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[VrapPlus]

The night started off promising with a 4th place finish in manufactures for the first race, I decided that it was not enough and queued up for the following race. What transpired afterwards was a chain of mediocre results, poor qualifying led to poor races which led to poor tire management. I got increasingly more frustrated as the night went on. Then on the second to last race I ran into a pair of other mustang drivers that ended up thrashing the field. I told myself that I need to get my head in the game. I queued up for 1 last race, went into qualifying motivated, ended up qualifying 1st with a time of 2:04.6, after the first stint I found myself in the lead by 4 seconds, that wouldn’t last though as the driver in the scirocco overcut my pitstop and ended up having much better tire life towards the end of the race, he overtook took me for a well deserved win, and I finished second. All in all this round has showed me I need to be better at managing tires, and that there is still a lot of room for speed with the mustang.

I have to vent. I prop this game up to all my friends and whoever will listen. That changed as of a minute ago.

Tonight was ridiculous in every way. I read about the horror of the penalty system and shrugged it off because it never hit home to me personally. Tonight all that changed. I started as a C driver with an almost perfect SR rating S for as long as I’ve been playing GTS. After NOT hitting a soul tonight and absorbing penalty after penalty, with nary a soul around, I’m in last place, race after race. It’s as if I’m on some kind of naughty list. No clue… I had people around me scratching their heads saying what????

Here’s my take away after 4 months: I trusted BOP would even the score in that they restrict us from making modification per our preferred style. That is a load of ____! Mitsubishi is by far NOT equal to the others. Nor was Ferrari last year. Oh but PD has the best and brightest test driving…wow...I am curious what these dudes are pulling in a year. You win PD, the jokes on me for picking Mitsu. My fault and I’m certain Mitsubishi Corp. is happy too! I should be a lemming and just go with the heard right? Pick Porsche or Ford or whatever the top 10 are picking. Total joke.

The other is this ridiculous penalty system. NOT the way IMSA or any other racing league (including FIA) operates. Who are these “stewards” you employ? They suck

Why is it F1 by Codemasters doesn’t have the same penalty system?

I’m absolutely disenfranchised now that I am a D, and for no apparent reason. It takes far too much of my time to graduate to a C so, because I am gainfully employed and have little time for folly, I believe this is it for me.

If I were CEO of the PD operation, I’d demand the crew fix the penalty system and don’t rest until it’s done…period. So frustrated right now I cannot describe.


You know what, I need to follow this up with a thought. In an article I read recently, it was mentioned that the reason tuning was taken away was directly related to the fact that the younger generation has no earthly clue how an LSD functions or Down Force, or any other mechanical characteristic of a RACE car. So are we raising idiots? Shouldn’t they have a great forum to learn? And thereby create smarter people?

PD, give back the ability to adjust our tuning, leave the BOP for the ignorant who want to remain ignorant and lose as a result. That is only fair. Plus its realistic right?

I ran a race with an evo that was leagues faster than anyone else in the lobby, low 2:04 quali times in an A+ lobby, I wouldn’t get down dude, the best way to get cleaner races is to raise your DR and SR, honestly FIA races are probably the worst place to do that, unless you’re already in the Bs or higher.

 

[kjeldsen]

*EDIT*

 

[Dogwolf77]

The night started off promising with a 4th place finish in manufactures for the first race, I decided that it was not enough and queued up for the following race. What transpired afterwards was a chain of mediocre results, poor qualifying led to poor races which led to poor tire management. I got increasingly more frustrated as the night went on. Then on the second to last race I ran into a pair of other mustang drivers that ended up thrashing the field. I told myself that I need to get my head in the game. I queued up for 1 last race, went into qualifying motivated, ended up qualifying 1st with a time of 2:04.6, after the first stint I found myself in the lead by 4 seconds, that wouldn’t last though as the driver in the scirocco overcut my pitstop and ended up having much better tire life towards the end of the race, he overtook took me for a well deserved win, and I finished second. All in all this round has showed me I need to be better at managing tires, and that there is still a lot of room for speed with the mustang.



I ran a race with an evo that was leagues faster than anyone else in the lobby, low 2:04 quali times in an A+ lobby, I wouldn’t get down dude, the best way to get cleaner races is to raise your DR and SR, honestly FIA races are probably the worst place to do that, unless you’re already in the Bs or higher.

Thank you! I needed to hear that. I'll stick to the daily races

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Let me just say that if you don't want your patience tested to the very limit, avoid Subaru at all costs.

I got literally pushed around at Nurburgring. Could not pass someone clearly slower thanks to no power, got punted at the chicane, bumped into the grass and nearly spun, punted another time, ran off the track and limped home the last lap because fuel mileage is yet another weakness of the WRX. This may surprise people but I have limits on what I will tolerate from other drivers and that first race crossed the line. When I went in for my second attempt, I pretty much told the room to back off or I was going to take the gloves off.

Thankfully, second time around was back to normal. I did botch T1 during my second flier so I could've finished better. Had to take the points since I realized there were way too many drivers with cars that could no stop and I had trouble passing them anyways.



Nations was a surprise borefest. I did switch driver views mid-race since the Tesla was far easier to drive in hood view. Found out afterwards that I was way too conservative on the first part of the chicane.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

So here are this week's race video's from the FIA races on Wednesday and today Saturday.

Round 5: Manufactures Cup:

This was Asuka's comeback strike starting 20th and finishing 5th.





Round 5: Nations Cup:

Should have been victory but alas was not to be!





Round 6: Manufacturers Cup:

Mixed lobby of DR D/A so this helped me get some reasonable points so I decided to accept the result
from my first attempt here.





Round 6: Nations Cup:

A very questionable lap 1 incident is all I will say in regard to the Tesla race but I am not sure if it was intentional
or not, either way I got the outcome I wanted for the race so it didn't phase me too much.





At least I got most of my lost DR back so all good. 👍

 

[vvise]

I had a great race and managed to get the Jag into 4th for 1454pts. Witnessed some absolute chaos though.



Ironically I state an objective for the race before it starts and it fails.

 

[VrapPlus]

I had a great race and managed to get the Jag into 4th for 1454pts. Witnessed some absolute chaos though.



Ironically I state an objective for the race before it starts and it fails.

I could hear him yell YEET .

 

[Keith2324]

I had a great race and managed to get the Jag into 4th for 1454pts. Witnessed some absolute chaos though.



Ironically I state an objective for the race before it starts and it fails.

Someone was clearly off of their meds!

 

[Famine]

Watching all of these FIA races back reconfirms my opinion - the Atenza Gr.4 needs a tyre wear boost.

I'm good at preserving tyres, but there's no way I was making the front mediums last for seven laps like the Corvette in my race, or even five/six laps like I'm seeing as the norm elsewhere. In the second race I had yesterday - with @watto79 - I set it up with a mixed RH front, RM rear set to start with and ran to the end of lap 8 and, while I'll acknowledge I was chasing down the cars in front on my final RM/RM stint, they were gone by the end, and that was three laps on low fuel loads.

The Atenza Gr.4 has a couple of advantages when it comes to corner exit traction and fuel use (I've not pitted for fuel since June), but it's already not quick enough and just destroys the front tyres on long races, making it hopelessly uncompetitive.

 

[Winnie847]

Watching all of these FIA races back reconfirms my opinion - the Atenza Gr.4 needs a tyre wear boost.

I'm good at preserving tyres, but there's no way I was making the front mediums last for seven laps like the Corvette in my race, or even five/six laps like I'm seeing as the norm elsewhere. In the second race I had yesterday - with @watto79 - I set it up with a mixed RH front, RM rear set to start with and ran to the end of lap 8 and, while I'll acknowledge I was chasing down the cars in front on my final RM/RM stint, they were gone by the end, and that was three laps on low fuel loads.

The Atenza Gr.4 has a couple of advantages when it comes to corner exit traction and fuel use (I've not pitted for fuel since June), but it's already not quick enough and just destroys the front tyres on long races, making it hopelessly uncompetitive.

I'm in the same boat. Signed with Mazda due to my love for the Gr.3 and I figured I'd just deal with the Gr.4 and "make it work." Haha, not only do I suck at Gr.4 in general but I particularly suck at AWD cars, so that on top of the horrendous tire wear has pretty much sealed the deal that I simply cannot keep up with most of the field in the higher lobbies. Yesterday I did the same, RH on the front and RM on the back for the first stint. For the first slot I tried using those tires for 7 laps before pitting for mediums, but I was losing too much time on laps 7 and 11 no matter the compound. For the following races I went with RH/RM, then pitted after lap 6 for all RH and it seemed to work better for me. I was still maintaining a decent pace for 6 laps, and was gaining on guys in the final 2 laps using the hards. This was good enough for top 5 in the lobbies I was in, but it's worth mentioning that I was in high DR.B/low DR.A lobbies since I've been trying to level up my 2nd account.

 

[MrBrunoA]

Someone was clearly off of their meds!

He's been off his meds for at least a year.

 

[mclarenLB]

Watching all of these FIA races back reconfirms my opinion - the Atenza Gr.4 needs a tyre wear boost.

I'm good at preserving tyres, but there's no way I was making the front mediums last for seven laps like the Corvette in my race, or even five/six laps like I'm seeing as the norm elsewhere. In the second race I had yesterday - with @watto79 - I set it up with a mixed RH front, RM rear set to start with and ran to the end of lap 8 and, while I'll acknowledge I was chasing down the cars in front on my final RM/RM stint, they were gone by the end, and that was three laps on low fuel loads.

The Atenza Gr.4 has a couple of advantages when it comes to corner exit traction and fuel use (I've not pitted for fuel since June), but it's already not quick enough and just destroys the front tyres on long races, making it hopelessly uncompetitive.

You just described half of the Group 4 class, and basically every N class... aaaand Group 1... Its impossible to have a fair race with car variety in classes which have cars of vastly different drivetrains with these silly overly inflated tyre wear multipliers, this issue has plagued the 'fairness' of the live events since the Nurburgring World Tour too. Could really do with sorting out.

 

[Famine]

You just described half of the Group 4 class

I see how it can affect some of the other 4WD cars (and FF, of course) - on my RH/RM mix I flew past a Huracan who was all over the place at the end of his fifth RM/RM lap - but generally the Mazda is slower than any of them in a straight line (in my experience the Huracan, WRX and Evo are all obviously quicker) and it was just impossible for me to even consider a fifth lap, and I'm good with tyres and fuel.

The Corvette in my race came in on lap seven with about 90% gone on the front left and 85% on the front right, but still able to lap within a couple of seconds of his best.

Its impossible to have a fair race with car variety in classes which have cars of vastly different drivetrains with these silly overly inflated tyre wear multipliers, this issue has plagued the 'fairness' of the live events since the Nurburgring World Tour too. Could really do with sorting out.

The problem as I see it is that BOP is per-lap pace* and not per-race. BOP should be aiming to make the average driver reach the end of the race on the same few yards of race track no matter what car they're in or what the track is. If that means making cars with huge tyre wear and fuel use whole seconds of a lap faster, to offset the extra pit stop, that should be the case.

A single set of power and weight calculations for every race of any length at any track doesn't cut it, and when you get five races in a season to score your Gr.4 points they need to be tracks that suit your car over a race distance that gives you no pit stop disadvantage or you're screwed. It should be that your car is BOPped for that race - just as they are in WEC.

It's not exactly easy to do that. You need data points for every track and every car, but then we have 6.75 million racing drivers...


*Although don't ask me what lap of what track the Atenza Gr.4 is optimised to... No idea.

 

[Sander 001]

I had a great race and managed to get the Jag into 4th for 1454pts. Witnessed some absolute chaos though.



Ironically I state an objective for the race before it starts and it fails.

I need a shower after witnessing such a shameful display

 

[GT_Alex74]

I'm gonna say it : the Mazda is by far the worst Gr.4 right now. It has one of the lowest top speeds, average acceleration, the power curve and gearbox make it so that you have to burn an awful lot of fuel, the front end is an anvil and you have to kill the front tyres to get it pointed so that you can get on power soon enough to get the most of its only advantage (very good slow corner exits). Which is now useless since Gr.4 races now allow mediums / softs so pretty much every other cars can power out as soon.

The only way to somewhat balance Gr.4 as it is right now is to never use more than x1 fuel and tyre wear ever again.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

I'm gonna say it : the Mazda is by far the worst Gr.4 right now. It has one of the lowest top speeds, average acceleration, the power curve and gearbox make it so that you have to burn an awful lot of fuel, the front end is an anvil and you have to kill the front tyres to get it pointed so that you can get on power soon enough to get the most of its only advantage (very good slow corner exits). Which is now useless since Gr.4 races now allow mediums / softs so pretty much every other cars can power out as soon.

The only way to somewhat balance Gr.4 as it is right now is to never use more than x1 fuel and tyre wear ever again.

I had a Madza in front of me yesterday and even I thought it was rather slow. Still had trouble passing it with Rexy because I had to fuel save.

Allowing medium and soft tires blunts the main advantage of all the AWD cars and low fuel loads adds salt to the wound. The FF cars at least have power to get good results at fast tracks. The 4C, Toyota 86 and Megane will win out at handling tracks because of much better tire wear. Where is someone supposed to get good points with AWD cars?

Seeing how zero BOP changes happened in the last major update, it tells me that either PD is completely unaware the imbalance (very unlikely) or they are aware but the solution may require a complete overhaul that will take time to develop.

 

[RZQSPEED]

I'm gonna say it : the Mazda is by far the worst Gr.4 right now. It has one of the lowest top speeds, average acceleration, the power curve and gearbox make it so that you have to burn an awful lot of fuel, the front end is an anvil and you have to kill the front tyres to get it pointed so that you can get on power soon enough to get the most of its only advantage (very good slow corner exits). Which is now useless since Gr.4 races now allow mediums / softs so pretty much every other cars can power out as soon.

The only way to somewhat balance Gr.4 as it is right now is to never use more than x1 fuel and tyre wear ever again.

Try telling that to Akagi_1942mi and TvDude5!

 

[KONTRAone]

So im trying to get into the habbit of uploading or streaming my FIA races because my yt page is seriously lacking content, and i thought last night's battle with @TRC_Stagger was a good place to start.
My first attempt at this manufacturer's round started with a poor qualifying effort, and my lack of tire management meant an even worse result... I decided that my best shot was to qualify well, sit tight and save my tires for a charge at the very end.
My second attempt at qualifying was not much better, but luckily everyone else struggled enough to allow me to sneak into 2nd.
The race starts and I do my best to stay close to Stagger in first, trying to manage the pace and tires just as he was doing up front. At the end of lap 5 we both pull in and out of the pits a few tenths apart, now split by two cars on different strategies...
Traffic was helpful though and i managed to get around quickly, but in the process of catching back up i used up that extra rubber that i needed for the final charge lol
So no win this time, but i had a blast regardless and im happy with the result. That win put stagger in the lead for the cup so im sure he was happy with it too lol...
Thanks to everyone involved for a clean and fun race!

Allowing medium and soft tires blunts the main advantage of all the AWD cars and low fuel loads adds salt to the wound. The FF cars at least have power to get good results at fast tracks. The 4C, Toyota 86 and Megane will win out at handling tracks because of much better tire wear. Where is someone supposed to get good points with AWD cars?

I totally agree with you man. The AWD cars definitely need a little boost of some kind... I ran with Subaru many many seasons ago and the only track that i managed to do well in with gr.4 car was tsukuba lol so i guess hairpins are the only thing they excel at.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

Try telling that to Akagi_1942mi and TvDude5!

Glad you mentioned TvDude5, he's a good friend of mine and seems to be an incredible driver. Had a race recently at LaSarthe and he
beat us on Racing Mediums when we were on soft tyres.

 

[LoneWolf696]

I'm gonna say it : the Mazda is by far the worst Gr.4 right now. It has one of the lowest top speeds, average acceleration, the power curve and gearbox make it so that you have to burn an awful lot of fuel, the front end is an anvil and you have to kill the front tyres to get it pointed so that you can get on power soon enough to get the most of its only advantage (very good slow corner exits). Which is now useless since Gr.4 races now allow mediums / softs so pretty much every other cars can power out as soon.

The only way to somewhat balance Gr.4 as it is right now is to never use more than x1 fuel and tyre wear ever again.

Other than one race where I got stuck at the back with poor drivers, I’ve yet to have a result worse than 6th with either Atenza (my best being a clean sweep victory at Fuji last Wednesday). And I don’t think I’ve ever had to refuel, but that might just be me as a driver.

Try telling that to Akagi_1942mi and TvDude5!

Nice to get a little recognition for performing well with a “weaker” manufacturer (I’m TvDude5 BTW). Thank you!

 

[GT_Alex74]

The refueling is just not a parameter for this season, but even during the previous seasons, the Tokyo South Gr.3 race, the Atenza was the only car that needed a refuel, because 6th is useless and you get stuck at max RPM in 5th in order to gain a few km/h (and still get a horrible top speed). For the 2018 official season, I snatched some top split podiums, but basically the only way to have good races was to stay in someone's slipstream the whole race to save fuel, otherwise you would either lose several positions in the pits trying to keep up the pace, or lose half a second to a fulls econd per lap trying to shortshift (the power curve of the Atenza is very peaky so you lose a lot of power doing that, compared to other cars with a flat power curve for like 1k or 2k RPM). But other than that, the Gr.3 is a really decent car, with great aero and braking. The Gr.4 has similar drawbacks, but without the agility. In EU top splits right now I'd just get annihilated with it, the car can get a hotlap on some tracks but that's the end of it. I went into a practice lobby for Alsace II, saw the Porsches and Toyotas puking out fast laps like there was no tomorrow, and here with the Mazda I had terminal understeer on lap 3 already, while already not being able to go as fast on new tyres. Meanwhile I've been sitting on EU top 10 in Nations for the whole current season so far, and I hava driven every Gr.4 cars on that track (before the physics patches that is, but my experience there is still valid).

The mazda is not the only bad car in Gr.4, but I'll reaffirm firmly it is currently the worst, with the Peugeot probably not far off.

 

[LoneWolf696]

The refueling is just not a parameter for this season, but even during the previous seasons, the Tokyo South Gr.3 race, the Atenza was the only car that needed a refuel, because 6th is useless and you get stuck at max RPM in 5th in order to gain a few km/h (and still get a horrible top speed). For the 2018 official season, I snatched some top split podiums, but basically the only way to have good races was to stay in someone's slipstream the whole race to save fuel, otherwise you would either lose several positions in the pits trying to keep up the pace, or lose half a second to a fulls econd per lap trying to shortshift (the power curve of the Atenza is very peaky so you lose a lot of power doing that, compared to other cars with a flat power curve for like 1k or 2k RPM). But other than that, the Gr.3 is a really decent car, with great aero and braking. The Gr.4 has similar drawbacks, but without the agility. In EU top splits right now I'd just get annihilated with it, the car can get a hotlap on some tracks but that's the end of it. I went into a practice lobby for Alsace II, saw the Porsches and Toyotas puking out fast laps like there was no tomorrow, and here with the Mazda I had terminal understeer on lap 3 already, while already not being able to go as fast on new tyres. Meanwhile I've been sitting on EU top 10 in Nations for the whole current season so far, and I hava driven every Gr.4 cars on that track (before the physics patches that is, but my experience there is still valid).

The mazda is not the only bad car in Gr.4, but I'll reaffirm firmly it is currently the worst, with the Peugeot probably not far off.

Guess I’m just a good driver since I’ve made the “worst” Gr. 4 car work fairly well for me. Every time I’ve qualified towards the front (which has been all but one race) that’s where I normally am when the checkers fly, but that’s just my experience.

 

[Keith2324]

The mazda is not the only bad car in Gr.4, but I'll reaffirm firmly it is currently the worst, with the Peugeot probably not far off.[/QUOTE]


Nissan, Nissan, Nissan!

 

[MrCooper]

Yeah, Tokyo weak slipstream, thanks but no thanks. I don't want to get a DR reset.

Wasn't that bad for me. Slipstream only seemed to gain a few tenths even on the long full throttle after the hairpin; not enough by itself for overtaking. And even though somebody bumped me from behind there, my SR went up to 99 from 95. Maybe I was lucky...

After countless laps and several days practicing for the Tesla race, I managed to jump the start. Dropped from 9th to 19th on the start grid ><

Recovered to finish 8th, but more impressive (and the reason i didn't try again) is that I kept my SR 99. I was sure that was gonna get reset.

Almost exactly the same for me, except I only practiced for about an hour on the same day and qualified 8th.

 

[VrapPlus]

I have a feeling brands hatch is going to be absolute carnage if your rhythm is thrown off for a split second.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

I have a feeling brands hatch is going to be absolute carnage if your rhythm is thrown off for a split second.

Brands Hatch is where I started to learn how to be a better driver, I have a lot of confidence for the race but I suspect as you
say it will be carnage if you loose your concentration or get taken out.

Think the Mustang will be okay around there but guess I need to get some practice in soon.

 

[VrapPlus]

Brands Hatch is where I started to learn how to be a better driver, I have a lot of confidence for the race but I suspect as you
say it will be carnage if you loose your concentration or get taken out.

Think the Mustang will be okay around there but guess I need to get some practice in soon.

I drive the mustang as well, I did a lobby run yesterday and medium tires are definitely not the way to go, around lap 6/7 you’re on boat mode and the undrsteer is ridiculous, I think I might need to go with a hard/mediumcombo for the race.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

I drive the mustang as well, I did a lobby run yesterday and medium tires are definitely not the way to go, around lap 6/7 you’re on boat mode and the undrsteer is ridiculous, I think I might need to go with a hard/mediumcombo for the race.

That's what I was actually thinking but I don't know if I should go medium's first to get them out of the way or go for hard > medium, I suppose it depends what I'm racing against and where I qualify.

 

[kjeldsen]

*EDIT*

 

[ScottPuss20]

That's what I was actually thinking but I don't know if I should go medium's first to get them out of the way or go for hard > medium, I suppose it depends what I'm racing against and where I qualify.

Do you have to use both compounds in the race? Or is that just a potential strategy choice?