FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[stpatty]

Still haven’t figured out what’s the best way to go about this with the Vantage. I hate this kind of “strategy”. A part of me honestly just wants to say 🤬 it and just go all out, refuel and let the chips fall where they may.

I'm planning on lots of testing and calculations tomorrow before I race, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up doing this. Looking forward to trying to eke some fuel out of the GT-R.

 

[Zorz]

...and @Jwptexas and @Pigems …how in the WORLD did you get to the ‘37’s in that RBJr car?! Had to work my balls off to crack into the

...gee, thanks! Now when I DON'T get a good result, I'm gonna feel that much worse! But: fingers crossed. I do remember that the Cayman was surprisingly handy in race conditions, in the last season at the other version of this track.

As long as you don't copy what a Porsche in a lobby I was just in did, you should be fine. He couldn't understand why the Porsche that started 3rd (it was a Porsche 1-2-3 at the start) absolutely destroyed the other two. We tried explaining that Porsche can do fast laps all race without stopping, but his fuel usage was astronomical. I checked the replay, he spent the straight bouncing off the rev limiter in 5th rather than shifting up to 6th.

In all seriousness though, as long as you don't get involved in any incidents you really do have a great chance at a very strong result here. 👍 (I'm only a little jealous, honest )

 

[barak181]

Their BOP is overpowered, they have much faster acceleration and often higher top speed. This is supposed to be balanced by tire wear, but if the multiplier is low they are too strong

The FF most definitely don't have a higher top speed.

I had an unexpected day off today, so I took every Gr 4 car onto Tokyo East Inner Loop and recorded their top speed. The FF's top out at 159 mph (except for the Sirocco at 160). Only the Megane Trophy has a lower top speed.

FF
TT Cup 159 mph
RCZ 159
Scirroco 160
Megane 159

FR
V8 Vantage 164
M4 161
Corvette 164
Viper 163
Mustang 162
Genesis 161
F-type 164
RCF 163
Toyota 86 161

4WD
Veyron 166
Huracan 166
Atenza 163
Lancer Evo 162
GT-R 164
WRX 160

MR
4C 161
GT by Citroen 162
458 164
NSX 162
650S 162
Cayman 163
Megane Trophy 156

Edit: All cars were set to the current BOP, tires were RH, TCS 0.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Don't think i'll be doing this race. Can't get lower than a 2:08.5 in free practice and i thought my FF Peugeot would be fast down the straight but only hits 159mph max!

Yep, similar line of thought here. I hit 2:07.7 in the same car although that was after 10 laps and not a single FF in the Top 10 (EMEA) either. Top end speed seems to drag it down, I guess.

I may run it from the back (slipstream will catapult me ahead going by previous dailies anyway, lol) to spectate the inevitable carnage and penalties but I don't expect to do well for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[HaydenFan69]

I had an unexpected day off today

Those are always nice am I right?

Atenza 163

I was seeing 162 (but close enough) on my own. In the slipstream, it does really well getting to 166. Idk about the air physics of the game, but it probably cuts a giant hole in the air, so probably best to fuel save by following me. Lol

 

[stpatty]

The FFs have great acceleration because they're light, but they have no top end because they have no power.

 

[05XR8]

Qualifying etiquette.

I mentioned how I go it alone. However, if I choose to go out and someone wants to follow me around, I'm not moving over if they catch me in corners. That's their fault for using the slipstream as an advantage.

Hey, not everyone are me and I'm not everyone, but... When I see I'm catching a car ahead, I let them run their lap. I try to ease off the throttle, stay out of their draft at every possible moment and sometimes I'll abort my lap. Taking me out of a potentially good position. That's just me.

At this particular Tokyo track, I'm doing my own thing. I just can't stress the ire I feel, when someone is tailgating and expecting the car ahead to give way.

Racing is different. That's where you want to use the slipstream to pass.

As for the Atenza, if had good fuel economy with it in past races. That's why I'm asking if it needs to pit. I know fuel depends on shifting before fuel cut and shifting at redline.
There is an overboost/overrev spot, when viewed from the cockpit gauges. Using that overrev raises fuel consumption. It's actually not short-shifting, when shifting before that overrev range. That saves fuel.

Someone also mentioned about the FFs in Custom Race. Many Gr.4 races I've done, the FFs will start at the front. Ironically, the RCZ always gets left behind. Finishes last in long races and gets swamped in most of my sprint races. The Scirocco and Megane usually remain at the top to "fight". TT falls down the order too.

Again, at high speed circuits, the Cayman, Huracan, sometimes the Veyron, are usually the highest placed AI. From my experiences.

 

[HaydenFan69]

@05XR8 go at fuel map 1 and you’ll have enough to make it to pit at the end of lap 7. If you can save and make up 2 laps, awesome. But I felt I couldn’t.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The FF most definitely don't have a higher top speed.

I had an unexpected day off today, so I took every Gr 4 car onto Tokyo East Inner Loop and recorded their top speed. The FF's top out at 159 mph (except for the Sirocco at 160). Only the Megane Trophy has a lower top speed.

FF
TT Cup 159 mph
RCZ 159
Scirroco 160
Megane 159

FR
V8 Vantage 164
M4 161
Corvette 164
Viper 163
Mustang 162
Genesis 161
F-type 164
RCF 163
Toyota 86 161

4WD
Veyron 166
Huracan 166
Atenza 163
Lancer Evo 162
GT-R 164
WRX 160

MR
4C 161
GT by Citroen 162
458 164
NSX 162
650S 162
Cayman 163
Megane Trophy 156

Edit: All cars were set to the current BOP, tires were RH, TCS 0.

You are right. What I meant was on most tracks they achieve a higher speed before the end of the straight, because there is only a few tracks with those long straights, most tracks you never get to true topspeed. And then the FF win....

 

[GTWolverine]

...and @Jwptexas and @Pigems …how in the WORLD did you get to the ‘37’s in that RBJr car?!

I can't speak for them, but what I noticed is that T1 sets the tone for the whole lap. That's the hardest corner to get right in these cars (with the hairpin before the CoD a close 2nd. When I did my practice, I could keep up with the ghost of @Jwptexas for the entire lap, but I lost several tenths at the first chicane and the gap stayed the same for the rest of the lap.

 

[MCL1974]

Qualifying etiquette.

I mentioned how I go it alone. However, if I choose to go out and someone wants to follow me around, I'm not moving over if they catch me in corners. That's their fault for using the slipstream as an advantage.

Hey, not everyone are me and I'm not everyone, but... When I see I'm catching a car ahead, I let them run their lap. I try to ease off the throttle, stay out of their draft at every possible moment and sometimes I'll abort my lap. Taking me out of a potentially good position. That's just me.

At this particular Tokyo track, I'm doing my own thing. I just can't stress the ire I feel, when someone is tailgating and expecting the car ahead to give way.

Racing is different. That's where you want to use the slipstream to pass.

As for the Atenza, if had good fuel economy with it in past races. That's why I'm asking if it needs to pit. I know fuel depends on shifting before fuel cut and shifting at redline.
There is an overboost/overrev spot, when viewed from the cockpit gauges. Using that overrev raises fuel consumption. It's actually not short-shifting, when shifting before that overrev range. That saves fuel.

Someone also mentioned about the FFs in Custom Race. Many Gr.4 races I've done, the FFs will start at the front. Ironically, the RCZ always gets left behind. Finishes last in long races and gets swamped in most of my sprint races. The Scirocco and Megane usually remain at the top to "fight". TT falls down the order too.

Again, at high speed circuits, the Cayman, Huracan, sometimes the Veyron, are usually the highest placed AI. From my experiences.

agree, regarding your qualifying etiquette. Regarding the RCZ, have used it in the last few races and actually really like how it drives. Yes, top speed is not very good compared to some cars but only a few tracks have very long straights. the accelaration is quite good, and in my opinion it is not as bad with tyrewear and fuel economy as many have claimed. I really liked using it at both Ascari (long race) and Goodwood (sprintrace) and had good results in both. Have used the BMW M4 and the Megany Trophy in the past and for me the RCZ is overall an improvement on both.

And to Barak181: thanks so much for doing the top speed test!

 

[barak181]

You are right. What I meant was on most tracks they achieve a higher speed before the end of the straight, because there is only a few tracks with those long straights, most tracks you never get to true topspeed. And then the FF win....

Acceleration is quite a different story. I didn't record any data but it varied wildly from car to car. Some of those cars with a higher top end take forever to get there.

 

[Pigems]

I can't speak for them, but what I noticed is that T1 sets the tone for the whole lap. That's the hardest corner to get right in these cars (with the hairpin before the CoD a close 2nd. When I did my practice, I could keep up with the ghost of @Jwptexas for the entire lap, but I lost several tenths at the first chicane and the gap stayed the same for the rest of the lap.

It’s pretty close between the last corner(leading to the front straight/line), and the Hairpin I think, for corner with the longest full throttle section after it. Also, the uphill Right hander the leads into the esses, those are the 3 most important corners to get right. Those 3 corners lead to the longest sections of wide open throttle on the whole track, so getting any of those exits even slightly wrong, will lose you the most time down the full throttle sections. T1 chicane is also big, but not nearly as important as those other three, as the full throttle section after it isn’t nearly as long.

 

[KosmoKazi]

It’s pretty close between the last corner(leading to the front straight/line), and the Hairpin I think, for corner with the longest full throttle section after it. Also, the uphill Right hander the leads into the esses, those are the 3 most important corners to get right. Those 3 corners lead to the longest sections of wide open throttle on the whole track, so getting any of those exits even slightly wrong, will lose you the most time down the full throttle sections. T1 chicane is also big, but not nearly as important as those other three, as the full throttle section after it isn’t nearly as long.

I've found trusting the front end to hook up, and the rear end not to step out, as early as possible in the final turn, to be a challenge, and likely where I am leaving time on the table. I know for sure there is some time to gain in the T1 chicane as well... it's amazing how fast you can take it when you nail it. That right hander at the back has always vexed me in Gr3/Gr4 cars... but what I've noticed in the RBJr car is that you can really push the car hard into the apex with the aero, braking a bit later and diving a bit harder into the corner, taking much of the curb.

I'll have to download a ghost and try it... I typically don't bother because it's distracting, but here it may be a good tool and definitely helpful to measure those three spots compared to my own speeds.

 

[HaydenFan69]

Do not have access to the game being at work, but this is the Seaside circuit layout that is run clockwise right?

 

[GTWolverine]

I've found trusting the front end to hook up, and the rear end not to step out, as early as possible in the final turn, to be a challenge, and likely where I am leaving time on the table. I know for sure there is some time to gain in the T1 chicane as well... it's amazing how fast you can take it when you nail it. That right hander at the back has always vexed me in Gr3/Gr4 cars... but what I've noticed in the RBJr car is that you can really push the car hard into the apex with the aero, braking a bit later and diving a bit harder into the corner, taking much of the curb.

I'll have to download a ghost and try it... I typically don't bother because it's distracting, but here it may be a good tool and definitely helpful to measure those three spots compared to my own speeds.

I'm actually coasting/using minimal throttle at the middle of the corner at the hairpins. I know the general consensus is that the quickest way to drive most of the time is to be using one of the pedals at all times, but I've found that diving towards the apexes while braking made me much slower on exit. If I let the car rotate while coasting briefly towards the apex, I can get on the gas much sooner and make up time.

 

[Jwptexas]

I finally managed to get into the 36s 👍 I don't got much more in me though. From the numerous laps I've done T1 is make it or break it for me everytime. That turn before the COD though is probably the trickiest for me because it feels like you can take multiple different lines. Either way brake early and keep your speed up on all of them. Using a little less than half throttle thru the turns and not using 100% of the brakes seems to help me.

 

[Winnie847]

I finally managed to get into the 36s 👍 I don't got much more in me though. From the numerous laps I've done T1 is make it or break it for me everytime. That turn before the COD though is probably the trickiest for me because it feels like you can take multiple different lines. Either way brake early and keep your speed up on all of them. Using a little less than half throttle thru the turns and not using 100% of the brakes seems to help me.

now it's time to get your butt in a lobby and get some real practice in

 

[Jwptexas]

now it's time to get your butt in a lobby and get some real practice in

Never. Lol... my strategy is start on pole everytime and go from there. Practice starts 1st slot

 

[Winnie847]

Never. Lol... my strategy is start on pole everytime and go from there. Practice starts 1st slot

what's your DR? we might be in the same lobby. I'm recovering from a DR reset, but it only put me down to 40k. I'm back up to 44.5, but no time to grind back to A+ before Saturday. I'm sure participation will be low, so 44k should put me in 2nd split for the first slot (maybe) then most likely top split every slot after that.

 

[Jwptexas]

what's your DR? we might be in the same lobby. I'm recovering from a DR reset, but it only put me down to 40k. I'm back up to 44.5, but no time to grind back to A+ before Saturday. I'm sure participation will be low, so 44k should put me in 2nd split for the first slot (maybe) then most likely top split every slot after that.

I'm at 45k on my main account but I haven't raced any Nations races on it. Just started my TPC account and it's only at 25k... hoping to make top 140 with last 4 races. I may have to run 1st slot on the main though

 

[KosmoKazi]

I'm actually coasting/using minimal throttle at the middle of the corner at the hairpins. I know the general consensus is that the quickest way to drive most of the time is to be using one of the pedals at all times, but I've found that diving towards the apexes while braking made me much slower on exit. If I let the car rotate while coasting briefly towards the apex, I can get on the gas much sooner and make up time.

I think "This is the Way"... see some of my earlier posts. Yes, my approach is normally to use at least one of the pedals, and I like (IRL) to do a lot of overlap... but the game seems to model-out the rotation whenever one or the other is using the front or rear tires. It's like they take the 'traction circle' idea way too literally, and don't allow ANY rotation when a brake or throttle input is present. I believe it's a shortcoming in the physics model (and tire model) and not realistic. But I 100% agree with your approach. It's all about backing up that sequence, rotating under NO LOAD and then getting on the throttle as early as possible in this game. The blue time gap just gets bigger and bigger when you do that.

Now... if I could only DO that reliably...

 

[05XR8]

@05XR8 go at fuel map 1 and you’ll have enough to make it to pit at the end of lap 7. If you can save and make up 2 laps, awesome. But I felt I couldn’t.

JustIJust curious about the fuel economy was all. I'm in the GT-R this time.

Did another run see how fast the GT-R can go. 277km/h(172pmh) is what I got up to, just before exiting the tunnel and until I ran out of AI to draft.

 

[rhcpeppers]

I really enjoy driving the Red Bull Jr. There is FINALLY a car that I can drive flat out through the Chicane of Death , For any of you slower drivers like me that are trying to get a handle on this car, I found that using TCS 3 / BB -3 makes a huge difference. I got my time down to 1:40.2. and I can consistently go flat out through the COD and fat out through the esses.

I tried using BB 0 in a custom race to see if it was faster. I kept getting sideways coming out of the COD and I also spun out in the esses, somehow managing to flip the car over and crashing into the Pirelli sign !

Back to BB -3 and no problems 👍

 

[Winnie847]

I really enjoy driving the Red Bull Jr. There is FINALLY a car that I can drive flat out through the Chicane of Death , For any of you slower drivers like me that are trying to get a handle on this car, I found that using TCS 3 / BB -3 makes a huge difference. I got my time down to 1:40.2. and I can consistently go flat out through the COD and fat out through the esses.

I tried using BB 0 in a custom race to see if it was faster. I kept getting sideways coming out of the COD and I also spun out in the esses, somehow managing to flip the car over and crashing into the Pirelli sign !

Back to BB -3 and no problems 👍

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-3 is actually a pretty good BB for race conditions because the rear tires wear quicker than the fronts, so if you like how it handles just stick with it or even try -4 if it suits you. Your tires will be much closer to being evenly worn than they would if you had it on 0 or on the positive side.

 

[Pigems]

I've found trusting the front end to hook up, and the rear end not to step out, as early as possible in the final turn, to be a challenge, and likely where I am leaving time on the table. I know for sure there is some time to gain in the T1 chicane as well... it's amazing how fast you can take it when you nail it. That right hander at the back has always vexed me in Gr3/Gr4 cars... but what I've noticed in the RBJr car is that you can really push the car hard into the apex with the aero, braking a bit later and diving a bit harder into the corner, taking much of the curb.

I'll have to download a ghost and try it... I typically don't bother because it's distracting, but here it may be a good tool and definitely helpful to measure those three spots compared to my own speeds.

Map a button for “Show/Hide Ghost” and only flick it up on the straight to see where it’s at. You’ll find the time quick enough that way. Watch the lap too, then you know the lines and what gears to be in and where. It’s mostly just Guitar Hero’ing the inputs after that.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I did another test run in Custom Race with one AI car and I managed to finish without refueling in the Vantage.

From the start, I stayed on fuel map 1 and short shifted at 50% revs until I came around and reached the pit entry. That’s where I dropped all the way down to fuel map 6 until I went through T1 again and then changed back up to map 1. Rinse and repeat up to the final lap, where I go flat out. I finished with 0.3 laps of fuel left.

This strategy should work even better with slipstream involved.

 

[Razgriz2118]

Ended up getting a lot of time to do practice races today for Manufacturers tomorrow, and I'm convinced that no-stopping is the way to go. Regardless of where the person is, even in clean air, they don't make up positions/times to the no-stoppers. In the last race I did, a person who was 15s ahead of me before pitting was only 1.6s ahead of me by the first corner, losing 2 positions that weren't made back up in the end. In the practice race before that, the leader was 2.2s ahead of me and went for an early fuel stop on Lap 4, and ended up over 8s behind me after the stop, and they only closed to around 2s behind me at the end of the race for 3rd place. Fighting is going to cost a LOT of time, as in that race I was with a group of 4 cars and my lap times while hanging back were 2s slower than if I'm in clean air, and that's mainly because the only real passing opportunities are into the hairpin, on the main straight, and on the long curves leading up to the main straight. So if you do pit to refuel and get caught in traffic, it could be the end of the race for you.

The Viper only needs 4% of fuel remaining to make it from the final corner to the finish line. I've seen the Viper, SLS, Corvette, and Cayman all make it to the end of the race without refueling.

Edit: Just to add, for the Viper I can get to the end of the race no-problem by shortshifting at around 50% and switching to Fuel Map 6 once I hit 50% in 6th gear on the back straight.

Qualifying etiquette.

I mentioned how I go it alone. However, if I choose to go out and someone wants to follow me around, I'm not moving over if they catch me in corners. That's their fault for using the slipstream as an advantage.

Hey, not everyone are me and I'm not everyone, but... When I see I'm catching a car ahead, I let them run their lap. I try to ease off the throttle, stay out of their draft at every possible moment and sometimes I'll abort my lap. Taking me out of a potentially good position. That's just me.

At this particular Tokyo track, I'm doing my own thing. I just can't stress the ire I feel, when someone is tailgating and expecting the car ahead to give way.

Racing is different. That's where you want to use the slipstream to pass.

As for the Atenza, if had good fuel economy with it in past races. That's why I'm asking if it needs to pit. I know fuel depends on shifting before fuel cut and shifting at redline.
There is an overboost/overrev spot, when viewed from the cockpit gauges. Using that overrev raises fuel consumption. It's actually not short-shifting, when shifting before that overrev range. That saves fuel.

Someone also mentioned about the FFs in Custom Race. Many Gr.4 races I've done, the FFs will start at the front. Ironically, the RCZ always gets left behind. Finishes last in long races and gets swamped in most of my sprint races. The Scirocco and Megane usually remain at the top to "fight". TT falls down the order too.

Again, at high speed circuits, the Cayman, Huracan, sometimes the Veyron, are usually the highest placed AI. From my experiences.

Regarding qualifying etiquette, I think something to add to that is if you botch your lap, like, it's very obvious your lap is ruined from slamming hard into a wall or getting a penalty, if you don't jump back to the pits, please yield to people behind who may be on a flying lap. Your lap is already ruined so you won't gain anything out of it, and you may slow down people on their flying laps.

 

[05XR8]

Maybe if some is going to pit, mid race is the best time. Waiting until fuel has burner off, is too late. Half a tank might be good to forge a comeback.
I'm even thinking pit after a couple laps. Don't know how far behind a player would be regardless of qualifying position.

I noticed in my Custom Races, once the GT-R hits 260km/h behind the AI, it starts burning fuel. 259km/h and lower, the fuel remained steady. 256km/h and lower, fuel saving began.

A no-stop race I did, left me with .2laps remaining. The AI are so helpless in the esses. Slamming on the brakes at a couple apexes. I was staying in 5th. Anyway, in real people competition, this is the challenge of racing.

 

[HaydenFan69]

Hopefully the slot I run has some guys who are a bit slower. As after running a lobby race with @Geauxgreddy, where everyone seemed to have pitted, I was lost. Couldn’t catch the draft and at fuel map 1, was losing at least a second a lap to a Viper on the straight who had his fair share of run-ins with the wall.