FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[K32]

That rule applies for the braking zone only, otherwise car infront has full right to the racing line and the car behind must avoid contact at any cost.
Majority of drivers in GT Sport do not obey this rule and thats why every race is like armaggedon.


He clearly stays 2nd for the whole time as you can see on the leaderboard.
(To be clear, I dont defend Zoky personaly, I would say this for any driver in this situation)

Now, my manufacturers race... Penalties ahoy!

Just looking at the thumbnail for the video (and knowing how many top drivers are using that car) it's safe to say that about every 5th driver is using the Nissan for Manufacturer races in Europe.
Great job PD. This is why you don't let just one car brand advertise your game. You need to encourage all manufacturers to do some promotion, which creates a loyal fanbase with each one (and you need to fix your BoP). Now there's not much competition for the top spot in any other manufacturer.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Considering the last corner on the track to actually be 2 separate corners just proofs that all hope is lost for some of you.

Actually the incident itself was not that big a deal and other than the game handing out the penalty neither driver really suffered a great loss as a result of the actual incident.

The biggest problem in my opinion was that ZokyCRO decided to call out Matty28 as being at fault for the incident.

In my opinion which I have very plainly pointed out earlier in this thread that the evidence points out that Matty had the required position and IF you were going to assign blame and a penalty then the game had correctly penalized the right car in this incident.

This is one of the current problems with the penalty system is assessing penalties for infractions that neither driver was damaged in his race by the incident to a point that deserved a penalty be served up.

Granted that does not change my opinion of who was at fault here in this particular incident in any way only that a minor racing incident was blown out of proportion by the game assessing a penalty time of such magnitude for such minor contact that did not result in either driver suffering major harm.

Even if the game wanted to punish the offending driver as a statement that contact racing was not acceptable a penalty of 1-1.5 seconds would have been more than adequate.

ZokyCRO for some reason seems to think that other racers should not race him hard for position and as long as he is the one that initiates making contact with another car on track it is automatically the others cars fault for already being where he wants to go.

He is the type of racer that is part of the problem and not the solution.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Just looking at the thumbnail it's safe to say that about every 5th driver is using the Nissan for Manufacturer races in Europe.
Great job PD.

It's not PDs fault in my opinion. Every other manufacturer could have made an event like the one from Nissan. Usually i wanted to choose subaru because it's my favourite manufacturer in real life but after seeing what nissan offers when choosing them i chose Nissan. Let alone having the opportunity of going to spain, silverstone and for the winner from spain travelling to Japan Meeting the team etc is a great thing! That's the reason why i and probably a lot of the other drivers chose Nissan as their manufacturer as well

 

[K32]

It's not PDs fault in my opinion. Every other manufacturer could have made an event like the one from Nissan. Usually i wanted to choose subaru because it's my favourite manufacturer in real life but after seeing what nissan offers when choosing them i chose Nissan. Let alone having the opportunity of going to spain, silverstone and for the winner from spain travelling to Japan Meeting the team etc is a great thing! That's the reason why i and probably a lot of the other drivers chose Nissan as their manufacturer as well

It's great promotion (and I understand why you amazing drivers would have a crack at it), but if only a single car brand does it, it turns out to be a one-make manufacturer championship, and that's exactly the opposite of what PD, and most of the players, would want for this series. They want to drive for their favourite manufacturer, show that they're loyal.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

It's great promotion (and I understand why you amazing drivers would have a crack at it), but if only a single car brand does it, it turns out to be a one-make manufacturer championship, and that's exactly the opposite of what PD, and most of the players, would want for this series.

Yeah i have to agree with you but as i mentioned the other manufacturers could have done it as well and it was a smart move by Nissan because the fastest guys of each region would be choosing nissan just because of this anyway

 

[mclarenLB]

The biggest problem in my opinion was that ZokyCRO decided to call out Matty28 as being at fault for the incident.

This is my problem too, to pick such a blurred and dividing incident and pin it 100% on the other driver, then calling them out publically is where this took an unnecessary turn for the worse.

 

[K32]

Yeah i have to agree with you but as i mentioned the other manufacturers could have done it as well and it was a smart move by Nissan because the fastest guys of each region would be choosing nissan just because of this anyway

It was definitely a smart-move, what I'm bewildered at is how no other manufacturer decided to do it as well. Aren't any of them following these sorts of championships, especially being supported by the FIA (I know Mercedes does the RaceRoom DTM challenge or something of the sort, but that's pretty much it)?

And for the Subaru, I have only two words :

Great interview for TRL by the way. 👍

 

[Mikail Hizal]

It was definitely a smart-move, what I'm bewildered at is how no other manufacturer decided to do it as well. Aren't any of them following these sorts of championships, especially being supported by the FIA (I know Mercedes does the RaceRoom DTM challenge or something of the sort, but that's pretty much it)?

Yeah i am also kinda shocked about it. Personally i thought that this was the chance of having some conversation and relationships with the manufacturer you chose from the very beginning and maybe they could support you in a way for the future events but i guess i was wrong

 

[mclarenLB]

Yeah i am also kinda shocked about it. Personally i thought that this was the chance of having some conversation and relationships with the manufacturer you chose from the very beginning and maybe they could support you in a way for the future events but i guess i was wrong

Its still a pretty small scale thing for now, if this picks up more steam this will absolutely start happening

 

[Mikail Hizal]

Its still a pretty small scale thing for now, if this picks up more steam this will absolutely start happening

Hopefully

for the Subaru, I have only two words :

Great interview for TRL by the way. 👍

Haha Cheers m8! I was kinda nervous there ^^'

 

[ivann]

I know those final 2 corners on Gardens sort of blend into 1 corner, but they are infact 2 seperate corners and 2 seperate apexs and should be treated as such.

Now this is just making things up.
It is absolutely 1 corner with 2 turns!
Term corner consists of: usually a braking zone - 1) turn in point 2) apex 3) exit.
There can be multiple apexes, or in this case an overall apex which is placed where the turn 1 exit blends with turn 2 turn in point, between 2 normal apexes.

Real life example (taken from http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/corners.html)
Double apex corner, Sepang, turns 7 & 8.
Explanation:
From time to time, two successive corners will line up in such a way that it enables a driver to attack them both as a single corner.
This means the first corners' exit (phase 3) and the second corners' entry (phase 1) become essentially both corners phase 2, or the overall corner apex. In this instance, the 2nd phase is rather large and may contain some throttle adjustments. The car must be set to allow mid-corner throttle adjustments to not effect the car in a negative way.
Because of these things, these types of corners have the same characteristics of the constant radius corner.

 

[mclarenLB]

@TRL LIGHTNING Are you doing the Round 4s on Saturday? I ask because you technically don't need to on your throne of thousands of points

 

[ivann]

Just looking at the thumbnail for the video (and knowing how many top drivers are using that car) it's safe to say that about every 5th driver is using the Nissan for Manufacturer races in Europe.
Great job PD. This is why you don't let just one car brand advertise your game. You need to encourage all manufacturers to do some promotion, which creates a loyal fanbase with each one (and you need to fix your BoP). Now there's not much competition for the top spot in any other manufacturer.

I was driving Nissan well over a month before Nissan cup announcement (I noticed Zkippe doing the same).
Nobody else. Now Nissan has cca 500 signed drivers and I am not happy.

 

[Mikail Hizal]

@TRL LIGHTNING Are you doing the Round 4s on Saturday? I ask because you technically don't need to on your throne of thousands of points

Haha. I will drive the manufacturers cup just in case because i want to be first on the Nissan ranking. I don't care about the race win tho but overall i want to be first with the Nissan at the end of it (because of the nissan cup haha)

 

[mclarenLB]

Now this is just making things up.
It is absolutely 1 corner with 2 turns!
Term corner consists of: usually a braking zone - 1) turn in point 2) apex 3) exit.
There can be multiple apexes, or in this case an overall apex which is placed where the turn 1 exit blends with turn 2 turn in point, between 2 normal apexes.

Real life example (taken from http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/corners.html)
Double apex corner, Sepang, turns 7 & 8.
Explanation:
From time to time, two successive corners will line up in such a way that it enables a driver to attack them both as a single corner.
This means the first corners' exit (phase 3) and the second corners' entry (phase 1) become essentially both corners phase 2, or the overall corner apex. In this instance, the 2nd phase is rather large and may contain some throttle adjustments. The car must be set to allow mid-corner throttle adjustments to not effect the car in a negative way.
Because of these things, these types of corners have the same characteristics of the constant radius corner.
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Right but by that logic, if you enter the coner with a wide line (Like Zoky did, the line he took through the first 'turn' of the 'corner' was wide and not the optimal racing line) and a car gets sufficient overlap on the inside as a result of your wide line (as Matty did), theres nothing to suddenly give the outside car the optimal line when the car alongside has sufficient overlap. Especially when he never had the optimal line in the first place.

Giving space there on the inside in that situation is good racecraft and fair game.

This in-depth discussion proves how much this screams RACING INCIDENT and how silly it was to call Matty out publically.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Yeah i am also kinda shocked about it. Personally i thought that this was the chance of having some conversation and relationships with the manufacturer you chose from the very beginning and maybe they could support you in a way for the future events but i guess i was wrong

With the cost of fielding a real world top shelf racing team and running a full season in todays economy and sponsorship dollars becoming harder and harder for the teams to secure it could well be that E-SPORTS will be the primary pro motorsports racing exposure of the future generations.

Nissan has the ability to gain months worth of very positive exposure to a very large audience of many 1000's of motorsports enthusiast from ages that are not yet old enough to drive to those that may be in the market to purchase a new vehicle tomorrow for a promotion that in its entirety will probably cost the company much less than what the cost of their sponsorship for 1 weekend is to a real world racing team.

Smart move for Nissan and yes I think you will see this type of involvement and participation by the auto manufacturers grow as E-MOTORSPORTS gains in both popularity and respect as a legitimate outlet as a sport or competition.

From time to time, two successive corners will line up in such a way that it enables a driver to attack them both as a single corner.

You made the statement yourself "two successive corners will line up"
That says two corners not one!

then "Attack them as a single corner"
Again attack THEM as a single corner not that they are or considered a single corner on the layout of the circuit.

Because of these things, these types of corners have the same characteristics of the constant radius corner.

Same characteristics of how best to determine a racing line does not change the fact they are two separate corners divided apart by a straight section of racetrack as shown in your illustration.

Maybe you should try again as this was a major fail trying to change two corners into one!

 

[mclarenLB]

Haha. I will drive the manufacturers cup just in case because i want to be first on the Nissan ranking. I don't care about the race win tho but overall i want to be first with the Nissan at the end of it (because of the nissan cup haha)

Awesome, hopefully see you on track then! Im doing both

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Deliberately entered the elite Nations lobby just to ride around at the back and pick up some points. The best I could run was in the 52s at race settings, and the leaders were in the 49s. Didn’t do terrible for most of it but had a succession of spins at the end. Whatever, my 18th in that race gave me more points than my 18th at Le Sarthe. Finishing mid pack at Maggiore will be enough to improve on both of them.

Did well in Manufacturers, qualified 14th and finished 10th as the 13th seed in the room. Would’ve gotten 9th if not for a silly penalty I had to serve at the end. Haven’t looked for sure but think I’m still leading Subaru.

It’s been the theme in every race this series, the 1st race I do I always gain a ton of DR and the 2nd race I lose most of it again.

Just crossing my fingers for some road car races in Nations in the next 2 rounds. They are my only hope for big points. C’mon MR2

 

[ivann]

theres nothing to suddenly give the outside car the optimal line when the car alongside has sufficient overlap.

I will finish this discussion from my side and will not call names anymore.
You must take into consideration moments before and after the contact, not just freeze the time of contact.
Driver1 went wider at the turn in while battling with leader (driver2 is still behind), got the overall apex, went for the 2nd normal apex with fast exit.
Driver2 uses the situation, shortens the corner radius (goes slower) and eventhough he has no chance of overtaking driver1 in the corner and especially after the corner without making contact, he forces his car to be alongside on the 2nd apex thus causes the contact.
This is not dive-bombing. Its completely new term: dive-landmining, which I´m sure we were all victims of. I sure was.
Cheers.

 

[Hasnain282]

Only had time for one race last night so did the manufacturers
Qualifying was quite close with 4th-10th within the same tenth, I qualified 6th.

Really enjoyed the race with some fun battles in the first stint and in the end it was P3, I lost too much time in the first stint to challenge the front two but ah well. Still pleased with the podium, something I haven't had in a while in sport mode.

Here are my highlights:

 

[ivann]

With the cost of fielding a real world top shelf racing team and running a full season in todays economy and sponsorship dollars becoming harder and harder for the teams to secure it could well be that E-SPORTS will be the primary pro motorsports racing exposure of the future generations.

Nissan has the ability to gain months worth of very positive exposure to a very large audience of many 1000's of motorsports enthusiast from ages that are not yet old enough to drive to those that may be in the market to purchase a new vehicle tomorrow for a promotion that in its entirety will probably cost the company much less than what the cost of their sponsorship for 1 weekend is to a real world racing team.

Smart move for Nissan and yes I think you will see this type of involvement and participation by the auto manufacturers grow as E-MOTORSPORTS gains in both popularity and respect as a legitimate outlet as a sport or competition.





You made the statement yourself "two successive corners will line up"
That says two corners not one!

then "Attack them as a single corner"
Again attack THEM as a single corner not that they are or considered a single corner on the layout of the circuit.


Same characteristics of how best to determine a racing line does not change the fact they are two separate corners divided apart by a straight section of racetrack as shown in your illustration.

Maybe you should try again as this was a major fail trying to change two corners into one!

It is not my statement, it is written on the formentioned page.
You extract only the parts that suits you.
You missed these:
-Double apex corner, Sepang, turns 7 & 8 (not corners)
-Attack THEM (turns)
-These types of corners (as double apex corner in plural) have the same characteristics of the constant radius
corner (just a comparison)
"Same characteristics of how best to determine a racing line does not change the fact they are two separate corners divided apart by a straight section of racetrack as shown in your illustration"
Illustration is only example, in this case with longer straight.
DTG last corner obviously doesnt have straight section between two turns.

 

[Sean Renon]

Right but by that logic, if you enter the coner with a wide line (Like Zoky did, the line he took through the first 'turn' of the 'corner' was wide and not the optimal racing line) and a car gets sufficient overlap on the inside as a result of your wide line (as Matty did), theres nothing to suddenly give the outside car the optimal line when the car alongside has sufficient overlap. Especially when he never had the optimal line in the first place.

Giving space there on the inside in that situation is good racecraft and fair game.

This in-depth discussion proves how much this screams RACING INCIDENT and how silly it was to call Matty out publically.

Completely agree with this assessment, Zoky entered the corner on an outside line, and left the inside line open for 3rd place. Imo the penalty system got this right. A driver attempts an overtake that is never going to work, and as a result, 3rd place follows 1st on the optimal line and gains a position as 2nd took an un-optimal outside line. Matty had plenty of overlap entering the 2nd apex, and Zoky had plenty of space on the outside - if radar was on and Zoky was looking at it I'm sure they could've exited the corner 2 wide without contact.

I'm a huge fan of how this panned out, passing should be difficult, going for the outside line on that pass was a bad idea especially with how close 3rd was. Not a fan of how aggressive the penalties were given out, but definitely a racing incident.

It is not my statement, it is written on the formentioned page.
You extract only the parts that suits you.
You missed these:
-Double apex corner, Sepang, turns 7 & 8 (not corners)
-Attack THEM (turns)
-These types of corners (as double apex corner in plural) have the same characteristics of the constant radius
corner (just a comparison)
"Same characteristics of how best to determine a racing line does not change the fact they are two separate corners divided apart by a straight section of racetrack as shown in your illustration"
Illustration is only example, in this case with longer straight.
DTG last corner obviously doesnt have straight section between two turns.

Let's say this last corner was a curved corner like turn 1 - Zoky still would've been on the outside line, and Matty still would've gotten alongside him.
I think what should be noted was that Zoky was obviously not on the optimal driving line. Thus opening himself up to an inside line attack.

We saw plenty of passes like this at the F1 French GP last weekend in turn 8.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Driver1 went wider at the turn in while battling with leader (driver2 is still behind), got the overall apex, went for the 2nd normal apex with fast exit.
Driver2 uses the situation, shortens the corner radius

Driver 1 made the mental and competitive mistake of while engaging in battle with the leader of the race of failing to realize that driver 2 was actually in position to follow the leader through the turn 1 corner and occupy the inner line approaching turn 2.

Driver 1 should have taken the opportunity to realize his mistake as leaving the door open to another competitor as he was focusing on setting up what he wanted his preferred line through turn 2 to be.

At that point driver 1 should have maintained the outside line giving driver 2 the line that he rightfully possessed and driver 1 should have been able to maintain his second position exiting turn 2 due to carrying more momentum entering the following straight.

Driver 1 also should have been smarter than coming onto a forum after the race and calling out and blaming another racer for filling a position on the track that he had full rights to acquire due to the original mistake that driver 1 had made leaving the door open through one turn before reaching the
2nd turn he was so focused on.

I think this explanation used along with the illustration you posted earlier showing how 2 corners with their own separate and distinct apexes remains two corners and does not become one pretty well would be the correct explanation of the series of events that transpired.

A mistake in protecting the inner racing line through one corner does not give driver 1 the right to the preferred inner line to the second corner because it was his intention to use that as his racing line!

 

[sambygtr]

Hi!
both races were fun! 1 good 1 bad.
Insane lobby full of A+ top players plus i didnt practice in gardens so this happens, finished in 16th place.



different story in Monza, i did run a 1:48 in practice but my qualy wasnt good started 11th and finished in 6th
a lot of brazilians in the lobby

see Lap 2 , almost a full lap ghosted with AMSZennit so funny.

 

[ferrari312t]

What am I doing different?

 

[Suntek]

Wow, I CANNOT believe this happened in an all A/S lobby.

gif not working so here's the video

I'm guessing by now you figured that S isn't really that much better than E..
The only reason some people are still sr S is the penalties rewarding their sr at the end of the race.
I see by far dirtiest drivers in sr S, and my standards are low!
Someone gave a good breakdown of DR/SR combos and what to expect in some post here at gtp and it's 90% of the time correct. Sadly.

 

[mclarenLB]

What am I doing different?

Im still working on it, feeling another frustrating 4 tenths at least that I can hit

 

[ferrari312t]

Im still working on it, feeling another frustrating 4 tenths at least that I can hit

And I also have that problem. My optimal time is a 2:01,599 haha XD

 

[vvise]

I'm guessing by now you figured that S isn't really that much better than E..
The only reason some people are still sr S is the penalties rewarding their sr at the end of the race.
I see by far dirtiest drivers in sr S, and my standards are low!
Someone gave a good breakdown of DR/SR combos and what to expect in some post here at gtp and it's 90% of the time correct. Sadly.

Honestly I've never seen something this blatant from an A/S driver. Occasionally there's some mild blocking mid pack or frustrated drivers in the rear. The FIA just brings out the worst in people I guess.

 

[Timlour]

Well, I got disconnected in the middle of qualifying for the Dragon Trail manufacturers race in an all A+ lobby. Got the worst possible DR loss and couldn't run again. So... that's great.

I can't do the next day of races either since I'm going to Watkins Glen for the weekend. So... that's also great. At least I did the first 2 races so I shouldn't fall behind in the rankings too much.