FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Odiesback]

Going in!! Haven’t had much luck from Gr.4 races so far... let’s see what happens!

 

[Pigems]

One and done tonight, kind of an uneventful race really. Not great points, but it’s enough that I don’t wanna risk going again.

 

[milehighmadd]

One and done tonight, kind of an uneventful race really. Not great points, but it’s enough that I don’t wanna risk going again.

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Talk about cutting it close to not getting that last qualifying lap in. Quite impressive.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

So you say it´s a one stop soft for soft trying to avoid refueling... What are the lap times to make it work? I´m clocking 46.7 to 46.9 but tyres wont last half of the race... I was one of the guys thinking about a two stopper

What car are you using? The softs easily last 14-15 laps for most cars if you manage it properly early in the stint. The only ones who probably couldn't are FF cars, but this track is a dud for them anyway so I'd probably miss this race if I was driving one. Your laptimes are more than fine (probably a bit too fast so that's why you're destroying your tyres early). I was running low 48s fresh and on worn tyres was 0.5 sec slower. Consistency is key here. No point gong fast for only 5 laps if you're going to suffer the next 10.

There was a similar combo last year with the Gr.3 cars, where it's more touch and go whether 1 stop or 2 stop is faster. IIRC the delta between fresh and worn tyres were 1 second then. With Gr.4 cars the time loss is less so you're better off trying to manage on track rather than doing an extra stop and risk getting blocked by traffic.

 

[Pigems]

Talk about cutting it close to not getting that last qualifying lap in. Quite impressive.

I got lucky as 🤬 on that lap!

 

[Odiesback]

SURVIVED IT!! Kinda...

Not confident at all coming into this thing.

#3 on the door, qualified 10th and managed to bring the M4 to cross the line in 9th... not too bad considering I was punted in T1 and sent to dead last on lap whatever... no choice but keep on going!

Did a S10-S9-S9... all out and no fuel saving... I tried to conserve using FM2 but it’s hard to get separation with less power... the key was not to be in middle of packs...

Not ideal, got 102 points, which does nothing to my overall score... only slot I can try again will be at 22:20.

Maybe see you guys there!

 

[CurbHog]

Manufacturers Race #5
Wow, this was a difficult race.
In practice I could never drive a one stop on the Softs with McLaren 650S and not hurt badly the last 2-3 laps in the 14 lap stint.
In my race, a few started on Mediums ...
It was hard to get a good lap in qualifying and I started in 18th.
My strategy was S/S and run stints of 14 laps..
Given the time I lost on the recked tires, I could probably have benefitted from a two stopper ?

Watch and see me struggle as the tires gets RECKED

 

[milehighmadd]

There was a similar combo last year with the Gr.3 cars, where it's more touch and go whether 1 stop or 2 stop is faster. IIRC the delta between fresh and worn tyres were 1 second then. With Gr.4 cars the time loss is less so you're better off trying to manage on track rather than doing an extra stop and risk getting blocked by traffic.

Found that a 2-stopper would likely save you 1-3s. Granted I'm on a pad so my braking isn't all too smooth.

23.20 -- 9S/10s fuel/9s
23.21 -- 17m fuel/11s
23.23 -- 14s fuel/14m

 

[Rods]

From P20 to P8, a meager points tally, but there's no way I'm not going back there!

Qualy was destroyed by the mess that Maggiore Center becomes with 20 cars trying to get a lap in in less that 5 mins.

But the race went ok (though not for a lack of trying - see video).

Pulled off a 19RH/9RS and I'm even proud of it (Lambo's a bit of a front tire killer) to steadily rise from 20th to 8th. The race was good, the result was horrible, but it's definitely not worth trying again.


*luckily I saw it coming and had time/space to react and release the brakes. it was damn close

 

[GerseyCX]

One and done tonight, kind of an uneventful race really. Not great points, but it’s enough that I don’t wanna risk going again.

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I was chasing you most of this race. Well Done!

 

[Pigems]

I was chasing you most of this race. Well Done!

Thanks man, Same to you!

That was fun, you were catching me in the last couple of corners and then I’d gain a bit back in T1. You made it very hard to save fuel/tires. If it wasn’t for having the draft of the guys ahead of me I think you’d have caught me. Sorry again about the bump too, totally accidental.

 

[GerseyCX]

Thanks man, Same to you!

That was fun, you were catching me in the last couple of corners and then I’d gain a bit back in T1. You made it very hard to save fuel/tires. If it wasn’t for having the draft of the guys ahead of me I think you’d have caught me. Sorry again about the bump too, totally accidental.

I kept waiting for your Jag's tires to die. But looks like you managed them nicely.

 

[8l23ub]

Had a nice race from13th to 8th in the manufacturers race, the Ferrari was better than I ex[pected. There were penalties flying around, luckily none of them flew my way and competitors seemed quite well behaved.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Found that a 2-stopper would likely save you 1-3s. Granted I'm on a pad so my braking isn't all too smooth.

23.20 -- 9S/10s fuel/9s
23.21 -- 17m fuel/11s
23.23 -- 14s fuel/14m

If you test alone under perfect conditions then yes on paper 2 stop maybe faster. But remember in a race with unpredictable traffic + draft helping a 1 stopper, 1-3 seconds really isn't that much difference. You get blocked for 2 laps and that's your advantage gone.

Everyone has a different style but my personal approach with strategy is always look at bigger picture (not always the exact race time down to seconds) and choose the most robust strategy that doesn't get affected by "external" disturbances. So if you run 100 different race simulations, which strategy will give you the highest probability of finishing ahead? It's not always the one fluke result that is the fastest in absolute time.

Of course, if you're Mik Hizal and you start on pole everytime and can pull away the choice is simple and you always go with minimum race time. But chances are, you're not

 

[roamingbard13]

Did someone say something about a Jag’s tires giving up on life???

Lap 27 (lap 13 on this set of tires):





It ended up being okay, though. I started P10 and just bided time. The two stop no fuel strategy served me well. I spent most of my second stint in 1st because people bailed for their second stop. I short shifted and drafted as much as I could. Running so many laps in front at the end didn’t leave me enough fuel to really fight back against the guy in second who had fuel and tires to spare after his second stop. He closed a 3+ second gap over the last 6 laps until my tires gave out. Either way, a great result in the end:

One and done tonight. I don’t love RBR or Nurb, so I’m not sure I’ll race again in the pre-season.

 

[GTWolverine]

One of those nights where I can't stop being a dumb:censored: again. 1st race (3rd slot), placed in a higher split than I'm used to, but probably could've had a top 10 or close to it if not for a stupid penalty for being on the outside of the final turn and touching someone. Finished 15th and even that was a gift because a Cayman ran out of gas just before the line. 4th time slot and I miss every single apex in qualifying to start 18th of 20. I decide to start on Mediums and actually gain a few spots and can see the Top 10 a few cars ahead of me and getting bunched up when I take the idiot line through the final corner and crash into the wall on the exit. Finished 18th after 2 others quit, 2 laps down after giving up and just throwing the car around in impotent rage for the last half of the race. I probably should've just quit since it probably wouldn't have hurt my DR much worse. Here comes the final slot...here's hoping I can stop being an idiot for 30 minutes and get a decent result and not waste an evening.

EDIT:
Nope, couldn't avoid being an idiot. I actually felt like I got all I could get out of qualifying and still only lined up 14th. In the race I was holding steady in my 1st stint on the Mediums, until I AGAIN hit the wall on the exit of the last turn. Fortunately I somehow caught the wall with the rear of my car instead of impacting it with the front, this avoiding engine damage. I soldiered on (because I didn't have a choice in the last slot of the night) and passed many of the 2-stoppers, got passed on the last corner of the last lap by an Evo who I then repassed when he ran wide and hit the same wall I hit earlier, then passed the other Corvette in the race just before the line as they ran out of fuel to finish 9th for 133 pts. I also finished 7 seconds behind 8th, so even without my collision I probably would've only done 1 spot better. Still I'm disappointed. I'm scoring roughly 20 more points on average this season in the Nations Cup than last season, but I'm performing much worse in Manufacturer's (barely scraping Top 10s when I was regularly on the podium last season).

 

[JoeDaSnow]

At round 5 of the Manufacturers Series, I had started 7th and finished 8th. My points total is now at 89.

 

[Odiesback]

My second attempt was pretty much ruined by the idiot in the video.
I found a gap as he went too wide and we made contact as I passed him. Since he was on the outside he got 2s penalty. That seems to have set him off because after that he did nothing short of chasing me down and making sure my race was over. He succeeded.still managed to finish in 14th.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Not a happy day at the office. Third attempt was the best one and even there I was getting frustrated.

 

[milehighmadd]

If you test alone under perfect conditions then yes on paper 2 stop maybe faster. But remember in a race with unpredictable traffic + draft helping a 1 stopper, 1-3 seconds really isn't that much difference. You get blocked for 2 laps and that's your advantage gone.

Everyone has a different style but my personal approach with strategy is always look at bigger picture (not always the exact race time down to seconds) and choose the most robust strategy that doesn't get affected by "external" disturbances. So if you run 100 different race simulations, which strategy will give you the highest probability of finishing ahead (not necessarily the one fluke result that is the fastest in absolute time).

Of course, if you're Mik Hizal and you start on pole everytime and can pull away the choice is simple and you always go with minimum race time. But chances are, you're not

Strangely enough, I have to credit the 1-stop strategy for moving me up 5 spots. Had a poor showing at the back of the grid and wasn't gaining ground nor losing much. Was already 15s behind at the start so only hope was gaining 7-9s for taking away a pit. Lap times on medium seemed equal if not better than softs.

Hopefully do better at Sardegna coming up. Hated the track the first 15 minutes on it but think it might be a new favorite, especially trying to nail the downhill corkscrew section at end of sector 1 without braking.

 

[das89ca]

What's the one make in Nations at Monza? I am at work, so don't have access to the game to check...

 

[watto79]

What's the one make in Nations at Monza? I am at work, so don't have access to the game to check...

The mighty SuperFormula! And strictly speaking it's a two make as you can use Toyota or Honda

It's also a standing start ...... at Monza. So that'll be interesting!

 

[das89ca]

Standing start, Monza and very fast cars. Umm, what could go wrong?

Ok, need to grind some DR on Brands Hatch today and tomorrow so I can still stay in A level after this and the Ferrari mess in Manu.

I think Sardegna only Hard tyres are required, right? That's gonna be fun trying to keep the Gr.3 car on the track...

 

[Hasnain282]

I've done several F1 League races at Monza and they're generally normally cleaner than you think at the start... Ah who am I kidding this is Sport Mode

Hards are the only tyres available for Sardegna so no mandatory requirements as it's basically enforced anyway.

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I did a few TT laps at the Sardegna track last night with Fire's ghost on, and it is kinda hilarious to see how strong the GTR is on the straight. Managed to get down to a 1:20.8 after a few laps, so I think a lot of cars should be competitive even if the track looks like it will favour power cars.

Looks like it could be a fun race, as long as you can avoid the penalties and making mistakes.

 

[Rods]

Standing start, Monza and very fast cars. Umm, what could go wrong?

with the current penalty system, I’m very worried about how the actual FIA season will go

 

[juanito0585]

What car are you using? The softs easily last 14-15 laps for most cars if you manage it properly early in the stint.

Thanks for the answer! I´m with Ferrari until nurburgring. Got home and entered a lobby and just put 14 laps with no too much problem saving fuel.

So after that entered the second slot (CSA) Qualy P10, last lap was purple on S1, having a really good lap on the draft of a Corvette but we found traffic at the left hander after the S and that ruined our times. Went for the one stopper and had a pretty nice race considered the amount of time I lost due to mistaskes mostly. First of all, I was cruising in P11 taking advantage of the draft and watching after the tyres... by lap 7 or so I started to get faster than the guys in front of me. Then, this happened.



Kept going and picked up places as many drivers where two stopping, I was chasing a Honda whit fresh rubber when got too excited and visited the wall of champions at last turn, not only lost time due to the mistake but also took a penalty. Then I catched the same citroen, managed to get the inside on the hairpin, went for a pass on the outside of last turn and guess what... yeap... +2 secs (no one went out of track, I didnt even managed to make it stick)

After all the problems P7 and 148 points was not bad but I was feeling like I could do more.

Went for third slot and was matched with a hell of a group. Door number 17. Qualy went bad, went for a flyer early and catched the guy I was drafting so lost time on the last sector. 48.2 Kept burning fuel and with fresh tyres went for the last chance but nobody was near... so had to do it on my own and managed 48.1 which was only good for P16. Not happy

Again went for the one stop without refuelling. No big mistakes this time, but a really strong group of drivers. P10 for 139 points

So after all, I traded 9 points for 100 DR I´m almost 42K now, my highest level ever... feels like it´s going to be hard to keep up

 

[GTWolverine]

The mighty SuperFormula! And strictly speaking it's a two make as you can use Toyota or Honda

It's also a standing start ...... at Monza. So that'll be interesting!

I predict half the field has 2s contact penalties after the 1st chicane . I also wonder how the racing will play out on a track with such long straights in cars that were already slamming the rev limiter in top gear at a place like Autopolis.

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

I had a really fun and intense race last night in NA Top Split. I had a decent qualifying lap (for me), but being in the top split I still started 16th and made it up to 6th before the checker.

Enjoy the ride!

 

[Roman_GT23]

Last night was truly a **** show as I predicted.

1st attempt. Qualified 6th. Someone barged their way on the inside (not bad to put me off track but I did have to trail brake longer than I anticapted. I get a 2 second penalty -__- 🤬. Then I hit that stupid wall on the last turn. Finished 10th

2nd attempt. Qualified 4th. Was up to 3rd before my first pit stop. Everything was going really well. Stopped for my 2nd stop and I still finished 10th while everyone in front of me did a 1 stopper

Screw this race lol. On to Saradegna for me