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What's your take on my 10sec pen in this race? I've heard a lot of people complaining about these 10 sec penalties, but I actually think as innocuous as this was, it's deserved.
But I'd love your take on it, as I think it's a pretty good example. Cued up:

I think it deserves a penalty, mainly because they lost a position due to the bump. If there were no position changes, then I think anything more than 1 or 2 seconds is excessive. With their position loss, maybe up to about 5 seconds, but 10 is way too much. Doubtful that the penalty system is taking other cars into consideration, but would be interesting to know how the penalties are calculated.

side note: Anyone else notice the livery on zottel86's GT-R?
 
Nations was interesting, with a lot of different cars pretty even (I chose the 919 but was a very mixed field). I qualified 15th in my race but was only 1.5 off the best and had pace to spare. Unfortunately I didn't take into account a cone of doom that bunny hopped my car off the track at the banked hairpin.



By the time I got back on track I was 23 seconds behind the leader, and dead last. Managed to fight my way back through the pack to 12th, but my pace would have probably gotten me a top 5 otherwise so was a little bit dissapointed, but I did like that the gr1 cars seemed reasonably balanced on this track.

Thanks to @mthomas_95, @sundaydriving and @Crazy Taylor for the car suggestions, you were very helpful :)


This is confusing. I was under the impression you can't hit cones you don't see...
 
not sure what happen with yesterday, all car in GR.1 I tried feel so understeer and Corvette GR.4 too almost can't turning around and no grip at all feel really weird, almost get last because in both race because of that.

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Tag Heuer your clock was broken
Then another problem appear, what happen if you totally off pace and actually start last than get time bug? It was hell. Really-really hell driving without any grip or thing. Good thing I still get good point to stay on Top 10 Indonesia and top 20 Chevy.

About bug I suspect that come when I pitting in qualify and sudden get that weird time, then I out qualify with that time cause somebody-spin-and-hit-me-and-I-get-usual-5-seconds.

I was in that room, I think it coincided with someone leaving the room during qualifying, I was out on track when it happened, very weird behaviour, I also posted this in the bug thread to see if anyone has come across this before, happens at 5:15
 
I was in that room, I think it coincided with someone leaving the room during qualifying, I was out on track when it happened, very weird behaviour, I also posted this in the bug thread to see if anyone has come across this before, happens at 5:15

Watched the video, this error was not acceptable especially for a FIA race. The pace setter (1:45.117), 1.5s faster then the pole, was assigned to start at P8.:mad:🤬:banghead::eek: His chance of winning this race was stolen by the system. As seen in the clip, his race was ruined by the end of the 1st chicane.

Shame on the system.:grumpy::grumpy::grumpy:

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I was in that room, I think it coincided with someone leaving the room during qualifying, I was out on track when it happened, very weird behaviour, I also posted this in the bug thread to see if anyone has come across this before, happens at 5:15


Ah I remember that guy leave room, I though that was normal disconnect problem then it wacky than the usual one. Your driving is good anyway and good to see anothe GTP guy in room :cheers:

Watched the video, this error was not acceptable especially for a FIA race. The pace setter (1:45.117), 1.5s faster then the pole, was assigned to start at P8.:mad:🤬:banghead::eek: His chance of winning this race was stolen by the system. As seen in the clip, his race was ruined by the end of the 1st chicane.
Shame on the system.:grumpy::grumpy::grumpy:

Really that was really bad to him and other, and that should not happen. Isn't after update system bit mess? Hope in not happen again in future.
 
In every race last place recieves 0 points. All the other positions recieve some. I knew point wise it wasn't a sound option. But it was a chance to see the top aliens. Why not take it? I don't know if I will ever get another one. I knew strategicaly it was better for me to race outside of SS, less people in the other slots that could beat me. Also, I've played sport mode for a month or two. I was quite amazed I was able to get in.

I uploaded my manufacturers race. Yeah, I look back a lot! Took 4 hours to upload :eek:. Crappy internet.


Didn't watch all of your footage from start to finish but watched most bits.

Gotta say really good brave lines through that bus stop style chicane.

I'm not as brave but I'm gonna work on that....lots of time to be made up there.
 
Guys if you are thinking all is lost because you didn't make the T24 always remember there is always an idiot like me who finishes about a minute behind the winner for a total of 1.4k points 👍 quick review of all the things that lost me time (apart from the lack of pace) ↓

I did a brief test of several gr1s, 908, R18 2011 and 919 all seemed fairly close on pace, a tenth or two faster for the Audi but it used way more fuel. Clearly I didn't get anywhere near the best out of the R18 in my quick test - me and the other Peugeot (a guy who was at the N24 event) were languishing around at the back on pace in a race full of R18s. Some guy took the weirdest angle into T3 hit me then a bit later absolute chaos when I touched the grass resulting in 25s of penalties. What was that about a more lenient penalty system? :lol: And then to top it off I binned it.

Oh and we all disconnected from both manufacturers races...

You screwed that race up alright :D I ragequit that one, although not a Superstar one... I was having a really good pace but then I screwed up 1 corner and got off track and could not rejoin the track I just kept spinning.
 
I think it deserves a penalty, mainly because they lost a position due to the bump. If there were no position changes, then I think anything more than 1 or 2 seconds is excessive. With their position loss, maybe up to about 5 seconds, but 10 is way too much. Doubtful that the penalty system is taking other cars into consideration, but would be interesting to know how the penalties are calculated.

side note: Anyone else notice the livery on zottel86's GT-R?
Yeah I agree mate, I think that clip is good evidence of the system working well. Wanted to upload it just as a counter-perspective to the majority of threads/posts that we read about them.
10secs was probably too much as you say, so not perfect, but you can definitely race again under the newer system.
 
Don't forget the Tokyo Central Outer Loop penalty-fest in the manufacturers. Think I will do the nations first as I don't want to spend all night trying to get my SR back up :)
 
Next up in Nations is Gr3 at Brands Hatch. Some may disagree, but I believe this is the best combination on the game.
Gr4 at Brands and Gr2 at Yamagiwa + Miyabi are also wonderful combos
oof. This'll be a hard one for me... At least the technical nature means I can mask my spiky gas pedal :)
Gonna spend the whole day practicing for this
Don't forget the Tokyo Central Outer Loop penalty-fest in the manufacturers.
 
Tokyo Central should have pinball noises every time someone hits the wall or another car. Not looking forward to Brands Hatch either. My pace there disappears here the most.

Any word at all about the Top 24 issues?
 
Didn't watch all of your footage from start to finish but watched most bits.

Gotta say really good brave lines through that bus stop style chicane.

I'm not as brave but I'm gonna work on that....lots of time to be made up there.

It was more about how confident I was with my line as I was entering the chicane. Depending how I felt about it i didn't lift at all or lifted a bit to compensate, making little adjustments.
 
It was more about how confident I was with my line as I was entering the chicane. Depending how I felt about it i didn't lift at all or lifted a bit to compensate, making little adjustments.

Never have any trouble on the way in but the exit.

Probably the only time I think that dotted line guide would help as the second part of that chicane requires a turn of blind faith.

You are effectively turning into a wall and relying on your knowledge of the car you're driving.

So many variables.

Do you chance it flat?
Lift and turn?
Lift turn and accelerate?
Is this car gonna turn immediately?
Drop down a gear to help it turn?
Oversteer?
Understeer?

Is the person your following who's clipped the wall going to ghost?
 
Never have any trouble on the way in but the exit.

Probably the only time I think that dotted line guide would help as the second part of that chicane requires a turn of blind faith.

You are effectively turning into a wall and relying on your knowledge of the car you're driving.

So many variables.

Do you chance it flat?
Lift and turn?
Lift turn and accelerate?
Is this car gonna turn immediately?
Drop down a gear to help it turn?
Oversteer?
Understeer?

Is the person your following who's clipped the wall going to ghost?
A lot of those variable depends on the car and it's tire wear, but sometimes a simple approach to a complex situation can help. Take this with a grain of salt, because I did crash in the chicane (maybe being overconfident.)

Try to look at the white curbs and aim more or less for the center of those. It's much harder to see when following other cars, but the idea is to focus on the space where you want the car to go instead of focusing on the walls/barriers.

Also, if we label the bus stop as 4 turns (right, left, left, right,) I think it helps the flow to keep some steering input between the two lefts. My reasoning is that if I straighten out the steering between the two lefts, then I have to react to possible understeer when I turn in for the second left. But if I keep some steering input, then I am already loading the outside tires/suspension and will be feeling for understeer the whole time and can react sooner.
 
A lot of those variable depends on the car and it's tire wear, but sometimes a simple approach to a complex situation can help. Take this with a grain of salt, because I did crash in the chicane (maybe being overconfident.)

Try to look at the white curbs and aim more or less for the center of those. It's much harder to see when following other cars, but the idea is to focus on the space where you want the car to go instead of focusing on the walls/barriers.

Also, if we label the bus stop as 4 turns (right, left, left, right,) I think it helps the flow to keep some steering input between the two lefts. My reasoning is that if I straighten out the steering between the two lefts, then I have to react to possible understeer when I turn in for the second left. But if I keep some steering input, then I am already loading the outside tires/suspension and will be feeling for understeer the whole time and can react sooner.

Some really good pointers here.

Will try these out on my next practice laps around the track.

By far the most difficult, complex and exhilarating part of the track.

Lots of time to be won or lost on this section.

I do love a high speed chicane....this one, Ascari at Monza and possibly my favourite from racing F1 96 years ago....Magny Cours.
 
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I don't understand why top 24 superstar race earn the double of the points for example or why a winner of a DR B driver pay only 50 points.
In my opinion the only fair points attribution system would be refering to the total race time and all players would be ranked after all the rooms concluding their races.
 
I don't understand why top 24 superstar race earn the double of the points for example or why a winner of a DR B driver pay only 50 points.
In my opinion the only fair points attribution system would be refering to the total race time and all players would be ranked after all the rooms concluding their races.

it's a race, not a 20 lap time trial.

All that will happen then is likely more incidents as people will be like 'HEY I'M BEING BLOCKED AND LOSING HALF A SECOND PER LAP' and then really forcing by, if it is timed based than position.

Also, someone who isn't challenged in a lower lobby will end up getting way more points than they deserve, because in the higher lobbies, the splits are closer and hence they race more, and slow eachother up. It wouldn't be a true test at all.
 
What can i say:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown: Given that it is a Renault. IMO the hardest one in Gr3. I even can't drive it properly with TCS 2.:eek:
We are not in the same planet though we are sharing view on GTPlanet.:D:gtpflag:

:D In my opinion this is the fastest car around this track as the japanese guys were / are doing high 21.7 with it so i wanted to have a shot with this xD (i was using the wrx before and managed to do a 21.9 with it hehe)
 
:D In my opinion this is the fastest car around this track as the japanese guys were / are doing high 21.7 with it so i wanted to have a shot with this xD (i was using the wrx before and managed to do a 21.9 with it hehe)
I just thought Renault is your favouite Gr3. I was lucky enough raced with you once at Suzuka that you were riding on the same monster.:yuck:
 
it's a race, not a 20 lap time trial.

All that will happen then is likely more incidents as people will be like 'HEY I'M BEING BLOCKED AND LOSING HALF A SECOND PER LAP' and then really forcing by, if it is timed based than position.

Also, someone who isn't challenged in a lower lobby will end up getting way more points than they deserve, because in the higher lobbies, the splits are closer and hence they race more, and slow eachother up. It wouldn't be a true test at all.
I respect your point of view but i don't agree with you , when you enter a random room of manufacturer or nations cup , you have 5 differents optionswith 5 differents max and mini points available depending of the level of the DR room. The difference is huge. You can win around 1500 points with a 5 or 6 place in a high level one , or 1200 winning a lower level one. All this at the same racing pace.
Real life racing today for a 1 or 2 hours race is very close to the hotlap pace with a little security margin of course and also taking in account tires waste and gas.
This is almost the same main goal for most of the B,A , A+ ,S players less the accidental physicals injuries fear.
If you have someone in front of you with a slower pace , you will try to pass him , for a place or for final race overall time.
Total lap time is very expressive and show how good you have really managed the race . It's not a 20 laps time trial , if you spin or get out of the road , total time will be higher together with the lesser points .
So for me , it would be a lot more fair this way. Only my point of view.
 
I respect your point of view but i don't agree with you , when you enter a random room of manufacturer or nations cup , you have 5 differents optionswith 5 differents max and mini points available depending of the level of the DR room. The difference is huge. You can win around 1500 points with a 5 or 6 place in a high level one , or 1200 winning a lower level one. All this at the same racing pace.
Real life racing today for a 1 or 2 hours race is very close to the hotlap pace with a little security margin of course and also taking in account tires waste and gas.
This is almost the same main goal for most of the B,A , A+ ,S players less the accidental physicals injuries fear.
If you have someone in front of you with a slower pace , you will try to pass him , for a place or for final race overall time.
Total lap time is very expressive and show how good you have really managed the race . It's not a 20 laps time trial , if you spin or get out of the road , total time will be higher together with the lesser points .
So for me , it would be a lot more fair this way. Only my point of view.
Total time is a terrible way to do it.

First of all pole position in a low split could easily start you last in a top split race. So for the same quali time you get a 5-10 second head start in a low split.

Secondly if it was based on total time a lot of top drivers would intentionally lower there dr so they can start on pole and don't have to race people to get the best time possible, which for me take all the fun out of it
 
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