FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Cherryturbo]

The points are higher in the races with the better drivers precisely because they're looking for the best drivers to compete in the live events.

The Nations Cup selects the best drivers from each nation (there's a maximum number per nation, which differs in each region) from the best drivers in the region as determined by their scores, and they compete as individuals. The Manufacturer Series selects the best drivers in each region from each manufacturer, and they compete as a team.

There'd be little point giving the same score for each race regardless of driver rating, because that wouldn't help find the best drivers - you'd end up with incompetent makeweights, and no incentive for the actual best drivers to take part and invest time in it if some random at DR D got the nod over them because he'd beaten all the other DR Ds in five out of ten races.

If you want to be one of the best drivers, you need to have one of the best DR scores first, and then beat the other best drivers by racing against them. Lesser-skilled 100m runners aren't going to the Olympics if they beat a bunch of schoolkids in 17 seconds.

The 'team' aspect comes from the fact that if someone from your nation or your manufacturer does well in the season, or at a live event, you get bonus credits and mileage points to share in their success.

Thank you for the reply.

My posting was not meant to be from the viewpoint of a “whiney noob”. Apologies to all if that is how it appeared.
I did say in my post that there has to be some disparity in the points gained by level. What I was trying to highlight was that as a lesser skilled driver I feel that my contributions to these events as they stand are minimal at best.
As I said, I am under no illusion as to my skill standing both current and potential. I will never be one of the best drivers. What I want to be is simply a fair opponent, competent driver and valued contributor to events. I agree that only the best should appear at live events to showcase the game.

 

[Pigems]

Thank you for the reply.

My posting was not meant to be from the viewpoint of a “whiney noob”. Apologies to all if that is how it appeared.
I did say in my post that there has to be some disparity in the points gained by level. What I was trying to highlight was that as a lesser skilled driver I feel that my contributions to these events as they stand are minimal at best.
As I said, I am under no illusion as to my skill standing both current and potential. I will never be one of the best drivers. What I want to be is simply a fair opponent, competent driver and valued contributor to events. I agree that only the best should appear at live events to showcase the game.

You never know how good you can be until you get there! Look at it as a motivational tool, the more you practice and get better, the higher the points will be in a race. None of the time spent is wasted, it all goes into the experience bank one way or another as you work your way up.

Also, Welcome to GTP!

 

[watto79]

Hi all

Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I only started with GTS in early December last year.

I have been reading the blurb about these two series and the idea seems to be that they are set up to determine the best drivers who represent their Nation or Manufacturer. So in essence, team olympics in each category.

That being the case, why are drivers in higher DR rated race getting so many points compared to lesser rated ones? Now I appreciate that there has to be some incentive for higher DR drivers to compete and that there should be some disparity in rewards. But 300 points? Why will the performance of a handful of drivers determine the best Nation or Manufacturer? To use the Olympics analogy, is the gold medal in the 100m worth more that the one in canoeing? Yes, it may be more glamorous to be 100m champion, but the medal table counts them equally.

I have raced every round so far. The winners have been earning 6 points, sometimes 9. This is hardly an incentive for lesser skilled drivers to compete, especially given you could be potentially putting your entire DR at risk if you have a poor result. Given the amount of lack of respect demonstrated by many at my level, the incentive to be involved seems minimal.

What happened to “team”? If the premise isn’t “team”, then maybe the competitions should be titled “World Champion”?

Is this what Sony wants? Surely any sound business model should be geared to encouraging new players? Surely more players generates higher income? Given the impending launch of PS5, pandering to the few as opposed to encouraging the many looks a little odd.

I already love this game. All the things you can do, not just the driving. But these two series just seem unfair and I won’t be racing the remaining rounds. I’m sure my non-participation will be devastating to many.

As I have stated, I am new. I do hope, however, that my observation have some merit.

If you think about it, you've basically described every sport under the sun. Why do people compete in sports if they're not going to go to the Olympics? Because it's fun (I hope). No, outside of around 50 odd people worldwide nobodies contribution to the FIA events really counts for anything. I do the FIA's because they're fun and I set my own goals in the hope to get a bit faster and earn a few more points.

As @Pigems said, who knows what you can achieve. They're a load of resources here and on YouTube that will help you improve and hopefully get you into the lobbies that DO matter. As always, I highly recommend Tidgneys Driving School on YouTube. You'll learn loads from that.

Good luck, and remember it's all for fun. In reality we're all plebs who won't achieve anything meaningful playing GTSport*

*depending on how much you value fun of course.

 

[Famine]

Largely rough but not rude at Red Bull Ring tonight. Although I have just seen an SLS - who punted me in turn three on lap 2 - take revenge for roughness with a full bore slam at turn one on an Evo.

 

[timekiller001]

Soo I just did the first Manu race today (EU time) and for me it went amazing.
Similar to yesterday's nation's cup I got pole. Which is quite amazing as I'm with the Toyota 86 and it lacks high speed and I didn't have any slipstream. Behind me was an Alfa (similar capabilities) and an Aston Martin.

Going into the race I had no idea about the tactics, I started on Medium and drive as long as they last.

Was able to stay 1st until lap 2 but the Aston caught up fast and I let him pass as his straight line speed meant there was no way I could keep him behind in a fair manner so I stuck to his slipstream to keep the cars behind me behind (they were just outside of slipstream range). In lap 5 the Aston got a penalty in the first turn so I was able to pass him on the straight. He then must've binned it later on as I fell back quite quickly.
In lap 8 I pitted for the softs. The Alfa has pitted one lap earlier and was able to jump me as I came out of the pits. For the following 7 laps I kept following him closely but had no chance to pass. I also got a 0.5 second penalty for the first turn in lap 15 so I was just out of slipstream range coming into the pits.
P3 got close once we were out of the pits but I was able to hold onto it. P2 with 250 or so points. Very satisfied with that one.

 

[das89ca]

Manufacturer would be a lot nicer if they would take more than 1 driver's points into account, as it is supposed to be a team effort. I would think something like 80% of the points an average of top5 or top10 and the rest 20% an average of the top200. In this way, one can contribute to the points even if it is not the top driver for that manufacturer.

RBR first slot was very dirty, I got rammed off the road 3 times during the race and in qualifier my flying lap was blocked from the beginning by somebody just off the pits. Only the carnage from yesterday's Laguna Seca was dirtier.

 

[Odiesback]

Did a simulated race Friday to get a feel for the race today.

Went with a 5S-5S-4S-2H strategy. Fuel was not an issue for the M4 using MF1 all the way. Finished 3rd with 5s to spare.

I might be going with same strategy.

 

[Granadier]

Did a simulated race Friday to get a feel for the race today.

Went with a 5S-5S-4S-2H strategy. Fuel was not an issue for the M4 using MF1 all the way. Finished 3rd with 5s to spare.

I might be going with same strategy.

Would recommend throwing an RM stint in there to avoid the penalty

 

[watto79]

Manufacturer would be a lot nicer if they would take more than 1 driver's points into account, as it is supposed to be a team effort. I would think something like 80% of the points an average of top5 or top10 and the rest 20% an average of the top200. In this way, one can contribute to the points even if it is not the top driver for that manufacturer.

RBR first slot was very dirty, I got rammed off the road 3 times during the race and in qualifier my flying lap was blocked from the beginning by somebody just off the pits. Only the carnage from yesterday's Laguna Seca was dirtier.

In reality its one driver from each region. So 5 drivers points count for each Manufacturer, deciding which Manufacturers qualify for World Tour Events.

EDIT And even then, its the top driver for each round that counts, so it can be, and often is, multiple drivers contributing to each regions points for their Manufacturer.

 

[larrybr07n]

I went for first slot EMEA and what an amazing race! I did 6M/6H/4S and had an awesome close and clean battle with a Spanish player for 5/6 laps, in the end I had to give up position as my softs were cooked. Finished 3rd, happy with that!

If you are in Aston Martin, don't go too harsh on your RSs, this is how I finished the race :

 

[Odiesback]

Would recommend throwing an RM stint in there to avoid the penalty

Wow! Thanks for pointing that out! - For some reason I was thinking only Hards were required. Just checked the race details and found out that all tire grades are required! - I owe you 20s

Considering a 5S-4M-5S-2H then

 

[Granadier]

I went for first slot EMEA and what an amazing race! I did 6M/6H/4S and had an awesome close and clean battle with a Spanish player for 5/6 laps, in the end I had to give up position as my softs were cooked. Finished 3rd, happy with that!

If you are in Aston Martin, don't go too harsh on your RSs, this is how I finished the race :

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[timekiller001]

Soo I just did the first Manu race today (EU time) and for me it went amazing.
Similar to yesterday's nation's cup I got pole. Which is quite amazing as I'm with the Toyota 86 and it lacks high speed and I didn't have any slipstream. Behind me was an Alfa (similar capabilities) and an Aston Martin.

Going into the race I had no idea about the tactics, I started on Medium and drive as long as they last.

Was able to stay 1st until lap 2 but the Aston caught up fast and I let him pass as his straight line speed meant there was no way I could keep him behind in a fair manner so I stuck to his slipstream to keep the cars behind me behind (they were just outside of slipstream range). In lap 5 the Aston got a penalty in the first turn so I was able to pass him on the straight. He then must've binned it later on as I fell back quite quickly.
In lap 8 I pitted for the softs. The Alfa has pitted one lap earlier and was able to jump me as I came out of the pits. For the following 7 laps I kept following him closely but had no chance to pass. I also got a 0.5 second penalty for the first turn in lap 15 so I was just out of slipstream range coming into the pits.
P3 got close once we were out of the pits but I was able to hold onto it. P2 with 250 or so points. Very satisfied with that one.

The video:

 

[das89ca]

I know the current system, but I think would get more interesting and people would be more involved in supporting their manufacturer. Also, it would be nice to get a final race to qualify for the live event - top2 world should have their place and the next 20 to have a race for the last place available.

I know this would not be possible - from multiple reasons, but it would make things more interesting.

 

[stpatty]

Yesterday was two rage quits, despite some pace. Highlight was in the first race, where I was so focused on putting traction control on for the start I forgot to put my foot on the brake. Really great how you're still solid in that situation and people drive right into you.

Today, at Austria, two attempts again. First one I bottled qualifying. Went from 20th to 6th despite 3-stopping. I felt I had more and I didn't have enough points to be sacrificing anything, so I went again.

Started 4th. Got rear ended by a Porsche into the other Porsche in 3rd going into turn 3. The first stint was a reasonable battle of different strategies. I decided to 2-stop this time, going 7/5/4. All was going well to start with, as I was into 3rd at the first stop, following in a Huracan who switched from mediums to hards while I went the other way.

Then, for the entirety of the middle stint, this utter wank decides to fight me on every corner. Not even going for lunges, just putting enough of his car alongside mine into near enough every corner to cost us loads of time. Constantly. He did the same on the final stint, costing me 3rd down to 6th in the end up. How ****ing stupid do you have to be to think fighting for literally every corner is a good idea? He cost us both a podium finish, effectively. He ended up 4th.

This isn't even something unique to sub-A lobbies either. My best ever FIA result was a 2nd place and ~1500 points at Monza, where some clown in a Mustang spent the first 5 laps of a 17 lap race fighting with me into the chicanes and trying to turn in on me. Use some ****ing sense and strategise, people. It's not ****ing difficult.

And, the idiot in the Huracan quit immediately on the results screen, so I couldn't even tell him he was an idiot. Hence this post right now, which is much more restrained than I would like it to be.

 

[Kiki_Haoru]

Anyone has a strategy with the Merc? 7/5/4 works?

 

[Pigems]

Anyone has a strategy with the Merc? 7/5/4 works?

I’m going 8M/2H/6S in the Jag, though I may shift the hard stint to the first or last stint depending on where I Qualify. Just be easy on the tires in the braking zone, brake a bit early so you can still get good exits while saving the tires slightly.

 

[watto79]

I know the current system, but I think would get more interesting and people would be more involved in supporting their manufacturer. Also, it would be nice to get a final race to qualify for the live event - top2 world should have their place and the next 20 to have a race for the last place available.

I know this would not be possible - from multiple reasons, but it would make things more interesting.

I don't know, imagine working and fighting all season to finish a respectful 3rd. Only to be told, "sorry, you don't get to go to the world tour because the guy who finished 20th won his last race". That would really suck.

Use some ****ing sense and strategise, people. It's not ****ing difficult.

And, the idiot in the Huracan quit immediately on the results screen, so I couldn't even tell him he was an idiot. Hence this post right now, which is much more restrained than I would like it to be.

Yeah this is a real problem at the moment. I really love having all 3 tyres mandated as it makes for some really interesting mixed strategies. It's a game in itself trying to keep tabs on who is on what tyre and not really knowing how you are doing until everyone has made their last pitstop. But if you are on hard tyres and the car behind closes a 2 second gap in a lap then they're clearly on soft tyres. Defending every corner like your life depends on it just costs both of you time. People need to play the long game but they don't.

And while I'm joining you on your rant, the pit lane at RBR is on the right hand side following a right hand corner. When I'm pitting I hug the apex and keep a tight line. I really wish others would do that. I've witnessed some real carnage on that bit of track tonight!

 

[Tidgney]

So if anyone wants to see the meme race of the century with a minimum of 15 stops expected, come watch and join in ! Marbles after to !

 

[Kiki_Haoru]

Oh lord... Strategy doesn't matter so much when the back of the grid are basically 12 degenerate monkeys playing death race...
15th to 8th race, I still suck at qualifying but somehow manage to escape the worst of the ramming and benefit from it.

 

[Benay79]

Pretty good race. Qualified 4th but had assumed my tires would be warm enough by turn 3 but obviously not as the car just wouldn’t slow down and I went off into the gravel. Rejoined in 11th. Went for 6M/5S/5H and managed to finish 5th so pretty happy considering

 

[tps_b86_]

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Pretty good race. Qualified 4th but had assumed my tires would be warm enough by turn 3 but obviously not as the car just wouldn’t slow down and I went off into the gravel. Rejoined in 11th. Went for 6M/5S/5H and managed to finish 5th so pretty happy considering

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Thats me behind you! McLaren guy brake checked me the corner after he served a penalty and I hit him oops.

That was fun at the end trying to catch you!

 

[Benay79]

Thats me behind you! McLaren guy brake checked me the corner after he served a penalty and I hit him oops.

That was fun at the end trying to catch you!

Haha can see what he thought of you in the lobby! One more lap and you probably would have got me!

 

[das89ca]

I don't know, imagine working and fighting all season to finish a respectful 3rd. Only to be told, "sorry, you don't get to go to the world tour because the guy who finished 20th won his last race". That would really suck.

As long as the rules are clear and presented from the beginning, don't see an issue with that. And it would be a way to add a bit of unpredictability there. They are doing it already in a way with top16 superstars races, putting it with a "trophy"o the table would only make it more interesting in my opinion.

Anyway, I gave up Manufacturer's today. I was a DR donor this weekend with the Wreckfest FIA races. I tanked my DR from 26k to 18k just with the FIA races. Today's first race was a cluster**** - was rammed off road 3 times and finished last. Then in the second race I blew the quali and got a penalty in the last corner - my time would have started me in P5. I started 19th, managed to get to 13th in the only decent race I had this weekend. As I did not have enough points to replace the 53 from before, I tried again.

Started P11, got up to 9th, hit by mistake a Silver Merc, than waited for him and gave his position back. ****** part was that in the next corner I missed my brake and hit him again, this time off the track. Probably he thought I did that on purpose. Ran another half a lap then decided to quit - not a good day for science, better to quit before I ruin anybody else's race.

 

[Hygrade B]

Anyone has a strategy with the Merc? 7/5/4 works?

I am late but that worked for me got P5

Skipped yesterday race
Had fun today did three races all three I was in the top pack .
1st started P8 got to P4 then then got hit down to p10 then made a few corner errors. Finish P7
2nd race stayed in P9. Until I was hit back into the pack, then I crashed in the pit entrance. That teach me to practice more than 1hr. Finish P13
3rd race I started p10 got up to P4 by 4nd lap I think, got hit back but less mistake. Finish P5.
They need to increase the penalties for not following the rules. To many Infront of my had 20s Penalties.

Tyres where no problems in any race, it was fun.
Good luck Team AMG...
Lol..

Forgot my pictures, four cars around me that fight all the way bumper cars style took me out 1 by 1.. on parts of the track on different laps.

 

[watto79]

Three attempts at Manufacturers tonight. First attempt qualified 4th but was trying to make an unusual strategy of 1H/8M/7S stick, and it was probably foolhardy. Anyway on the last lap of the medium stint I came together with an NSX and we both spun out. In my eyes the NSX was already loosing it when I tapped them. I did accept some responsibility and was ready to apologise afterwards. However on the last lap the NSX gets close to me and shoves me off the track on the approach to turn 2. This essentially made me into a bowling ball into the three cars ahead. One of them (a Porsche) must have been watching their rear view and saw it was the NSX rather than me that caused it, and punted the NSX into the gravel at the tight right hander (with the massive gravel trap). Finished 12th.

Second attempt picked up a track limit penalty in qualifying so started 18th. Went with a more 'normal' 7M/2H/7S strategy and finished 9th but had the below quite funny pit entrance incident. Going into the penultimate corner the car behind me was over 5 seconds behind, so I couldn't for the life of me work out where the punt came from. Had to watch the replay to figure it out. I drove the entire start/finish straight basically looking behind me for the phantom punter! It wasn't really their fault but the re-entry on the apex was perhaps ill advised.....

Third attempt started 6th and finished 6th. The last lap racing was pretty close but finally managed to hook together a decent qualifying and race in the same session! Happy with the points too.



This was second race, penultimate corner of last lap. The Porsche at the back took full advantage of the lack of penalties to 'overtake' all of us.

 

[Odiesback]

One and NOT done.

Qualified 11th among lots of familiar names. Had 15 on the door.

I was doing just fine in 9th or so when On T2 L2 I applied a little too much of throttle and with TC 0, the car spun and got stuck in the grass facing the opposite way! by the time I got back I was sitting in last and 20s behind. Fought With all I had but in the end that’s how it ended: 20th.... preparing for the next one...

 

[GTWolverine]

Once again I'm gonna have to do more than 1 race due to me not turning any laps immediately before the first slot. I did a few hundred miles of driving on Wednesday at RBR, including 2 practice races, and felt like I had decent speed, but apparently unless I'm practicing until seconds before the race starts I forget literally everything about the track . I drove like an idiot and gave myself a penalty in qualifying, and started 19th. The only person who started behind me didn't set a time. I decided to start on the hards and might have salvaged a good finish, as I was closing in on the top 10 when I got punted into the gravel at Turn 3. After that all I could fight for was 16th, but I threw that away to take revenge on the punter. I ultimately finished 18th, so yeah I'm definitely going again. I'll probably have to go 2 more times before I get any decent points after the hit my DR took. It was a shame as I actually saw 2 GTP members (hi @Odiesback and @Granadier!)

 

[Odiesback]

Once again I'm gonna have to do more than 1 race due to me not turning any laps immediately before the first slot. I did a few hundred miles of driving on Wednesday at RBR, including 2 practice races, and felt like I had decent speed, but apparently unless I'm practicing until seconds before the race starts I forget literally everything about the track . I drove like an idiot and gave myself a penalty in qualifying, and started 19th. The only person who started behind me didn't set a time. I decided to start on the hards and might have salvaged a good finish, as I was closing in on the top 10 when I got punted into the gravel at Turn 3. After that all I could fight for was 16th, but I threw that away to take revenge on the punter. I ultimately finished 18th, so yeah I'm definitely going again. I'll probably have to go 2 more times before I get any decent points after the hit my DR took. It was a shame as I actually saw 2 GTP members (@Odiesback and @Granadier!)

Hey @GTWolverine , you couldn’t do worse than I did (see post above)

Good luck to us next one! 👍

 

[Pigems]

I got put in one of the Big Boy rooms tonight, I entered this race with #18 on the Door.

Luckily for me I had practiced quite a bit for this race, and it paid off in Q, Qualified P2 with little to no draft. I think a few of the other guys didn’t get a solid lap in do to an incident in Q, I didn’t see what happened, but I’ll take it though.

Going in the strategy was 8M/2H/6S, but I changed that mid race and went 8M/3H/5S instead based on how the race played out. Had I not messed up the first 3 corners and fallen back to 4th I may have been able to Win this one. I did claw my way back though and was right on the eventual Winners bumper for most of the final two laps, but he defended really well and I couldn’t find a way by. I came really close in the 2nd last corner, but he shut the door and that was that. It was a really fun race and the most points I’ve gotten in any race so far, knocking out a previous score of 193 pts. One and done for me tonight.