FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Tidgney]

Wow 10 of the top 30 in Europe are UK and 11 UK guys have over 2k from 1 race , can we have our own national final first before a European one ? Whoever qualifies for the UK (Whether it's me or others) are going to need some serious luck with lobbies!

 

[mthomas_95]

Wow 10 of the top 30 in Europe are UK and 11 UK guys have over 2k from 1 race , can we have our own national final first before a European one ? Whoever qualifies for the UK (Whether it's me or others) are going to need some serious luck with lobbies!

19/35 above 2000 points from the UK or France. With the 3 per country limit I think something like 96th would qualify for the regional final if the same countries are still excluded and that's assuming everyone eligible is over 18 and/or available

 

[zocker_16]

Here´s my Nations Cup Race from yesterday.
Had some bad luck in qualifying and started from 10th position but with a Corvette (nearly) everything is possible.
Got over 2000 points for 4th place in the end.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Guys, what do u think about the behavior of the driver at 05:00 ( End of lap 2). This ain’t the first time that I’ve seen this moves from him

The initial contact past the chicane is due to a stackup. Not enough time to swerve so that's an accident.

The second incident I see is an example of taking unnecessary risks, especially when a faster driver finds themselves around slower competition. Here, that gap was due to the ahead driver taking a different line for a better exit. They had the entire straight to set up an overtake but for whatever reason, chose to shove in their car on someone that was likely going to turn right into them. I don't understand why people try these moves in a game that hammers both drivers with penalties for even slight grazes. Is the potential of gaining a position worth 5+ seconds of penalties to serve later?

 

[Cuber Tom]

Yesterday was a complete disaster.
I thought my quali lap in manufacturer was pretty good, the Aston is just useless in the corners, so i started p17. Drove OK in the race but only p16. I'm hoping brands will be worst circuit for the car since its decent on power tracks.
Then had a power cut and couldn't enter nations.

 

[Ofuscor]

I watch a lot of the top driver's FIA races on youtube and I'm shocked how buggy they often are, with cars driving through each other when one or both have got penalties. They're not ghosting either as you can see the cars clearly when they're merging.

I watched NicoR battling IOF Racing and they took several corners going through each others cars with no contact.



The same race as hellZfire's first video above. It starts from lap 7 at 50:20 and NicoR's face is comical when it happens the first time but it happens several times after that.

I haven't done any racing in a week or two so I don't know if it's a widespread problem but I've seen it in several of the top drivers races now. I hope things like that don't decide something important like winning a season or getting an invite to an event...

From personal experience in daily races I only ghosted through cars twice and only after having contact multiple times. Both times I was rammed of track and had to make multiple overtakings and I screw a few of them slightly. Also seen it happen to a very dirty driver after break checking people and hiting them on the side. I have not watched their races. Did they have multiple penalties? I think it may be a factor.

 

[kilesa4568]

The first time it happened, only IOF Racing had a penalty.

NicoR was avoiding contact while IOF Racing seemed to be taking advantage of it. It looked like both of them stopped being worried about contact on the very last corner.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Here's my manufacturer race yesterday. Considering all that happened, I'm pleased with the result aside from knowing I would've got P4 if not for the beginning lap.

Currently 1st for Alfa Romeo in America somehow, but that'll go away after this upcoming Gr.3 race

 

[K32]

Here's Nik's stream of round 1 of the second season guys. The Manufacturer race wasn't too interesting, since the SLS just doesn't have the speed to keep up with the frontrunners, and he ended up following a Viper for the most of the race. Nations looked a bit more explosive (Gr.3 is faster, thus funner lol), and despite a questionable pass for 2nd at T3, he managed to grab the win from 3rd. Enjoy!



P.S. I'm very disappointed that PD hasn't let Nik get his Star Player ranking yet, he told me he's still waiting to get his invite, so I guess that they don't give a little leeway for any "special" cases. Remember when the first GTS trailer came out, it said drivers from 7 to 77 could compete, and in the intro movie that "driving is for everyone", where did those promises go? This move by PD to make the "Star Player" a thing and basing it on age, rather than on results and skill has basically handed Japan the win for the Asia/Oceania Regional Final and thwarted any chance of Australia showing a truly competitive presence as Nik is probably not going to make it there now (and as far as I know beau231 and TRL_h0ll01 aren't really participating in these sort of events, so they might not make it there either). It is stopping the many young guns from going up against some of the best sim racers in the world in all regions.

I am not impressed.


By the way, happy 4th of July to everyone from USA! (sorry about mentioning it a bit late)

 

[PirovacBoy]

Just a question to the People that are doing the FIA Races.
Is the 458 competitive, I mean do any top drivers here use it and how does it stack up against the other Brands or is it barely used by any drivers?!
Would you say it’s possible to get a Star Ranking with this Car in Europe Region when driving in A+ rooms?
Edit: I mean the Gr3 458

 

[Timlour]

Had a pretty good manufacturer race at Brands Hatch in a pretty skilled lobby. Starting from 11th, I went up to 8th on lap 1 due to others going off. dirttrackj in a BMW overtook me into Druids (Turn 2) on Lap 6, and he bumped me a little after going up my inside. I got a 3 second penalty (game showed that dirttrackj got 1 second but he didn't actually get any penalty, PD fix this please), but I shaved it all off without even meaning too when I entered the pits on Lap 8.

I took about 45% fuel and came out in 5th ahead of Sharkart, but I was racing on fuel mix 3 so he overtook me pretty easily on Lap 10. It was smooth sailing on mix 3 until Lap 14 when dirttrackj caught back up to me. I starting bumping fuel to mix 1 on the straights while keeping it at 3 in the corners because I knew they'd be hard pressed to get by me in the corners. I held him up, and on Lap 15 the Porsche of werksracing got up right behind dirttrackj, making it a three-way battle for 6th on the last lap. dirttrackj overtook me again in Druids, no contact that time. I kept in front of werksracing until Westfield (Turn 6), where I went too wide and nearly spun off. We were side-by-side going into Sheene (Turn 7), and somehow werksracing made the move around the outside work without going off track. Now that takes skill. I stayed behind him until the end, and made it to the line on 1% fuel.

8th place, and 1393 points for Honda. Congrats to dirttrackj and werksracing for beating me.

Guys, what do u think about the behavior of the driver at 05:00 ( End of lap 2). This ain’t the first time that I’ve seen this moves from him

GT_Academy wasnt the only one who had a run-in with Praiano in that race. On lap 5, I was fighting Praiano for 13th and I almost collided with him going into the chicane. I went into the grass and fell down to 17th. At first I thought it was my fault for braking later than he did, but I checked the replay and saw that he actually switched from the left lane to the right lane in the braking zone, and I got cut off because I didn't hit the brakes as hard as he did. I did make some contact with him on the side, but neither of us got a penalty for it (as far as I know, not sure what it looked like on Praiano's screen). If you follow me on your replay on Lap 5 you should see how it happened.

I know him to be a good driver, and he told me afterwards in PM that he was using roof cam (no rearview mirror), so I'm not too bothered about the incident, but from what I know about sportsmanship in racing, switching your lane in the braking zone is frowned upon. I did tell him that that's something he should watch out for.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

P.S. I'm very disappointed that PD hasn't let Nik get his Star Player ranking yet, he told me he's still waiting to get his invite, so I guess that they don't give a little leeway for any "special" cases.

Well, no. Legality is not something that can have leeway, especially in regards to whether a competitor is under 18. Just because he's quick, doesn't mean legality can be ignored lol

 

[John Crellin]

Just a question to the People that are doing the FIA Races.
Is the 458 competitive, I mean do any top drivers here use it and how does it stack up against the other Brands or is it barely used by any drivers?!
Would you say it’s possible to get a Star Ranking with this Car in Europe Region when driving in A+ rooms?

From what I have seen, the Gr 4 is highly competitive however the GR 3 has major tire wear issues for the longer FIA races that tends to keep it from being overly competitive.

 

[PirovacBoy]

From what I have seen, the Gr 4 is highly competitive however the GR 3 has major tire wear issues for the longer FIA races that tends to keep it from being overly competitive.

Yes I especially meant the Gr3 458

 

[Whitey093]

I don't really think calling people out in here is a good idea. Talking about incidents generically is alright but naming drivers and accusing seems like a bad idea to me. Sure i have bad experiences and swear at my tv a lot playing this game but i only know my side of the story and it wouldn't be fair to smear someone to the world without them having an ability to relate their side of things. I'm not trying to call out one person, I've just been seeing a lot of public call outs lately and i dont like it. If you have heat with someone, i think you sould pm them and keep it offline. Ive done that and many times ended up seeing their side and have even ended up friends with a few who I initially I was ticked off at.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

P.S. I'm very disappointed that PD hasn't let Nik get his Star Player ranking yet, he told me he's still waiting to get his invite, so I guess that they don't give a little leeway for any "special" cases.

I am sure it is to simplify legal issues across the globe to require the 18.

If allowances were made for a "special case" what about the next special case, even if you could work around the legal issue i would probably not be wise because once you allowed on exception you have popped the top and opened the can of worms.

I can understand as a corporation PD maintaining the rules as set forth to the letter and I would not take it personally.

 

[mthomas_95]

Just a question to the People that are doing the FIA Races.
Is the 458 competitive, I mean do any top drivers here use it and how does it stack up against the other Brands or is it barely used by any drivers?!
Would you say it’s possible to get a Star Ranking with this Car in Europe Region when driving in A+ rooms?
Edit: I mean the Gr3 458

Gr3 Nations races left this season are Brands and Dragon Trail, I've managed comfortable* wins at both in the past. In Manufacturers Ferrari will be fairly competitive at most tracks, one of the few challengers to the Mustang at Le Mans. It's problem is you can't do anything different on strategy, you have no choice but to pit at half distance because of the rear tyre wear. It's not impossible to win with it, just there is usually a better alternative.

You'd probably be one of the Top 10 Ferrari drivers in Manufacturers, not many A+ guys in it apart from maatu and I.

*as comfortable as possible in a car that wants to kill you on corner exit

 

[tofuhero]

Just a question to the People that are doing the FIA Races.
Is the 458 competitive, I mean do any top drivers here use it and how does it stack up against the other Brands or is it barely used by any drivers?!
Would you say it’s possible to get a Star Ranking with this Car in Europe Region when driving in A+ rooms?
Edit: I mean the Gr3 458

I'm certainly not a top driver, but yeah, I haven't found the Gr.3 to be competitive due to tire wear and the snap oversteer. Once the tires start going I have to spend a great deal of mental energy and concentration just keeping the car pointed in the right direction at the same pace.

I got 4th on Brands Hatch FIA with the Gr.4 Ferrari though, so it's not all bad.

 

[K32]

Well, no. Legality is not something that can have leeway, especially in regards to whether a competitor is under 18. Just because he's quick, doesn't mean legality can be ignored lol

I am sure it is to simplify legal issues across the globe to require the 18.

If allowances were made for a "special case" what about the next special case, even if you could work around the legal issue i would probably not be wise because once you allowed on exception you have popped the top and opened the can of worms.

I can understand as a corporation PD maintaining the rules as set forth to the letter and I would not take it personally.

In some certain racing categories it is understood that, if you are turning 18 or whatever specified age is required to enter in the championship, but are not that age by the time it starts (you're still a couple months from turning that age), they can still let you participate. A person born in 2000 will be 18 years old in 2018, so the guys at PD should let people in by that criteria, not by their specific birthday. Imagine a situation where a driver can't race because they're underage, and the first test/race of the season is just 1 day before their birthday, it seems very unreasonable to go ahead and say that's ok. A person born on the 31st of December, 2000, will still, be 18 years old in 2018, since that is the year he turns 18, so if turns 18 that year he should be allowed to participate.

I know it's treading a fine line, but you can argue this kind of case and win, especially if the driver in question has the consent of a parent to travel overseas and participate, etc.

I don't want to revisit what I talked about (in another forum topic) before with Max Verstappen and "the age limit of F1" fiasco. It's much too long to write about right now, and I hated debating with GTP members (I'm here to get along with everybody and have a good time ) over whether this example of a major corporation letting a blind eye towards an underage driver even happened. If F1 management can do this (for at least one time), why can't PD do it too?

 

[ASH32]

PD can set whatever rules they want, if you live in a ineligible country or are under age or both, you can't become DR S or take part in the top24 races or the live events and that is just tough luck I'm afraid.

It's a shame the top 24 races won't have all the very best top 24 racers present but I doubt PD have done this just for a laugh. They have got to respect the laws, rules and regulations of each and every country and if they are regions or countries missing (and there are many) then they'll have a good reason/s why this is the case and no exceptions can ever be made because that would be illegal and cause everyone involved in this a lot of misery.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

A person born on the 31st of December, 2000, will still, be 18 years old in 2018, since that is the year he turns 18, so if turns 18 that year he should be allowed to participate.

If you push the line for age further, then I could make the same argument of 'well if someone on 31st December is allowed, why not 1st January' etc, it's only 1 day, surely that makes no difference', and then if you agree to someone born just 1 day later on 1st January, why not 2nd January, and then 3rd January?

Or even if you say, 'well he is soooo quick, surely there should be a special case', what about someone who is 0.1s slower than him and also under 18, and is for New Zealand for example, that driver shouldn't be allowed? Once again, you could say 'well he's essentially as fast, and you allowed that other underage driver, why not this driver....' and if you allow that driver, what about someone 0.2s slower? You cannot just continue to push a hard line.

Do you understand?

You need to have a hard limit, or else you can try to continue to push the boundaries and will only further cause controversy, as well as legal issues. That isn't worth it, no matter how fast someone supposadly is.

 

[K32]

If you push the line for age further, then I could make the same argument of 'well if someone on 31st December is allowed, why not 1st January' etc, it's only 1 day, surely that makes no difference', and then if you agree to someone born just 1 day later on 1st January, why not 2nd January, and then 3rd January?

Or even if you say, 'well he is soooo quick, surely there should be a special case', what about someone who is 0.1s slower than him and also under 18, and is for New Zealand for example, that driver shouldn't be allowed? Once again, you could say 'well he's essentially as fast, and you allowed that other underage driver, why not this driver....' and if you allow that driver, what about someone 0.2s slower? You cannot just continue to push a hard line.

Do you understand?

You need to have a hard limit, or else you can try to continue to push the boundaries and will only further cause controversy, as well as legal issues. That isn't worth it, no matter how fast someone supposadly is.

I do understand, it's just that the '0.1s' slower guy that's from New Zealand that you mentioned hasn't won 7 Nations Cups and 1 Manufacturer Series (yet)! He's been mentioned on the GT website several times (in the headlines of Live Reports, not just as a name to fill up space in the article itself). And look, even CAMS (the Confederation Of Australian Motorsport) have talked about him.

The fact that he's tried so hard against overwhelming odds (most of Japanese best are out to stop him), and actually come out on top quite a substantial number of times is amazing for a sim-racer of his age. The moment you take him out of the running for the Asia/Oceania Regional Final (which is the case since PD are removing him from the competition by not letting him become a Star Player), it basically becomes a one nation Nations Cup in Asia/Oceania (just like if everyone were to drive the one, same OP manufacturer for the Manufacturer Series), and I don't see how that wouldn't be controversial.

@VeeDoubleU I like it when you follow me around, keep quiet until I put something discussable up on GTP, and start the debate. It's great to be able to try and argue my case (if this is what court's like, I wish I became a lawyer lol. pretty sure it's got better pay than what I get now). I don't want to be unfriendly and I'm truly sorry if appear like that sometimes.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I do understand, it's just that the '0.1s' slower guy that's from New Zealand that you mentioned hasn't won 7 Nations Cups and 1 Manufacturer Series (yet)! He's been mentioned on the GT website several times (in the headlines of Live Reports, not just as a name to fill up space in the article itself). And look, even CAMS (the Confederation Of Australian Motorsport) have talked about him.

We do realize that you are a major fan of this young racer but everything you just listed is insignificant and of no importance to the actual Fact the he does not meet the set requirements of the rules of the competition.

You allow this, what about the guy that is in an excluded location but also could be a legitimate contender?

Maybe even someone that has been a force in past GT franchise competitions.

You want to bend the rules for one you need to bend the rules for another.

Allow one to sidestep the rules and not another then you may be seeing a lawsuit surface.

That is the reason I made the comment is PD is actually wise to never open that can of worms. Once you pop that top you cannot effectively close it .

There will be future competitions that this young racer will be able to race in. You cannot blame PD that he does not meet the age requirements for this competition.

 

[K32]

We do realize that you are a major fan of this young racer but everything you just listed is insignificant and of no importance to the actual Fact the he does not meet the set requirements of the rules of the competition.

You allow this, what about the guy that is in an excluded location but also could be a legitimate contender?

Maybe even someone that has been a force in past GT franchise competitions.

You want to bend the rules for one you need to bend the rules for another.

Allow one to sidestep the rules and not another then you may be seeing a lawsuit surface.

That is the reason I made the comment is PD is actually wise to never open that can of worms. Once you pop that top you cannot effectively close it .

There will be future competitions that this young racer will be able to race in. You cannot blame PD that he does not meet the age requirements for this competition.

Yep, I agree 100%. Will stop here as my thoughts are a bit mixed on this topic (just doesn't seem fair at all, but rules are rules...) and I don't want to provoke anyone.

 

[Whitey093]

 

[Alpha Cipher]

@K32 let's please stop the topic altogether.

 

[mclarenLB]

@K32 Your support for Nik is hurting his reputation rather than helping it.

 

[Quakebass]

I made my first foray into the FIA Championships today (I never entered the Pre-Season races and didn't have time to join the fun in Season 1), and I think it went alright all things considered. I'm currently sitting at C/S (though I entered with C/A due to my attempts at Race B last night), and I started with the manufacturers cup. I got some good open track during qualifying and managed a 1:32.8 by my second lap, but sadly overcooked it a little on my next two attempts and never improved, there was definitely .5 to be gained at minimum at my skill level. Landed P9 of 19, and the field was fairly diverse - I don't think there was a single Renault on the grid.



Here's the summary if you don't have ~25 mins to watch:

Race started (2:30) and I took a place real fast, but overcorrected at Surtees and knocked myself back down to 12th (3:33). From there I managed to keep it clean, and by lap 3 I'd already grabbed 8th as people lost their cool and went off. I held that spot until the start of lap 6, when a BMW punted me off in turn 1 (10:49). In the moment I couldn't tell if it was intentional or not, I didn't feel like I braked too early, the shunt wasn't too hard and it's possible he just missed his braking point, but the post-race results displayed him with a incriminating red SR-B amongst a sea of blue S's. Needless to say I got shoved back down to 11th. That kinda irked me, but I ended up having a nice battle for 9th against a Corvette for the next two laps before he hit the gravel at Westfield (14:58). Pitted at the halfway mark, and dropped back down to 12th. Climbed up to 8th eventually as people ahead pitted and made mistakes, but I took a bad line at the start of lap 14 and dove into the gravel (23:45), cost me a place and all the progress I'd made catching up to P7. From there the Corvette I'd been battling earlier caught back up with me and sat on my bumper, and I started cracking under pressure. Overcooked it a bit out of Sheene's on lap 15 (26:30), didn't spin, but picked up a ~.6 second penalty and now had three guys riding my butt. On the final lap I hit the grass entering Stirling's (28:09), saved myself from spinning but the speed loss opened a door for P10 to catch me and overtake me right before the finish line, and then the 1-sec penalty put me in 11th by 0.075 seconds. 259 points in the bank.

A really fun race, but overshadowed by mistakes and the knowledge that I could've placed better if I'd kept it on track. I'd bet I could've placed up to 5 positions higher if I'd ran without mishaps. I'm concerned about the future races in this series though since I'm signed with Lamborghini, and I'm really struggling to keep the Gr. 3 car stable in the corners.

*video uploading*

Nations cup was a gamble - I haven't properly learned the racing line on Nurburgring GP, and on top of that I picked a car I don't know super well (in general I haven't been using Gr. 3 much in GTS), so I set myself up with a double whammy of unfamiliarity. I didn't really get a "good" (even by my standards) lap before getting dive-bombed and bounced off during qualifying, but amazingly my 2:03.654 was enough to place me 12th of 19 on the grid. The start was bit messy and after shuffling through positions for the first half of the lap I got punted into the gravel and thrown into last. My lines sucked but my strategy worked, by lap 4 I'd grabbed 16th and ended up in a 5-way battle for 13th for about a lap, but then got knocked back down to 17th when I got caught in turn 1 chaos on lap 5. I slowly got my act together and found a groove by about lap 8, where I got thrown into another battle for 13th. Going into lap 10 it turned into a battle for 10th between four cars, and a guy in a pink pig-liveried Porsche started causing trouble, fighting way too aggressively for position and bumping people almost every corner. I hit the gravel again halfway through lap 11 and had to crawl back up from 16th, but miraculously the pink pig Porsche caused enough chaos to hold the group back for me, allowing me to battle for extra positions going into the final lap. I caught a 1 second penalty in the final 1/3rd of the track for going wide on a corner, and I thought I'd just killed what little extra finishing opportunities I still had, but alas - I'm in 15th heading into the final corner, someone way up ahead spins into the pit entry and re-enters in the middle of the corner, takes out the guy right in front of me, and then the finish timer hits zero just meters before I hit the finish line, my penalty no longer affects my race time, and I take home 13th. Only 82 points.

It's not a great finishing position outright (I even qualified higher), but considering how unprepared I was going into it, I wouldn't necessarily call it a bad result (though my DR may disagree... ).

Outside of a few bad eggs my first run of championship races had largely good fun racing, and luckily my work schedule is shifting around so that I can actually participate in a majority of this season.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Gr3 Nations races left this season are Brands and Dragon Trail, I've managed comfortable* wins at both in the past. In Manufacturers Ferrari will be fairly competitive at most tracks, one of the few challengers to the Mustang at Le Mans. It's problem is you can't do anything different on strategy, you have no choice but to pit at half distance because of the rear tyre wear. It's not impossible to win with it, just there is usually a better alternative.

You'd probably be one of the Top 10 Ferrari drivers in Manufacturers, not many A+ guys in it apart from maatu and I.

*as comfortable as possible in a car that wants to kill you on corner exit

Thanks on the Info @mthomas_95 . So I probably could have a chance, hmm, good to know.
And yes the strategy thing because of the Tires is making it a bit predictable, I sadly have to agree.

Until today I haven’t raced a single FIA race, so I‘m still undecided whether to give it a try or not. If People behave like during the Daily races, i‘ll better bury that thought. I‘m too old for risking a heartache

I'm certainly not a top driver, but yeah, I haven't found the Gr.3 to be competitive due to tire wear and the snap oversteer. Once the tires start going I have to spend a great deal of mental energy and concentration just keeping the car pointed in the right direction at the same pace.

I got 4th on Brands Hatch FIA with the Gr.4 Ferrari though, so it's not all bad.

Well, i‘m Not having any issues with the Gr3 counterpart either, until the Diva starts to put on her Heels and decides to do some Ice Skating on the Asphalt. This usually happens after the half race length and from that point you better start doing your prayers

 

[MrCooper]

have you noticed in season 1 a change of grip from free practice to race conditions? It happened to me in Interlagos, and Monza. Serious changes of grip. The free practice was like driving on ice, and the race was super grip

Sounds like either practice or the race was glitched for you. For me, grip is usually slightly lower in the race compared to practice.

Until today I haven’t raced a single FIA race, so I‘m still undecided whether to give it a try or not. If People behave like during the Daily races, i‘ll better bury that thought. I‘m too old for risking a heartache

IME the racing tends to be much better in FIA races than in daily ones, if only for the reason that the lobbies tend to be much better matched.