've just watched 2 clips on his channel, awful driving... way to aggressive. Divebomb on lap 9 into the first chicane? What the heck is that about! I think that's a fantastic effort for the other drivers like @GT_Alex74 to have even give space on the inside. You'd be given all sorts of warnings for this driving in real life, it's not safe, clean, or remotely fair.

 

[mclarenLB]

You'd be given all sorts of warnings for this driving in real life, it's not safe, clean, or remotely fair.

Not even just real life, do that stuff at a live event and they'll happily give you Pit Stop Penalty after Pit Stop Penalty haha