FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[bloodyboyblue]

I have also noticed this. Despite my torrid performance for Subaru in the Americas, driving well below my "normal" level, I was still 17th for the marque and only a few hundred points from top 10, and hence, the S. I am also #1 in my state (Nevada), but apparently the only one? I find it hard to believe I am the only person with Nevada residence competing in this...

I am not in disagreement with the way it's set up, but it probably would have been better and less confusing to have a badge along with your normal DR. Like a blue wreath around the letter for a Nations star and a red wreath around the letter for a Manufacturer star, and maybe a gold wreath for those who are stars in both. That way we could more easily identify who is a star because they are genuinely fast and others who are stars because they best represent their brand, however easy that might be due to low player count.

In Manufacturers it only ranks you among people in your area using the same brand as you, so you’re the only Nevadan using Subaru, I think there’s 8 in Ontario.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

If you say so... You've obviously not read any of my posts or literally most things I (or others) have said... I have no problem with anyone who claims it that has met the prerequisites as that's the rules as I've said prior... I have a problem with it's meaning and as I said in my post.... if I wasn't playing or if I was ranked DR Z or whatever I don't see how it's even reasonable to give that person S compared to others, literally gave examples of other games that I don't play but watch and it's the same principle. If you feel that's some kind of attack maybe rethink how you read things because I'm not attacking anyone... What I'm actually saying is I disagree with the prerequisites and the actual meaning of S...

Actually I have read your post, what you have said and its meaning.

You do not agree or like the criteria that PD set for as being a qualifier to receive an S reward.

But lets define what message you actually put forth, that you had a problem that a very low ranked player was able to obtain an "S" rating while many faster racers did not meet the criteria to qualify.

If that is not plain then I do not know what is, if the guy had of been a DR A level racer even though his ranking points may still be much lower than many other racers from other regions or countries that failed to qualify it would have been fine and not a word would have been said.

I am sure there are plenty of racers that received an S but have that precious "A" ranking that you apparently feel is an additional requirement that have fewer points that many racers that are from other regions that failed to qualify.

Never heard any complaints about those fastest racers from their country or region that were actually slower than other that failed to qualify.

But because this guy was a low ranked racer that still met the criteria since he was "not one of the quick ones" you belittled his accomplishment of receiving the reward and said there were 1000's of other racers that were more deserving.

So anyone that received an S rating that had a DR ranking that was lower than a racer that did not receive the coveted S ranking are not worthy of their reward either regardless of what country or region they may be from.

If the S should dictate that such racer displaying the badge is one of the top racers of that franchise in the world then we need to only give it to the top racers regardless of country or region and only the top ranked fastest guys of the franchise should be recognized with no exceptions. .

It makes no difference if a higher ranked player did not receive a reward and a lower ranked player did then your argument has some basis.

Otherwise it is just saying that this guy did not deserve the reward even though he met the criteria to do so.

So which is it, do we have many racers that due to region and country difference that do not deserve their rewards or just this one low ranked guy?

I think the biggest problem though actually is the current meaning of what the S stands for is being confused. I think at the present it just means that the driver has met the FIA Championship criteria to possibly be a racer in the upcoming star 24 race, no more or no less.

Perhaps the designation for the finals will be different but if you still have country and region difference that dictate eligibility then you will still have faster guys sitting at home that failed to qualify while slower racers will be at the finals competing.

So really how is that any different, only the very fastest guys are not going to be the ones proudly displaying the S ranking which depicts them as such according to your definition?

 

[Tidgney]

Actually I have read your post, what you have said and its meaning.

You do not agree or like the criteria that PD set for as being a qualifier to receive an S reward.

But lets define what message you actually put forth, that you had a problem that a very low ranked player was able to obtain an "S" rating while many faster racers did not meet the criteria to qualify.

If that is not plain then I do not know what is, if the guy had of been a DR A level racer even though his ranking points may still be much lower than many other racers from other regions or countries that failed to qualify it would have been fine and not a word would have been said.

I am sure there are plenty of racers that received an S but have that precious "A" ranking that you apparently feel is an additional requirement that have fewer points that many racers that are from other regions that failed to qualify.

Never heard any complaints about those fastest racers from their country or region that were actually slower than other that failed to qualify.

But because this guy was a low ranked racer that still met the criteria since he was "not one of the quick ones" you belittled his accomplishment of receiving the reward and said there were 1000's of other racers that were more deserving.

So anyone that received an S rating that had a DR ranking that was lower than a racer that did not receive the coveted S ranking are not worthy of their reward either regardless of what country or region they may be from.

If the S should dictate that such racer displaying the badge is one of the top racers of that franchise in the world then we need to only give it to the top racers regardless of country or region and only the top ranked fastest guys of the franchise should be recognized with no exceptions. .

It makes no difference if a higher ranked player did not receive a reward and a lower ranked player did then your argument has some basis.

Otherwise it is just saying that this guy did not deserve the reward even though he met the criteria to do so.

So which is it, do we have many racers that due to region and country difference that do not deserve their rewards or just this one low ranked guy?

I think the biggest problem though actually is the current meaning of what the S stands for is being confused. I think at the present it just means that the driver has met the FIA Championship criteria to possibly be a racer in the upcoming star 24 race, no more or no less.

Perhaps the designation for the finals will be different but if you still have country and region difference that dictate eligibility then you will still have faster guys sitting at home that failed to qualify while slower racers will be at the finals competing.

So really how is that any different, only the very fastest guys are not going to be the ones proudly displaying the S ranking which depicts them as such according to your definition?

You're arguing with yourself , I've put the bits on bold which I've actually said and you've wanted to re-post. I'm not arguing with you as you've literally pointed out what I, and others disagree with which I've actually already said. I have a problem with it's meaning as I've already stated I'm using the DR 3,000 and SR 1 account as an example because it's the most extreme and obvious example (I figured most people would've figured that out? ). Anyway you keep arguing away you certainly won't change my opinion that it's either got the wrong meaning or the prerequisites are completely wrong for it's meaning. I do really like the wreath idea from @Pfei though I think that's a brilliant idea, solves the problem straight away (Or the star one from Matty but I like the wreath thing better, sorry Matty )


Just in addition, those that know me know I don't give a hoot what is above my name as I'm just after clean and fun racing (Again I've tried to explain that but you seem to ignore all this to try create this random argument ), but I do care more about a game series I've played for 20 years which is why I liked the discussion, and why I believe the current meaning and/or prerequisite is wrong.. as I say that was before the random post where you think I'm attacking someone but hey-ho what can you do.

 

[DriftMethod]

💡 Maybe they should just create a huge tournament, so that we know who the best drivers are. Then, we can all agree that the SR/DR/Star systems are useful for specific purposes, but also flawed in some respects. Oh wait, they did do that? Why are we arguing?

 

[VFOURMAX1]

You're arguing with yourself

I am not arguing with anyone and I will not change your mind and you sure will not change mine on this subject.

You were the one that started calling out lower level drivers as not worthy but on the other side I am sure there are drivers with rankings high enough that will allow you to deem them worthy while still higher ranked drivers from competing regions fail to qualify.

You may claim to not be acting as an elitist but you are as the drivers ranking is what you use to disqualify his eligibility although he has apparently met the criteria of being one top fastest racers from his country so far by the rules that does qualify him.

You entered a Championship agreeing to the rules that dictate how the competitors are qualified and rather than diss a fellow racer that qualified you should have offered congratulations across the board.

Whether you like the rules or not you should not on a public forum actually say that that competitor that qualified with a DR of 3000 points makes a mockery of the the accomplishment of receiving his S rating for meeting the required criteria.

He competed using the exact same rules that every other racer played by that entered the championship.

I know nothing about this player but he may have only been playing a gt game for a short time and is proud of what he accomplished..

Actually as with you being a 20 year player of the game series and one of its top competitors to boot then you would be better served for the game, the players and your followers to be an ambassador for the series and to offer encouragement to the newer and lower level players that although may not be at the upper ranks is still competing and doing their best.

Regardless of your opinion HE bought his game, he followed the rules and by the rules qualified for the award and I commend him for his accomplishment regardless of his dr ranking.

I hope he makes the finals for his country!

We will just not agree here.

It is not always about who is best sometimes it also includes the people that just play the game because they like it!

 

[Tidgney]

I am not arguing with anyone and I will not change your mind and you sure will not change mine on this subject.

You were the one that started calling out lower level drivers as not worthy but on the other side I am sure there are drivers with rankings high enough that will allow you to deem them worthy while still higher ranked drivers from competing regions fail to qualify.

You may claim to not be acting as an elitist but you are as the drivers ranking is what you use to disqualify his eligibility although he has apparently met the criteria of being in one top fastest from his country so far by the rules that does qualify him.

You entered a Championship agreeing to the rules that dictate how the competitors are qualified and rather than diss a fellow racer that qualified you should have offered congratulations across the board.

Whether you like the rules or not you should not on a public forum actually say that that competitor that qualified with a DR of 3000 points makes a mockery of the the accomplishment of receiving his S rating for meeting the required criteria.

He competed using the exact same rules that every other racer played by that entered the championship.

I know nothing about this player but he may have only been playing a gt game for a short time and is proud of what he accomplished..

Actually as with you being a 20 year player of the game series and one of its top competitors to boot then you would be better served for the game, the players and your followers to be an ambassador for the series and to offer encouragement to the newer and lower level players that although may not be at the upper ranks is still competing and doing their best.

Regardless of your opinion HE bought his game, he followed the rules and by the rules qualified for the award and I commend him for his accomplishment regardless of his dr ranking.

I hope he makes the finals for his country!

We will just not agree here.

It is not always about who is best sometimes it also includes the people that just play the game because they like it!

I seriously wasn't posting again, but to say I've called somebody out is damn disrespectful.. I haven't called out anybody, I've not named or shamed anyone as per the forum rules (You literally said you've no idea who they are so how have I called them out?)... so please just move on with your life and stop posting random stuff that you think I'm implying (that I'm not which is obvious) you clearly don't understand what most people are saying or discussing...

Just one more time I've not said he shouldn't be S, as I said in 5 billion other posts he meets the prerequisites, what I'm saying is I disagree with the Prerequisites and/or however you want to include this the meaning of S, and the superstar meaning..

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I seriously wasn't posting again, but to say I've called somebody out is damn disrespectful.

Just one more time I've not said he shouldn't be S,

Well we are now even as I as personally below a DR A level find that someone displaying such an elitist attitude that is saying just because a racer is not a DR A is not deserving of his earned by the rules achievement reward is damn disrespectful as well.

 

[Tidgney]

Well we are now even as I as personally below a DR A level find that someone displaying such an elitist attitude that is saying just because a racer is not a DR A is not deserving of his earned by the rules achievement reward is damn disrespectful as well.

There's also an A+ rank as well as A not sure whether you're aware of that. But ye sure thing, because I've said that haven't I.

I disagree with the Prerequisites and/or however you want to include this the meaning of S, and the superstar meaning..

Anyway you're now on the ignore list, please enjoy your stay .

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Anyway you're now on the ignore list, please enjoy your stay .

I do fully plan on it, thank you, oh elite one!

I do not see my self losing very much sleep for making your ignore list!

 

[Matty28]

I do really like the wreath idea from @Pfei though I think that's a brilliant idea, solves the problem straight away (Or the star one from Matty but I like the wreath thing better, sorry Matty )/

Nah his idea is the best 👍

 

[Tidgney]

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Nah his idea is the best 👍

Hello darkness my old friend...

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Something like this. Found quickly on Internet.

 

[garix]

Just my 2c I already posted similar in the other S/S thread:
I am about DR 55K and matched all ranking criteria for the Starplayer nomination, but I do not think I performed extraordinary well during Season 1 to call myself a Starplayer.
Also I do not have the speed of DR 70K+ aliens, who really deserves the be called "Starplayer", if they additional show their good sportsmanship!
I think the Top 50 of any regional ranking (Europe, Asia, Americas) also deserves it.
I guess PD will check now and narrow it for the future to make it more special or just changes appearance, for example like @Pfei suggested.

Anyway, I did register through the webpage, but never received an confirmation email (not even in the junk folder ). So I will continue with A+ (as long I can hold it ). Top 24 or any finals are too far away, so no really impact for me .

 

[Venster]

Not sure I’d call @Tidgney elitelist! He would happily help anyone out with there driving if they have questions, his commitment to do the BOP tests for us all shows that!

 

[mclarenLB]

Been away for a bit, but I'll just drop this here randomly and out of context as this is basically my feeling right now.

If everyone is a Star Player, no-one is a Star Player.

 

[Pfei]

Something like this. Found quickly on Internet.

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Despite being found quickly on the internet you nailed the colors.

 

[DriftMethod]

Been away for a bit, but I'll just drop this here randomly and out of context as this is basically my feeling right now.

If everyone is a Star Player, no-one is a Star Player.

Understand your point, but that is a total over-exaggeration of the debate.


edit: For context, Asia and Americas each have over 3,000 people with greater than 0 points for season 1 manufacturers. Europe has over 12,000. I'm not sure how many star players for manufacturer, but at least 200 plus the extras for strategic manufacturer choice, so maybe around 250?

 

[mclarenLB]

Understand your point, but that is a total over-exaggeration of the debate.


edit: For context, Asia and Americas each have over 3,000 people with greater than 0 points for season 1 manufacturers. Europe has over 12,000. I'm not sure how many star players for manufacturer, but at least 200 plus the extras for strategic manufacturer choice, so maybe around 250?

It wasn't part of the debate, as mentioned, my last post is literally a direct out of context sentence that sums up how I feel right now.

Star Player, in its current state, is stupid. Its stupid because it serves absolutely no purpose. It has quite literally done, and changed, nothing.

In fact the only thing its done has broken the readability and coherence of the ranking and matchmaking system of the game, as well as completely alienate under 18s and people from ineligible countries. All for... nothing.

At least if Star Player was even somewhat rare and exclusive it'd at least mean something cosmetically, but right now the system is a huge slap in the face for anyone who cares about the competitive element of GT Sport.

There ya go, I wasn't gonna post it, but you now have my full take.

 

[ivann]

If everyone is a Star Player, no-one is a Star Player.

edited for better context; You are special, just like everyone else.
Definition of paradox.

 

[DriftMethod]

It wasn't part of the debate, as mentioned, my last post is literally a direct out of context sentence that sums up how I feel right now.

Star Player, in its current state, is stupid. Its stupid because it serves absolutely no purpose. It has quite literally done, and changed, nothing.

In fact the only thing its done has broken the readability and coherence of the ranking and matchmaking system of the game, as well as completely alienate under 18s and people from ineligible countries. All for... nothing.

At least if Star Player was even somewhat rare and exclusive it'd at least mean something cosmetically, but right now the system is a huge slap in the face for anyone who cares about the competitive element of GT Sport.

There ya go, I wasn't gonna post it, but you now have my full take.

It's not for nothing. A large part of the purpose is to be transparent about who is eligible for the top 24 races and the live events.

Everyone would hate it (and rightfully so) if the whole process was a mystery and only revealed who is eligible after the end of season 3. By my estimates, about 750 players out of 18,000+ that have competed in the manufacturers races have achieved the Star Player rating. So less than 5%, not extremely exclusive, but the success of the Gran Tursimo franchise depends on the masses. I'm guessing PD wants to make these types of achievements a goal that people can work towards in an effort to encourage participation.

Another thing to consider is by making the Star Player easy to achieve it allows people to not be eliminated by 1 bad race in Season 1 or 2. How would you feel if you got eliminated from top 24 races for season 3 because you got disconnected once, or had a power outage, or for some other unforeseen problem out of your control?

This is racing! Nobody carries their ratings from season to season! Just because someone hasn't played a lot online and isn't one of the highest rated DR players currently, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to compete.

Honestly, I understand what people are saying, but the Star Player rating isn't the prize. Maybe PD overhyped it, but the prizes don't start until after the final season.

 

[mclarenLB]

It's not for nothing. A large part of the purpose is to be transparent about who is eligible for the top 24 races and the live events.

Everyone would hate it (and rightfully so) if the whole process was a mystery and only revealed who is eligible after the end of season 3. By my estimates, about 750 players out of 18,000+ that have competed in the manufacturers races have achieved the Star Player rating. So less than 5%, not extremely exclusive, but the success of the Gran Tursimo franchise depends on the masses. I'm guessing PD wants to make these types of achievements a goal that people can work towards in an effort to encourage participation.

Another thing to consider is by making the Star Player easy to achieve it allows people to not be eliminated by 1 bad race in Season 1 or 2. How would you feel if you got eliminated from top 24 races for season 3 because you got disconnected once, or had a power outage, or for some other unforeseen problem out of your control?

This is racing! Nobody carries their ratings from season to season! Just because someone hasn't played a lot online and isn't one of the highest rated DR players currently, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to compete.

Honestly, I understand what people are saying, but the Star Player rating isn't the prize. Maybe PD overhyped it, but the prizes don't start until after the final season.

It changes nothing, people who would get invited to a live event would get private email correspondence, Star Player hasn't bypassed that, and frankly, theres absolutely 0 reason to limit Top 24 races to Star Players anyway, they're just FIA races worth extra points.

All it has done has alienated certain players... thats it. My point is Star Player shouldn't exist. Its flawed at its very foundation. All of these points you made about Star Players advantages would still work out perfectly had the system never existed in the first place. Players in ineligible situations feel even worse that its been 'clarified' this aggressively ingame that they can't compete, not better!

There are wayyyyy better ingame rewards you could add for finishing Top 5% in FIA than this garbage.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Understand your point, but that is a total over-exaggeration of the debate.


edit: For context, Asia and Americas each have over 3,000 people with greater than 0 points for season 1 manufacturers. Europe has over 12,000. I'm not sure how many star players for manufacturer, but at least 200 plus the extras for strategic manufacturer choice, so maybe around 250?

The real problem here is 18,000 people out of 3 million (?) are participating in the game’s flagship feature, what all the gameplay is trying to filter everyone towards. Is that successful or meaningful? Did the experiment work?

 

[mclarenLB]

The real problem here is 18,000 people out of 3 million (?) are participating in the game’s flagship feature, what all the gameplay is trying to filter everyone towards. Is that successful or meaningful? Did the experiment work?

Once again, the simple answer is something for everyone is something for no-one

Competitive online racing isn't some peoples thing, no matter how hard PD tries to force it, so lets stop catering to 'everyone' and focus on making this competitive championship... competitive... is what I say!

 

[HellzFire]

So, S SR is just needed for the 24SS races. The matchmaking will still be filtered by your DR points.

Almost pointless to me.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Regardless of the why if the player received the award the he met the criteria of the contest which was in place prior to the events start he deserves the recognition that comes with meeting such criteria and as a player or a person does not deserve to have his accomplishment brought down or questioned by an elitist that thinks another elitist deserved the spot instead.

I have little to no tolerance for anyone that acts as an elitist, thinks they are better than someone else or that belittles or acts condescending towards others because they think others are below them.

Fair points

It shouldn't really bother any top driver knowing small fry will never get in the big boy races. Unless they don't like sharing the same badge as the small fry.

I dunno, could make some interesting underdog battles

 

[DriftMethod]

@mclarenLB Are you really saying PD shouldn't tell people that they're not eligible? Suppose the season 3 winner, or others that could reasonably expect to be included in live events, are underage or from an area that can't compete. That's a preferable alternative and they would feel better after months of competition and practice before finding out they are ineligible?

Maybe we disagree, but I do think top 24 races should be for eligible competitors, since those points are very important for final ratings and ultimately for those invited to live events.

@hellZfirE Star Player system makes players eligible for top 24 races, not SR. Matchmaking for top 24 races will be based on the current championship points, not DR.

 

[Tou2istTrophy]

Who said that Star players would have their real name displayed in GT Sport?

Is there anything about this? Do real names display in the top 24 superstars?

 

[QTheRacer_31]

I'm wondering why PD always breaks things before fixing them. I'm from an area excluded from the championship so I can't get DR S and I don't care so much about it. I don't get why they included so many players with a 0.00001% chance to get in a Top 24 race (I've done 3-4 of them so I know how though it is to get in and be competitive). There was a time when DR S meant something. Now, it's just making a mess of the rankings as you have no idea what DR level is behind DR S. (Unless you spend your life stalking profiles on Kudos Prime).

Not so sure I like the fact that Top 24 entries will be based on points as it risks excluding a great driver having a series of incidents in the races he/she enters. Even worse: Disconnects giving them 0 points. Top 24 races should be at the end of a season after all rounds are done and the best results are retained.

 

[Tou2istTrophy]

If you compete with a DR S driver, who has a low underlying DR value, are the DR points +/- calculated against their underlying value still?

Will a low DR driver who has now DR S be automatically placed in the top daily race/non T24S FIA race splits?

 

[QTheRacer_31]

It has to be the case otherwise the game is going to be a hot mess. Once someone loses their DR S, they revert back to their true DR anyway.