FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[bloodyboyblue]

Yes, you are still 1st for Subaru. Congrats.

I'm a big Subaru fan but after Dragon Trail Gardens I'm really starting to dislike the Gr. 4 WRX. I'm not an AWD fan to begin with but I figured I could make it work, especially since none of the other Manufacturers I tried had me really convinced, besides the Citroën GR. 4 which I do feel very good in. Suzuka was a disaster because I just broke down and made silly mistakes. But after Tokyo I was confident. I managed to gain places and bag nearly 600 points on what is probably the worst track for the Gr. 4 WRX. I was ninth for Subaru despite the Suzuka disaster. So I was thinking Dragon Trail would be good to me. I'm an A/S - fast driver but nothing exceptional, however I had targeted top 10 with Subaru and top 200 in the global rankings.

Qualified 16th last night after screwing up the chicane on my first lap. For laps 2 and 3 the tires were already too worn to get in another fast lap. Race was going good, very clean all around. By lap two I was up to 12th, pulling away from those behind and catching a group of cars that were battling. Tire wear was pretty bad but manageable. I pit at the end of lap 7 along with everyone in front of me. Changed tires and loaded very little fuel since consumption was so low. But somehow I lost two places in the pits. So beginning lap 8 I was 14th. I don't know what happened at this point, but even with fresh tires the understeer was just horrible. I was quickly dropped to 15th and those guys I had passed and was pulling away from in the first stint were now pulling away from me. By lap 10 the tires were just shredded at 50%. Got passed on the last lap and fell back to 16th but I gained two places due to penalties and managed 14th place, but less than 300 points.

I am at a total loss for words. I was putting in decent times for an A driver in free practice (high 1:38s) and in an FIA practice lobby 1:39s and 1:40s in race trim. I just don't understand why the car's performance just dropped off a cliff after the pit stop. I was sure I was going to end up between 6th and 8th judging my pace before the stop with a whole bunch of cars right in front of me. Maybe I'm just retarded but I am starting to regret choosing Subaru.

I’ve had that same problem in probably about half the races in this game, occasionally in GT6, and almost every race in PCARS/PCARS2. My car also is slower after the pit stop and handles completely differently, and only so much can be explained by fuel load. PCARS has tire pressures thrown into the mix but still. The Mazda Gr.4 was the most pronounced for me always.

 

[Pfei]

I’ve had that same problem in probably about half the races in this game, occasionally in GT6, and almost every race in PCARS/PCARS2. My car also is slower after the pit stop and handles completely differently, and only so much can be explained by fuel load. PCARS has tire pressures thrown into the mix but still. The Mazda Gr.4 was the most pronounced for me always.

Definitely not intending to start any kind of PC vs GT war so I will just present the facts: in PC it is well known there are some strange setup/tire/pitstop bugs that can have an effect on car behavior. But in GTS I wouldn't expect that because it doesn't simulate tire temps nor pressure nor track conditions. Also setups are banned in FIA races. That's why I'm at a loss for words. Theoretically our cars should behave exactly the same on the outlap of a pitstop that they do at the start of the race plus/minus some fuel load differences. I also felt some extra understeer after the pit stop in Tokyo but it didn't hurt that much because of the nature of the track. In DT-G the "extra" understeer on the second stint murdered me.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Im not complaining, Just showing my race, 1.5laps of it at least. Penalty system was very unfair as i got twice a Pen for a total of 12sec.
Watch until the end

There is no way that those weren’t intentional targeted attacks. I’ve taken out at least 30 people over the years in ways that looked far more accidental than that.

 

[DrAug]

There is no way that those weren’t intentional targeted attacks. I’ve taken out at least 30 people over the years in ways that looked far more accidental than that.

If its intentional, then im really disappointed

 

[Sharkart_Kun]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

 

[DriftMethod]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

Not a surprise at all. This was briefly discussed while everyone was waiting for the FIA details.

 

[sundaydriving]

There is no way that those weren’t intentional targeted attacks. I’ve taken out at least 30 people over the years in ways that looked far more accidental than that.

Looks like it doesn't it. That second one at the end was so obvious even I can recognise it.

I had to watch it over again just to see if I could spot the moment where they decided to go full retard, because they went full retard.

 

[adstomko]

Slightly off-topic but, do any of the 60000+ DR drivers want to do some private lobby racing this weekend and between the breaks of the two seasons?

 

[_ApexPredator]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

 

[DrAug]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

That would be embarrassing

 

[bloodyboyblue]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

I agree, but using pretty much the same name as your main account isn’t a very subtle way to do it.

It is a viable strategy, in the same way that guy pulling in front of @vvise and getting him to give him a boost to get back up to speed after he messed up is also a viable strategy. Technically. If you don’t have any ethics.

 

[ASH32]

Not a surprise at all. This was briefly discussed while everyone was waiting for the FIA details.

Yes and that was before Nissan dangled the carrot of big prizes to encourage even more of this. I don't know if those incidents were intentional or not and don't want to get into that but it is for certain that some people will try to take out their competition, especially if it goes unpunished and it helps them win on their other account.

 

[adstomko]

That would be embarrassing

I notice you get a lot of bad luck in races, and I thought I did!
Hope to race you again in the future. I appreciate your racing etiquette/understanding of racing wheel-to-wheel.

 

[Matty28]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

Well it sure looks like he really cares about where Augh finishes while simultaneously not caring where he finishes on that second account

 

[mclarenLB]

I just thought that people may want to use a account not intended to compete to take direct competion out. Just a thought.

Well hes broken the competition rules (Clearly states maximum 1 entry) so as far as Im concerned, one report and this is probably over for him.

He'll compete to the end of Season 3, but its entirely PDs discretion who they invite to the finals.

 

[ZokyCRO]

Im not complaining, Just showing my race, 1.5laps of it at least. Penalty system was very unfair as i got twice a Pen for a total of 12sec.
Watch until the end

I explained it to you what happened and what were the reasons, with an apology. It's unacceptable on what happned and I feel very sad that I hit you twice even, because you have my huge respect on track..(I believe we had more than few excellent races together so far) All I can say there was no intention in both hits to hit anyone,unlike Matty's clear intention to ruin my first race and as it turned out the rest of the night.

 

[mclarenLB]

I explained it to you what happened and what were the reasons, with an apology. It's un acceptable

The fact that you had the nerve to fire on Matty 15 minutes after that race though is something else dude.

 

[Matty28]

Matty's clear intention to ruin my first race and as it turned out the rest of the night.

Side by side into a corner = clear intent to ruin race
Braking 3 miles too late and steering towards Augh despite huge gap he could have gone down to avoid = not clear intent

Same manufacturer as well. What a coincidence!

 

[ZokyCRO]

If you have done a mistake on braking, due to missing a brake point, slipstreams or poor visibility I would have gone over it straight away, this on the other hand was clear intention of ramming into me or screwing me over by forcing me to go wide, because you knew you don't stand a chance otherwise in that lancer. That's a fact.

 

[Cuber Tom]

If you have done a mistake on braking, due to missing a brake point, slipstreams or poor visibility I would have gone over it straight away, this on the other hand was clear intention of ramming into me or screwing me over by forcing me to go wide, because you knew you don't stand a chance otherwise in that lancer. That's a fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

 

[mclarenLB]

If you have done a mistake on braking, due to missing a brake point, slipstreams or poor visibility I would have gone over it straight away, this on the other hand was clear intention of ramming into me or screwing me over by forcing me to go wide, because you knew you don't stand a chance otherwise in that lancer. That's a fact.

Apparently we are discovering new depths on how much someone can gutterball their reputation and credibility today.

In little over 24 hours, you managed to:

• Completely blow a relatively minor racing incident out of proportion, insulting the other driver involved
• Insult 'the next generation of racing' calling it 'hopeless' because they disagree with your opinion
• You then posted your own racing ruleset, which was fair, and then proceeded to breach at least 6 of the rules on said ruleset
• Footage that looks awfully suspiciously like you intentionally wrecking comes out
• Said footage is on a second account that belongs to you, entering the competition more than once is against the rules
• You then apologise for the incident with Augh (Fair enough), but still claim that Matty caused the original incident intentionally, which absolutely everyone agrees is not the case.

I'd probably call it a day man.

 

[vvise]

In contrast to a devastating mfg race, the nations race went surprisingly well. I even gained a position going through turn one and it stayed clean and penalty free. I had some contact through the second chicane and the first lesmo but I feel like I left enough room. It's kind of hard to say, do you guys think I'm in the wrong?

 

[Suntek]

If its intentional, then im really disappointed

Thats called grasshopping t-boning: when one goes for space where space is none, eats grass to squeeze in and then rams into everyone on the way.

Worst kind you will find in racing basically.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Double apex corner is not a continuing radius corner, it has the same characteristics of the constant radius corner.
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For the application of perhaps figuring out the best PREFERRED line for a car through the corner as a competitor perhaps.

But that same logic DOES NOT APPLY as to how that sector of track will be viewed when it concerns car positioning in relation to what car would have the the rights to what line from the beginning of turn 1 through the exit of turn 2.

It is so hard to understand that a constant continuous radius would only have 1 apex while a series of turns separated by a straight no matter how short would the be 2 separate turns each with the distinct properties of having their OWN INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCE-APEX- EXIT which would clearly classify them as BEING SEPARATE CORNERS with each corner possessing its own separate rules concerning a racers entitlement to the preferred racing line totally independent of the other non connected corner?

Talking about someone that lacks understanding concerning the rules of the racetrack. What is so hard to understand and what does it take to get you to be able to comprehend that Matty did nothing wrong entered went through the apex and exited corner 1 on the inside of the car in the outside lane.

Matty was fully abreast on the inside of the outside car at the end of the short straight to the entrance and apex of corner 2 and maintained his inside line while the outside car turned into and initiated the contact with Matty while he was in the inside lane that due to car position entering the corner he was the driver entitled to that racing line without question?

Matty was not the the car at fault here, he actually as a racer seized the opportunity where another racer made a mistake and left the door wide open to go through that open door, secure his racing line cleanly and then was hit by the racer that screwed up and left the door open.

Afterwards the racer that screwed up and left the door open, initiated the contact and received a penalty from the game for his efforts wants to call out a racer and try to shift the blame for the incident to the racer that actually showed much better racing awareness and did nothing wrong!

Actually I cannot believe anyone cannot look at the video and series of events and really although fairly minor actually see it any other way.

 

[ZokyCRO]

1. That minor incident costed me a chance to secure 1st spot in manufacturers cup in emea region for this season as this was 2986 points on stake, hardly a minor from my perspective.

2. Hopeless because most of you newcomers fail to understand the basics of fair play racing.

3. Un intentional mistakes happen to everyone, especially after someone destroys all of your chances in start, penalty system which is a joke and unfortunately only a few laps of practice with a car that I have not driven before. That is not my rule set, general guidelines that gtplanet accepted years before you were holding a controller.

4. Take a look at the link cubertom posted above that leads to wikipedia.

5. We both know that star player registration can only get one person. Allready explained that I am a resident of 2 countries and don't see a problem at this stage. But, I will definitely pick UK if I can so don't worry. I am here to keep you company.

6. Again link to wikipedia.

This divebombings and divelandmining, call it whatever you like have been going on for months now and they are the only reason why I decided to post this here. And it's all coming from megane's, lancer's, subarus (except Mikails) thinking they own every corner with their famous awd.

And this was the perfect example, he was more than +500sec behind when we started to brake for the corner, I went a bit wide to give dayrone enough space and avoid penalty, also to have perfect traction on corner exit, he storms in with his awd, knows he doesn't have a chance to overtake on corner exit, knows that he is probably in my blind spot and that I may not see him, knows that the penalty system is completely broken and yet still tries to push through the gap that doesn't exist. . For me that is clear intention to ruin someons race and I didn't get an apology for that. Everything what happened after that was not right from my side and I do apologise, I snapped because I am tired of this atempts allready.

EOD for me.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

This is a bit like listening to a Donald Trump speech. You really want to see where he’s coming from and try to empathize with him but it just causes depression.

 

[mthomas_95]

 

[mclarenLB]

Well I tried guys. *shrug*

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I went a bit wide to give dayrone enough space and avoid penalty, also to have perfect traction on corner exit, he storms in with his awd, knows he doesn't have a chance to overtake on corner exit, knows that he is probably in my blind spot and that I may not see him, knows that the penalty system is completely broken and yet still tries to push through.

You went wide and left the door open and why you went wide would be of no concern to a driver attempting an overtake.

He uses the STRENGTH OF HIS CARS AWD to pull abreast and even from the exit of turn 1 through the straight approaching turn 2.

He does not know he cannot complete the pass, you already made one mistake through turn 1 and may well make another through turn 2 which will give him the position, that is why it is called racing!

It is not his concern that you have a blind spot and it is not his responsibility that you be aware of where he is on the track, it is your responsibility as a racer to have your very own situational awareness, again quit blaming others for your mistakes and shortcomings.

He did not turn into you, you turned into him so your penalty was your doing all to yourself.

That minor incident costed me a chance to secure 1st spot in manufacturers cup in emea region for this season as this was 2986 points on stake, hardly a minor from my perspective.

Because your racecraft and situational awareness apparently was not good enough to avoid the incident any chance it may have cost you for securing first in the championship is not anybodies fault but your own as you are the one that screwed up!

End of story, it is so simple a cave man could understand it!

 

[Matty28]

I think the truth lies deeper and what he's saying is just the symptom. Underneath he knows his racing was poor & the incident was minor and he is just clutching at straws trying to prove that I am the cause of all his problems.

I think he already had a pre-existing hatred for me and anyone else with AWD cars and people who are not established names from previous competitions, most likely because of elitism:
-"most of you newcomers"
-the idea he is the only one who understands fair racing
-"guidelines that gtplanet accepted years before you were holding a controller."

With this in mind, he doesn't consider me (or mthomas) a genuine competitor but rather an annoying fly getting in the way of his rightful victory - no respect. This is why a week ago or so he had a go at mthomas for not letting him past or something, and why he closed the door, posted about it here, is stubbornly refusing explanations and drove very poorly. He has certainly experienced side to side contact many times before and not posted anything about it. It seems like a potential explanation for it to me anyway (not for what happened with Augh). I've never seen this from anyone else, every other time I've had some contact with someone either I've convinced them within a few messages it wasn't my fault or it was no one's fault or apologised if it was and we've gone on our merry way. I don't think you get this kind of reaction normally.