FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Raptor013]

Pennnnnallllltieeeeess. Forgot all about that. How many orange arrows from all players during this one?

Yeah, this race is one I'm definitely going to skip. Had pretty much decided not to turn up to either this or the Group B race at Tsukuba when the schedule was announced.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Maybe PD just want to inject some fun for once. The track was a big hit in GT6.

Don't get me wrong, I like the variety - I'd just rather they do it in the daily races rather than bore us to death with another week of Fuji Group 2 and Nurburgring Group 3.

Whereas by putting it as a nine minute Nations race...you get a total of 45 minutes of something different.

On a side note, have Saudi players made a blood oath to only race on SSRX? Almost all the SSRX rooms are hosted by them.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Even though it was a weak, final slot top split...a win is a win and I’m proud of it.

Started P4 and gained one position at T1 right away, because Suzuka am I right? Then the 2 leaders were trying to trade positions without losing much time but it was still slowing us down so I made sure to keep applying pressure, but still had to lift a lot.

Later the leader went off at T1, then it was a fight for the lead. Pole-sitter pulled away a bit but I ended up catching up on the 2nd stint. For some reason he used too much fuel early on and had to save when I didn’t. I was using 6th gear a lot and avoiding 2nd when possible.

I eventually took the lead on lap 11 heading into T1 and proceeded to defend like crazy for 3 laps until the end where I barely held on for a P1 finish and 264 points. Highest ever Nations score, 2nd highest FIA score ever for me. Glad I stuck around for the final slot. Here’s the race from my view. Enjoy!

Nice win. Looks like maybe the guy you beat was protecting old H's after no-stopping? If so, looks like he made out better on the strategy, which makes me feel better in that it wasn't a terrible idea... but worse if he was able to make it work for 2nd place when I fell from 6th to 11th in my race when trying it!

 

[Ashthebash]

Done a lap and a half in the Huayra around Route X and I think that'll be it for testing. Will probably use it in the race - just because I like it!

Did slightly more testing for Manufacturers, going to be close between a one and two stop. I can run the softs quite long but again if you're not in clean air to maximise the stint, it'll be difficult to make up the time on the optional tyre

 

[GTWolverine]

Done a lap and a half in the Huayra around Route X and I think that'll be it for testing. Will probably use it in the race - just because I like it!

Did slightly more testing for Manufacturers, going to be close between a one and two stop. I can run the softs quite long but again if you're not in clean air to maximise the stint, it'll be difficult to make up the time on the optional tyre

I also plan to use the Huayra, just because I can get it in green! I think the 2-stop will be worth it in Manufacturers because in my testing the Softs are over 1s faster than the Mediums per lap. The performance difference there should be enough that even if you get held up in traffic, the worst that could possibly happen is that you break even with the 1-stoppers if there are any.

 

[sturk0167]

I also plan to use the Huayra, just because I can get it in green!

I think the 2-stop will be worth it because in my testing the Softs are over 1s faster than the Mediums per lap. The performance difference there should be enough that even if you get held up in traffic, the worst that could possibly happen is that you break even with the 1-stoppers if there are any.

I thought you were talking about the same race.
I'm gonna gamble, and go for a no-stopper at SSRX. 👍

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I'm gonna gamble, and go for a no-stopper at SSRX. 👍

Will the tyres be okay for the new chicane at the end?

 

[sturk0167]

Will the tyres be okay for the new chicane at the end?

Ha ha. It would also be nice if there was a big jump.

 

[jimihemmy]

I also noticed that not only are the cars customized beyond their power/weight, but the name of the custom transmission seems different, too. Or did the 458 always have that transmission for its custom option? And what’s the difference between it and a more typical sequential transmission, like the one that’s listed more often as the custom transmission type?

I also just learned - at least in the context of GT Sport - that the 458 and LaFerrari are automatics as stock. Is that really so in reality? And were those Michelin Pilot Sport tire stickers applicable to any car, including the road cars?

The transmission is adjusted also. It has a different top speed and final gear than the default transmission.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Ha ha. It would also be nice if there was a huge jump.

Remember the secret infield layout with the tubes? I'll have that one! https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gran...ver-the-castle.725281/page-156#post-137908960

 

[ShiftingGears]

Does anyone know the brake bias settings to use for SSRX?

 

[Jwptexas]

Does anyone know the brake bias settings to use for SSRX?

If you're using your brakes that race you ain't winning.

Anybody else having trouble making until the end this next Manufacturer race? I'm a couple of laps short even shortshifting for the entire race. Debating whether or not I just want to haul ass and dump some fuel in the car later in the race and not have to worry about losing so much time shortshifting the Ford GT.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Does anyone know the brake bias settings to use for SSRX?

I'd just use the ones on the right.

 

[Pigems]

Does anyone know the brake bias settings to use for SSRX?

+17 was working well for me in practice yesterday. 👍

 

[KosmoKazi]

I believe that in the old days (80's/90's) the IndyCar teams would take off the brake pads for qualifying runs on ovals, on the rear. And if that wasn't so, or if that was outlawed by regulations at some point, what I think they kept doing (maybe still do?) is push the pads back on the calipers completely, so that they are sure not to drag on the rotors at all!

So +17 sounds about right!

Does anyone know the brake bias settings to use for SSRX?

If you're using your brakes that race you ain't winning.

Anybody else having trouble making until the end this next Manufacturer race? I'm a couple of laps short even shortshifting for the entire race. Debating whether or not I just want to haul ass and dump some fuel in the car later in the race and not have to worry about losing so much time shortshifting the Ford GT.

+17 was working well for me in practice yesterday. 👍

 

[Ashthebash]

I also plan to use the Huayra, just because I can get it in green! I think the 2-stop will be worth it in Manufacturers because in my testing the Softs are over 1s faster than the Mediums per lap. The performance difference there should be enough that even if you get held up in traffic, the worst that could possibly happen is that you break even with the 1-stoppers if there are any.

While I don't have such a difference between my times on softs and mediums (about 0.8s), I think you're underestimating how badly traffic can and will affect your times. Clean air and I think a two stop (for me 6M/12S/1H) is quicker but not by much. Put those twelve laps in a bit of traffic - only need to be held up for three or four of those laps by people who are slightly slower, or running a different strategy - and it'll be way off gaining the time back. I'd definitely go for a two stop if I was at the very front or (more likely) at the very back. Midfield race though, a one stop will be surprisingly strong

*Unless you run out of fuel and have to do three or more laps on hards. Should be said I'm planning on doing 18 laps on mediums if I one stop

Anybody else having trouble making until the end this next Manufacturer race? I'm a couple of laps short even shortshifting for the entire race. Debating whether or not I just want to haul ass and dump some fuel in the car later in the race and not have to worry about losing so much time shortshifting the Ford GT.

I tried stretching the fuel out and it just seemed too slow. Luckily the Merc is good on fuel and I should only need a splash if I push. Just save what you can, anything that can make your pit stop shorter will help. Also, if you're planning on stopping the last lap for your mandatory lap on hards, worth remembering that if you're very tight on fuel (less than a lap remaining) it might not give you the option not to refuel

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Ran a couple (10 ~) races on SSRX in a few different lobbies - yep staying away from this race completely. I predict massive SR down arrows during the races. I experienced people not understanding slipstream (within the current penalty system's guidelines) and nearly half the field's race was over once we hit the high banks (can you say wreckfest). If you are brave enough - good luck.

 

[MIE1992]

I’m still curious about what cars can have those Michelin Pilot Sport tire stickers applied, (e.g. can it be applied to all cars, or just some cars?) as well as that custom transmission that the 458 has. I remember it including the word “seamless” in its name, and didn’t seem like the usual sequential that I’ve seen when you pick a custom transmission for a road car. What was the difference between the sequentials and this custom “seamless” transmission the 458 has?

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I’m still curious about what cars can have those Michelin Pilot Sport tire stickers applied

I think every car below gr3 will have it in a FIA race. Nowhere else

 

[GTWolverine]

I think every car below gr3 will have it in a FIA race. Nowhere else

I've had them on my Gr. 3 cars as well, even when I explicitly picked Goodyear branding when making my liveries.

I believe that in the old days (80's/90's) the IndyCar teams would take off the brake pads for qualifying runs on ovals, on the rear. And if that wasn't so, or if that was outlawed by regulations at some point, what I think they kept doing (maybe still do?) is push the pads back on the calipers completely, so that they are sure not to drag on the rotors at all!

So +17 sounds about right!

NASCAR still pushes back their calipers during qualifying on restrictor plate tracks (well, they did back when they still did single-car qualifying).

 

[Moon_k]

Finally, I got the time to edit and upload my Manufacturer race. In a nutshell this car in the rain had a mind of its own because of the turbo kicking hard into the corner at different moments. So every time I had to press the gas, I had to counter the huge kick of the WRX turbo. It's exciting to look at it going wild into the corners, but in my perspective. It was spooky.
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[KosmoKazi]

I’m still curious about what cars can have those Michelin Pilot Sport tire stickers applied, (e.g. can it be applied to all cars, or just some cars?) as well as that custom transmission that the 458 has. I remember it including the word “seamless” in its name, and didn’t seem like the usual sequential that I’ve seen when you pick a custom transmission for a road car. What was the difference between the sequentials and this custom “seamless” transmission the 458 has?

The Ferrari, IRL, has a dual-clutch transmission. The 'seamless' is used to describe it because instead of an instantaneous de-coupling of the transmission to the engine with a traditional manual clutch shift, or an automated clutch, the power is maintained without interruption, with the gearshifts overlapping while one clutch is released and the other is engaged.

There are a large number of cars with such transmissions now: TT's and most performance VW, Porsche 911's, BMW's, nearly all Ferraris, even the new Ford GT500 Mustang and Corvette have DCT transmissions, all of relatively similar functional design.

I don't know how the game accounts for this, to be honest... requiring "Manual Transmission" shifts is a separate technical detail... deciding 'when' to make the shifts, versus whether the game is actually simulating MT types or actually just controlling the timing of the DCT or whatever the actual type of transmission each model has.

 

[MIE1992]

The Ferrari, IRL, has a dual-clutch transmission. The 'seamless' is used to describe it because instead of an instantaneous de-coupling of the transmission to the engine with a traditional manual clutch shift, or an automated clutch, the power is maintained without interruption, with the gearshifts overlapping while one clutch is released and the other is engaged.

There are a large number of cars with such transmissions now: TT's and most performance VW, Porsche 911's, BMW's, nearly all Ferraris, even the new Ford GT500 Mustang and Corvette have DCT transmissions, all of relatively similar functional design.

I don't know how the game accounts for this, to be honest... requiring "Manual Transmission" shifts is a separate technical detail... deciding 'when' to make the shifts, versus whether the game is actually simulating MT types or actually just controlling the timing of the DCT or whatever the actual type of transmission each model has.

I see. So this “seamless” label is reserved for cars with a dual-clutch transmission, right?

And in the livery editor, what cars can have that Michelin Pilot Sport tire sticker? Or was it only applied in FIA races? (Not unlike the special number stickers seen in the FIAGTCs.)

 

[GTWolverine]

While I don't have such a difference between my times on softs and mediums (about 0.8s), I think you're underestimating how badly traffic can and will affect your times. Clean air and I think a two stop (for me 6M/12S/1H) is quicker but not by much. Put those twelve laps in a bit of traffic - only need to be held up for three or four of those laps by people who are slightly slower, or running a different strategy - and it'll be way off gaining the time back. I'd definitely go for a two stop if I was at the very front or (more likely) at the very back. Midfield race though, a one stop will be surprisingly strong

*Unless you run out of fuel and have to do three or more laps on hards. Should be said I'm planning on doing 18 laps on mediums if I one stop


I tried stretching the fuel out and it just seemed too slow. Luckily the Merc is good on fuel and I should only need a splash if I push. Just save what you can, anything that can make your pit stop shorter will help. Also, if you're planning on stopping the last lap for your mandatory lap on hards, worth remembering that if you're very tight on fuel (less than a lap remaining) it might not give you the option not to refuel

I totally forgot about how fuel would play into the strategy. I don't think I could get 18 laps out of a tank of fuel anyway, so I'm 2-stopping regardless.

 

[sturk0167]

Ran a couple (10 ~) races on SSRX in a few different lobbies - yep staying away from this race completely. I predict massive SR down arrows during the races. I experienced people not understanding slipstream (within the current penalty system's guidelines) and nearly half the field's race was over once we hit the high banks (can you say wreckfest). If you are brave enough - good luck.

I have 2 strategies in mind, that may help minimize those problems. I plan to stay at, or near the back of the pack until approaching the end of the last straightaway. Also stay near the inside of the turns. Cars losing control will tend to crash into the outside of the turns.
I hope it works. Can't think of any other strategies for that race.

 

[GTWolverine]

I have 2 strategies in mind, that may help minimize those problems. I plan to stay at, or near the back of the pack until approaching the end of the last straightaway. Also stay near the inside of the turns. Cars losing control will tend to crash into the outside of the turns.
I hope it works. Can't think of any other strategies for that race.

Only problem is that hanging at the back of the pack means that even if you manage to avoid carnage in front of you, with the reduced slipstream range, if the middle of the pack gets wiped out, you're now separated from the leaders with no way to catch back up.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Who here among ye are the brave, honorable souls that will be using their main account for Tuesday's race?
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[GTWolverine]

Who here among ye are the brave, honorable souls that will be using their main account for Tuesday's race?
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I volunteer as tribute! (Also, I'm too lazy to bother making an alt, plus it being an FIA race defeats the purpose of making an alt in the first place)

 

[jimihemmy]

I see. So this “seamless” label is reserved for cars with a dual-clutch transmission, right?

And in the livery editor, what cars can have that Michelin Pilot Sport tire sticker? Or was it only applied in FIA races? (Not unlike the special number stickers seen in the FIAGTCs.)

any car than can have tire stickers can have that new Michelin sticker. There are now 3 Michelin sticker options.

I think the game sticks them on all cars during FIA races regardless of the one picked for the livery.

I think I noticed it in the Brands Hatch race. A car had a continental decal across the side of his car but had the new Michelin sticker on the tires.

 

[sturk0167]

Only problem is that hanging at the back of the pack means that even if you manage to avoid carnage in front of you, with the reduced slipstream range, if the middle of the pack gets wiped out, you're now separated from the leaders with no way to catch back up.

The slipstream is set to weak, so it should be about the usual 1.5 seconds.

Now, I'm gonna try to get nerdy. I think I did this right :
At 255 mph/410 kph, 1.5 seconds is equal to 561 feet (0.10625 miles)/171 meters (0.1709928 kilometers).
It shouldn't be too tough to stay within that range. Maybe I should look for a practice race in the lobby.