FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Tidgney]

As long as they met the prerequisites, they deserve it. It's not their fault if people in their country didn't enter or because other people didn't choose a certain manufacturer.

It is only temporary and correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't change the matching for races. Therefore will not change any final outcomes and could even be a bit embarrassing for them.

It's literally that the prerequisites in my mind and many others from who I've asked hasn't been fully thought through. I have nothing against that driver or any driver, heck if I was an E rated driver and I got offered S I'd claim it to! But the whole idea of S being taken away was because it was to common, now it feels even more common than it was before. In my mind it would have better like this;

1. 6.1.1 are in the top 200 season point rankings of their respective season; or
2. 6.1.2 are in the top 10 season point rankings in their Entrant Country; or
3. 6.1.3 are in the top 2 season point rankings for their respective manufacturer (Manufacturer Series only).

Which would make far more sense and coincide with the top 24 race rules. S in my mind should be for the top, top drivers of each either Nation or Manufacturer. I wouldn't say 10th place in an unpopular manufacturer is deserving of a superstar status, top 1,2 or 3 of a manufacturer yes I agree so top 200 overall in manufacturers or top 2/3 in a manufacturer if that's outside the top 200 for whatever reason would make more sense as it still gives a manufacturer and a player a chance to get back in the top 200 with a weak manufacturer.

I know it's easy for me to say that being quick, but even if I was the slowest thing ever I just want to see the best race and if I was in an DR E lobby and suddenly there's an S in there I'd be worried either they may suddenly think they are better than everyone or that the lobby has matched wrong. Plus looking at the driver I looked at their SR is E so I'd be seriously worried about their driving standards..

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Guessing there are too many people for S rating. Top 50 players and maybe top 1,2 or 3 in Nation/Manufacturer.

 

[DriftMethod]

The point is that the prerequisites are poorly determined.

Did anyone (in your or anyone else's unofficial criteria) that deserves an S rating not achieve it because some people that (in your or anyone else's unofficial criteria) did get an S rating somehow took their opportunity away? Unless you answer yes to this, then the complaint is poorly determined or elitist.

It's literally that the prerequisites in my mind and many others from who I've asked hasn't been fully thought through. I have nothing against that driver or any driver, heck if I was an E rated driver and I got offered S I'd claim it to! But the whole idea of S being taken away was because it was to common, now it feels even more common than it was before. In my mind it would have better like this;

1. 6.1.1 are in the top 200 season point rankings of their respective season; or
2. 6.1.2 are in the top 10 season point rankings in their Entrant Country; or
3. 6.1.3 are in the top 2 season point rankings for their respective manufacturer (Manufacturer Series only).

Which would make far more sense and coincide with the top 24 race rules. S in my mind should be for the top, top drivers of each either Nation or Manufacturer. I wouldn't say 10th place in an unpopular manufacturer is deserving of a superstar status, top 1,2 or 3 of a manufacturer yes I agree so top 200 overall in manufacturers or top 2/3 in a manufacturer if that's outside the top 200 for whatever reason would make more sense as it still gives a manufacturer and a player a chance to get back in the top 200 with a weak manufacturer.

I know it's easy for me to say that being quick, but even if I was the slowest thing ever I just want to see the best race and if I was in an DR E lobby and suddenly there's an S in there I'd be worried either they may suddenly think they are better than everyone or that the lobby has matched wrong. Plus looking at the driver I looked at their SR is E so I'd be seriously worried about their driving standards..

I was not fully aware of why the S rating was taken away, but understand that you may have gotten information that others didn't have access to. We can disagree here, but I really don't see this causing any difference to the championship at all, so don't really understand your concern. Additionally, it's only temporary, so after a few months, it doesn't matter at all.

I believe you mentioned it yourself, that it would be a good strategy to not enter right away to determine the best choice for the Manufacturer championship after seeing what others chose. Since only season 3 matters. Anyone that read the prerequisites shouldn't have been surprised in the slightest that S rating would not be that difficult to achieve. What is surprising is that more top drivers didn't use that strategy and quite possibly will lose out on their opportunity to make it past season 3 through no fault other than their own.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

Did anyone (in your or anyone else's unofficial criteria) that deserves an S rating not achieve it because some people that (in your or anyone else's unofficial criteria) did get an S rating somehow took their opportunity away? Unless you answer yes to this, then the complaint is poorly determined or elitist.

Surely the rating should be a nice cosmetic* reward for the highly skilled of the game? No, of course this doesn't affect anyone who deserves it. But it takes away from the whole point of Star Player, which is to essentially create, albeit mostly cosmetically, a top tier class of players.

(I say cosmetic because as much as it is necessary to enter the Superstar races, that only matters for the high end players and DR or Season Points actually decide, and hence it is more of a 'woo I'm S')

Look, just because the rules for S are the way they are, and how it doesn't affect the matchmaking, doesn't mean it makes peoples criticism invalid.

 

[nissman]

So because my country is not eligeble I will never get the S rank despite my DR being at 73k whilst drivers that are E rated and 2117th in points will get the S rank easily. PD has now completly lost it, this is absurd.

 

[ASH32]

So because my country is not eligeble I will never get the S rank despite my DR being at 73k whilst drivers the are E rated and 2117th in points will get the S rank easily. PD has now completly lost it, this is absurd.

Yes whilst it's likely not their fault (or yours) that you live in a ineligible country, as there's bound to be many legal issues involved, it just doesn't seem right that you are the same DR ranking as me despite being better and that worse drivers are now "ranked" higher than us both.

Of course in my case if I ran the FIA stuff, even at the mid/back of the better rooms, they'd still be a chance I'd could get S because I picked McLaren and no real contended did. You of course are not so lucky, hopefully one day you'll be eligible and drivers rated lower than DR A won't be.

 

[iFuriousRacer]

So because my country is not eligeble I will never get the S rank despite my DR being at 73k whilst drivers that are E rated and 2117th in points will get the S rank easily. PD has now completly lost it, this is absurd.

I feel you I'm in the same situation like you although I'm by far not as good as you.
This FIA races 'discrimination' is just ridiclous...

 

[iFuriousRacer]

I feel you I'm in the same situation like you although I'm by far not as good as you.
This FIA races 'discrimination' is just ridiclous...

Edit: #justiceforsloveniagreeceitalyluxembourg

 

[DriftMethod]

Surely the rating should be a nice cosmetic* reward for the highly skilled of the game? No, of course this doesn't affect anyone who deserves it. But it takes away from the whole point of Star Player, which is to essentially create, albeit mostly cosmetically, a top tier class of players.

(I say cosmetic because as much as it is necessary to enter the Superstar races, that only matters for the high end players and DR or Season Points actually decide, and hence it is more of a 'woo I'm S')

Look, just because the rules for S are the way they are, and how it doesn't affect the matchmaking, doesn't mean it makes peoples criticism invalid.

I understand your point and will agree that everyone can critique as they see fit. It's my opinion that this particular complaint is petty and dangerously close to elitist. What matters to me is race finishing position, championship ranking, racecraft, and sportsmanship, but to each their own.

Looking at it from PD's perspective, it's much more preferable to allow more into the S rating (even if not "deserved") than the other way around. This way, no one can complain that some scenario was overlooked and somehow leaves out drivers that have a chance.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I can see both sides and I can see where PD has to tread carefully to not alienate the majority of the fan base that is not the elite top of the heap drivers that actually stand to gain something from this championship.
So PD throws out a few early bones to make the lower ranked players feel like this championship is for them as well.

And then some of the top guys want to complain that the lower ranked guy does not deserve the recognition or that PD should have made the requirements more stringent so a lower ranked driver could not earn an award!

This is the exact type of attitude that will turn the average drivers against the top guys that think their **** does not stink because they are the top elite super special S rated drivers of the GTS franchise!

What PD has to be careful of is although you want the best of the best at the world finals if the FIA Championships in GTS gets a reputation of actually benefiting ONLY the very top .5% then using the affiliation as a marketing tool or attracting interest in competing for the average players that are not in the very top percentage may possibly lose its luster and the affiliation to a degree will become worthless as a future marketing tool.

PD needs to figure out a way to have perhaps three divisions or levels of skills that benefit from these Championships as they move forward and reward players from across the ranking levels of the player base.

The elite at the top racers may think they are all that matter but even if you look at the daily race lobbies those elite players need the lower ranks to fill their race grids because their numbers are low as a percentage of all the players in the game.

There is a difference of being an Alien or Alienating the very players that really make your having the opportunity to be an Alien possible.

The elite players need the mid ranked players more. than the mid ranked players need the elite players.

Pd will not be making games and selling them long without the numbers of players that make up the 99% that will never see a benefit from a FIA championship!

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I can see both sides and I can see where PD has to tread carefully to not alienate the majority of the fan base that is not the elite top of the heap drivers that actually stand to gain something from this championship.
So PD throws out a few early bones to make the lower ranked players feel like this championship is for them as well.

And then some of the top guys want to complain that the lower ranked guy does not deserve the recognition or that PD should have made the requirements more stringent so a lower ranked driver could not earn an award!

This is the exact type of attitude that will turn the average drivers against the top guys that think their **** does not stink because they are the top elite super special S rated drivers of the GTS franchise!

What PD has to be careful of is although you want the best of the best at the world finals if the FIA Championships in GTS gets a reputation of actually benefiting ONLY the very top .5% then using the affiliation as a marketing tool or attracting interest in competing for the average players that are not in the very top percentage may possibly lose its luster and the affiliation to a degree will become worthless as a future marketing tool.

PD needs to figure out a way to have perhaps three divisions or levels of skills that benefit from these Championships as they move forward and reward players from across the ranking levels of the player base.

The elite at the top racers may think they are all that matter but even if you look at the daily race lobbies those elite players need the lower ranks to fill their race grids because their numbers are low as a percentage of all the players in the game.

There is a difference of being an Alien or Alienating the very players that really make your having the opportunity to be an Alien possible.

The elite players need the mid ranked players more. than the mid ranked players need the elite players.

Pd will not be making games and selling them long without the numbers of players that make up the 99% that will never see a benefit from a FIA championship!

I agree with all your points, but the reason why the lower ranked drivers got the S rating isn't because PD intended them to, but because of specific circumstances (bad manufacturers, countries that has barely any plagers) that made them get that rank, and that's why I think the top players are complaining why this is happening

 

[Kano Manel]

Stupid question No.: 87658558757

How do I "apply" for the S? Where is the link? (I'm #1 for Dartford with Nissan, #4 in Kent... can I get an S?)💡

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Stupid question No.: 87658558757

How do I "apply" for the S? Where is the link? (I'm #1 for Dartford with Nissan, #4 in Kent... can I get an S?)💡

No. Only if you are top 200 overall and top 10 in country or manufacturers overall in region (EMEA, Asia or America).

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I agree with all your points, but the reason why the lower ranked drivers got the S rating isn't because PD intended them to, but because of specific circumstances (bad manufacturers, countries that has barely any plagers) that made them get that rank, and that's why I think the top players are complaining why this is happening

Regardless of the why if the player received the award the he met the criteria of the contest which was in place prior to the events start he deserves the recognition that comes with meeting such criteria and as a player or a person does not deserve to have his accomplishment brought down or questioned by an elitist that thinks another elitist deserved the spot instead.

I have little to no tolerance for anyone that acts as an elitist, thinks they are better than someone else or that belittles or acts condescending towards others because they think others are below them.

 

[MIE1992]

Does anyone know the title of the song that plays during the Nations Cup intro? I can't find it at all.

 

[Crazy Taylor]

that's why I think the top players are complaining why this is happening

It shouldn't really bother any top driver knowing small fry will never get in the big boy races. Unless they don't like sharing the same badge as the small fry.

 

[sundaydriving]

Regardless of the why if the player received the award the he met the criteria of the contest which was in place prior to the events start he deserves the recognition that comes with meeting such criteria and as a player or a person does not deserve to have his accomplishment brought down or questioned by an elitist that thinks another elitist deserved the spot instead.

I have little to no tolerance for anyone that acts as an elitist, thinks they are better than someone else or that belittles or acts condescending towards others because they think others are below them.

I have to agree. Those who say they don't deserve it are misunderstanding what DR S is and how its awarded.

 

[Venster]

I don’t understand the complaints either why some or so many have DRS. If they achieved the prerequisite they deserve it just as much as any of the fast guys.

 

[UnkaD]

I'm stuck in this middle ground between both views. I understand the concern some have of lower teir drivers having the S rating when seen in context of what it represented before. Maybe it could have been a third badge that sits beside the player's actual DR rating?

But in the end the players are in the top rankings of their respective groups, however small those groups are. That's what the the S rating is for now, and we just have to accept that. In the end we all know who is seriously fast when looking at the big picture.

 

[ASH32]

Thinking about it the lower DR drivers might not like being suddenly being S rated either, especially if you race the dailies because the players you'll race will assume you are better than them (even when you are not) and likely try to ram you off (will be worse the lower down you go I'd imagine) and/or they'll think you are a cheater or it's unfair they have to race you and they will then give you abuse for it.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I understand the concern some have of lower teir drivers having the S rating when seen in context of what it represented before. Maybe it could have been a third badge that sits beside the player's actual DR rating?

Pd could easily designate what a players actual DR ranking is by doing the same thing that Racing orgs do to make it easy to distinguish the different racing classes on track at the same time and that would be to assign each DR class a color that the "S" would be displayed as that color clearly still designating the drivers actual and original DR ranking.

Solutions to issues such as this are easy to overcome actually.

 

[Tidgney]

I was not fully aware of why the S rating was taken away, but understand that you may have gotten information that others didn't have access to. We can disagree here, but I really don't see this causing any difference to the championship at all, so don't really understand your concern. Additionally, it's only temporary, so after a few months, it doesn't matter at all.

I believe you mentioned it yourself, that it would be a good strategy to not enter right away to determine the best choice for the Manufacturer championship after seeing what others chose. Since only season 3 matters. Anyone that read the prerequisites shouldn't have been surprised in the slightest that S rating would not be that difficult to achieve. What is surprising is that more top drivers didn't use that strategy and quite possibly will lose out on their opportunity to make it past season 3 through no fault other than their own.

O ye for sure it won't make a difference in the championship at all, it's more what it represents is my worry/concern. To me 'S' should mean superstar if that's what they are after, and I see a superstar as being the best of the best. As I say even if I was E, F, G, Z or even not playing this game I'd like to see from an outside perspective that the S drivers really are the best in the game. I know it's easy for me to say because I'm one of the quick ones in GT Sport, but even if I look at this from a different perspective. Project Cars 2 licence I'm not S nor am I above 2000 rating so I don't expect to get that or be apart of a championship that requires that, but if I suddenly start watching a race or suddenly competing I'd like to know that, that S driver that joins the lobby is someone or something I can aspire to, to be as fast as. Similar in iRacing (With their system) or anywhere else. Just seems weird to have as I put in my example a driver with DR of 3,000 with S then thousands upon thousands of drivers with higher DR not S.

O for sure that's a brilliant strategy and if I wasn't sure of my manufacturer I would have waited, done the table I did in the other thread and just picked a manufacturer I know would make it. Most people will have picked already though because the rules weren't 100% clear, everyone knows now so I expect that strategy next year, plus I think Nissan helped sway a few decisions !

I'm not saying you have to agree either, it's good people are talking about it, means decent opinions can be spread and maybe PD will read this thread and be like, 'We didn't see it from any of these perspectives'.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Just seems weird to have as I put in my example a driver with DR of 3,000 with S then thousands upon thousands of drivers with higher DR not S.

The way I am seeing this is at the current time the "S" actually has absolutely nothing to do with DR ranking or speed or lap times but that a driver that has such an "S" has met the criteria placed within the Championship to be eligible to enter a top 24 star race.

In reality such a racer will not be allowed into the race so no damage no foul it will be the fastest racers in the top 24.

It seems your problem is you feel it 'cheapens" the value of the S ranking above your name when in all reality it means you are one of the few that met the Championships criteria to receive the designation.

Apparently you are having a hard time knowing that a lower level player also met the criteria for some reason so rather than congratulate the guy for his accomplishment you complain he does not deserve it because HE is not "one of the quick ones" like you!

His DR had absolutely nothing with why he qualified for the reward the same as those with the higher DR their DR did not have anything to do with why they failed to qualify. The rules were the same for everyone that entered and he fully deserves the reward as being one of the top racers that entered FROM HIS COUNTRY.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

For me, the S is another label akin to DR and SR. It's an imperfect guide on quantifying a driver's skill and reputation. Ultimately, we have control of that by whatever we do on the track. Over time, the better drivers will find a way to distinguish themselves regardless of status.

 

[Tidgney]

It seems your problem is you feel it 'cheapens" the value of the S ranking above your name when in all reality it means you are one of the few that met the Championships criteria to receive the designation.

Apparently you are having a hard time knowing that a lower level player also met the criteria for some reason so rather than congratulate the guy for his accomplishment you complain he does not deserve it because HE is not "one of the quick ones" like you!

His DR had absolutely nothing with why he qualified for the reward the same as those with the higher DR their DR did not have anything to do with why they failed to qualify. The rules were the same for everyone that entered and he fully deserves the reward as being one of the top racers that entered FROM HIS COUNTRY.

If you say so... You've obviously not read any of my posts or literally most things I (or others) have said... I have no problem with anyone who claims it that has met the prerequisites as that's the rules as I've said prior... I have a problem with it's meaning and as I said in my post.... if I wasn't playing or if I was ranked DR Z or whatever I don't see how it's even reasonable to give that person S compared to others, literally gave examples of other games that I don't play but watch and it's the same principle. If you feel that's some kind of attack maybe rethink how you read things because I'm not attacking anyone... What I'm actually saying is I disagree with the prerequisites and the actual meaning of S...

 

[bloodyboyblue]

In the Daily Races at least the S Rank means “I’m one of the minority of players who actually do the FIA races” since apparently most people don’t think it’s worth their time to do them. I only saw one other S rank and I was doing Race C all afternoon (to be fair, I was only doing it to regain my lost DR from trying Race B, still only got back to 89, so I only actually raced against top tier opponents once, but almost no one I know/on my friends list is participating in the FIA races, nor are most of the rest of the semi-and-finalists in the Canadian championships)

The FIA Championship kind of loses its significance if only a few thousand players out of the few million who own the game participate in it.

 

[Matty28]

Would you describe someone who is 10 seconds off the pace as "players who exhibit superior technique and sportsmanship, that will be revered by all players"? That is what S rank is supposed to mean. It's not elitism to want a ranking system that makes sense. I don't know why anyone at any level would not want that. If I was that guy who is 3000 DR I wouldn't apply for the S rank.

What they should have done imo is not replace DR with an S but simply put a star next to your name meaning you have met the requirements and that's all it means. If people have met the requirements there's no problem even if they're the slowest guy on the game - it's the fact they're labelled as the fastest guys on the game and it doesn't make sense.

The S rank as it stands doesn't really tell you anything of the drivers ability, so what is it doing in the DR section? If they want an S rank to split the 50k guys from the 75k guys then just give S rank to people with 65k DR or more.

 

[Auditore]

I can see both sides and I can see where PD has to tread carefully to not alienate the majority of the fan base that is not the elite top of the heap drivers that actually stand to gain something from this championship.
So PD throws out a few early bones to make the lower ranked players feel like this championship is for them as well.Pd will not be making games and selling them long without the numbers of players that make up the 99% that will never see a benefit from a FIA championship!

I can see more Championships popping up next year,remember the Poliphony Digital Cup right before launch?It's the perfect way to appeal to the casuals make Cups that the "nobodies" can play with and the winner could get some kind of prize that could help them at the FIA Cup(i don't know what that prize would be)

 

[Pfei]

In the Daily Races at least the S Rank means “I’m one of the minority of players who actually do the FIA races” since apparently most people don’t think it’s worth their time to do them. I only saw one other S rank and I was doing Race C all afternoon (to be fair, I was only doing it to regain my lost DR from trying Race B, still only got back to 89, so I only actually raced against top tier opponents once, but almost no one I know/on my friends list is participating in the FIA races, nor are most of the rest of the semi-and-finalists in the Canadian championships)

The FIA Championship kind of loses its significance if only a few thousand players out of the few million who own the game participate in it.

I have also noticed this. Despite my torrid performance for Subaru in the Americas, driving well below my "normal" level, I was still 17th for the marque and only a few hundred points from top 10, and hence, the S. I am also #1 in my state (Nevada), but apparently the only one? I find it hard to believe I am the only person with Nevada residence competing in this...

I am not in disagreement with the way it's set up, but it probably would have been better and less confusing to have a badge along with your normal DR. Like a blue wreath around the letter for a Nations star and a red wreath around the letter for a Manufacturer star, and maybe a gold wreath for those who are stars in both. That way we could more easily identify who is a star because they are genuinely fast and others who are stars because they best represent their brand, however easy that might be due to low player count.

 

[Tidgney]

I am not in disagreement with the way it's set up, but it probably would have been better and less confusing to have a badge along with your normal DR. Like a blue wreath around the letter for a Nations star and a red wreath around the letter for a Manufacturer star, and maybe a gold wreath for those who are stars in both. That way we could more easily identify who is a star because they are genuinely fast and others who are stars because they best represent their brand, however easy that might be due to low player count.

Wow I actually really like that idea