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Had been looking forward to the Nations race all week, and it did not disappoint, although my first attempt left a lot to be desired. The competition in the first time slot was intense; every top lap I ran was outdone many times over (7 to be exact), and the tire wear's effect on the Audi R18 resulted in several misjudged corners and one fatal spin. The Audi just gets too much power in second gear, and immediately lights up the rear tires, leaving no rubber left midway through the race. From 7th I finished a disappointing 11th. Not content with that, I tried in the next time slot and qualified on pole, many times over. But the second placed Audi snuck past on lap 2; that was fine, I'd use them to slipstream and gain pole back later. Except I didn't, they out did me at every turn, and managed to keep the power on without spinning the wheels. I was left skipping second gear and going for third to keep the car on the track. But being part of a 1-2 finish was still a victory in itself.

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Nations race was quite a dull affair. I began around 7th but had to pit the McLaren for fuel, and ended up around 11th, until a BMW ahead of me let me through. That was the only overtake for the race. Some more fuel would be nice next time ;P

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My round up for the night. Thank you all that turned up to my stream, was a bit all over the place tbh but always having a good time :D





As a lot of the Oceania top drivers will be away this Wednesday as they fly to New York for the next world tour. I'm taking suggestions as to what GR.3 car to drive around Suzuka. At this stage thinking Viper for a bit of fun, but certainly open to other suggestions.
 
Missed the races, due to being in lovely Dubbo, for my wife's 30th HS reunion.
Can't wait to steer the Atenza around Suzuka. It's been exceptional at Barcelona. So, should fair well with overall lap consistency.
Brands might not be too bad in the Atenza either. Left side tyres yeah, but the track is fast.
 
After all the massive disappointments of the past few races, I was going to skip Alsace. There was nothing here for the RCZ.

But I wanted to try it anyways. I finished a lowly 14th in the first slot but it was kind of a fun race because no expectations were on the line. After watching how the second slot went, I realized my qualifying time was not terrible. Sure, let's give the final room a go.

And I put the Group 4 RCZ on the pole. Yes, you read that right. The tire-shredding torque-steering fuel-sipping meme machine was starting P1 at a track totally unsuited for it with a driver with maybe an hour or two of practice, max.

I wasn't ready for this!

 
After all the massive disappointments of the past few races, I was going to skip Alsace. There was nothing here for the RCZ.

But I wanted to try it anyways. I finished a lowly 14th in the first slot but it was kind of a fun race because no expectations were on the line. After watching how the second slot went, I realized my qualifying time was not terrible. Sure, let's give the final room a go.

And I put the Group 4 RCZ on the pole. Yes, you read that right. The tire-shredding torque-steering fuel-sipping meme machine was starting P1 at a track totally unsuited for it with a driver with maybe an hour or two of practice, max.

I wasn't ready for this!


This is a sign that the pug train is going to role into world finals. That was incredible to watch.
 
I brought my Gr4 NSX to Alsace with high expectations and it didn't disappoint. First slot, 2nd split. Got pole with 2:00.5, over 0.5 clear of the field. After holding off some pressure from the WRX in 2nd (who ended up running out of fuel), I pulled away for yet another win this season, 14:24.XX total time. 2200 pts.

 
Nation: Interlagos Gr.1
For the race I decided to pick the Toyota TS030 because it seemed to be the best on tyres.
The qualifying wasn't too good. I obtained just the 11th place, but the guys ahead of me were really close each other.

Race: It was simply a "boring" race. Nothing is happen to me...I managed to go up to 6th (or maybe 5th) thanks to some penalties, dive bomb, and the classic spin due to the grass. I was just trying to mantain my gap with the spaniard behind me.
After the race I analysed my tyre wear comparing it with the top 3. And I noticed that their front tyres was in much better condition than mine.
So I have to improve this aspect of my driving.
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Nations: Pretty good result for my first Gr.1 online race, could have done better if I didn't accidentally press SHARE button while attempting to pit in my second run (I ended up not pitting, and that's a good thing considering I use a TS030). Considering the race took place during Indonesia's independence day, I made a fitting livery, slightly based on Toyota Team Indonesia's cars in local racing series (although rushed). This race also makes me want to ask about yellow flag enforcement - I got passed under yellows at one point.
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Manufacturers: Meh, another near-last place finishes. Looks like Alsace isn't type of my track.
 
I really like how in the Manufacturers Series races, the field of cars is very diverse, and I think that's because at the start of the season, you pick an automaker and a car for each featured class (being Gr.4 and Gr.3), and then you can't change it until the season ends. I think the Nations Cup would benefit from something similar, where you pick a car from each class that will be in the upcoming season. If there are new vehicles added mid-season, you could still drive them in a ranked race with the rotating Daily Races.

More specifically, there could be multiple groups of provided cars for the various featured class, especially if there are more races featuring a class with more specific regulations on eligible vehicles. (See: Daily Races within N300 but limited to provided cars to the late 90s/early 00s JDM cars.) So let's say that in a Nations Cup season (a hypothetical 202X season), there would be two Gr.1 races, but each one has different groups of provided cars: one being more modern LMP1s, and the other being historic Group C cars. So you'd pick one car from each group, in that case, and ultimately go through two selection screens. You'd be selecting cars in the order of the respective races, too.
 
Did I say I don't like fuel-saving races? I really, really don't like fuel-saving races! :banghead: :lol: :lol: I just can't seem to figure them out. Especially in a gas-guzzler like the Mustang.



 
I really like how in the Manufacturers Series races, the field of cars is very diverse, and I think that's because at the start of the season, you pick an automaker and a car for each featured class (being Gr.4 and Gr.3), and then you can't change it until the season ends. I think the Nations Cup would benefit from something similar, where you pick a car from each class that will be in the upcoming season. If there are new vehicles added mid-season, you could still drive them in a ranked race with the rotating Daily Races.

More specifically, there could be multiple groups of provided cars for the various featured class, especially if there are more races featuring a class with more specific regulations on eligible vehicles. (See: Daily Races within N300 but limited to provided cars to the late 90s/early 00s JDM cars.) So let's say that in a Nations Cup season (a hypothetical 202X season), there would be two Gr.1 races, but each one has different groups of provided cars: one being more modern LMP1s, and the other being historic Group C cars. So you'd pick one car from each group, in that case, and ultimately go through two selection screens. You'd be selecting cars in the order of the respective races, too.


Ew, no thanks. I like trying multiple Cars and stick with the one I feel most comfortable. I don't like manufacturers.
 
Ew, no thanks. I like trying multiple Cars and stick with the one I feel most comfortable. I don't like manufacturers.

Yeah but then that means that everyone just sticks with the meta car(s) and it basically turns into a one-make. Also, you could still try out different cars in the Daily Races.
 
Yeah but then that means that everyone just sticks with the meta car(s) and it basically turns into a one-make. Also, you could still try out different cars in the Daily Races.

I don't care about the races turning into one makes if it means I get to drive the car I want to drive.
You can still have your car variety in manufacturers.
I don't run manufacturers specifically because it means I get stuck with two cars for months.
I don't want to have to choose a car for nations and then finding out it sucks for a certain race and not being able to change it. Yes, yes, I could try to work around the car shortcomings. I'd rather just switch the car instead.


Edit: besides, if it did work like you want it, let's say for this last race, everyone who didn't pick one of the 3 or 4 cars that ended up being competitive, they would be effectively screwed. Imagine you picked the alpine
 
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I don't run manufacturers specifically because it means I get stuck with two cars for months.
Same here, if they stopped us from being able to choose what we think will be the best car for each race in Nations, I'd stop taking part, just like I don't take part in Manufacturers. IMO Manufacturers shouldn't affect DR because of the extent to which the car influences the outcome rather than the driver.
 
Funny how it is. That's the exact reason why I like Manu better than Nations.

The process of making a decision on who to sign with, mastering those cars and maximizing their potential/dealing with their limitations is my favorite part of the whole thing.

I think it would be awesome if they added more variety, like NXXX cars to the competing manufacturers and such, but I'm enjoying the current format anyway.
 
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I like being locked into your choice that you made and running the same car with different strengths and weaknesses every race, I just don’t like having to race Gr.3 and Gr.4 every race so that’s why I very rarely race in Manufacturers. If they gave every brand a car in Gr.1,2 and B (even if it was with a corporate partner and not necessarily the same brand so they don’t have to add 20 new cars to each class. Like if you were Mitsu or Renault you’d drive the Nissan Gr.2 or VW and Lambo players would use the Audi, Porsche or Bugatti Gr.1) and two different N-classes it’d be a lot more fun.

I also like that most of the Nations races are one-make, just for the contrast.
 
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While I agree we shouldn't be locked to a car/class in nations, I'm also in favor of more creativity in terms of combinations. Wednesday race is Gr.3 at Suzuka and guess what, we already raced that combo in the first stage. Gr.2 at Fuji? Twice, not counting when it was in daily races (Although my only win this season was there, with a Days of Thunder pass in turn 1 when everybody in front of me crashed, and I went from 6th to 1st :D).

Unfortunately, the combos when broad open become a race of marked cards. N500? X-Bow vs F50 vs 911. N400? count the S-FR Concept. Gr.4 with ridiculous tire wear? Alfas vs Megane vs Toyotas. We don't choose the car that we feel comfortable with, or the ones we like to race, we choose the few cars that can be competitive in an unbalanced combo. Many cars were added to the game and they would never fit in those races, so why keep adding them to a E-Sport driven game? I know, we could always have fun offline (I do, especially at the Nordschleife when the cars are added) but this isn't the mainly revolutionary idea of this title right?

My idea would be similar to what MIE1992 said, thematic races or with selected cars, not necessarily provided. PD already tested this in daily races and it was fun, right? They have the data to decide whether a track is suited to balance the field, and with fewer cars they could created a One Round only BOP. I didn't tested these ideas, but imagine those races:

- Trans-Am Race: Camaro, Mustang Mach 1, GT350, Challenger ; (Future Muscle Cars if added) (At Willow Springs or a future US Track).
- Group C only race.
- Gran Turismo 1 or 2 Japanese car race (I hear Tsukuba? XD).
- TCR: FWD Gr.4 cars (Renault, Scirocco, Audi TT and Peugeot).
- An Italian Gr.3 race at Monza: Alfa Romeo vs Lamborghini vs Ferrari, or ADAC GT Masters, with German Gr.3. Of course it could be American only, British only and also with Gr.4.
- 4x4 Gr.4 Challenge (or maybe Subaru vs Lancer, someone remember TOCA Race Driver? XD) .
- Exotic race with Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston etc, maybe N600 or N700.
- Something like the World Championship 1975 Class GTO from Rfactor: Porsche 930, DeTomasso Pantera, Corvette C3, Ferrari 512BB, plus future cars if added, example Ford Capri, BMW CSL etc.
- Other classic combos using for example the Toyota 2000GT, Jaguar E-Type, Mini Cooper S, Mazda RX500, Ford GT40, or even if provided the Alfa Giulia GTA, Ferrari 250, Jaguar D-Type or Aston Martin 1953 etc.
- Hot Hatch Cup: Focus vs Civic vs Megane vs Golf and so on:
- A Kei Car race, why not? Classic (Sports 800, Honda S800) or modern.
- A Road Car Edition race (Lancer, Alfa, Mazda, Mustang, Corvette, Atenza, Subaru).
- For the Final Round with the Top 16 race, maybe then a provided car with the Gr.X Unicorns, wouldn't it be fun for GT Youtube Channel to stream a race with Ferrari 330 vs XJ13 vs Mark IV vs Cobra Coupe etc in Goodwood, instead of a repetition of other races?
- Of course some rounds with unlimited Gr.3, Gr.4, Gr.2 and Hybrid Gr.1s.

All of these weren't one make races, you could always choose which car you want to drive, feel comfortable etc. Of course, the tires should be chosen accordingly, and it would avoid being boring.

If you want an one make race, there are also the possibilities:
-Renault Megane Trophy (without the nerfed BOP!!)
-Renault RS01 Gr.X Trophy car (I don't remember being used in an official championship yet)
-Porsche 356/A
-Renault 8 Gordini
-Karts
-Super Formula
-Mercedes F1
-Red Bull Junior, or X2019
-F1500
-Zonda R, Vulcan, McLaren P1 GTR

See, it wouldn't remove the possibility of racing what you want, but at least there would be a broader variety of experiences. And I know many of you could create similar unique combos like those.
 
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Bit late with this but anyway entered last slot of both Nations and Manufacturers.
Went in with the Audi R18 '11 for Nations on about 20 mins practice so wasn't expecting much. Quali was ok, was in midpack but race was clean, didn't really gain too much though.


Ended up in top split for manufacturers and then 6 people got dsc'd. Quali lap wasn't the best but a good lap for me wouldn't have made much difference. Race was going ok was in a battle for 8th till I lost my concentration for a split second on the last lap and binned it.
 
I like being locked into your choice that you made and running the same car with different strengths and weaknesses every race, I just don’t like having to race Gr.3 and Gr.4 every race so that’s why I very rarely race in Manufacturers. If they gave every brand a car in Gr.1,2 and B (even if it was with a corporate partner and not necessarily the same brand so they don’t have to add 20 new cars to each class. Like if you were Mitsu or Renault you’d drive the Nissan Gr.2 or VW and Lambo players would use the Audi, Porsche or Bugatti Gr.1) and two different N-classes it’d be a lot more fun.

I also like that most of the Nations races are one-make, just for the contrast.

That's EXACTLY what I'd want, but never realized.
 
While I agree we shouldn't be locked to a car/class in nations, I'm also in favor of more creativity in terms of combinations. Wednesday race is Gr.3 at Suzuka and guess what, we already raced that combo in the first stage. Gr.2 at Fuji? Twice, not counting when it was in daily races (Although my only win this season was there, with a Days of Thunder pass in turn 1 when everybody in front of me crashed, and I went from 6th to 1st :D).

Unfortunately, the combos when broad open become a race of marked cards. N500? X-Bow vs F50 vs 911. N400? count the S-FR Concept. Gr.4 with ridiculous tire wear? Alfas vs Megane vs Toyotas. We don't choose the car that we feel comfortable with, or the ones we like to race, we choose the few cars that can be competitive in an unbalanced combo. Many cars were added to the game and they would never fit in those races, so why keep adding them to a E-Sport driven game? I know, we could always have fun offline (I do, especially at the Nordschleife when the cars are added) but this isn't the mainly revolutionary idea of this title right?

My idea would be similar to what MIE1992 said, thematic races or with selected cars, not necessarily provided. PD already tested this in daily races and it was fun right? They have the data to decide whether a track is suited to balance the field, and with fewer cars they could created a One Round only BOP. I didn't tested these ideas, but imagine those races:

- Trans-Am Race: Camaro, Mustang Mach 1, GT350, Challenger ; (Future Muscle Cars if added) (At Willow Springs or a future US Track).
- Group C only race.
- Gran Turismo 1 or 2 Japanese car race (I hear Tsukuba? XD).
- TCR: FWD Gr.4 cars (Renault, Scirocco, Audi TT and Peugeot).
- An Italian Gr.3 race at Monza: Alfa Romeo vs Lamborghini vs Ferrari, or ADAC GT Masters, with German Gr.3. Of course it could be American only, British only and also with Gr.4.
- 4x4 Gr.4 Challenge (or maybe Subaru vs Lancer, someone remember TOCA Race Driver? XD) .
- Exotic race with Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston etc, maybe N600 or N700.
- Something like the World Championship 1975 Class GTO from Rfactor: Porsche 930, DeTomasso Pantera, Corvette C3, Ferrari 512BB, plus future cars if added, example Ford Capri, BMW CSL etc.
- Other classic combos using for example the Toyota 2000GT, Jaguar E-Type, Mini Cooper S, Mazda RX500, Ford GT40, or even if provided the Alfa Giulia GTA, Ferrari 250, Jaguar D-Type or Aston Martin 1953 etc.
- Hot Hatch Cup: Focus vs Civic vs Megane vs Golf and so on:
- A Kei Car race, why not? Classic (Sports 800, Honda S800) or modern.
- A Road Car Edition race (Lancer, Alfa, Mazda, Mustang, Corvette, Atenza, Subaru).
- For the Final Round with the Top 16 race, maybe then a provided car with the Gr.X Unicorns, wouldn't it be fun for GT Youtube Channel to stream a race with Ferrari 330 vs XJ13 vs Mark IV vs Cobra Coupe etc in Goodwood, instead of a repetition of other races?
- Of course some rounds with unlimited Gr.3, Gr.4, Gr.2 and Hybrid Gr.1s.

All of these weren't one make races, you could always choose which car you want to drive, feel comfortable etc. Of course, the tires should be chosen accordingly, and it would avoid being boring.

If you want a one make race, there is also the possibilities:
-Renault Megane Trophy (without the nerfed BOP!!)
-Renault RS01 Gr.X Trophy car (I don't remember being used in an official championship yet)
-Porsche 356/A
-Renault 8 Gordini
-Karts
-Super Formula
-Mercedes F1
-Red Bull Junior, or X2019
-F1500
-Zonda R, Vulcan, McLaren P1 GTR

See? It wouldn't remove the possibility of racing what you want, but at least there would be a broader variety of experiences. And I know many of you could create similar unique combos like those.

Super Formula OMRs have happened, but for some reason on this season only Toyota engined versions were eligible. Red Bull X and Mercedes F1 OMRs also existed.
 
Super Formula OMRs have happened, but for some reason on this season only Toyota engined versions were eligible. Red Bull X and Mercedes F1 OMRs also existed.

I know, I was only counting the possibilities. ;)
However in the Super Formula races at Autopolis and Barcelona you could race with both Toyota and Honda, they only listed the Toyota in the list probably because of space at the table.
 
Last Saturday, I had entered Round 12, 35 and 15 of the GR Supra GT Cup, Nations Cup, and Manufacturers Series respectively. In these races I had finished 8th, 16th and 4th.


 
I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but the Nations season structure should be this (or close to it):

For every ten races:

1 Gr.1 race
1 N-class race
2 Gr.3 race
1 Gr.4 race
1 Gr.B/Gr.2 race
2 Gr.X race
2 One-make race

Or a similar kind of spread. What's the point in weighing it down with Gr.3 and Gr.4 races, when they're ostensibly one-make races and the classes are frequently represented in daily races and the Manufacturer Series? What's the point in having loads of Gr.X cars and no reason to own or drive them? Add some variety in, it keeps the racing interesting and gives people a chance to races in different classes which will suit different strengths.
 
Problem is, it's always going to be a ONe Make. EVen with N-class. PD may as well restrict the cars. Meaning, no car out of the N class range. No tuning up or down to meet BoP regulations. The way Daily RAce A worked with only PD selectable 1990's JDM cars, worked fine. Same with FF only selections.

PD have the data to see which cars are the META. They've got to be BoP'd better.
As mentioned in one of the above posts, PD aren't taking advantage of the car list.
 
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