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I know, I've been running laps today. 3 is my limit with the softs. I've had TC at 1 and BB all the way to the front, it's still an adventure.

Have you tried to soft stints yet? May also be viable depending on the pit loss.
 
Well, time to completely reverse my diff accel and brake bias settings...

I wish I knew how to use those settings better. Fuel is tight as well, a longer 5th gear to keep RPM’s down will help.
 
Anyone else think that this bizarre N800 race might include a new DLC car? :odd: It just seems so random in its nature... :boggled:

How many cars fit into N800 currently?

All just speculation on my part but the other races are GR or vehicle specific. It's at the month end, so the timing would fit to most of the previous updates too.

Obviously the Lamborghini VGT and Porsche VGT would be GR.X and not qualify. What about the Porsche Living Legend Concept?
 
I wish I knew how to use those settings better. Fuel is tight as well, a longer 5th gear to keep RPM’s down will help.
I just set all the diff values to their lowest settings to encourage the car to rotate, then increased them until the car stopped oversteering. For brake bias I just slammed it all the way to the rear. Now I guess I'm gonna have to slam it all the way to the front and decrease the diff decel (not accel - that was a typo) settings until the car starts to rotate when braking again...
 
Have you tried to soft stints yet? May also be viable depending on the pit loss.
To be honest I'm not good or consistent enough to measure that accurately in practice. Pit time for tyres is 10 seconds though, are the 3 laps of softs better than the 2 hard and 1 medium lap I'm missing out on? Probably.
 
To be honest I'm not good or consistent enough to measure that accurately in practice. Pit time for tyres is 10 seconds though, are the 3 laps of softs better than the 2 hard and 1 medium lap I'm missing out on? Probably.

With how long the laps are, and how much more speed car be carried around turns on softs, 2 soft stints may be workable, especially in the lower lobbies.
 
Having tc turned on helps save tires? Maybe I should have used tc during a couple of races. I always just adjust my BB sometimes it works, other times can't even tell.

It depends on the car, and it does slow you down. This car spins a lot at the top of gears and when changing gears, so in this case it may be slightly helpful to have it on TCS 1 for the race. Not a guarantee to help though. :)
 
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Having tc turned on helps save tires? Maybe I should have used tc during a couple of races. I always just adjust my BB sometimes it works, other times can't even tell.
Absolutely... I'd expect it will have 3 effects:

1) lowered transient tire temperatures... so the car balance will be impacted by the fact that the rear tire temperatures will run lower than when you are in TCS 0 mode... assuming you are allowing some tire slip with your human TCS system :)

and more importantly and more noticeably: 2) the rear tire wear will be reduced because of less slipping and possibly because of being run at lower temps (though this may or may not be realistically accurate... I suspect the simpler tire model in GTS behaves this way)

and 3) the dynamics of the car in acceleration under turns will behave differently. If the diff is set up to add some rotation, that effect will be limited (and therefore may feel like understeer compared to TCS 0)

All of this of course dependent on how much overlap your natural TCS habits are compared to the computer-controlled one. In other words, if you are able to get to the absolute limit and keep it close to that, regardless of TCS, the effects may not be as big, but if when you run TCS, you rely on the computer to limit you a lot, or when you don't run TCS, you don't approach those limits, it may be of greater consequence.
 
This is the tune he gave me, and the one he used in his guide. He’s not allowed to share the PX7 tune for whatever reason, they won’t let him. :guilty:

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Anyone know how I go about getting my measurements to change from mm to showing inches in the setup, seem most have these setting when looking for setup tips so best if I could change over, but love of me cannot find how to
 
Anyone know how I go about getting my measurements to change from mm to showing inches in the setup, seem most have these setting when looking for setup tips so best if I could change over, but love of me cannot find how to

Just use google to translate the measurements, that’s what I always do. 👍
 
Defending feels completely pointless when everyone can just mug you down the straight with superior power and slipstream while keeping up on the straights is completely out of the question for the Alfa, let alone overtaking. I'll take my chances with the Nurburgring roulette this weekend, but Manufacturer Gr.4 races are clearly a time and DR sink for me at this point.

bmw, nissan, mazda, mitsubishi are horrible, but that alfa.. i watched wi-fi password on my race replay.
it is something special. it could be even considered as group 5 car

Schedule tables for Stage 3 (any mistakes please say)

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how do you get time of day?
 
Have tried to model my potential complete 2020 season points expectations and targets, based on the good info shared here about both DR formulas and FIA points tables...

Having done most of the races so far, it's hard to move the needle without some really big improvements in the Stage 3 races, either in average finish or in DR.

In the process, checked to see what kind of 'luck' I've had with lobby assignments and door #'s during the FIA season. What do you know... I've averaged... wait for it: 10 (out of 20). 9 in the Manufacturers Series and 11 in the Nations Cup races! What do you know!? So fair play, PD... thank you! (gonna chart the correlation to Lobby Rank vs Finish to see how it looks, I wonder if there's a clear relationship, or whether the spread in lobbies is too small to result in that... suspect that's the case)

I have been able to increase my DR from around 20k at the start of the season to about 34k now. It's having an interesting impact on my scores. A 2nd place from Round 1 is now negated by a 12th place in Round 19! And if I continue on my current 'average' finish of 8th place, I will negate 6 or 7 more finishes if I run all 10 races in Stage 3! So the first half of the year was more or less pointless.

This assumes another key thing: that my average finishes remain the same, and that I increase my DR by the modeled amount each time I do that, which builds up the FIA points haul. But based on the models I've seen, an 8th place finish each week would results in an average DR bump of 400 per race. To be conservative, I only expected half that in my model, assuming I don't run them all, or it gets tougher to hold station as I slowly go up the DR ladder.

Throw in a win or two and it could get very interesting for me, in that regard. Would be cool to achieve an "S" rating in my first season and having only played the game for six months.

It's really interesting how this all plays out in the standings, though. Hard to predict what the rest of the field does (though I did make a table of the top 300 drivers to take a guess at it!), but this gives me an outside chance at "S" (top 140 in NA) in the Nations season... unless nearly everyone also improves their scores at the same rate (unlikely). There is currently about a 20-place window for me to get inside, where my top 8 races would yield a final standing in the Top 140 in NA.

It's also why I am parking this account except for FIA races, so that I can try to keep it on this path, and get all the FIA points that I can.

EDIT/UPDATED: There IS a pretty clear correlation to Door#/Ranking compared to my finishing results. Over the 20 places in the grid, there is a total variance of about 2 spots... in other words, I would expect to finish about 2 spots lower if door 20, than door 1, and relatively in between. It's similar in the Nations and Mfrs series both, so pretty interesting. Kind of 'feels' about right, given the usual spread of DR in an FIA lobby in NA.
 
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Absolutely... I'd expect it will have 3 effects:

1) lowered transient tire temperatures... so the car balance will be impacted by the fact that the rear tire temperatures will run lower than when you are in TCS 0 mode... assuming you are allowing some tire slip with your human TCS system :)

and more importantly and more noticeably: 2) the rear tire wear will be reduced because of less slipping and possibly because of being run at lower temps (though this may or may not be realistically accurate... I suspect the simpler tire model in GTS behaves this way)

and 3) the dynamics of the car in acceleration under turns will behave differently. If the diff is set up to add some rotation, that effect will be limited (and therefore may feel like understeer compared to TCS 0)

All of this of course dependent on how much overlap your natural TCS habits are compared to the computer-controlled one. In other words, if you are able to get to the absolute limit and keep it close to that, regardless of TCS, the effects may not be as big, but if when you run TCS, you rely on the computer to limit you a lot, or when you don't run TCS, you don't approach those limits, it may be of greater consequence.

Really thought out answer there buddy, lol. I don't know why, but I had always thought having TC turned on the car has to work harder which in return eats up some more tires. I've come to the conclusion though being on DS4 I'll never be able to win the tire wear battle, it's never ending. Any idea if sensitivity settings helps with tirewear? I'm at 7, but if I went down to let's say 0 would that help improve? I know you're on a wheel so probably doesn't matter.

Have tried to model my potential complete 2020 season points expectations and targets, based on the good info shared here about both DR formulas and FIA points tables...

Having done most of the races so far, it's hard to move the needle without some really big improvements in the Stage 3 races, either in average finish or in DR.

In the process, checked to see what kind of 'luck' I've had with lobby assignments and door #'s during the FIA season. What do you know... I've averaged... wait for it: 10 (out of 20). 9 in the Manufacturers Series and 11 in the Nations Cup races! What do you know!? So fair play, PD... thank you! (gonna chart the correlation to Lobby Rank vs Finish to see how it looks, I wonder if there's a clear relationship, or whether the spread in lobbies is too small to result in that... suspect that's the case)

I have been able to increase my DR from around 20k at the start of the season to about 34k now. It's having an interesting impact on my scores. A 2nd place from Round 1 is now negated by a 12th place in Round 19! And if I continue on my current 'average' finish of 8th place, I will negate 6 or 7 more finishes if I run all 10 races in Stage 3! So the first half of the year was more or less pointless.

This assumes another key thing: that my average finishes remain the same, and that I increase my DR by the modeled amount each time I do that, which builds up the FIA points haul. But based on the models I've seen, an 8th place finish each week would results in an average DR bump of 400 per race. To be conservative, I only expected half that in my model, assuming I don't run them all, or it gets tougher to hold station as I slowly go up the DR ladder.

Throw in a win or two and it could get very interesting for me, in that regard. Would be cool to achieve an "S" rating in my first season and having only played the game for six months.

It's really interesting how this all plays out in the standings, though. Hard to predict what the rest of the field does (though I did make a table of the top 300 drivers to take a guess at it!), but this gives me an outside chance at "S" (top 140 in NA) in the Nations season... unless nearly everyone also improves their scores at the same rate (unlikely). There is currently about a 20-place window for me to get inside, where my top 8 races would yield a final standing in the Top 140 in NA.

It's also why I am parking this account except for FIA races, so that I can try to keep it on this path, and get all the FIA points that I can.

EDIT/UPDATED: There IS a pretty clear correlation to Door#/Ranking compared to my finishing results. Over the 20 places in the grid, there is a total variance of about 2 spots... in other words, I would expect to finish about 2 spots lower if door 20, than door 1, and relatively in between. It's similar in the Nations and Mfrs series both, so pretty interesting. Kind of 'feels' about right, given the usual spread of DR in an FIA lobby in NA.


Definitely a good idea to park your account and save it for FIA. I've been enjoying the game much more since I've started doing that. My 2nd account is at 38k DR currently daily races only while my main sits at 42k DR.

I wish I knew back then what I know now... majority of my first stage races are irrelevant now even though I had a handful of wins. Boosting up your DR for FIA is tricky because there is a point where you just can't finish high enough yet little lower DR and you'll be up front all day!

I wish I would have competed in the Nations Series because I think obtaining "S" rank is much easier to do. I follow along closely in the Manufacturer Series though and I'm kind of able to judge where others may finish for the week judging by their DR. I'm able to achieve top 4 for Ford but sitting at 5 currently.

It helps to become friends with your manufacturer team drivers... that's what I did, we practice a lot and talk strategy and we're all very similarly skilled. Makes getting beat by 3 points out of "S" rank kind of fun knowing the people you're battling against.

I just wish I could figure out how to fuel save... any race I lose it's hardly ever because I got beat driver to driver it's always me losing a handful of positions sitting in pit lane. I just can't figure it out, achieving the same fast pace while saving. I'm either fast or I'm saving, I'll figure it out eventually though then folks will be in trouble :lol:

Pretty cool how we've both been at this last 6 months, lol come along way!
 
I just don’t see the point in holding back info from people, the Aliens are gonna win regardless of what info the rest of us have, so why not just share it?
If the tune is shared, opponents and can potentially will use it against them, especially for an important race like this T16 race. When the Fugu Z race was around the corner, sharing it wasn't a big deal because it wasn't a T16 race.


... I mean, people were using the tune I was using against me in that race, so... :lol:
 
If the tune is shared, opponents and can potentially will use it against them, especially for an important race like this T16 race. When the Fugu Z race was around the corner, sharing it wasn't a big deal because it wasn't a T16 race.


... I mean, people were using the tune I was using against me in that race, so... :lol:

I tried to get a tune that race from blackbird he was FAST. At least he's doing me a solid sitting out last few races so I can achieve "s" rank lmao... he'll jump me start of next stage with his 300 point races
 
If the tune is shared, opponents and can potentially will use it against them, especially for an important race like this T16 race. When the Fugu Z race was around the corner, sharing it wasn't a big deal because it wasn't a T16 race.


... I mean, people were using the tune I was using against me in that race, so... :lol:

Oh I fully understand, I just don’t get the mentality is all. I’d rather beat someone based on skill, with an equal car, than beat them because I know something they don’t. That’s just me though, and everyone’s different. All good man. :cheers:
 
I tried to get a tune that race from blackbird he was FAST. At least he's doing me a solid sitting out last few races so I can achieve "s" rank lmao... he'll jump me start of next stage with his 300 point races
I'm trying to get some 300s to hopefully sneak my way into a Top 16 race. Ugh, this race isn't going to be easy.

You sound like Snape when Harry tried to use his own curse against him :lol:




And yeah I did your tune against you haha (I recall you won that race). Thanks :cheers:

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Oh I fully understand, I just don’t get the mentality is all. I’d rather beat someone based on skill, with an equal car, than beat them because I know something they don’t. That’s just me though, and everyone’s different. All good man. :cheers:
I just hope tuning is a thing of the past for FIA races. With it on, it creates these kinds of situations. :(
 
I'm trying to get some 300s to hopefully sneak my way into a Top 16 race. Ugh, this race isn't going to be easy.

I just hope tuning is a thing of the past for FIA races. With it on, it creates these kinds of situations. :(

You don’t need to be a Top 16 driver to get in, just the Top 16 who signed up for that race. I got into one as #35 before for Nations, because no one else showed up. :)

Agreed on the tuning thing, I’d much rather spec racing. Unless PD make replays so that you can see people’s settings, then there’s no way to hide the tunes. 👍
 
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I'm trying to get some 300s to hopefully sneak my way into a Top 16 race. Ugh, this race isn't going to be easy.


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I just hope tuning is a thing of the past for FIA races. With it on, it creates these kinds of situations. :(

I don't know how y'all do it but I've been following closely! No doubts you'll end up with probably more than just one 300 pointer
 
Pretty abysmal 2nd stage for me. I don't think I'll be racing for Mazda again next season unless they do something to the gr4 car. I like to participate in all the races I can but after RBR yesterday I want nothing to do with that car. 4 to 20th, didn't even get to finish the race. Never had so many penalties before. Almost had my first rage quit. After only having 1 DNF on my record for 3 years, I now have 4 to my name just from stage 2. Can't wait for the next season. I'll only be doing gr3 races for manu in this last stage. Will try to prep better and put more effort into practice for this last stage.
 
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I may have been a little quick to judge the next stage, although it's a little boring it plays into my strengths I believe after doing a test run on all of the rounds and hopefully offset some of those FF cars in Gr4.

Looks like I only had to fuel save even with my bad habits on 4 out of 10 races. Although the downside is three of those fuel saving races were Gr3. I'm kinda enjoying the schedule now for Manufacturers!

I think my best two races may be Sardegna with the Gr4 cars and Tokyo Expressway with the Ford GT it's going to be fun!
 
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