FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Famine]

I did some testing last night and I think for cars that are hungry for tires, a 2-stop might actually be faster, but not if you use the hards for 3 laps. One or two laps max on the hards. I'm in the AWD Atenza, and it eats fronts like crazy. The hard tires seem to be almost 3s slower per lap, and the pit lane loss is 7-8 seconds without taking fuel. I was putting up low 2:19-20's on softs and 2:22-23's on hards. It's close, but 2-stop was around 4-5 seconds faster based on my rough math, which admittedly, is filled with "maybes." My best time was 4s, 1h, 4s, but I like the idea of starting on hards just to see how the first lap goes. If you get a good start and are able to stay in the slipstream, it might be worth staying out on hards for 5 laps then 1-stopping for softs till the end.

The Atenza is a tyre-chewing hog. I've found that, generally, starting on the hards and running the fuel tank down helps preserve the tyre life on later sets, if only a little. I can get a lap more out of last stint softs than first stint...

I don't know how it'll go here, and the fuel use isn't very high, but I'll probably try 3H then two 3S stints, or 5H and 4S if that's possible.

 

[Hasnain282]

I did 5S and 4H in the Ferrari, had a gap behind that I could work with though. Probably should've 2 stopped in hindsight given how my race panned out after that but the 1 stop just about worked out for me.

 

[Winnie847]

The Atenza is a tyre-chewing hog. I've found that, generally, starting on the hards and running the fuel tank down helps preserve the tyre life on later sets, if only a little. I can get a lap more out of last stint softs than first stint...

I don't know how it'll go here, and the fuel use isn't very high, but I'll probably try 3H then two 3S stints, or 5H and 4S if that's possible.

The less time you spend on hards the better, especially on these longer tracks with so many high-speed sweeping turns that you need fresh tires for. 2 laps on hards equals almost one pit stop’s worth of lost time. It’s a track that garners a similar strategy as Yamagiwa+Miyabi, where ditching the hards immediately and sacrificing a pit stop is surprisingly faster. Even 3-lap worn softs are faster than hards without major mistakes. If you’re gonna stay out longer than 1-2 laps on hards you might as well run them for 5 laps to eliminate that extra stop, otherwise you’re not reaping the full benefit of the 2-stop.

edit: traffic could be the deciding factor though, I think 2-stop is faster for AWD or FF cars but depending on the lobby you’re in and how much non-sensical fighting you anticipate, you might wanna do the one-stop.

 

[stpatty]

LOTS of tyre penalties in my second attempt. Including the winner. Including a Mustang who ended up 15th although I tried to let him pass me on lap 3, only for him to pit at the end of it while barely managing to stay ahead once I let him through. Ended up 2nd by 3.6 seconds, and I think the Scirocco who won(!) had an incident somewhere on the last lap, so I could've been close.

Oh well, 2nd for 97 points and an infinitely better experience than first time. I one-stopped btw. 5 laps on hard, 4 on soft. I don't think I had any traffic when I came out, and only had one car behind me who I quickly dropped in the first few corners.

 

[Famine]

The less time you spend on hards the better, especially on these longer tracks with so many high-speed sweeping turns that you need fresh tires for. 2 laps on hards equals almost one pit stop’s worth of lost time. It’s a track that garners a similar strategy as Yamagiwa+Miyabi, where ditching the hards immediately and sacrificing a pit stop is surprisingly faster. Even 3-lap worn softs are faster than hards without major mistakes. If you’re gonna stay out longer than 1-2 laps on hards you might as well run them for 5 laps to eliminate that extra stop, otherwise you’re not reaping the full benefit of the 2-stop.

edit: traffic could be the deciding factor though, I think 2-stop is faster for AWD or FF cars but depending on the lobby you’re in and how much non-sensical fighting you anticipate, you might wanna do the one-stop.

Welp, got nailed into the big back straight braking zone lap one, so pitted to do 4S/4S, then had a nob in a BMW M4 ramming everyone and a nob in an RCZ swerving all over to block and side swipe.

4S/4S sorta works, but it's really nasty to drive and there's no room for error through the bends onto the Bridge, in the horrible Bridge braking zone, the right-hander onto the back straight, and then through the village L/L/R/L/L at the end of the lap. Maybe 1 to 1.5s a lap slower on worn softs than on good ones, and probably 2s a lap quicker than on new hards.

 

[LVS_1986]

LOTS of tyre penalties in my second attempt. Including the winner. Including a Mustang who ended up 15th although I tried to let him pass me on lap 3, only for him to pit at the end of it while barely managing to stay ahead once I let him through. Ended up 2nd by 3.6 seconds, and I think the Scirocco who won(!) had an incident somewhere on the last lap, so I could've been close.

Oh well, 2nd for 97 points and an infinitely better experience than first time. I one-stopped btw. 5 laps on hard, 4 on soft. I don't think I had any traffic when I came out, and only had one car behind me who I quickly dropped in the first few corners.

Hey man, I was in that race too starting on pole in Jaguar, I choose bad tyre strategy s3/s3/h3 ended 5th

 

[CodeRedR51]

I was planning on doing 3H/3S/3S but might switch that to 2H/4S/3S. The Aston, for me at least, is much quicker on Softs and I can rip it pretty good. The soft tires fall way off after 3-4 laps for me so trying to one stop with hards/softs equally will cost me more time I believe than doing 2 stops. We'll see how it goes...

 

[stpatty]

Hey man, I was in that race too starting on pole in Jaguar, I choose bad tyre strategy s3/s3/h3 ended 5th

Ah, yes. I watched the replay to see what you and the other guy were arguing about and was surprised to see you on hards at the end. Good luck if you try again.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

2nd good race in 2 days. Qualifying went ok, but didn't get a slipstream or really do a good lap, but somehow ended up in 6th. Figured I could just try and hold on to the faster peoples slipstream, so went for softs to begin with and hoped to make a gap for when my tyres melted on my VW Scirocco.

Managed to pick up a place on the 1st lap on the back straight when I got the overspeed on the Alfa who started just ahead of me, then lost it at the end of the esses when the Ferarri on hard tyres was really slow. Luckily I managed to moses both of them on the pit straight, so that bumped me up to 4th.

The 2 guys ahead were on hards so I hunted them down and managed to get past (Pass on the Mclaren around the outside of the corner into the back straight was really fun, and thanks to the guy for not putting me into the wall). Unfortunately my tyres cant last 5 laps, so I went for a 2 stop. It kinda worked, but unfortunately for me the guy in 1st pitted on lap 5 for his set of hards and I got a little stuck behind him. I did make a couple of attempts to pass him, but hit the wall once and that was my tyres burned so I just tried not to harass him and hoped he was going fast enough.

2nd pitstop on lap 8 dropped me to 5th, and I was about 4 secs behind the group that was hunting down the leader, so wasn't much I could do but accept my 5th place and move on. Pretty happy tbh as didn't expect much with the tyre wear being so high.

 

[Hasnain282]

Was in a relatively lower split thanks to shambles of a race I had in Nations yesterday. I did 2 runs in quali and ended up getting a slipstream for most of my final lap which ended up giving me pole position. Got overtaken by the 2nd placed Jag on lap but we had a nice gap behind so decided not to battle. The Jag pitted lap 4 for hard tyres whereas I went for the extra lap. Pitted for hards but was then overtaken by a 2 stopping NSX on softs. Tried to keep up as much as possible and thankfully was in the lead going into the last lap once they pitted. Had 3 cars behind me now in relatively close proximity, luckily for me 2nd and 3rd had a battle at the start of the lap which gave me the slight buffer I needed to bring home the win. My first FIA win in quite a long time! Actually ended up gaining more DR than I lost from the race yesterday surprisingly.
I probably should've gone onto softs when I pitted and just tried to pull away in clean air before pitting for hards but luckily it worked out in the end.

 

[LVS_1986]

Ah, yes. I watched the replay to see what you and the other guy were arguing about and was surprised to see you on hards at the end. Good luck if you try again.

Thanks but Im done for today, 85 points is good for me. This guy was funny, he hit me 4,5 times and think that if he doesnt have penalty it was ok... I hope hes satisfied whith his "style". Btw I sended You request on PSN

 

[Tidgney]

Streaming the last 2 time slots... if you want to see how bad FF cars really are or the struggle of tyres then feel free to join in! We're out to have fun anyway so pushing as hard as we can !




P.s. 0 practice mind

 

[Famine]

Welp, got nailed into the big back straight braking zone lap one, so pitted to do 4S/4S, then had a nob in a BMW M4 ramming everyone and a nob in an RCZ swerving all over to block and side swipe.

4S/4S sorta works, but it's really nasty to drive and there's no room for error through the bends onto the Bridge, in the horrible Bridge braking zone, the right-hander onto the back straight, and then through the village L/L/R/L/L at the end of the lap. Maybe 1 to 1.5s a lap slower on worn softs than on good ones, and probably 2s a lap quicker than on new hards.

This time the traffic worked out better - 7th, although should have been 4th but I got battered in the final corner by 5 cars on lap 6...

 

[Jayceon47]

Do I even have to explain this??

 

[Winnie847]

got battered in the final corner by 5 cars on lap 6...

just gonna take a guess that after review, the stewards issued no penalties

 

[barak181]

Finally, got my practice lap down to 2:19.1xx which I think should be competitive in DR.C. Anybody figure out the best pit strategy for FF cars? I was thinking @Pigems idea of 1H/4S/4S but after a few practice rounds with tire wear on, I don't know if the Meghane can go 4 laps with RS.

 

[Winnie847]

Finally, got my practice lap down to 2:19.1xx which I think should be competitive in DR.C. Anybody figure out the best pit strategy for FF cars? I was thinking @Pigems idea of 1H/4S/4S but after a few practice rounds with tire wear on, I don't know if the Meghane can go 4 laps with RS.

sounds like a decent time to me, for DR-C. For an FF car, I would say you either have to go with 3H/3S/3S, or 2H/3S/4S. Lighter fuel at the end might enable you to run 4 laps on softs. Also, something else you can do is turn TCS to 1 to save tires when you're using softs. It might be the difference between being able to make them last 3 or 4 laps. Also move your BB to +5 if you haven't already, it'll save the fronts a tiny bit and the car's handling doesn't change all that much in FF cars.

 

[barak181]

sounds like a decent time to me, for DR-C. For an FF car, I would say you either have to go with 3H/3S/3S, or 2H/3S/4S. Lighter fuel at the end might enable you to run 4 laps on softs. Also, something else you can do is turn TCS to 1 to save tires when you're using softs. It might be the difference between being able to make them last 3 or 4 laps. Also move your BB to +5 if you haven't already, it'll save the fronts a tiny bit and the car's handling doesn't change all that much in FF cars.

BB's already set to +5 but this thing just tears through front tires. I'll try some laps with TCS 1 and see what that does.

 

[Odiesback]

Settled with a practice time of 2:17.9 in the M4.

Did some practice races in the Lobby and I didn’t have enough gas for 4S/4S/1H.., instead 2 last laps on Hard. Had to get a splash in last stop.

Going in in a few

 

[skyline1683]

Whats your PSN bud I'd say you were in most of my races as I had him in them. Not just him but two other drivers from the same nation were just wiping people out all over the place. I got wrecked in all 4 races after qualifying in top 5 for last two and trying to be careful of others but that got me nowhere. Royal rumble is the perfect description of what it was

supra2510

 

[Pigems]

Settled with a practice time of 2:17.9 in the M4.

Did some practice races in the Lobby and I didn’t have enough gas for 4S/4S/1H.., instead 2 last laps on Hard. Had to get a splash in last stop.

Going in in a few

I’ve been having to grab like .75 laps of fuel on one of the two stops as well. Good Luck tonight!

 

[CodeRedR51]

NA time slot #1 coming up in a few. Streaming with (not very much) commentary.

Edit: Offline

 

[barak181]

Server just booted me out of the race lobby!

Edit: See! I even took a screen shot of the lobby before I got disconnected! WTH PD? My PS stayed connected, heck even the game stayed connected!

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

A really frustrating night. Qualified 6th. Was 0.8 seconds up on my flying lap and just went over the line too much to get a penalty. Would have possibly been top 2.

Ended up getting stuck in the middle pack which was just horrible. Could not get past slower cars. Spent the whole race with a car stuck on my front bumper. And when I did finally get a chance to overtake, got crushed against the fence time and time again by people knowing they wouldn’t get a penalty.

 

[CodeRedR51]

One and done for me again tonight. For those that didn't tune into the live stream, a quick summary:

Had a weird glitch before the race where it wouldn't allow me to put anything but RH tires on the car in the settings menu. Went out to the lobby and tried there and it was the same, but then it would allow me to select RS but not RH. Just glad it let me select RS finally. In qualifying decided to fuel burn a bit. Probably didn't do it long enough but oh well, I hate doing it anyway. Came in for a fresh set of tires and went out to try and collect a good time. Someone in an Alfa latched onto the back of me unfortunately and I don't know what he was doing but tried to pass me or something IN THE LAST CORNER and bumped into me. In a panic I downshifted 2 gears instead of 1 and lost a bunch of time. Started P8. Still a lot of people that need to learn some on-track etiquette.

Quickly moved past a few cars that probably started on RH tires and made my way up to 2nd. Lost a couple spots just before pitting due to people not letting me back on track after having a small off. Pit at the end of lap 3 and took RH tires. Came back out around 12th. Actually managed to pass a few people and came back in 2 laps later to go back to softs. Came out in around the same spot as the last stop, then through some incidents and some legit passes, climbed back up to and would finish 5th for 231 pts.

Edit: Also gambled and took zero fuel on my stops and crossed the line with 0.1 laps remaining.

As it's been so far this season, I'm happy with that and will move on. Skipping Wednesday's race because it's stupid and will see everyone at Interlagos.

 

[Odiesback]

All right! I think I’m done for the night! Had a great race!

Got matched in all DR S/As lobby. Had number 18 on the door. Qualified 9th.
Finished 8th and was able to get 126 points

Started on softs and ended up doing 4S/3S/2H stints with a refueling of 1.2 laps! Ran on BB +4 and TCS 0.

Got hit few times but I was able to keep the car on the track every time. Other than that it was a clean race.

Wishing you all good luck for the rest of the night!

 

[Pigems]

Well, that went better than expected. I messed up my Q lap on the second last corner but somehow still ended up qualifying 4th. Started on RH and went for the 1H/4S/4S strategy and it worked out well enough that I’m not going back again. Ended up finishing 3rd place for 196 pts.

 

[watto79]

So driving the OP Alfa 4C in this event means only I can mess it up?

First attempt qualify 3rd. Now, while the 4C is fantastic on tyres and has good pace at St. Croix B it is still a sitting duck on the straights. I get swallowed up by the pack, spin myself once and then get spun by an out of control Porsche to finish 17th. We must do better.

Second attempt, I only go and stick it on pole!!
The race starts and myself along with a Viper and a WRX have a small gap to P4. I really really wanted to work as a team to build a cushion and fight it out later. However they were hell bent on fighting for every corner. I spend most of the time following them around while they tussle for position while the P4 Porsche closes the gap. On lap 4 their tyres were going off and I retake the lead. At the end of the lap the Viper, WRX and Porsche all dive into the pits finally giving me clean air and no pressure to worry about. Its at this point I realise that following the fighting cars means my tyres are still in fantastic condition. On lap 6 I'm setting blue sectors and toy with the idea of staying out for a 7th lap, but think better of it and stick to the plan. The even better news is that obviously the cars behind weren't working together to close the gap and are still fighting with each other, and I now have an 11 second lead to P2. Couldn't believe I could pit from the lead and come out without losing the position. The trend continues and I'm able to drive within my comfort zone and cross the line with a 6 second gap for my second ever FIA win. Funnily enough my other win was an utterly boring race too!

I'd love to take all the credit but when my car is totally overpowered on tyre wear and the lobby worked to make my life as easy as possible it wouldn't really be right. Over the moon with the first decent result in a good long while though

 

[LitleFela]

100% that latency is to blame. I think latency becomes a bigger issue the "faster" the cars get with the decreased reaction time required to avoid contact. His movements and your movements from his perspective are delayed by around 0.3 of a second. IMHO - thats far too slow to have a reasonable race without the game applying some significant ghosting. His saving grace is that he is usually fast enough to start from the front and pull away... but still I think it makes it hard for other players to overtake him, and vice versa, cleanly if you can't get within ~0.3s without running the risk of a collision.

Yeah I've heard people say he has a bubble of about a foot around his car and go within that and it registers as contact. First time I've experienced it, makes it pretty hard to race closely

 

[skyline1683]

Well what can you say , without a penalty system it’s like surviving the apocalypse with a plastic spoon as your only defence.

The 1st three slots was with out doubt some of the worst driving I’ve seen from some A+S rated drivers it was so bad and I was taken out so many times that my DR took a 3k hit , so much for being on the verge of A+ rating .

4th race thou I managed to start 14th curtesy of he/she who shall not be named deliberately blocking me in qualifying when I was 1.2 seconds up by slamming on the brakes on the back straight.
Still managed to start on the hards put on lap 6 and blitz in to 6th with fastest lap and only 4.3 seconds behind the winner for a decent 166pts .

really hope they sort the pens out soon as it’s just becoming a game of survival with no race craft evident in the last two nights worth of racing .