FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I was going to try out the Turbo Brick at Sausage Land (Gardens) but I couldn't connect all night. No single digit Manu points for me.

 

[koshmare]

Round 9 hot laps

 

[05XR8]

Guess it'll be sorted before the season starts.

 

[Peddler13]

Much more enjoyable for me just picking the one race to practice at
I was stressing myself out, I think, trying to prepare for both the Nations cup and the Manufacturers cup races.

 

[chuyler1]

In practice mode, I got the Mazda Atenza down to a 1:38.2 but could not replicate it with tire wear on for qualifying. In traffic it was 1:39-1:41 all night long. My god is this car slow in a straight line. There is NO WAY to draft pass anyone. I can be 2/10ths back with a jump on the throttle exiting the chicane and I won't even get along side another car. I spent the whole race just waiting for drivers to make mistakes and letting them tow me around the track. Despite that, I moved up a few positions from qualifying during the two races I entered and got 117 points, good enough to put me in the top 20 in North America for Team Mazda. I'd love to see a video of someone dominating the race in this car.

If you're going to make an inside move on the last turn of the last lap, you have to leave room on the outside for the other driver. You pushed him off the track. Whether there is contact on your screen or not, you used up the entire track on exit. That's not clean racing. That's Dirty racing 101.

 

[Ashthebash]

Looking like tomorrow will be a case of as few laps on hards as possible, unless you start on them. Which will be me because I'm lacking a bit of pace and a lot of consistency around RBR so I expect to be near the back in qualy

 

[Pigems]

In practice mode, I got the Mazda Atenza down to a 1:38.2 but could not replicate it with tire wear on for qualifying. In traffic it was 1:39-1:41 all night long. My god is this car slow in a straight line. There is NO WAY to draft pass anyone. I can be 2/10ths back with a jump on the throttle exiting the chicane and I won't even get along side another car. I spent the whole race just waiting for drivers to make mistakes and letting them tow me around the track. Despite that, I moved up a few positions from qualifying during the two races I entered and got 117 points, good enough to put me in the top 20 in North America for Team Mazda. I'd love to see a video of someone dominating the race in this car.




If you're going to make an inside move on the last turn of the last lap, you have to leave room on the outside for the other driver. You pushed him off the track. Whether there is contact on your screen or not, you used up the entire track on exit. That's not clean racing. That's Dirty racing 101.

There is no fuel weight or tire wear in free practice and you have perfect tires for the entire lap, I’m usually at least 1s slower with the actually race physics(tire/fuel wear) turned on.

 

[milehighmadd]

Am I right to assume that it helps generate "boost" in the Toyota hybrid when lifting off throttle leading into break-in? Trying to figure out how this system works. I did remember someone posting about rearward BB is beneficial as well.

 

[chuyler1]

There is no fuel weight or tire wear in free practice and you have perfect tires for the in tire lap, I’m usually at least 1s slower with the actually race physics(tire/fuel wear) turned on.

Oh I know. But all race long I was in the 1:39s. After reviewing the replay some of the other drivers were knocking off much faster laps, including the Toyota 86 that went from 17th to a top 5 finish. I had nothing for him, he could put the car anywhere and rocket down the straights.

 

[vvise]

making the switch to twitch and didnt want to put in effort in the viper so I was just goofing off on my other account. SR B lobby, final lap final corner lol. Should have punted him haha.

https://www.twitch.tv/vvise/clip/CharmingCrepuscularQueleaFeelsBadMan

How do I embed twitch clips? the post keeps converting the link to my channel page?

 

[Ashthebash]

Am I right to assume that it helps generate "boost" in the Toyota hybrid when lifting off throttle leading into break-in? Trying to figure out how this system works. I did remember someone posting about rearward BB is beneficial as well.

Yes, lifting is only a small boost but it adds up. In a lobby earlier I was following someone and lifting before going into the corners. You could see as a couple of laps passed that his hybrid was running out before mine and it wasn't long before I just drove past him out of T1.

Also as tyres wear you get more wheel spin and your hybrid will use more power accelerating so if you can keep a little extra by lifting it'll pay you back

 

[senzr]

If you're going to make an inside move on the last turn of the last lap, you have to leave room on the outside for the other driver. You pushed him off the track. Whether there is contact on your screen or not, you used up the entire track on exit. That's not clean racing. That's Dirty racing 101.

Yea, I’ve been reflecting on that all day and I see what you mean. I thought I had corner rights since I passed the apex first, and last lap nerves got the better of me. I’ll work on cleaner driving.

 

[Leggacy]

So what’s the secret to keeping charge in the Hybrid cars battery?
I’ve just watched the fastest lap replay of the nations cup for tomorrow, after T1 he’s got about 60% charge where as I have a completely flat battery or about 5%ish. I’ve tried moving the BB all the way to the rear but I still can’t keep charge in the battery. I’m trying to stop more with the brakes, rather than engine braking but nothing seems to work.

 

[Pigems]

Oh I know. But all race long I was in the 1:39s. After reviewing the replay some of the other drivers were knocking off much faster laps, including the Toyota 86 that went from 17th to a top 5 finish. I had nothing for him, he could put the car anywhere and rocket down the straights.

Was he in the slipstream while doing so?

 

[Winnie847]

Am I right to assume that it helps generate "boost" in the Toyota hybrid when lifting off throttle leading into break-in? Trying to figure out how this system works. I did remember someone posting about rearward BB is beneficial as well.

the cool thing about the hybrid on the TS050 is that you don't have to lift off all the way for it to regenerate. Any amount of lifting, even while still on throttle 90% causes it to regenerate. So in race, I imagine you'll be able to get away with a lot of minor lifting heading into braking zones any time there is traffic ahead of you that you might want to slow down a tad for.

 

[chuyler1]

Was he in the slipstream while doing so?

At times yes, and it worked for him. Meanwhile, I got no benefit from the slip stream. Watch below at 16:33 as I make almost no gain on the driver ahead who isn't tailing anyone. In a spec car, I would have had at least some overlap.


I don't have video of all the races this season, but it seems like any Gr.4 race is not favorable for Mazda. The Gr.3 car seems more balanced and I felt more in the mix at Fuji and Autopolis. Next event is Laguna Seca in the Gr.4. I know the track well but if drivers can get to my bumper easier than I can get to theirs, I fear I'm just going to fall backward and only pick up places when others end up in the sand traps.

 

[Sean YZF]

Is there a reasonable choice other than the hybrids for Nations at RBR? Have tried non hybrids in my garage but struggling to find a contender. Prefer real cars to VGT ones. Thanks.

 

[Groundfish]

If you're going to make an inside move on the last turn of the last lap, you have to leave room on the outside for the other driver. You pushed him off the track. Whether there is contact on your screen or not, you used up the entire track on exit. That's not clean racing. That's Dirty racing 101.

I thought the music was over the top for a couple overtakes, but looked to me like he was nose to nose before the turn in there. The corners his. if you have corner rights there’s nothing the other driver can do at that point. Corners like that are won by turn in many times. Only a naive or foolish driver expects there to be room left when they been had on entry. Jmo but that’s etiquette. There’s nothing you can do to prevent being overtaken on some turns when you lost corner rights on entry. His opponent should have gone defensive. It’s not dirty to win a corner and blend onto the racing line on exit. That’s the way it’s done!
I think some folks in video games seem to think driving side by side is an object when in fact it’s not.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe the 787B or 962C will be competitive.

How weird was it in Free Practice using the 919? Did my first lap. Then, watching my ghost overtake me and leave me in the dust for the first half of the lap. Next, half, I'm overtaking it and went 1 second faster.

I found it weird, as the boost was pretty much empty through the whole second lap. I don't use th se cars on the regular. So, it'll be interesting this evening.

 

[chuyler1]

I thought the music was over the top for a couple basic overtakes, but looked to me like he was nose to nose before the turn in there. The corners his. I didn’t car much for the livery or music or over dramatic editing style, but if you have corner rights there’s nothing the other driver can do at that point. Corners like that are won by turn in many times. Only a naive or foolish driver expects there to be room left when they been had on entry. Jmo but that’s etiquette. There’s nothing you can do to prevent being overtaken on some turns when you lost corner rights on entry. His opponent should have gone defensive. It’s not dirty to win a corner and blend onto the racing line on exit. That’s the way it’s done!
I think some folks in video games seem to think driving side by side is an object when in fact it’s not.

Rights to the apex, you are absolutely correct, once you've pushed wide on entry you've lost your right to the apex, I mentioned last week about people that cut across the track after completely missing a turn expecting the train of cars that was behind them to not hit them.

Rights to not be pushed off the track exiting the corner, no, not if you want others to race you back with etiquette. That's the thing about etiquette, it's not about what you CAN do, it's about what you SHOULD do. If you race everyone like that, you're not going to make friends and when you really want a race win, someone who remembers what you did is going to make sure that doesn't happen. With that said, racing side by side almost always results in just letting a 3rd party catch up so you need to consider that before you attempt any risky pass, and when you are trying to defend past the point of losing the position lest you lose multiple positions.

 

[Groundfish]

Rights to the apex, you are absolutely correct, once you've pushed wide on entry you've lost your right to the apex, I mentioned last week about people that cut across the track after completely missing a turn expecting the train of cars that was behind them to not hit them.

Rights to not be pushed off the track exiting the corner, no, not if you want others to race you back with etiquette. That's the thing about etiquette, it's not about what you CAN do, it's about what you SHOULD do. If you race everyone like that, you're not going to make friends and when you really want a race win, someone who remembers what you did is going to make sure that doesn't happen. With that said, racing side by side almost always results in just letting a 3rd party catch up so you need to consider that before you attempt any risky pass, and when you are trying to defend past the point of losing the position lest you lose multiple positions.

In racing when you’ve lost the corner you’ve lost it. There’s nothing you can do except fall in behind.
Further, when a car is making a move and has insufficient overlap at turn in they deserve the door getting slammed shut.
That’s from one of the worlds most respected real life instructors not anything I made up.
Further, that’s why etiquette is what it is in racing.
If someone has you dead at turn in don’t try to run side by side, depending on the corner. Don’t call them dirty if they don’t slow down so you can not get overtaken.
Don’t cry when someone turns in when you’re sticking your nose where it shouldn’t be.
IF he was nose to nose BEFORE the turn in the OTHER driver better relinquish or try to go super deep and crossover or something, but definitely NOT expect to be given rights BACK that he already lost fairly.
That’s racing.
In GAMING lots of drivers think an inch of overlap achieved by a late dive inside means the other driver shouldn’t turn in that’s horse manure!

 

[chuyler1]

The problem with shutting the door in this game is that it penalizes the driver in front more than the driver in the rear. I do like iRacing in that regard, because someone making a move to the inside has just as much at stake if the driver in front doesn't cooperate. It's hard to tell from the video whether the Mazda a) completely missed his braking point b) was bumped off line or c) saw the impending doom of attempting to shut the door and went wide to avoid getting hit. Regardless of any of that though, on the last lap you shouldn't be on the far edge of the track leading into a hairpin. If someone is going to attempt a move you need to make it clear there is no room on the inside. Defensive driving would have completely avoided this situation from the get-go.

 

[Groundfish]

I dunno, don’t call people dirty when they aren’t, that’s my thing.

 

[chuyler1]

I don't congratulate people on a pass when the person they are passing ends up off the track...that's just my thing. Agree to disagree I suppose. See you on the track!

 

[Groundfish]

Agree to disagree definitely.
Nothing wrong with fairly winning the inside last turn of a race. It’s ok you don’t have to slow down because the driver behind is flooring it round the outside with no hope of staying on track.

 

[SpeedStarGTS]

Super GT @ Spa with Standing Start was never really a was good idea. But you were thinking i just need to be careful of the first corner and i will be fine and after 4 races in...its still wasn't a good idea. but you are determine to get that one good final race and well...

 

[Winnie847]

Is there a reasonable choice other than the hybrids for Nations at RBR? Have tried non hybrids in my garage but struggling to find a contender. Prefer real cars to VGT ones. Thanks.

I doubt it. There are several heavy braking zones and slow corners at RBR where the hybrids will just pull away on exit. The typically higher top speed of the non-hybrids won't really come into play much until you're already at the end of the straight and needing to brake again. The last part of the track that gets more twisty will be faster in a hybrid as well because of their agility through those corners. Toyota TS050 seems to be the best race car. The R18 might be the best qualy car but it's hybrid runs out too quickly after that first lap.

 

[TeddyWestside]

This weekend was a frustrating and infuriating exercise in futility (uncompetitive cars) and disgust (at the behaviour on show). So, rather than share videos of me playing catchup, here are summaries of each category/zone:

Nations

EMEA
3 races in 4 minutes. Pretty much all lowlights.Appalling driving standards and a ridiculous track limits penalty.

P17 to P10, 34pts
P14 to P9, 36pts
P18 to P8, 39pts

N America
Slot 2:
Front and rear damage at Turn 1 and more was to follow...


Slot 4:
Another start spoiled by idiots. After cleanly sneaking through the inside of Turn 1, all the places I'd made up (and more) were lost as I was spun down to P19. It was a hard comeback to score my highest points of the night. Not worth risking that in the final slot.

P18 to P14, 37pts
P17 to P11, 46pts
P13 to P10, 51pts

Manu

EMEA
3 races in 3 minutes. More lunacy

P20 to P14, 26pts (dropped to B/A, and Daily C idiot dropped me to C/S for next race)
P14 to P6, 36pts (CRB, but still C/S)
P17 to P7, 37pts (CRB again, still C/S) [Edit: Mistaken choice to run a couple of Daily A Races, now has me at C/B, thanks to Turn 1 morons]

N America
3 races in 5 minutes. More suspect moves, including unacceptable qually behaviour from one guy, who continued it into (and after) the race.

P18 to P16, 30pts
P16 to P13, 38pts (Dropped to B/A)
P13 to P17, 20pts (Back to B/S)

I had some good, fair ding-dong battles during some of the aces. just a shame they had to be spoiled by some real numpties.
The Mustang destroys its front tyres. That led to me T-Boning the Porsche I’d had such a good battle with in Slot 3, on the final lap. Only fair that I let him restart ahead of me. My apology accepted with good grace

 

[Sean YZF]

I doubt it. There are several heavy braking zones and slow corners at RBR where the hybrids will just pull away on exit. The typically higher top speed of the non-hybrids won't really come into play much until you're already at the end of the straight and needing to brake again. The last part of the track that gets more twisty will be faster in a hybrid as well because of their agility through those corners. Toyota TS050 seems to be the best race car. The R18 might be the best qualy car but it's hybrid runs out too quickly after that first lap.

Thanks, fastest lap time for me was using the Toyota TS050, just cant seem to keep the batteries charged up. Reading other posts is giving me ideas too ref charging 👍

 

[roamingbard13]

At times yes, and it worked for him. Meanwhile, I got no benefit from the slip stream. Watch below at 16:33 as I make almost no gain on the driver ahead who isn't tailing anyone. In a spec car, I would have had at least some overlap.


I don't have video of all the races this season, but it seems like any Gr.4 race is not favorable for Mazda. The Gr.3 car seems more balanced and I felt more in the mix at Fuji and Autopolis. Next event is Laguna Seca in the Gr.4. I know the track well but if drivers can get to my bumper easier than I can get to theirs, I fear I'm just going to fall backward and only pick up places when others end up in the sand traps.

That wide line there allows him to get on the throttle hard sooner than your tight line, so he has a much better run out. It took me awhile to figure that and adjust my braking point to get that same kind of run. I was losing ground on every straight in practice races. It’s worth maybe a quarter to a half second of lap time. Maybe more. I probably ran other lines more cleanly too, but that strategy alone helped get my FP lap from 37.9 to 37.2 last night.