FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Zorz]

...am I wrong or stupid for being excited to run Seaside with the RBJr cars?! ...and the Group C cars at LeMans?! Because I am!

They sound like good combos to me. If you're wrong and/or stupid, then I guess you're not alone.

 

[Granadier]

I quit.

Monza is just a horrible track.

 

[Winnie847]

Did NA Slot 1 with the Bugatti, 213-point lobby together with @Winnie847. Congrats to @Winnie847 for podium!

thanks man! nice seeing you out there again. It's unfortunate that we all have to deal with that guy. I saw what he did in the replay...his usual careless antics. I actually ran the race again in a later slot on my main account for fun, top split this time, and he ended up getting a slipstream from me the entire lap. I flashed him a couple times hoping he'd give me a tow the next time around but he didn't....he went on to get P2 or P3 in that race. I started P7 since I never got a draft, got punted at T1 to last place then somehow made my way back up to finish P7 amidst the carnage, but points were crap. We like to call this SR "S" here in the NA region.....lmao.

 

[Geauxgreddy]

After a night of sleep, a cup of coffee, and a McDonalds sausage egg and cheese biscuit, I mustered up enough strength to recap my night of mayhem. Not many of our fellow GT Planet Aliens in the lobby except for @kevinddr (aka Netflix Password), who made a notorious appearance in Race 2. No worries though, kevinddr is a true gentleman racer, we just had an accident. Only the 2nd time in 3 years of racing I received a PM to apologize. Thank you sir. Overall, it was a night of lost DR and SR and even in a win in race 3, I lost. So, on to SR repair tonight. Wish me luck.

 

[kungtotte_]

Tokyo will be brutal on Wednesday. A tiny mistake is 0.5-1.0s off your laptime, easily. And running even slightly off the optimal line is also 0.5-1.0s off, so it'll be hard going trying to pass people and trying to survive others trying to pass you.

 

[HaydenFan69]

It’ll be all about the exit out of the final corner. Can you stay right on the bumper of the guy in front to hopefully make a move into T1.

 

[SlowDriver87]

I’m looking forward to Tokyo, probably naively. The McLaren seems decent round there and my best time in free practice was a 2:08.8. I did a lobby race and it was going okay but as soon as you drop out of the slip stream range it’s race over effectively. It’s going to require ultimate concentration to not hit the wall.

 

[Zorz]

I’m looking forward to Tokyo, probably naively. The McLaren seems decent round there and my best time in free practice was a 2:08.8. I did a lobby race and it was going okay but as soon as you drop out of the slip stream range it’s race over effectively. It’s going to require ultimate concentration to not hit the wall.

I thought I recognised your PSN name from somewhere! I was in that lobby too and started behind you.

The McLaren is fast, but beware people like me who are intending to no-stop because our cars are fuel-efficient enough to make fuel saving to skip the pit stop a viable strategy. There's little point in trying to pass someone down the main straight in something like a Mitsubishi because the top-end just isn't there, but that doesn't mean we can't do damage in other ways.

You might have someone like me turning their engine down to leech time from your slipstream by heavily fuel saving. I doubt the McLaren can viably fuel save enough for a no-stop, but it's still possibly something you could take advantage of rather than fighting, especially if the slipstream to the car/group in front of your target has gone. Shortening your pit stop could help you jump the person you're behind and maybe even get back up to a group that you've fallen away from. I messed up early on and fell out of the slipstream train on lap 1 so my strategy didn't work as well as it could have (turning the engine down with no slipstream = ), but I was still only 7s behind you before the Citroen forced you into the pit entry wall as you went to pit at the end of lap 6.

Taking off the ~8 seconds you lost trying to get into the pits from the incident, you would have been around 13 seconds behind me as you came around the hairpin after your pit stop with only 3 laps to go.

 

[MCL1974]

It’ll be all about the exit out of the final corner. Can you stay right on the bumper of the guy in front to hopefully make a move into T1.

not sure yet if i will have a go at Tokyo, slipstream racing is not my cup of tea and i have a lot of problems seeing the breaking points, as the yellow distance signs overhead i used are obscured by the driver names during the race.

 

[05XR8]

Did a 2:07.286.
Seems like a fuel race. Did a Custom Race set up. Picked 14th to start. My BOP On. Had 0.9laps at end of Lap 6. Added 2.0laps, for total of 2.3laps leaving the pits.

Maybe cruise behind someone and conserve. Could possibly jump spots from those pitting. Can't call this one.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Naw, you guys don’t want to drive the McLaren’s all the time, you wouldn’t like them at all.

Judging by that flyer you posted for the Tokyo race this week in FP… I think I should give it a try! Nice lap!

Getting the speed up and out of the Red Bull Jr car at Seaside takes some doing! That car requires being on the razor’s edge At a track like that, at least. That rear end wants to lead the way in those esses doesn’t it?! I’ve got work to do after just a few practice laps. Really interesting how much time is between a 8/10 lap and 9/10. I don’t know if I’ll get to 10/10 by race time!

 

[wedjim]

I tried the Mitsu on my backup and it is 5 mph slower on the straights.
I’m guessing the Corvette on my main would be 3 mph slower?
FYI: The Veyrons pulled away from the Corvette, even in their draft, lol. Qualified 10th and Managed a 6th staying out of trouble and letting Veyrons by to draft the entire Monza race.

 

[kungtotte_]

Saving fuel in the Vette at Tokyo (or anywhere) is kind of out of the question so I'm planning a one-stop strategy for Wednesday. Unless I can hook up a tow early on and stay in it.

My best lap so far is a 2:07.6 in free practice.

 

[HaydenFan69]

2:07.946 with the Atenza

I don’t think I can wrangle much more out of it. Maybe a couple tenths. But I expect a qualifier on my own (with no slipstream) to be closer to a 2:09 due to that fast lap coming on lap 12-13 of a 15 lap run and didn’t crack a 2:08 lap until lap 10.

I think if you keep it off the wall, I don’t see why any car couldn’t win. I expect a lot of people smacking the wall trying to push it in the race and getting a penalty on top of losing all momentum.

Note: I totally thought the race was being run in the other direction.

 

[05XR8]

I'm just thinking T1 mayhem. Everywhere else flows good. No doubt we'll see wall riding penalties.

I think if you're leading by the last corner, might be slick to delay accelerating at corner exit.

 

[HaydenFan69]

I'm thinking the blind right after you pass under the bridge might be a problem spot as well. It's fast and tightens up on exit a lot. Even if you pass through clean, someone might've caught the wall and were unable to get up to speed or move out of the way.

It will be a fun race. A bit nerve racking, but if the pace is slow enough, it could be like the most recent race @ Goodwood.

 

[kungtotte_]

Catching up to people serving penalties is going to be scary too, they'll unghost in a flat out section so the speed difference will be immense.

No idea how the pit exit is either since people flying by are on the rev limiter there.

 

[LVS_1986]

Bunch of masochists here. You all know better, and yet you ran Monza anyway. SMH.

It wasnt that bad I dont like Monza, Im not good at it... Wasnt expecting much, decided to run one race... Qualified 4th with 1,57.3xx in high B/S lobby... T1 was suprisingly clean... At least in front, I kept my position whole race... 123pts for me Boring race in boring car at boring track...
Edit: my DR back to A

 

[05XR8]

I'm thinking the blind right after you pass under the bridge might be a problem spot as well. It's fast and tightens up on exit a lot. Even if you pass through clean, someone might've caught the wall and were unable to get up to speed or move out of the way.

It will be a fun race. A bit nerve racking, but if the pace is slow enough, it could be like the most recent race @ Goodwood.

It's the fuel race that'll add to the undoing. Atenza will no doubt go the distance. Not sure about the Big Three(Chevy, Dodge, Ford). High top speeds of the Huracan and Veyron come at a fuel cost? I don't know.

I think it'll be fun do.

Catching up to people serving penalties is going to be scary too, they'll unghost in a flat out section so the speed difference will be immense.

No idea how the pit exit is either since people flying by are on the rev limiter there.

That's thing. This layout is a bit smoother. The Outer Loop has more esses, plus the ramp that goes over the track to drop back to the final turn.
The inner loop has the esses and then the ramp that enters the run to the flag. It's just get the timing and flow right, to maybe eke a gap before the final turn.

About pit exit, if you have to pit, I think your race is over. I don't know though... and that's the other bit of fun about this next race.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I'm in the Mustang, probably have to pit... But trying to avoid it. Let's see.

 

[kungtotte_]

I'm going to run a fuel test in the Vette but past experiences tell me that refuelling is almost a certainty.

Short-shifting and remapping the engine to save enough fuel makes you lose too much time because the fuel consumption is so high. We're talking adding a lap or two in most races (or stints!), not just half a lap or whatever.

 

[05XR8]

I'm going to run a fuel test in the Vette but past experiences tell me that refuelling is almost a certainty.

Short-shifting and remapping the engine to save enough fuel makes you lose too much time because the fuel consumption is so high. We're talking adding a lap or two in most races (or stints!), not just half a lap or whatever.

I don't see myself conserving for anything. I'm in it to watch the replays, man.

 

[kungtotte_]

Heh, yeah I favour stopping over conserving too. I'll save if I'm nearly there to make it with one less stop, like if I'm missing a third of a lap over a whole stint I will short-shift my way there but with a V8 there's no hope

Big engines need big fuel

 

[Mistah_MCA]

It's the fuel race that'll add to the undoing. Atenza will no doubt go the distance. Not sure about the Big Three(Chevy, Dodge, Ford). High top speeds of the Huracan and Veyron come at a fuel cost? I don't know.

I think it'll be fun do.

That's thing. This layout is a bit smoother. The Outer Loop has more esses, plus the ramp that goes over the track to drop back to the final turn.
The inner loop has the esses and then the ramp that enters the run to the flag. It's just get the timing and flow right, to maybe eke a gap before the final turn.

About pit exit, if you have to pit, I think your race is over. I don't know though... and that's the other bit of fun about this next race.

Viper can no stop. Not sure about Corvette, but the Mustang is in trouble.

Without fuel saving, my pit loss was 14.8 seconds. Three other people were no stopping in that lobby, and passed me as I exited; I passed two of them later on, but the last one finished about a second ahead of me. If we're talking about 20 cars, and some no stop, it'll be even more difficult for one to regain positions to get back to where they were before pitting.

 

[das89ca]

Those of you who drive the Viper, don't really bother with slipstream. The gearbox settings limits the top speed in slipstream to 264kph so on the straight we are sitting ducks. I think the only chance is to qualify well and hope to put a gap in the 1st lap on the twisty section.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Viper can no stop. Not sure about Corvette, but the Mustang is in trouble.

Without fuel saving, my pit loss was 14.8 seconds. Three other people were no stopping in that lobby, and passed me as I exited; I passed two of them later on, but the last one finished about a second ahead of me. If we're talking about 20 cars, and some no stop, it'll be even more difficult for one to regain positions to get back to where they were before pitting.

Thanks, from a Mustang driver....

 

[05XR8]

Those of you who drive the Viper, don't really bother with slipstream. The gearbox settings limits the top speed in slipstream to 264kph so on the straight we are sitting ducks. I think the only chance is to qualify well and hope to put a gap in the 1st lap on the twisty section.

I was wondering about that in FP. Couldn't believe how much of a gap I was pulling on the top Vipers before T1.


Tried a Custom Race to see what I top out at. 275km/h. Maybe a couple more with a bigger gap between the lead car. Or does my speed become fixed?


My gearing was the same BOP in FP and the Custom Race:
3.7 gears, 292km/h(theoretical) 6th gear.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Ran some practice at Tokyo and Seaside for this week's FIA races.

The Tokyo race is really interesting- all about momentum as far as pace goes, much like driving a lower-spec open wheel car with no aero. And with the key to avoid the walls but not to lose the slipstream, all about working the front end of the car to maximize the exit speeds on those fast turns.

And so is the Nations race, too, though with the car set up on the knife edge of oversteer, it's all about momentum but with the challenge of keeping the rear in line, preserving entry speed.

Two very different challenges.

 

[kungtotte_]

Ran a test just now. Normal race pace without conserving any fuel I ran out of fuel in the last corner on lap 7.

So that's two and a bit laps to save over 9 laps with the Corvette. Slipstream will help a lot with both fuel and speed obviously but it feels undoable to save that much and not lose too much time per lap.

15 second pit loss means your eco-drive pace needs to be within ~1.5 seconds of your normal pace to be faster than making a pitstop.

You can skip changing tyres too in the Vette so the pitloss might be even less (meaning your saving pace needs to be even closer to full tilt to be better).

There's traffic to consider, but can you keep people behind you at your slower fuel saving pace I wonder? Tricky race for sure.

 

[Geauxgreddy]

Went into Spa to fix my SR (I had 19 clean races in a row there so I figure I can put 3 back to back). No such luck.

Total nightmare in T1 and at the end of Kimmel Straight all the way to No Name. Seemed like the harder I tried to stay out of peoples way, the worse it got for me. DR reset. Lost 30K.

I'm now a B A. I feel like I'm racing in a mine field. I've managed to pull my SR up to 68, but not sure if I'll make S by Wednesday.

For those that have done this before, what's the best strategy to regain SR/DR? Should I just eat DR and hang out in the back to get SR up 1st? Not much DR left to eat now (18k). :/