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For Spa nations cup today, is there a requirement to use both max and min tire? Still learning here and a 20sec penalty was added at end and doesn't clearly say in the race details.

If there is, that's brutally unclear.
Check out the Race Details screen. Tells you exactly what compounds you need to use.
 
I gave the gr.2 cars a big miss at Spa. My confidence and consistency took a huge beating when I tried to drop the TCS and ABS looking for more speed.
I turned it all back on after I had calmed myself down and regained some consistency. Meanwhile my dr rating had taken a hammering dropping from a B to a D which meant that I wasn't even welcome in many lobbies to practice with others.
Have to remind myself that this is just a game. I see others getting upset and it makes me sad. I don't think it is the game (simulator) or the rules, I just think it is the cut throat / beat everyone else attitude that we have all grown up with and is engrained in us. That sort of mentality will never leave us but it would be much more constructive if we aimed at beating ourselves/our previous best effort rather than trying to beat other people. Sure, keep some emphasis on outright performance but reserve the main spotlight for most improved!
Changing the subject slightly, how many and what racing series do people know of where they use TCS and ABS irl? I know that it is used in GT3 cars! How much of a disadvantage do you think it is irl? It may even leave you with an advantage saving tires and a bit of fuel! Do you think Gran Turismo has got this Simulation correct? I can't drive high power cars without these 2 aids but does this mean I should be slower overall? At the gr.4 race at Monza recently I went the entire race on one set of tires. I did a little splash and dash at the end but didn't put new tyres on. It didn't produce a good result mainly because of my poor driving but, with practice, I think I might be able to make it work with the TCS and ABS turned up. Thoughts?
 
Maybe I'll see you. I got dropped to 70 SR. Last race was 4 As/8 Bs/2 Cs/6 Ds. :lol:

Ended up getting 63pts for P8 but can do better. Qual time sucked because half the lobby didnt know braking points.

Also shaved 1s in practice qual time by going to BB -1 (front). Wild.
Lol I somehow lost even MORE SR so now I'm at 69 when I was at 80 before the 3rd slot. Some idiot divebombed me (of course) in La Source after the start, and I (of course) got a 1s penalty for it, then thanks to that I fell down to 6th after starting 3rd, then 5th place messed up the middle of Pouhon and spun into the side of me, which forced me off the track to the inside, through the grass, and ultimately into the wall on the exit of Pouhon. I eventually finished 3rd after no more incidents after the 1st lap, but had a red A next to my name at the end. 🤬:banghead:

Now I'm definitely gonna be stuck doing all 5 rounds just to try to get my SR back, and if the last round is any indication I doubt even that's gonna be possible. :banghead:

Edit: After 1 Daily Race C I'm now at SR 78. I need to have a perfectly clean slot 4 race to even hope of getting back to SR S before the last round, and then somehow not mess that up...
 
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I had three goes at it tonight, ended up in the bottom end of the top split all 3 times. Had some fun races and everyone was nice and clean around me, overall it was a good night of racing. Gonna call it a night, I don’t see a better result coming. :)

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Made it into the top split twice now. Qualified 10th for my first race, made my way up through the T1 carnage, battling with someone for 6th on the closing laps, got clear and was pulling enough of a gap to hold 6th for a great points gain, put one wheel on the astroturf at Campus and spun off on the last lap. Points down the drain.

Top split again, qualified 8th, not as good of a start but I'm still battling for 7th in the opening half. Two cars ahead someone goes wide through Pouhon, holds up the guy in front of me, I make a move when the two of them go wide exiting Campus, but one car gets on the astroturf and spins into me, punting me off. Same corner, same result.

Now try #3... :indiff:

EDIT: Qualifying for my third race, some complete moron decides to drive backwards at the final chicane, bringing out a caution flag, earning me a 3 second penalty for passing someone else that had slowed for drafting position into the chicane. 19th place qualifying, utter joke. Third race already ruined before it even began. I could have been done and had great points after one race, now I have to do four.
 
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Yes, you have to you the Hard tires for this race for at least one lap. :)

Got it. Guess you get a penalty for not changing tires, that's where I went wrong. Would think thats a disadvantage. At the time of the pit I was at P1, and went from P15 and so I figured I could run the rest of the race out.
 
Low SR isn't bad since you get paired with S/A drivers and can juice the point table.
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As I think I mentioned earlier, I was in a mixed DR lobby/SR A and got P12 for 65 points. Probably should have stopped and enjoy the rare high points for me, but I've been practicing this race a LOT and really do enjoy the combo. I decide to gamble and let it ride after getting my SR back to S from A.

Now I'm in an all B/S lobby (I'm door #1 no less) and a quick look at the points table shows 65 pts is for 5th place. Crap. I've never finished that high in an all-equally ranked lobby. Better not screw up. Well that lasted about midway through qualifying. Totally binned it and didn't set a time. P18 to start. In hindsight, this wasn't terrible since I only had 1 guy behind me to worry about T1 and I could see the mayhem unfold right before I get to the 150m mark.

Got banged around a little on L1/L2 and ultimately lost 20-30s. Now my gamble is REALLY looking terrible. What kept me going was all the practice I had done and knowing that the majority of the lobby was lacking fuel management awareness.

I get up to P4 at start of L6 and carry it to the pits to change out for RM. Had 42% fuel left from short shifting and fuel mapping first half of sector 2 and going FM6 through final chicane. Knowing 44% gets me flat out on RM with no fuel mapping and minimal short shifting, I felt very comfortable at this point. Exiting pits, I was P5 with P6 sitting around 0.5s behind coming up eau rogue. Decided to floor it and ultimately opened the gap by the time I made it through the S turns after the long straight.

Ran 22:30 which is 24s off my personal practice best; would have been good for P3, but beggars can't be choosers. Raced lights out L3 to the end and stoked my gamble paid off. Would have been super bummed had I lost those 65pts earned earlier.

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My prediction was correct - a wasted Saturday. Fortunately it's not like there's anything else interesting to do at the moment... After doing all 5 rounds, I finished 16th in the final round after yet again being an idiot. This time it was my turn to spin someone at La Source after the start. I qualified 7th (after once again screwing up my lap despite having set plenty of "perfect" laps in lobbies), and braked what I thought was early enough to account for the stackup into Turn 1, but NOPE. I plow straight into the rear of 4th place and spin him, and dump myself down the order as well :dunce:. Karma got me later when someone shoved it up the inside at Stavelot, pushing me over the curb and onto the astroturf, which resulted in me spinning from 10th at the time. I was 14th when I threw the car into the wall at the final chicane on the last lap in frustration before limping the car across the line in 16th. Happily the car that was a victim of my stupidity earlier in the race finished 7th. Based on my practice time, I had the raw pace to get a decent finish, but ultimately I either ruined my own races with poor qualifying, or getting caught in the Turn 1 mess (and once causing it myself...) Hopefully I can drive the Gr. 1 cars somewhat competently around RBR next Tuesday. Gr. 1 is always one of my best categories, but RBR is another track where my stupidity tends to take over and my inner Pastor Maldonado makes himself known.

Summary
Race 1: Q 14th, DNF (rage quit)

Race 2: DNQ (yet another stupid error as I took too long on my fuel burn lap and ran out of time to start my flying lap), DNF (rage quit)

Race 3: Q 3rd, F *somewhere in the top 10* (for basically no points due to being stuck in a mixed DR room)

Race 4: DNQ (on purpose to stay away from the carnage and hopefully not destroy my SR even further), F 2nd (again with no points as I somehow lost even more SR in the 3rd round)

Race 5: Q 7th, F16th.

Oh, and I also lost almost 5000 DR :dunce::banghead:. Due to that, I'll probably have to do more than 1 race at RBR too because I'll probably end up placed in a race with few points on offer.
 
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Why do ppl consider themselves to be a clown when they unintentionally run into someone? That is racing. Sure it is not a good thing at all but if you aren't trying to do it deliberately then why berate yourself!!
I make all sorts of rookie errors that I don't intend to do. For instance sometimes I brake a little too early for a corner (ppl may think I am brake checking them). It is never my intention to stuff up someone else and sometimes the only way I know how to drive a corner is to brake earlier than most people. I don't blame myself or anyone else for an accident. The only way I could avoid other people is to drive off the racing line all the time or just do laps at the back of the field all by myself and how would I learn then. I would only do this online and I would never attempt this out in the real world. The whole point of online racing is that so amateurs like me can have a go at what would be impossible for me in the real world.
 
Tomorrow's race as as exciting as any other slipstream race. :rolleyes:

Think I'll pass on finishing dead last with the Scirocco.

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EDIT - Tuesday's Nation's race is Gr.1 at RB Ring. 20 laps (56 miles/86km). RM/RH required. 10x tire wear. 3x on fuel = 258km x 0.97 track coefficient - 250km race.

From the fuel consumption list:
Alpine VGT '17
1:49.4 *353kmh ~259.2km

Audi R18 '16
1:49.8 *328kmh ~278.2km

Audi VGT
1:49.8 333kmh ~261.4km

Audi R18 '11
1:49.3 342kmh ~238.0km

Bugatti VGT
1:49.2 340kmh ~252.6km

Dodge SRT Tomahawk VGT
1:47.8 *344kmh ~288.4km

Hyundai N 2025 VGT
1:47.7 *351kmh ~239.5km

Jaguar XJR-9 '88
1:50.4 *358kmh ~258.5km

Mazda LM55 VGT
1:48.2 *360kmh ~276.7km

Mazda 787B '91
1:51.5 *358kmh ~247.5km

McLaren VGT
1:48.0 *353kmh ~236.6km

Mercedes Sauber C9 '89
1:50.7 349kmh ~252.6km

Nissan GT-R LM NISMO '15
1:51.5 324kmh ~289.8km

Nissan R92CP '92
1:50.5 *365kmh ~286.9km

Peugeot L750R Hybrid VGT 2017
1:48.8 *333kmh ~245.3km

Peugeot 908HDi Team Peugeot Total '10
1:48.1 *348kmh ~244.6km

Porsche 962 C '88
1:49.0 252kmh ~289.1km

Porsche 919 Hybrid '16
1:49.1 *333kmh ~260.6km

Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16
1:49.9 328kmh ~330.7km

Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12
1:50.2 339kmh ~294.2km
 
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RBR will be hybrid territory - race will be most between 70-250km/h...

Yesterday raced first 2 slots:

1st slot - put a 2.07.6 in quali, enough for P2 on the grid. Started on mediums, missed the start(2s penalty) then got pushed wide in T1 and with the dirty tires and air I messed up both radillon(0.5s) and the right hander at the end of the straight. As I was in 17th by then it was just a race of limiting the damage to DR, got up to 8th but messed up twice during the race and had to settle for 13th.

2nd slot: Got a pole with a 2.07.8 and started on Mediums. Not a very good start, I braked too late in T1 so I had a wider line that it should which cost me the leader position. Was for about a lap in P2 then made a move stick at the end of Kemmel straight. The Italian managed to hang on for about 1 more lap then I broke the slipstream and raced on. Was planning to pit end of lap6 but I was still increasing the gap so I decided to do another lap. End of lap 7 I pitted, changed to Hards and put a bit of fuel and I got out with a 7.5s gap. Last 3 laps I put a no-risk stint, the gap decreased to about 3.5s till the end but got the victory and 101 points. Those were enough to put me in 9th in the Romanian leaderboards with a 30point advantage over the 10th.

My DR is now at 22k, so pretty close to my usual level(25-30k). It will be harder from here...
 
Where is the race craft for some people(in a Lancer)? Why fight and nearly push me off on lap 2?! Lap 2!

Feel the race out first. It's a tyre conservation race. Don't let the cars ahead get away.... But nooooooo, gotta make sure we go side by side in the esses, after the Dragon's Snout hairpin.

I was basically cruising behind an M4. Maintaining pace. Once me and the Lancer start throwing elbows, the M4 pulls away with the top half of the field(I started 13th).

Anyway, I manage to breakaway, as the Lancer taggles with cars behind. Catch up to a Slophy that had an odd wall-riding-sparks-flying moment out of T1.
We catch back up to the M4. It's struggling a bit and a 458 catches up to my rear bumper.

Took my time behind the M4, so we can maintain pace to the cars ahead. We're slipping a bit and the 458 seized the moment.
For the last half of the race, it's a tight train of four and then an NSX joins in. I'm in 11th behind the 458. Last lap and the NSX takes the dive into the Snout. We come out in tact and a race four car dash to the finish, sees me cross the line in 12th, ahead of the M4 and a Genesis.

I'll never miss an opportunity to race on my favorite Original Circuit.
 
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EDIT - Tuesday's Nation's race is Gr.1 at RB Ring. 20 laps (56 miles/86km). RM/RH required. 10x tire wear. 3x on fuel = 258km x 0.97 track coefficient - 250km race.

From the fuel consumption list:
Alpine VGT '17
1:49.4 *353kmh ~259.2km

Audi R18 '16
1:49.8 *328kmh ~278.2km

Audi VGT
1:49.8 333kmh ~261.4km

Audi R18 '11
1:49.3 342kmh ~238.0km

Bugatti VGT
1:49.2 340kmh ~252.6km

Dodge SRT Tomahawk VGT
1:47.8 *344kmh ~288.4km

Hyundai N 2025 VGT
1:47.7 *351kmh ~239.5km

Jaguar XJR-9 '88
1:50.4 *358kmh ~258.5km

Mazda LM55 VGT
1:48.2 *360kmh ~276.7km

Mazda 787B '91
1:51.5 *358kmh ~247.5km

McLaren VGT
1:48.0 *353kmh ~236.6km

Mercedes Sauber C9 '89
1:50.7 349kmh ~252.6km

Nissan GT-R LM NISMO '15
1:51.5 324kmh ~289.8km

Nissan R92CP '92
1:50.5 *365kmh ~286.9km

Peugeot L750R Hybrid VGT 2017
1:48.8 *333kmh ~245.3km

Peugeot 908HDi Team Peugeot Total '10
1:48.1 *348kmh ~244.6km

Porsche 962 C '88
1:49.0 252kmh ~289.1km

Porsche 919 Hybrid '16
1:49.1 *333kmh ~260.6km

Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16
1:49.9 328kmh ~330.7km

Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12
1:50.2 339kmh ~294.2km

This really should be hybrid territory with the three slow corners to accelerate out of and straights not quite being long enough for the non-hybrids to make the most of their higher top speed, I'm wondering how fast they'll use their charge in the race though. I can see the Audi struggling after more than a lap, TS050 always charges its battery well but a race at Sardegna it struggled to keep a good charge so here it would likely be the same. The TS030 has a lower capacity on its battery but would probably fully charge it for every acceleration zone and has a higher top speed than the TS050.

I foresee lots of Gr1 testing... which is never a bad thing!
 
I gave the gr.2 cars a big miss at Spa. My confidence and consistency took a huge beating when I tried to drop the TCS and ABS looking for more speed.
I turned it all back on after I had calmed myself down and regained some consistency. Meanwhile my dr rating had taken a hammering dropping from a B to a D which meant that I wasn't even welcome in many lobbies to practice with others.
Have to remind myself that this is just a game. I see others getting upset and it makes me sad. I don't think it is the game (simulator) or the rules, I just think it is the cut throat / beat everyone else attitude that we have all grown up with and is engrained in us. That sort of mentality will never leave us but it would be much more constructive if we aimed at beating ourselves/our previous best effort rather than trying to beat other people. Sure, keep some emphasis on outright performance but reserve the main spotlight for most improved!
Changing the subject slightly, how many and what racing series do people know of where they use TCS and ABS irl? I know that it is used in GT3 cars! How much of a disadvantage do you think it is irl? It may even leave you with an advantage saving tires and a bit of fuel! Do you think Gran Turismo has got this Simulation correct? I can't drive high power cars without these 2 aids but does this mean I should be slower overall? At the gr.4 race at Monza recently I went the entire race on one set of tires. I did a little splash and dash at the end but didn't put new tyres on. It didn't produce a good result mainly because of my poor driving but, with practice, I think I might be able to make it work with the TCS and ABS turned up. Thoughts?

I m not such a good driver and I can tell you is all about practice and confidence. I went from TC 3 to 1 to 0 in my first few months of playing and is totally feasible. Now I drive with tc 0 except for gr 1 and 2 cars where I set it to 1. Try it first in the offline races, than to practice sessions in lobbies and it will come to you naturally
 
I see people talking about TCS as a crutch,and that you should avoid it like the plague, "you will never be fast with help turned on".
Then I go in a race and see 5-7 drivers spin and go on a tangent in tight corners. See, this is what the "crutch" is for. GT 3 and GT 4 cars, and hyper cars (exception being Noble) uses it in real life. For a reason
Now, if you are fast enough so that TCS is holding you up then yes, you should turn it off. But turning it off just to be able to say "I drive with out it", and than careering off into a wall, well then you need it on.
 
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First up, Dragon Trail Gardens. The V8 Aston feels very much at home on this circuit, and I managed to qualify 4th with little effort. All the practice from last week’s Daily Race paid off, however, given the Aston’s tendency to understeer, I did miss the manoeuvrability of the 458 Italia and the Huracan just a little bit. But the lights went out and I went for it, going head to head with several Nissan GT-Rs. The first placed H&R BMW literally drove away with 1st place, but I held onto 4th, making several attacks on 3rd, and then inevitably having to defend against the advances of the GT-R behind me.

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But the Aston had the upper hand, powering out of the tight bends and hugging the line, where the GT-Rs ran wider and wider as tire wear set in. I managed to grow the split between us from 0.2 to several seconds by the end, and crossed the line in 3rd

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Now, Spa. One of my favourite circuits, but the Gr.2 Super GT cars are a handful to say the least, especially when driven on a circuit with significant changes in altitude. So how I managed to qualify on pole I’m not sure - perhaps everyone else was holding back so as to not be first through La Source. Not that I was first for long - despite running mediums for maximum grip at launch, I stuffed it. The traction control system was overloaded, and my Motul Autech GT-R went nowhere. I was in 3rd before the first braking point, but I held my place, and slowly made ground.

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Admittedly I did nearly cause two accidents in the chicane, one on Lap 3 where the back end slipped out under heavy braking, which I turned into a bold overtaking manoeuvre, and another on lap 6 as the GT-R in front slowed early to pit. But no one died and no points were lost, and having pitted for fresh tires on Lap 7, I was in first, surging ahead to an 8 second lead.

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Only that “surging ahead” came at the expense of fuel economy, which I had neglected until I noticed a certain red warning light blinking through Pouhon. I was a lap from finishing, but with only 0.5 laps of fuel left. I gambled on a second pit stop, for a squirt of fuel to get me over the line, and emerged with just 2 seconds of my lead remaining. The GT-R behind me rounded Turn 1 as I passed the secondary pit entrance. But I had the pace and the tires, and crossed the line for my first victory in an FIA series race.

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bit late but after taking a break from GT Sport for over a year in 2019 and returning about a month ago, I made my FIA return last night as the combo of Super GT cars and Spa was too tempting to pass up. was also my debut as an A ranked driver, which I managed to get to earlier on Saturday afternoon.

did the fourth and fifth races - qualified 4th I think in my first race which given I was door number 20 was pretty decent. got the standard bump in T1 and at the end of the Kemmel straight, recovered OK but made a silly mistake by running too far wide on the exit of Fagnes and spinning on that green stuff outside the kerb, cost me time. finished 8th in the end but fine with that given it was my first race at this level.

my second race though, slightly different story. was door number 8, did a good banker lap in quali which somehow was 0.9s faster than anyone else had managed. was so surprised I span on the exit of La Source on my "proper" quali lap! a couple of people got closed to my time but couldn't beat it, so pole it was.

got a good start, was expecting to get punted into oblivion but nope, no contact from behind. led all the way from there to the end, stretching my lead to 11 seconds in total according to the results screen (it was about 6 seconds when I crossed the line so dunno where the extra 5 seconds came from) and bagging only my second FIA win, and my first since wayyyyyy back in Manufacturer Series
Series 2017 - Test Season 6.

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quite enjoying this game at the moment 👍
 
So who performed well at Spa WITHOUT the GTR? I kind of don’t use it out of spite.

Qualified 14th in the ‘16 NSX with a 2:08.3 lap. Decided to start on RH and risk losing a few positions at the start in hopes of drafting people to keep my lap times up. In typical fashion, the first two corners were a train wreck and I avoided ending up facing the wrong way or getting penalties, which put me in 10th place. I pulled off a pass to get up to 9th, another to make it to 8th which I quickly lost down the straight. I moved up to 7th a few laps later after two drivers wrecked each other and held that position.

Moved up 7 positions in total, didn’t lose to anyone NOT running the GTR, only had one minor slip up on cold tires, i’d call it a successful night!

 
What BB should one run for DTG? Really struggling with brakes, it's either I stop too quickly or car oversteers on entry with the Jag...
My general rule of thumb is to have the brake balance set so that on maximum braking the white bar (actual brake force) is as big is it can possibly be while the red bar (reduction in brake force by the ABS) is as small as it can be. Too much at the front and the ABS has to reduce braking effort because the front end does most of the braking anyway, too much at the rear and there's not enough braking effort at the front to slow the car down.

It's usually one or two rearward clicks, but it varies from car to car. You will want some more rear bias on FWD/F4 cars in any case, to reduce front-end tyre wear.
 
Is anyone else going to be in the one stop struggle bus tonight in Manu? It's not even worth trying the GT-R without pitting.

Also, this is the first sub-20 minute race (I can remember) we've had in a while. Hopefully the next groups of ten races up the average distance a bit.
 
My general rule of thumb is to have the brake balance set so that on maximum braking the white bar (actual brake force) is as big is it can possibly be while the red bar (reduction in brake force by the ABS) is as small as it can be. Too much at the front and the ABS has to reduce braking effort because the front end does most of the braking anyway, too much at the rear and there's not enough braking effort at the front to slow the car down.

It's usually one or two rearward clicks, but it varies from car to car. You will want some more rear bias on FWD/F4 cars in any case, to reduce front-end tyre wear.
Thanks a bunch! Had it at +2 but it's usually guess work for me. Now lapped a 1:38.0, should be in the 37.5x come race time
Really worried I'm going to drop back to B this tace as I'm really not comfortable with DTG... went up 3k DR after a win at LeMans, now at 32.7k
Hoping this doesn't end up being a nightmare lol
 
Thanks a bunch! Had it at +2 but it's usually guess work for me. Now lapped a 1:38.0, should be in the 37.5x come race time
It's also worth fiddling with during the lap if you are able to.

Maximum braking effort also translates to understeer, simply because the weight transfer to the front and the deceleration effort reduces the tyre's capacity to turn. When you're heading to the big braking zone on the track, you don't care about understeer so much as getting the car stopped, but on other corners you may want to get the nose tucked in more, or get the back end to move a bit more, and a little extra rearward bias will help with that.
 
It's also worth fiddling with during the lap if you are able to.

Maximum braking effort also translates to understeer, simply because the weight transfer to the front and the deceleration effort reduces the tyre's capacity to turn. When you're heading to the big braking zone on the track, you don't care about understeer so much as getting the car stopped, but on other corners you may want to get the nose tucked in more, or get the back end to move a bit more, and a little extra rearward bias will help with that.
So for example on the downhill hairpin (T5?) I have to move it a bit more towards the rear as the front tyres might have too much load from the weight transfer?
T8/9 are just a matter of getting the initial turn in correct, so going up to +3 may not be a bad idea I'd guess
 
I was pretty successful in race on DTG, during the dailies.
I prefer attacking the hairpin straight towards apex taking the shortest route possible.
The yellow line takes a longer distance, and is way too tempting for people to dive,
Plus it lets you cut over the curb quite a bit. Jmo
It’s kinda like Brands Hatch first right hand hairpin, it’s always safe to hug inside, if you can.
 
I base my BB on trail braking control rather than straight-line braking. If i’m at 20-30% brake force turning in, if the car still understeers I move the BB to the back. If it turns so much that I have to correct my steering angle, I move the BB forward. I never move it more than 2 clicks in one direction. Once I get comfortable with how it drives i’ll do a longer stint with tire wear on. If the car’s mid corner balance deteriorates, i’ll fine tune the balance so the car is still predictable.
 
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