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Looks reasonable:

More power and weight for the Alfa, NSX and the Megane Trophy - better straight line speed but worse tyre wear
Less power and weight for the RCZ, Megane, Audi, Aston and Corvette. - better tyre wear
More power for the Subaru and Mitsubishi - better straight line speed
Less power for Jag, Merc & Lexus - needed a little bit of a nerf as they were very strong in gr.4

Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure the VW needed a bump, but will take it :)
 
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I feel like it will still be the META. It's downforce hasn't been adjusted. Plus, giving it more power is probably the worse thing PD could have done. Not only can it not be out-cornered, drive out of corner exit is enhanced. Race B it'll be a killer.
We are reading this different. I read it as less horsepower, more weight.


I must have been sleep reading... It got more power. Silly me
 
We are reading this different. I read it as less horsepower, more weight.
More power (11hp more) and more weight (48kg more). Which is what it needed - it was dog slow in a straight line (more power fixes that), but much faster through corners and later on the brakes (more weight ameliorates that).
 
I felt the same when I first saw it, but in fairness the Jag was perhaps a tad overpowered in a straight line so I can understand the change. It also looks like all the other FR power cars have had a similar nerf so it might be okay!

The straight line speed was what helped to negate the brutal tire wear though, now she’ll just be slow everywhere I’m guessing.
 
The straight line speed was what helped to negate the brutal tire wear though, now she’ll just be slow everywhere I’m guessing.
Well, with 10hp less to load up the tyres every time you stomp the fun pedal, it MIGHT mitigate some of that wear.

Y'know, if you're optimistic. You're a Jag driver anyway, you should be focused on how many hotel soaps and complimentary condiments you can stuff in the glovebox, not how competitive it is :)
 
The straight line speed was what helped to negate the brutal tire wear though, now she’ll just be slow everywhere I’m guessing.

i not found tyre wear that bad in jag although I’m adjusting BB constantly for different sectors of tracks so I’m probably balancing it out across the whole race
 
The BoP'd DBR9 has 564BHP and weighs in at 1,243kg. This makes it the lightest Gr.3 car and not at all short of power. Can't wait to see how this thing handles but on paper this looks to be potentially overpowered?
Did a 10 lap run in TT at Maggiore on RH tyres to see how it compares to the Vantage.

In terms of the best lap it was a couple of tenths quicker
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But in terms of optimal splits it was a tenth slower
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Obviously I'm nowhere near the absolute limit of these cars and this doesn't take into account fuel and tyre wear. I'm sure an alien will be able to give a more representative comparison but this should at least give a rough idea of how it compares.
 
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Citroen made the world final in 2018 when 16 manufacturers qualified instead of 12. I imagine given the change of only the top 3 regions scores count for each manufacturer the aliens can be even more spread out than last year and it will be a tighter contest near the bubble

Yeah I mean since they reduced the number to 12, it feels like it's always the same manufacturers that shows up to the live events. Tidgney already said he won't be campaigning for Audi this year, so that's the last FF/4WD Gr.4 gone. I don't know whether it's logistics/cost, but personally I'd like 3 representatives from all 25 manufacturers in the live events. Then they can get whittled down to the final 12 for the final race similar to the Nations Cup format.

I mean Mazda and Lambo has never even been to a live event apparently. How bad would it look for them if they didn't make it this year either (as this is likely the last year we'll be using GT Sport before moving on to PS5).

It was already like that last year, nations was dead around halfway through the season and now this year the world final entrants have been reduced for all regions it's probably going to be even more dead pretty quickly. Realistically there's 8 guys that have a sniff of qualifying for nations from Oceania the rest of us are just fighting for the rest of the spots in the top 16 races. Also with the reduction in the world final participants is the removal of what I call the "1 kiwi guaranteed" rule because of the country cap. Given the way manufacturers is setup manu will be way more popular in Oceania because the chances of going to a WT are quite high even if you aren't a top tier alien.

Yeah the bar for Nations is ridiculously high. Especially when you realise that one spot is already reserved for a guy that doesn't even live in the region :lol: I still do both championships anyway. Nations often has more varied combos, while Manu is cool because you really get to know your car for the whole season. Unless they have another one make road car series I know I'm not really WT material anyway (or if by some stroke of luck I qualify, I'm just gonna be a backmarker :lol:), so it's all just for fun and learning. No sense thinking too hard about points and whatnot.

The annoying thing about less people participating in Nations is my stable DR is just on the dividing line between top and second split. So even though my performance is consistent, my points can vary wildly from one race to the next. Kinda wish top split is reserved for DR A+ people only, even if it ends up less than a full lobby, so the racing can be a lot closer.
 
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Jag nerfed, there goes the rest of my season. :(
It might not be that bad for any race where you have to short shift a little all race to save fuel, as I THINK you'll now be able to shift a little later to get the power and fuel consumption back to the same place as before the BOP change. It's hard to be sure exactly, though, as we're talking about quite a small change, but I just tried a race against AI that I'd done last night before the BOP change, and it seemed like the fuel lasted more easily. I was 2.3 seconds slower over a 22.5 minute race, but I think I can close that gap a bit by shifting a bit later in the earlier laps.
 
Gr.4 has had a big old BoP update.

https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/news/00_5612949.html

EDIT - The BoP'd DBR9 has 564BHP and weighs in at 1,243kg. This makes it the lightest Gr.3 car and not at all short of power. Can't wait to see how this thing handles but on paper this looks to be potentially overpowered?

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The Gr. 4 'Vette did understeer a bit much for my liking, so maybe this will let me get some better tire wear out of it. It was never overpowered though, so I'm not sure why they took off 9hp.
 
Added weight to the Hyundai that it didn't need. Go figure.

Yeah that was definitely one of the stranger ones. The Hyundai had very little in the way of redeeming features, and they made it worse. What do they have against Hyundai :confused:

Kinda hilarious that they did nothing with Mazda. They've looked at the results that car is picking up and gone "Yep, that one's fine as is" :lol:

Some people are frustrated that BoP's been changed mid-season, and I get that as it's moving the goal posts after you're committed to a manufacturer which is not great. I think the best way to look at it is that we at least get to do some FIA races with this BoP and get a feel for how everything is affected. There's basically no time between the pre-season and the 2020 proper season so we get some decent test races now before making the final 2020 manufacturer decision.

Of course it would have been better to change the BoP before the pre-season, but y'know .... PD.
 
Yeah that was definitely one of the stranger ones. The Hyundai had very little in the way of redeeming features, and they made it worse. What do they have against Hyundai :confused:

Kinda hilarious that they did nothing with Mazda. They've looked at the results that car is picking up and gone "Yep, that one's fine as is" :lol:

Some people are frustrated that BoP's been changed mid-season, and I get that as it's moving the goal posts after you're committed to a manufacturer which is not great. I think the best way to look at it is that we at least get to do some FIA races with this BoP and get a feel for how everything is affected. There's basically no time between the pre-season and the 2020 proper season so we get some decent test races now before making the final 2020 manufacturer decision.

Of course it would have been better to change the BoP before the pre-season, but y'know .... PD.

The mid season change is my biggest gripe with it, they probably just screwed over a lot of people for the rest of the pre season.
 
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I think they just wanted to get the new BoP out there so they can see if there is anything obviously wrong with it. If there is, I wouldn't be surprised if there is another BoP tweak before the main season, as they really don't want to change anything during that.

Personally I think the BoP tweaks look good, they should bring the gr.4 cars a bit closer together without removing the individuality of them. Not sure they have gone far enough on the Audi, Renault Megane and Peugeot cars (I think they should have reduced power and weight even more) but it is worth a shot to have more people spread over the manufacturers.
 
Yeah that was definitely one of the stranger ones. The Hyundai had very little in the way of redeeming features, and they made it worse. What do they have against Hyundai :confused:

Kinda hilarious that they did nothing with Mazda. They've looked at the results that car is picking up and gone "Yep, that one's fine as is" :lol:

Some people are frustrated that BoP's been changed mid-season, and I get that as it's moving the goal posts after you're committed to a manufacturer which is not great. I think the best way to look at it is that we at least get to do some FIA races with this BoP and get a feel for how everything is affected. There's basically no time between the pre-season and the 2020 proper season so we get some decent test races now before making the final 2020 manufacturer decision.

Of course it would have been better to change the BoP before the pre-season, but y'know .... PD.

The mid season change is my biggest gripe with it, they probably just screwed over a lot of people for the rest of the pre season.

I think they just wanted to get the new BoP out there so they can see if there is anything obviously wrong with it. If there is, I wouldn't be surprised if there is another BoP tweak before the main season, as they really don't want to change anything during that.

Personally I think the BoP tweaks look good, they should bring the gr.4 cars a bit closer together without removing the individuality of them. Not sure they have gone far enough on the Audi, Renault Megane and Peugeot cars (I think they should have reduced power and weight even more) but it is worth a shot to have more people spread over the manufacturers.
It's like real world BOP adjustments during a racing calendar.

Well, next week will be the best time to test all adjusted Gr.4 cars. Daily Race B is at Monza.
 
The mid season change is my biggest gripe with it, they probably just screwed over a lot of people for the rest of the pre season.
With a further change in my shift points, I got the difference vs the previous BOP down to 1.8 seconds over the whole race for the next Gr.4 race. Yes, that can be important, and it will make more difference for qualifying than the race, but it's not THAT big a change in race time. When I tested 13 different Gr.4 cars for a previous FIA race, the difference between the fastest and slowest was over 12 seconds. And, of course, most people who picked Jag did so because it was OP, so we all know it has only been brought back into line. It's a bit puzzling why other strong cars like the 650S and 86 haven't also had some adjustment, but I don't think anyone can really say the Jag wasn't OP.

Edit: I just tried the Citroen and McLaren for the next Manufacturer Gr.4 race. The Citroen was 0.9 seconds slower than the Jag, and the McLaren a further 0.2 seconds slower (for total race time, not 1 lap!). The McLaren was only slower because it's 5x fuel (I did the race twice, and it was quicker to add 14% fuel at the pitstop, rather than slowing down to make the fuel last). I'd take the McLaren over the other two for qualifying pace.
 
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