FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[afc5150]

Here's the highlight of last night.

Not an isolated incident with that guy. Been in many races with him and have seen many similar or worse cases. Pretty much the reason there needs to be a better reporting system or banning action.

 

[ivann]

lets toss a coin

 

[breeminator]

Did slot 2, but put in a poor qualifying lap for 11th on the grid. Worked my way up to 5th for a gain of 700 DR.

Slot 3, nailed a pretty nice no-slipstream lap for 4th on the grid. It got pretty messy early on, and I got a penalty for someone sending it down my inside and bumping past despite me giving them loads of room. Never mind, I still won for a new PB for "highest DR win". Annoyingly, I'm still 19 DR short of A+, so I guess I'm going to race again and risk these points. The points don't really matter anyway, as it's not possible for me to get top 10 for Jag or top 200 in EMEA overall.

 

[Zorz]

Manufacturers Round 7
Not the result I was hoping for today. The last two times this combo came up I did quite well, but it just wasn't there today.

I messed up in qualifying by sliding slightly over the track limits at the end of my flying lap and getting a penalty, then doing the same thing immediately after at turn 1 and gaining another. I started P19 after serving the combined penalties on my only valid lap. If the first lap had counted it would have been about halfway up the grid.

In the race I tried going 5H/6S/6S, but I'm now questioning if that was a good strategy in the BMW.

Throughout the season I've had the M4's brake balance all the way to the rear and found that led to some very even tyre wear, with the car feeling very comfortable and consistent to drive over a stint. In practice for RBR, braking downhill with that didn't feel steady so I brought it forward slightly to 3. It helped with stability, but the front tyres felt like they just grinding themselves into mush, being almost worthless at the end of each stint.

I ultimately couldn't find any pace throughout the race, languishing at the back and making a couple of errors that awarded track limit penalties. My fastest lap was more than 2 seconds slower than the race record. The end result was P15.

Overall my time with the M4 hasn't really gone to plan; between the compromised qualifying at Spa and Fuji, and my own struggles at Lago Maggiore and now Red Bull Ring. . Shame, as it seems like a decent car overall.

 

[Benay79]

Qualified 13th but found myself in 5th with 4 laps to go. Then a stupid lack of concentration saw me completely miss my braking point at corner 1 and I went flying off out of Austria! Absolutely kicking myself

End of the season has been disappointing. After some great results and being on the brink of finally becoming an A rated driver it’s all gone down hill. A disconnect followed by a 14th place last race and then 13th again this race, I’m well off an A now. Now to decide if I stay with Jag or not for next season!

 

[Tidgney]

Finally not in an FF car for a group 4 race so lets see if it can go slightly better than last time in a GR.4 race !

 

[Barters81]

Did you drop a DR rank after that race? If you were right at the bottom end of your DR rank before the race, and lost a small amount of DR (which is possible finishing 9th) then you may have dropped a rank. When you move between DR ranks you either gain or lose an additional 1500 DR points so that may explain it.

Thanks for the heads up, this is exactly what happened. I dropped under the A+ threshold and lost the 1500 it seems. Oh well, no dramas.

What I need are a few races to farm DR. If I get out in front of the Spa race this week I’ll win most times. But more often than not I’m punted at turn 1.

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Made a one-off return to Manufacturers this afternoon with Citroen. Felt like making amends for not doing the RBR Gr.4 race last November, as well as seeing how well the Gr.4 version fares under current BoP settings.

Entered the 16:00 alongside @SmokeyMR2, qualifying 2nd with a time of 1:36.019 despite overcooking my entry through Niki Lauda Kurve. Five different makes in the top 5 (Honda, Citroen, Mitsubishi, Porsche, Renault) and the top 15 separated by just over a second.

Starting at the front, I was slightly uneasy about the strategy I was going for in this race. A one-stop (8S-9H) felt like the best approach as @breeminator and I found out in practice, providing I looked after the Softs well enough in the opening stint. However, I did have difficulty in doing this the first time without losing places on the opening lap, and anticipated similar things happening to me once the green flag dropped. Yet, I resisted the temptation to push the Citroen or attempt any overambitious moves, so settled with following the NSX around until he picked up a track limits penalty at the final corner. This briefly allowed me to take the lead while also having the Megane Trophy, Evo and a red Cayman breathing down my neck, though a couple of track limits penalties of my own eventually demoted me to 4th. Not a problem, however, with the multiple strategies at play; the Citroen still felt good by the time I followed the Cayman into the pits on Lap 8.

Inevitably, I lost ground to the Soft-shot Honda, which along with a generally tentative out-lap set myself up for a battle with the black and gold Evo. It wasn't an ideal situation to be in, as we were no longer in touch with the top three and the 6th-placed Hyundai was closing in on Softs. However, it made for some fun racing as I attempted to pass the Evo at Remus, succeeded at Niki Lauda Kurve and went three-wide on the run to Schlossgold - all without penalties. Eventually, the Hyundai darts into pit road and I pass the Evo at Niki Lauda Kurve again, sliding over the kerbs in the process. From there, it was a case of defending from the Evo and a French Corvette lurking behind until they began to fall back. Late stops for the NSX and red Cayman promote me back up to 2nd for 264 points.

Overall, an excellent return to Manufacturers, and massive credit to the Evo driver for getting into the top 5. Couldn't have felt more satisfied with how well the battles and one-stop worked out - the Citroen remains as planted, economical and kind on tyres as ever. Don't know when I'll be starting the main season, but I think I'm getting closer to deciding which make I'll be signing up with...

 

[das89ca]

So...end of the season for me, will miss the last round.

I was hoping for a good result at RBR, it is a track that I enjoy and I am good at. Had a 1st try in the 1st slot but had to quit midrace due to some neighbour visiting. I was 12th at that point after starting 6th so was going to race again anyway.

2nd try was in the 3rd slot, good quali - managed to put myself 2nd on the starting grid. Started on Softs, I got to 1st after T2 of the 1st lap but only managed to keep leading position for two laps because of 2 0.5 penalties. I pitted at end of lap 7, got Hards on and got out on 5th(10s off the leader). Two cars in front were doing a 2-stopper so at the end of lap 11 was again in P3. At this point I was 10s off the leader and 3.5 behind 2nd. Leader pits end of lap12 and he only gets out in front off me. As he was on cold tires I started to push a bit, and he bottles it in the twisty section - death by cold Hards. I am in 2nd now with 10s gap from 3rd and 6s behind the leader. As he is gaining time I assume that he will do a 2 stopper and just try to limit the time loss as much as I can without risking too much. I had a big surprise to realise that he was doing a one stopper too, so 2nd place it is. Would have been nice to get a win on my "home" turf(although not an Austrian, I guess living here for the last 2 years still counts for RBR being my home race), but it wasn't to be... Nice upgrade of points, replacing 85 with 149 - up to a total of 355. 1st time when I take advantage of my new A DR.

Season review:

Nations: ending the season with 294 points which puts me at this time on P25 in Austria. I will probably lose 2-3 places after the end round, but it is an improvement compared to last season's 35th. Missed my objective which was a top20, but I went into DR conservation mode (as my DR is 32k) Monza & Tsukuba after 1st ****** try. I will have a better chance for the top20 this time if I start as DR A.

Manufacturer - Ferrari

As expected, main point achievers were the Gr.4 races, but did not expect the hard times that the Gr.3 car will give me. Managed a decent result at Tokio - 7th for 78 points but this got outscored as soon as the 3rd Gr4 race happened. Interlagos was a complete cluster**** and Sardegna was a no show after realised in timetrial that I will just bleed DR. 355 points in total, at the moment 34th for Ferrari, but I expect to climb tomorrow up to P30. Objective was top150, but I guess I did not expect so few people to race Ferrari. In any case, being in top35 is a good result.

For the official season I still have to decide for a Manufacturer. I did some time trial testing these days and it is for sure going to be an MR car - options being Honda, McLaren, Citroen and Alfa. I will try them also on more bumpy and difficult tracks to see which I can control best - don't want another Ferrari happening again .

 

[stpatty]

Did slot 2, but put in a poor qualifying lap for 11th on the grid. Worked my way up to 5th for a gain of 700 DR.

Slot 3, nailed a pretty nice no-slipstream lap for 4th on the grid. It got pretty messy early on, and I got a penalty for someone sending it down my inside and bumping past despite me giving them loads of room. Never mind, I still won for a new PB for "highest DR win". Annoyingly, I'm still 19 DR short of A+, so I guess I'm going to race again and risk these points. The points don't really matter anyway, as it's not possible for me to get top 10 for Jag or top 200 in EMEA overall.

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You're better off going to Blue Moon Bay if you only need 19 points.

Of course by now you're in the next Austria race anyway, so I hope it goes well.

 

[Odiesback]

Last time in Gr.4 at RBR was a disaster..,

Tonight will be either redemption or reaffirmation...

 

[breeminator]

My first race in what was mostly an A+ lobby. Words fail me. I have never seen such terrible driving from so many people in all the races I've driven before today. It was simply shocking. Not just intentional filth but so much complete and utter incompetence, people running wide and ending up sideways in front of everyone on the track, resulting in other people getting penalties, of course, not them. It was a total and utter ramfest from start to finish. I'm struggling to see myself racing again in this game unless they can hugely improve the penalty system, or they introduce an alternative form of racing where it isn't a ramming contest.

 

[watto79]

My first race in what was mostly an A+ lobby. Words fail me. I have never seen such terrible driving from so many people in all the races I've driven before today. It was simply shocking. Not just intentional filth but so much complete and utter incompetence, people running wide and ending up sideways in front of everyone on the track, resulting in other people getting penalties, of course, not them. It was a total and utter ramfest from start to finish. I'm struggling to see myself racing again in this game unless they can hugely improve the penalty system, or they introduce an alternative form of racing where it isn't a ramming contest.

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I hope I wasn't part of that I know I was driving VERY defensive lines on the last 2 laps but was just trying to hang on to the position, which absolutely caused a few cars to bunch up. Felt like it was all above board though.

I saw you get shoved wide by a Merc but other than that the racing I saw was basically all okay.

Congrats on the A+ 👍 Fully deserved with the pace you have.

I was screwed over in my first race with a stupid penalty so get the frustration for sure.

 

[breeminator]

I hope I wasn't part of that I know I was driving VERY defensive lines on the last 2 laps but was just trying to hang on to the position, which absolutely caused a few cars to bunch up. Felt like it was all above board though.

No, you were okay for cleanliness. It would have gone very differently if that Merc hadn't rammed me off the track letting you back past. My only complaint with the racing between us is with the penalty system that makes it basically impossible to overtake around the outside, as you just can't risk any contact, even if you've left acres of space.

 

[skyline1683]

No, you were okay for cleanliness. It would have gone very differently if that Merc hadn't rammed me off the track letting you back past. My only complaint with the racing between us is with the penalty system that makes it basically impossible to overtake around the outside, as you just can't risk any contact, even if you've left acres of space.

Feeling exactly the same was in a 60k A+ lobby and pretty much was just a demo derby at turn 1 2 and 3 penalties are a joke is there actually any point in racing clean

 

[watto79]

No, you were okay for cleanliness. It would have gone very differently if that Merc hadn't rammed me off the track letting you back past. My only complaint with the racing between us is with the penalty system that makes it basically impossible to overtake around the outside, as you just can't risk any contact, even if you've left acres of space.

That's fundamentally what's wrong with the game/penalty system at the moment. Even clean racing is being ruined by needless penalties being dished out. You see it in the top drivers streams too.

It causes so much frustration. I've seen someone say they'd rather be punted off the track by a dirty driver than have a race ruined by a needless penalty and I'm inclined to agree. It just leaves you feeling like what's the point in even trying to race.

Its making bad habits too, such as how I was driving at the end. Just hug the inside line. Anyone is welcome to try a move around the outside, I'll make sure they have space, but the slightest bit of contact is always bad news for the outside car.

I flipped out at the guy who gave me a penalty, and while they made a mistake it wasn't their fault I got a penalty.

Really hope PD can get a handle on this and soon. The 2020 season starts in less than a week and what we have is verging on unplayable.

End rant.

 

[timekiller001]

What an awful race day.
I already covered the first two races in other posts. Now the other two:
Race 3:
Finally had a decent qualifying and started 8th.
In the second corner there were some cars braking too late, they hit another car which then hit me in the back. Since I was only hit lightly, of course I got a 2 second penalty. That logic...
In turn 4 I went side by side with another Toyota 86, squeezed him a little bit but should've been fine - another 2 second penalty. Therefore finished lap 1 on P13... I was on hard tires.
Down to P14 in lap 5 as a Ferrari came blasting past me. In lap 6 I bottled it myself in turn 2 - down to P18. In lap 9 I got punted and spun in turn 2 again - down to P19. Then I decided to try and do a no-stopper since I was on hards anyway.
Got up to P15 temporarily as others pitted but I could already feel the hard tires losing grip - and decided to pit in lap 11. Got out in P20 as expected.
That became P19 as the car in front of me crashed out and left as I got closer. I then got past a pair of cars to P17 and that was it. A disappointment again.

Race 4:
Even better qualifying with P7. Started in softs with the intention to pit once only.
Got up to P6 quite easily and then could catch up with the lead group.
Unfortunately I ran a bit wide in turn 1 in lap 5 and got a 0.5 second penalty - lost the touch to the group ahead but was able to close in on them a bit again. In hindsight that might've been the mistake that completely ruined my race (spoiler)
Pitted in lap 7 and got out in P11 behind a Viper. As other pitted that became P6 in lap 10.
In lap 10 in turn 3 I ran a bit wider on the exit on the curb. I had to turn left a bit more as I wanted to leave the curb. His left front touched my rear right a litte and spun me around. Nothing bad but I still blame him for that for not leaving me the space.
Everything went very smooth until then and I was hoping for a (finally) decent finish. But that threw me back to P15.
Again, others pitted so got up to P10. As others had fresher and/or softer tires I lost two positions for only P12. Rubbish... Could've been P6 and at least P8. But no, it got ruined again.

 

[O604]

Ugh. Glad that's over. Not my day.

Had door #1 for the first time i can remember. Qualified last. Finished last of those who didn't quit.

Normally I am quite aware of my surrounding but this race cars just kept popping out of nowhere.

BTW - Toyota can not keep up. In my race last 2 cars were the Toyota.

 

[timekiller001]

Ugh. Glad that's over. Not my day.

Had door #1 for the first time i can remember. Qualified last. Finished last of those who didn't quit.

Normally I am quite aware of my surrounding but this race cars just kept popping out of nowhere.

BTW - Toyota can not keep up. In my race last 2 cars were the Toyota.

While it certainly won't overtake anyone on the straights, the Toyota can be quite competitive at Red Bull Ring if you stay in the slipstream and get the corners right. I was so much quicker exiting the corners if I wanted to. Just couldn't really use it. Qualifying is key for it.

 

[dlshearon]

I thought the daily races were rough this week. This has to be the roughest FIA racing I’ve seen on RBR. Time for a brew.

 

[Randall_Flagg]

Either I'm getting better as a D racer or I was in a lower D lobby than usual. I'm guessing the latter, haha. In Manu with Lexus I qualified 7th, a personal best, finished 9th, another best. Should've been 8th but i skidded out near the end and got passed. I used mediums after the hards cause I wanted to do a one-stop race and a hard/soft combo didn't seem to last long enough. Not with my skill level anyway.

 

[JoeDaSnow]

In today's Manufacturers Series race, I had started 13th but finished in 4th. It was my third top 5 finish of the season.

 

[barak181]

I started the race today P18. I somehow managed a shortcut penalty on both my flying laps. My second lap would have been good enough for P4. Oh, well.

I briefly considered trying a no-stopper to see if I could pull a Carlos Sainz and make the podium from the back of the grid. Then I remembered that I'm pretty bad a tire management. I decided on a 1-stopper 10H/7S but after a few laps on the hards I really didn't like my pace and changed it to a 6H/5S/6S. Probably wasn't the best idea to change things mid-race not to mention the time lost in the second pit. The soft did allow me to go inside and pass quite a few people coming out of the turns. But I gave a position or two back at the end of each stint from tire wear. Anyway, I crossed the line in P7 but had a .5 sec shortcut penalty on the final turn defending against a McLaren charging up my tailpipe. The penalty put me back to P8 but it was still 10 placed gained and my highest point total, being my first all DR.B FIA lobby.

 

[Odiesback]

I was having a great race. #7 on the door. Qualified 10th.

Total calm composure, staying out of nasty fights, waiting for the right moment, everything was going well...Made the Softs last for almost 9 laps! Switched to Hards. Came back in and made it to 5th until someone, he later apologized, side bumped me throwing me in the sandpit... back out in 20th and managed to finish 14th...

Trying again...

 

[Winnie847]

I had some really quick pace today at RBR but couldn’t seem to qualify well. Started 7th, had a rough start, got a penalty that knocked me down 3 positions. The 2nd stint went much better and I went from P10 to P4 with a beautiful outside pass on the final lap. I wish I had more time to race tonight because I think I could do better, but that’s it for me. P4 in second split for 229 points. Full race below and a clip of the final lap pass below it.

 

[CurbHog]

Manufacturers Pre-Season R7 Red Bull Ring

Needed some redemption after two bad races...The quali was crowded and I did not get good pace even with someone infront towing me.
Started in 11th. Because of this, I decided to start on Hards and run for 8 laps and then two stops on softs.
The first two turns shed a few cars so I made some gains. The strategy seemed to work fine and as you can see in the race edit.
A clip from a sweet pass


Race Edit

 

[Rods]

Tonight's race was disastrous. Disastrous I tell you! I'm so bad with front tire management for 4WD cars (or FF for that matter), it's something I really have to work at.

My result was poor, but worse that that, I almost pulled off an Ocon and destroyed the leader's race.

I started second, kept up pretty well until the front tires started to really drop off (lap 4-5) and I started collecting track-limits penalties. I stupidly insisted on running the softs too long and eventually got a momentary first place, until I was overtaken by the actual leader of the race and, with the front tires completely shot, eventually out-braked myself into turn 2 and hit him (he lost a couple of seconds but went on to win the race, thankfully).

Finally pitted, having lost way too much time on track with worn tires and rejoined in the back-end of the grid. Ran on hards for a while, saw everyone pitting with 5 laps to go and followed suit. Considering the points haul, anything below 6th was useless, so I took the gamble.

It didn't pay off.

Second stop brought me to 16th, crawled back to P10, but by the 4th lap of the stint, my tires started to go. Got to the last turn in 11th, got punted to the shadow realm by P12, which awarded me a .5 penalty (worth 1s at that point of the race) and lost the position. Luckily that didn't turn into P13 (not for the points haul, but for my DR, which took a 1k knock).

 

[GTWolverine]

Lol yet another wasted evening. I raced the last 4 slots. Summary:
2nd slot: Q 10, F15
3rd Slot: Q 2, F10
4th Slot: Q 14 or 15, F 10 or 11
5th Slot: Q 13, F 14.

I needed at least 134 points for this race to count. I made a ton of stupid mistakes and got a ton of off-track penalties in the 1st 2 races. 3rd race and I once again forgot how to handle cold tires at the start and ran wide into turn 1; not enough to get a penalty, but I lost a spot. I then stupidly let my car drift too wide on the exit of the right hander after the first downhill part of the track and got in the sand. Lost a few more spots. Final slot and I was actually having a decent race, but lost a string of positions to cars on fresher tires. I was fighting for 10th, which was the absolute lowest I could finish and still have enough points for it to count. A Mustang shoved it up the inside at the final corner, and of course I got a 2s penalty, so I fell down to 14th at the line for 100 points.

In the Nations race at RBR last season, which had identical settings, I had to do 3 races due to stupid mistakes (shocking, I know ) but I had pace in all of them and in the final one I started 5th and finished 2nd, in the same exact car (Corvette Gr. 4)! Today, and in fact this season, it's been a struggle to even finish in the Top 10 in Manufacturers for me, when last season I was regularly podiuming both championships. Strangely, in Nations I'm doing far better, as while I'm not podiuming, I'm still scoring more points than last season. Even before the Corvette Gr. 4 BoP adjustment, I was having issues with pace this season with the Manufacturer's championship.

I'm not even gonna bother with Gr. 3 at Nurb GP. I'm awful at that combination at the best of times...

 

[GerseyCX]

I had some really quick pace today at RBR but couldn’t seem to qualify well. Started 7th, had a rough start, got a penalty that knocked me down 3 positions. The 2nd stint went much better and I went from P10 to P4 with a beautiful outside pass on the final lap. I wish I had more time to race tonight because I think I could do better, but that’s it for me. P4 in second split for 225 points. Full race below and a clip of the final lap pass below it.

Similar deal for me in this race. Terrible Q lap for P14, Then lost a couple more spots in early laps on the hard tires. Around lap 3/4 hard tires started feeling good and making back some time. Pitted lap 10 for softs finished strong for P10. Was happy with my race driving pace but Q lap mistake and no slip about 1 sec off what I could have done.

 

[skyline1683]

What an awful race day.
I already covered the first two races in other posts. Now the other two:
Race 3:
Finally had a decent qualifying and started 8th.
In the second corner there were some cars braking too late, they hit another car which then hit me in the back. Since I was only hit lightly, of course I got a 2 second penalty. That logic...
In turn 4 I went side by side with another Toyota 86, squeezed him a little bit but should've been fine - another 2 second penalty. Therefore finished lap 1 on P13... I was on hard tires.
Down to P14 in lap 5 as a Ferrari came blasting past me. In lap 6 I bottled it myself in turn 2 - down to P18. In lap 9 I got punted and spun in turn 2 again - down to P19. Then I decided to try and do a no-stopper since I was on hards anyway.
Got up to P15 temporarily as others pitted but I could already feel the hard tires losing grip - and decided to pit in lap 11. Got out in P20 as expected.
That became P19 as the car in front of me crashed out and left as I got closer. I then got past a pair of cars to P17 and that was it. A disappointment again.

Race 4:
Even better qualifying with P7. Started in softs with the intention to pit once only.
Got up to P6 quite easily and then could catch up with the lead group.
Unfortunately I ran a bit wide in turn 1 in lap 5 and got a 0.5 second penalty - lost the touch to the group ahead but was able to close in on them a bit again. In hindsight that might've been the mistake that completely ruined my race (spoiler)
Pitted in lap 7 and got out in P11 behind a Viper. As other pitted that became P6 in lap 10.
In lap 10 in turn 3 I ran a bit wider on the exit on the curb. I had to turn left a bit more as I wanted to leave the curb. His left front touched my rear right a litte and spun me around. Nothing bad but I still blame him for that for not leaving me the space.
Everything went very smooth until then and I was hoping for a (finally) decent finish. But that threw me back to P15.
Again, others pitted so got up to P10. As others had fresher and/or softer tires I lost two positions for only P12. Rubbish... Could've been P6 and at least P8. But no, it got ruined again.

that was me who ran off the track in front of you and quit id had enough of being dive bombed and given penalties that wasn’t my fault was up to 12th on hard tyres and someone in a Oreo gt86 deliberately spun me and I had enough of this system rewarding horrible driving standards
I’ve been in top 10 manufacturers for last two seasons so I have plenty of pace to do it but muppets who use this system to their advantage are ruining it for everyone