FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[roamingbard13]

Saving fuel is always crucial in races that require fuel to be taken on at a stop, the more you can save without losing time on the track, the more you can gain in the pits. In my last 2 races, I’ve gained 1.8s and 2.6s in the pits on the car ahead of me in each race, got a win and a 2nd instead of a 2nd and 3rd in those races because of it.

I love fuel saving.

Seriously. I do it and a lot of people don't. I love passing people in the pits.

Sardegna might require more than a couple laps on Hards for my Jag though. We'll see how I feel about actually racing after some practice runs. After doing 2 races at RBR earlier this season, I've decided I'm okay saying this about certain combos:

Less frustration, my DR keeps going up, etc, lol

 

[Adam Barber]

I love fuel saving.

Seriously. I do it and a lot of people don't. I love passing people in the pits.

Sardegna might require more than a couple laps on Hards for my Jag though. We'll see how I feel about actually racing after some practice runs. After doing 2 races at RBR earlier this season, I've decided I'm okay saying this about certain combos:

Less frustration, my DR keeps going up, etc, lol

Gaining multiple places on people that haven't fuel saved is the greatest thing l, especially of you were on similar pace to them

 

[GTWolverine]

I love fuel saving.

Seriously. I do it and a lot of people don't. I love passing people in the pits.

Sardegna might require more than a couple laps on Hards for my Jag though. We'll see how I feel about actually racing after some practice runs. After doing 2 races at RBR earlier this season, I've decided I'm okay saying this about certain combos:

Less frustration, my DR keeps going up, etc, lol

I'm gonna try some tinkering with the brake balance and watching replays, but the Corvette's lack of rotation is absolutely killing me here. At Le Mans, having the brake balance at +2 would cause the car to get a little sideways sometimes, but gave it amazing rotation when braking. At Sardegna, I cranked the balance up to +4 and I could barely get the thing to turn in...

 

[roamingbard13]

I'm gonna try some tinkering with the brake balance and watching replays, but the Corvette's lack of rotation is absolutely killing me here. At Le Mans, having the brake balance at +2 would cause the car to get a little sideways sometimes, but gave it amazing rotation when braking. At Sardegna, I cranked the balance up to +4 and I could barely get the thing to turn in...

I ran the vette at Interlagos last night. I want to like it because it's so stable, but it is definitely hard to get to turn in.

I was running the Jag at +2 last night but my lap times were pretty mediocre (19s in FP and 20s in a lobby). Sometimes it's not worth the frustration when some of the other cars can take some turns at full throttle that I have to lift for. We'll see if I can get it all figured out, but I won't mind not racing if that's what it comes to. I skipped Tokyo last week for the same reason and had a few cocktails instead.

 

[Ollie20]

I’m new to the nations and manufactures races. Is there somewhere you can do a race run with tyre wear and fuel to exact setup that will be used. Also I use the gt companion app and it just says 5xRS. Where do I see the other compound? P.s I can’t imagine a 3 stop would be better

 

[GTWolverine]

I ran the vette at Interlagos last night. I want to like it because it's so stable, but it is definitely hard to get to turn in.

I was running the Jag at +2 last night but my lap times were pretty mediocre (19s in FP and 20s in a lobby). Sometimes it's not worth the frustration when some of the other cars can take some turns at full throttle that I have to lift for. We'll see if I can get it all figured out, but I won't mind not racing if that's what it comes to. I skipped Tokyo last week for the same reason and had a few cocktails instead.

I'll probably skip this round if I can't find around 0.5s of time. I also definitely should've skipped Tokyo, but I didn't realize just how truly awful the Gr. 4 'Vette is after the handling update. It can't keep up with the more nimble cars at tighter circuits, and it turns out it's no faster than them in a straight line either!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I ran the vette at Interlagos last night. I want to like it because it's so stable, but it is definitely hard to get to turn in.

I was running the Jag at +2 last night but my lap times were pretty mediocre (19s in FP and 20s in a lobby). Sometimes it's not worth the frustration when some of the other cars can take some turns at full throttle that I have to lift for. We'll see if I can get it all figured out, but I won't mind not racing if that's what it comes to. I skipped Tokyo last week for the same reason and had a few cocktails instead.

Trailbrake is what makes the Mustang turn in much better now after the update. Might be the way on the Vette tio?

 

[actualbourbon]

I’m new to the nations and manufactures races. Is there somewhere you can do a race run with tyre wear and fuel to exact setup that will be used. Also I use the gt companion app and it just says 5xRS. Where do I see the other compound? P.s I can’t imagine a 3 stop would be better

You'll need to start your own online lobby where you can set up the tire and fuel wear (it's to the right of brand central across the top bar)

Here's the full details on the wear and tire requirements: https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/sportmode/championship/2256/round/7

 

[Granadier]

If the optimal strategy for these 3-compound races is to do only a single lap on the hard tires to meet the requirement then there's absolutely no reason why RH should be required.

It makes no sense and PD should really drop that mentality. Either have 2-compound races or extend the number of laps for 3-compound races. This whole season has just been about disrupting the flow of racing for quick dives into the pits to fulfill arbitrary compound requirements.

 

[roamingbard13]

If the optimal strategy for these 3-compound races is to do only a single lap on the hard tires to meet the requirement then there's absolutely no reason why RH should be required.

It makes no sense and PD should really drop that mentality. Either have 2-compound races or extend the number of laps for 3-compound races. This whole season has just been about disrupting the flow of racing for quick dives into the pits to fulfill arbitrary compound requirements.

I still think they're trying to punish us for them not thinking through the strategy at Laguna during the last round.

 

[Pigems]

I’m new to the nations and manufactures races. Is there somewhere you can do a race run with tyre wear and fuel to exact setup that will be used. Also I use the gt companion app and it just says 5xRS. Where do I see the other compound? P.s I can’t imagine a 3 stop would be better

Just set up a lobby to the proper settings, here’s a list of all the settings for the rest of the season. Make sure off course traction is always set to ”Real” and not “Low”.

 

[GTWolverine]

Trailbrake is what makes the Mustang turn in much better now after the update. Might be the way on the Vette tio?

I'd love to trail brake, and did it all the time in GT5 and 6, but the braking dead zone is so stupidly massive in this game that it's impossible for me to do. Whenever I think I'm trail braking, when I go back and watch the replay I see that I've completely released the brakes even though I was still pressing on the pedal. It's not a hardware problem either, because I had the same issues when I was using a controller. I have no idea how the aliens do it (well, aside from being aliens...)

 

[Pigems]

I'd love to trail brake, and did it all the time in GT5 and 6, but the braking dead zone is so stupidly massive in this game that it's impossible for me to do. Whenever I think I'm trail braking, when I go back and watch the replay I see that I've completely released the brakes even though I was still pressing on the pedal. It's not a hardware problem either, because I had the same issues when I was using a controller. I have no idea how the aliens do it (well, aside from being aliens...)

It just takes some practice and muscle memory, it can definitely be done though, and I’m no Alien.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I'd love to trail brake, and did it all the time in GT5 and 6, but the braking dead zone is so stupidly massive in this game that it's impossible for me to do. Whenever I think I'm trail braking, when I go back and watch the replay I see that I've completely released the brakes even though I was still pressing on the pedal. It's not a hardware problem either, because I had the same issues when I was using a controller. I have no idea how the aliens do it (well, aside from being aliens...)

I am more of a mud crawler and so far away from the aliens that they might as well be real aliens.
And I am on a DS4, but I can still do it. Never go 100% on the brake then gently let it come up while turning in. It's probably a good idea to practice offline but it can certainly be done. If I can everyone can learn.

 

[milehighmadd]

In practice last night, I was only losing 0.5s/lap on the medium tires over softs. I did stint on softs at start and end of the race, but think I'll try 12-13 RM / 7-9 RS / 1-2 RH (+fuel if needed). Short shifting nearly got me through race without needing fuel. I went from 38%-53% when I did refuel and ended race with 8% remaining, so simple math tells me that I only needed no more than 7% to get me through the rest of the race (in which I actually went all revved out for the final 9 laps).

EDIT - On closer look, I only needed to add 5% fuel (62%/13 laps * 22 laps = 105%).

Also, if anyone has tips how to properly execute the ambulance turn, I'm all ears. Can't seem to figure that one out ... I'm guessing a very short drop to 1st gear helps but I should be able to complete the turn in 2nd. (in 911)

 

[Granadier]

I still think they're trying to punish us for them not thinking through the strategy at Laguna during the last round.

I'd argue we thought through it too much

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In reality I would assume the push towards 3-compound races with stiffer penalties for not obeying the rules is part of their desire to make the FIA races more in line with what is shown during the World Tour events. Main problem with that though is the WT races have multiple drivers and required minimum laps on tire compounds.

 

[GR33N]

I tend to overdrive at Suzuka thus visit grassy/sandy parts of the track too often. So I was leaning towards an easy-to-drive car and was thinking about the WRX there tomorrow?
I have very low experience of the different cars in Gr. 3 so I'm not sure it's a good idea or not.
Any hint?

Edit: I'm currently slightly above 41k DR if that means anything in terms of car selection

 

[watto79]

I tend to overdrive at Suzuka thus visit grassy/sandy parts of the track too often. So I was leaning towards an easy-to-drive car and was thinking about the WRX there tomorrow?
I have very low experience of the different cars in Gr. 3 so I'm not sure it's a good idea or not.
Any hint?

Edit: I'm currently slightly above 41k DR if that means anything in terms of car selection

I'd suggest giving the Mercedes AMG'16 a go. I find it stable with predictable handling.

Im mot saying its better than the WRX but I haven't really driven that one much.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

If the optimal strategy for these 3-compound races is to do only a single lap on the hard tires to meet the requirement then there's absolutely no reason why RH should be required.

It makes no sense and PD should really drop that mentality. Either have 2-compound races or extend the number of laps for 3-compound races. This whole season has just been about disrupting the flow of racing for quick dives into the pits to fulfill arbitrary compound requirements.

It's PD trying to avoid having everyone follow the same strat and have a parade fest. It does work but comes off as a bit silly because:

1. Races are too short, either severely limiting strategy options or forcing mega high multipliers on us.

2. For the most part, hards are useless. Ideally, they should be faster than the other tires after a certain point but they rarely are.

3. In Gr4, the tire wear disparity means some can use the best tire far longer than others.

 

[SpecMiata-JSW]

It's PD trying to avoid having everyone follow the same strat and have a parade fest. It does work but comes off as a bit silly because:

1. Races are too short, either severely limiting strategy options or forcing mega high multipliers on us.

2. For the most part, hards are useless. Ideally, they should be faster than the other tires after a certain point but they rarely are.

3. In Gr4, the tire wear disparity means some can use the best tire far longer than others.

I would love to see PD offer longer races on Saturday nights. That way you could focus on either Nations or Manufacturer's and have a legitimate hour long race. If you get tired of a combo, then you can switch series.

 

[GTWolverine]

I tend to overdrive at Suzuka thus visit grassy/sandy parts of the track too often. So I was leaning towards an easy-to-drive car and was thinking about the WRX there tomorrow?
I have very low experience of the different cars in Gr. 3 so I'm not sure it's a good idea or not.
Any hint?

Edit: I'm currently slightly above 41k DR if that means anything in terms of car selection

The GT-Rs will pull bus-lengths on you on the straights, while you might gain a few inches back in the corners in the WRX. I set a lap time in the WRX earlier this week, and then left my ghost in the dust when I tried out the GT-R. Of course it can be fun and challenging to race something that is decidedly NOT the META, but when it's for actual points I'm using the META.

 

[CurbHog]

Stage 1 Race 7 Sardegna Road Track B
Here is a lap guide.
I was 2 s slower than alien territory. Any one care to comment on improvements ?

 

[milehighmadd]

Stage 1 Race 7 Sardegna Road Track B
Here is a lap guide.
I was 2 s slower than alien territory. Any one care to comment on improvements ?

Haven't tested this car and it's hard to see areas of improvement without seeing an uninterrupted lap from you, but it seems like you could shave off almost a full second from how you are shifting into and out of T1. Could probably benefit from shifting into 1st gear before the curb runs out on the right side then pop back into 2nd as your reach the apex and throttle out. Might even be able to brake deeper going into T1 as well.

Also seems like you're losing time braking into the uphill right at the end of sector 2.

 

[TeddyWestside]

The discipline in the North American races at Le Mans was shocking. I took timeout from racing between that night and tomorrow (save for credit-farming overnight lobbies).

Manu, North America

Slot 1:

Highlights (8 minutes):



Slot 2:

Sadly, my ISP decided to lose connection just as the results were confirmed, and prevented me saving the replay, because it would have shown the most inexcusably dirty driving by one moron who proceeded to ram, side-swerve and block every time I encountered him during the race. This delightful person's username implied he's a 'highway-blocking pig' if you see what I mean, and he certainly lived down to that name. In the end, he just rammed me so hard into the wall at one of the tight right-handers that I actually received front and rear damage, engine damage, and steering damage. I don't remember ever receiving all those in one incident before!🤬 SR completely ruined, down to B/A. I had finished P13 (zero pts due to the lost connection), though strangely, when I screen-shotted the 'Disconnected' pop-up, I was shown as P1

Slot 3:

Qually was ruined by a guy in a Supra, with me getting 2s, and almost immediately after, a further 4s because of his early braking before reaching the turn in for a corner. And I'd let him, and half the field get way ahead to give myself space, so I should have been nowhere close to reaching him on my hot lap! He messed up a few others' qualifying too. I suppose it's the game's fault for allowing E/S beginners to race alongside B/S, B/A and similar drivers. That 'S' counts for little in your first few days in the game. The 2s was bad enough, but the 4s was ridiculous in the extreme.

Qually:


Highlights (4 minutes):


As it happened, this one earned me more points even though I'd had a DR reset because there was and S/A driver in there (OSRT_CJ7_PRODIGY), who apologised for his presence! But it meant a higher points payout. P15 start. Some more bad behaviour in this one, but also two phantom penalties at Indianapolis. That is, until I looked at the replays of them. In both cases, all 4 wheels were over the dashed line before entering the right-hander, and the penalty came up as I entered the left-hander, so that could be the cause of the phantom penalties we hate so much perhaps? Anyway, finished P8 for 73 pts, second highest for the season so far. Still stuck down at B/B, even after a few races at RBR. Little, if any opportunity to get back to B/S for this weekend...

 

[milehighmadd]

Got 30:34 essentially at Sardegna (-10s for incident) in a practice race.

Did 1h/7m/8s/6s (started P11 of 13) which was 10s faster than 2-stop. Took 11% fuel final stint. Finished P6.

1:20.3xx average on RS.
1:22.6xx average on RM.

 

[LVS_1986]

Morning everyone! Got question to ones who did simulation of Nations at Suzuka. Is it gonna be 3 stopper? For example 5s/5s/5m/1h?

 

[milehighmadd]

Morning everyone! Got question to ones who did simulation of Nations at Suzuka. Is it gonna be 3 stopper? For example 5s/5s/5m/1h?

Essentially yes.

Believe Kie did 6631 on his testing stream earlier today on the GTR. Even a tire-friendly car would be x2 stints on softs.

Correction: 2stop on Alfa is doable. How competitive? Not sure. Practice time was 33:37

 

[ShiftingGears]

Just got disconnected with an NE-210A10A1 message. Does anyone know if this error is on my side or PDs side?

 

[LVS_1986]

Essentially yes.

Believe Kie did 6631 on his testing stream earlier today on the GTR. Even a tire-friendly car would be x2 stints on softs.

Thank you mister

 

[05XR8]

Nice!

Qualified on RH just to stay away from the GT-Rs up top. Saw some cars touring the gravel on lap 1. Especially, an RSR ahead of me into T1. The other Atenza started 5th.
I ran 9RH/4RM/3RS(added .6 lap of fuel, to go full throttle for those 3 laps).
Had FL as I caught that GT-R, but had to slow early as it was on worn tyres for the 130R and for the final chicane.

I qualified with a 2:02.xxx, 4 seconds from pole. Ran a few 2:02s toward the end of the first stint. Could have run longer. I guess that's the draw. Feeling I could run to the finish on those tyres.
Anyway, set 2:01s with the RMs and got into the 9s and almost an 8 until that final chicane.

I'm digging the tyres coming up to tempts. Might have been better, to jump on the RS one lap earlier. Good stuff.