FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[pennanton]

Bah....just did a manufacturers race and finished 6th, 180 points. Could have done better but had a couple of silly mistakes. Hitting the wall on the last corner hence a penalty being one. Hit the wall, lose more than a second down the straight.....here have another 1 sec. lol

Anyway came back well. The race itself was really really good. Lots of close clean racing everywhere and quality overtakes.

Slightly off topic but this song slaps.

On topic: Having a hard time qualifying well with the Alfa Gr4. Race pace is fantastic but in qual it just feels like it doesn't have the power to compensate for the fuel weight.

 

[juanito0585]

Three tips for Manu race:
1. Stay in draft and fuel save (most cars should be able to avoid refuelling with short shifting)
2. Medium tyres and 2 stop strategy are useless
3. Undercut is very powerful here if you get stuck in traffic during first stint

Shocker quali (you guessed it - didn't get a draft), but went from 13th to 3rd in the Citroen with patient strategic driving and insanely lucky traffic situation around my pitstop. Very clean race with everyone behaving and a handsome 200 points reward Faith in humanity restored 👍



Well yes exactly. The original rationale for only taking a subset of the race results is to account for these kind of unpredictable things. Disconnects, big crashes, bad car/track combos and missing races for whatever reason (school/work/life/etc). 75% discarded results is extremely lenient in my view. Imagine if Lewis Hamilton only needs to win a quarter of all races last season - he would've wrapped up the title in June

So you say it´s a one stop soft for soft trying to avoid refueling... What are the lap times to make it work? I´m clocking 46.7 to 46.9 but tyres wont last half of the race... I was one of the guys thinking about a two stopper

 

[Roman_GT23]

I have the feeling the Manu cup is going to be a **** show today. Especially funneling into T1. Thanks for the advice on the tire strategy. I can't do a S/M 2 stop strategy so I'm just going to fire away with softs.

 

[roamingbard13]

Especially funneling into T1

Oh, for sure. People are going to try to stuff it up the inside even though the wider line is much faster. I fully expect to get sent into the wall at least once there this evening. If I can survive the first lap, hopefully, that'll be enough to get away from the crazies. I think people do take FIA a little more seriously than the dailies, so hopefully it won't be too bad.

FWIW, in the US anyways, I find the 9:00 PM EST slot to be cleaner than the 7:40 PM slot.

 

[Roman_GT23]

I'd love to join the 9PM but I'm going to be in an Iracing league race wrapping up around 9 so it will either be 6:20 or 10:20 for me

 

[GTWolverine]

I have the feeling the Manu cup is going to be a **** show today. Especially funneling into T1.

I feel like the gaps at the start are big enough and the run to turn 1 short enough that it probably won't be too bad. The next Nations race at Monza on the other hand...

 

[milehighmadd]

Slightly off topic but this song slaps.

On topic: Having a hard time qualifying well with the Alfa Gr4. Race pace is fantastic but in qual it just feels like it doesn't have the power to compensate for the fuel weight.

Are you burning fuel for 2 out laps like what was strategy at Tokyo?

 

[Roman_GT23]

Are you burning fuel for 2 out laps like what was strategy at Tokyo?

Hey @milehighmadd are you suggesting for qualy to run 2 laps flat out pit and then your flyer?

 

[milehighmadd]

Hey @milehighmadd are you suggesting for qualy to run 2 laps flat out pit and then your flyer?

As I understand per Mistah's strategy video last week, the idea is to hold your revs high as possible without clicking while in 1st gear to help shave fuel. Believe this is more effective than simply running full throttle. With the short track, you might even be able to get in 3 fuel burn laps before official qual lap.

So you say it´s a one stop soft for soft trying to avoid refueling... What are the lap times to make it work? I´m clocking 46.7 to 46.9 but tyres wont last half of the race... I was one of the guys thinking about a two stopper

FWIW - my 2-stop times were 1s and 3s slower overall than 3-stop on two test races. Although I'm not as good as the lot of you so YMMV. 17m/11s was quicker than 14/14 by 2s.

 

[ivann]

Im still going to try 2 stopper, red line all the way, may the fairies be with me

 

[roamingbard13]

As I understand per Mistah's strategy video last week, the idea is to hold your revs high as possible without clicking while in 1st gear to help shave fuel. Believe this is more effective than simply running full throttle. With the short track, you might even be able to get in 3 fuel burn laps before official qual lap.

Yeah -- in the B split I was in, this left me with no draft partners for my flying lap. It may not matter as much for this race, but I qualified 10 spots higher by finding the first fast draft partner I could and setting my flying lap early. I think it works better if a lot of people are following a similar strategy, which wasn't my experience.

 

[milehighmadd]

Yeah -- in the B split I was in, this left me with no draft partners for my flying lap. It may not matter as much for this race, but I qualified 10 spots higher by finding the first fast draft partner I could and setting my flying lap early. I think it works better if a lot of people are following a similar strategy, which wasn't my experience.

Expecting people to follow similar strategy is like expecting people to use the same braking points.

Also digging these FIA onboard videos while just getting to work. Helps ease into my morning a lot better.

 

[Famine]

I normally take each FIA race as it comes. Whatever it is, I'll just grab my car, do a couple of practice laps, then go race. Sometimes I'll work out a strategy based on warm-up/qualifying fuel and tyre deg, and sometimes I'll do a second race later with the first one as a trial run - this usually loses me DR for the first race, and gains it back and then more in the second.

So I've just looked at tonight's Manufacturer Series.

Lago Maggiore Centre, with the current "rubbing is literally worse than drug smuggling" penalty system, where the fast tyre is Racing Soft, and I'm in an Atenza Gr.4.


Yeah, that can nope the **** off.

 

[Granadier]

I normally take each FIA race as it comes. Whatever it is, I'll just grab my car, do a couple of practice laps, then go race. Sometimes I'll work out a strategy based on warm-up/qualifying fuel and tyre deg, and sometimes I'll do a second race later with the first one as a trial run - this usually loses me DR for the first race, and gains it back and then more in the second.

So I've just looked at tonight's Manufacturer Series.

Lago Maggiore Centre, with the current "rubbing is literally worse than drug smuggling" penalty system, where the fast tyre is Racing Soft, and I'm in an Atenza Gr.4.


Yeah, that can nope the **** off.

Honestly I've just written this whole season off after attempting the combinations. Rd. 3 was the only good experience I've had. The rest were equivalent to pulling teeth. Which is a shame since I put a good amount of work into liveries for this season and was excited to drive for Aston Martin.

Hopefully the full season has more sensible tracks and modifiers.

 

[milehighmadd]

People who have done today's Manu, have you noticed needing 2 more laps than necessary on refuel? Essentially, it seems the fuel indicator is off with this car/track combo.

 

[Trone_Colby]

People who have done today's Manu, have you noticed needing 2 more laps than necessary on refuel? Essentially, it seems the fuel indicator is off with this car/track combo.

Yes. It has always been like that for that track. Its a huge miscalculation. Get more than what they tell you, 1 or 2 notches.

 

[stpatty]

Holy ****

I know we like to say people don't know how to race on ovals, or with slipstream, or with different tyre combos, or in especially powerful or high performance cars, but this was one of the worst races I've ever seen. I started 4th and (2-stop which I probably shouldn't have done) finished 5th even though I ended up with 4 seconds of penalty time and got spun out and into the wall after coming out of the pits the second time.

Naturally, the penalty system being what it is, I'm one of three finishers to get a red SR. I'm just glad I got good points, and even though with a bit of luck I reckon I could win one of these, I'm not going through that again. No spatial awareness from most of the grid, sends at ever possible corner and a penalty system that punishes people who're in a position to get divebombed or shuffled wide. Calamitous.

My advice if you're still unsure on strategy: Prioritise clear space above all else. I don't care how bad your tyres are, if there are no cars within two seconds of your rear, you can make them work.

 

[breeminator]

First race with the post-nerf Gr.4 Jag. Qualifying wasn't great, as expected after the nerf. I qualified 8th, with about the same gap to the 650S on pole as there was between my free practice times with the 2 cars. I knew the Jag would be good for the race, though, so I tried to just keep calm and wait to see how it all played out. By lap 12 I was up to 6th, and had the bright idea of trying a 2 lap undercut. I looked at the track map and thought I'd come out on a clear bit of track. I was wrong, though it wasn't THAT bad. The driver ahead of me appeared to grasp I'd just come out with fresh tyres, and sensibly didn't offer much resistance. The killer was that 2 cars ahead had penalties, and they served them side by side. I swerved to try to avoid touching the ghosted car, almost binning it in the process, but I must have made a slight contact with the ghost, which as we know, is something that makes you look very bad indeed, hence the 5 second penalty the game gave me. My undercut worked well, with me moving up from 6th to 4th, but the penalty dropped me right back down. Back to staying calm and waiting to see if the cars ahead would start to struggle with fuel or tyres, or make a mistake. I think a bit of all 3 happened at various times, and I got back up to 4th by the finish. I'll take the 191 points over another roll of the dice.

 

[GTWolverine]

Lago Maggiore Centre, with the current "rubbing is literally worse than drug smuggling" penalty system, where the fast tyre is Racing Soft, and I'm in an Atenza Gr.4.

Rubbing is fine, as long as you're the car on the inside. If you rub as you're trying a pass around the outside, or if someone sends it up the inside as you turn in, then you've committed the 8th Deadly Sin. Punting someone square in the rear and sending them to the Shadow Realm is totally fine racing etiquette though 👍.

 

[stpatty]

I normally take each FIA race as it comes. Whatever it is, I'll just grab my car, do a couple of practice laps, then go race. Sometimes I'll work out a strategy based on warm-up/qualifying fuel and tyre deg, and sometimes I'll do a second race later with the first one as a trial run - this usually loses me DR for the first race, and gains it back and then more in the second.

So I've just looked at tonight's Manufacturer Series.

Lago Maggiore Centre, with the current "rubbing is literally worse than drug smuggling" penalty system, where the fast tyre is Racing Soft, and I'm in an Atenza Gr.4.


Yeah, that can nope the **** off.

A Mazda finished 4th in my race. Think he ran out of fuel at the end, but he made it.

 

[Cerebral303]

I did M11/S8/M9 only refuelling the 2nd stop, and even with putting a bit extra in I still ran out of fuel and finished 8th rather than 5th, but I have to say maybe I was lucky but was racing against clean drivers, leaving each other room round T1 and the final 2 turns, and some cars even aborted the overtake at T1 when they realised they would hit me, and ended up losing speed instead. There were a few punting drivers but it wasn't Destruction Derby.

I was dreading 28 laps but it went quickly and the Porsche seemed to really like this course.

 

[timekiller001]

Did one race so far today. I have risked it and ran without any practice at all. I only did two laps before joining the lobby. As expected the qualifying went bad and only P18 out of 19. Also did the mistake and started on Mediums. I fell back to last place quite soon, but at least gained two places by people falling behind. Also two people left.
Did 10M/9S/9S. Was at least able to overtake one other person so I finished in P14. Only 135 points which isn't good enough to be counted.
Also since I didn't have slipstream for most of the race I wasn't able to save fuel and fueled a bit on both pitstops to get to the end. Will go again

 

[watto79]

I'd done zero practice for this one (other than 10 laps of time trial) so really didn't know what to do. Went for a 1 stop all soft tyres strategy while conserving fuel. It wasn't particularly good fun and likely the wrong strategy for the Jaguar! Started and finished 10th but not going again.

Felt lucky to get away with a single 2 second penalty, and that was only thanks to a berk in a GTR who couldn't understand how to overtake without contact even when I've left ALL THE TRACK for them to do so

Was more of a Sunday drive than anything. If I did go again I'd 2 stop and push a lot more, maybe taking a splash of fuel at one of the stops. My fastest lap was the slowest of everyone

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I made a few mistakes today in Manufacturers

1. I entered the race in an FF car
2. I tried to qualify without using someones slipstream
3. I overfilled slightly at the pit stop
4. I entered the race in an FF car

Not much you can do in an FF car. Qualified 15th, and tried to save fuel and tyres for the 1st half of the race. Did get one penalty for the below, which was a bit of a nuisance as I saw him coming and tried to leave enough space.

After that I was just out the back of the group so I ended up having a quiet race while my front tyres slowly died. Probably could have gone again and tried to qualify better, but tbh the race is just a big miserable in a FF car so I think I will accept the result.

 

[Famine]

A Mazda finished 4th in my race. Think he ran out of fuel at the end, but he made it.

 

[Zorz]

Manufacturers Round 5
Worst. Race. Ever. Absolutely horrendous combination.

Couldn't get close on qualifying even with a clean run with slipstream and started P16. This track is just not my thing. The BMW chewed through the tyres even with the brake balance all the way to the rear, and doing that made the car feel horrible at points as well.

I made up a few positions due to other drivers' errors then got slapped with a 4 second penalty for committing the 8th Deadly Sin as dubbed earlier in the thread - some very light contact going side-by-side through the fast chicane in sector 2 whilst being on the outside.

After that I fell off the slipstream train and the race was a loss from there onwards, although I did come across some other people who were struggling just as much as me later.

I got sloppy in the end between the worn tyres and the sheer frustration, apologies to the people I ended up making contact with.

Finished P16, 62 points, no way am I doing that again.

Maybe my pit strategy was wrong trying a 2-stop with just Softs, but I didn't have much time to practice and test for this one.

 

[das89ca]

So - Ferrari again - this time with the little, nice and cute sister 458.

Only practice this time was around 30 min time trial before the race. I was planning a one stopper with some slight fuel saving, but I changed strategy on the move and did a few stopper after the Right side tires start to die in lap10.

Quali was very good, got a 48.101 by myself and this put me on P2 on the starting grid. Start was decent, no real drama for the first 3 laps but lost 2 position because I was trying to get used with the combination of car and track. The front 4 started to put a bit of a gap, so everything was good. Lap 3- mistake from the Lexus in P2, took wide the corner at T1 and me and the Porsche in front overtook him. Lap 4 I missed my braking point in T1, dive-bombed the Porsche in front and took 2nd position. There was a BMW in the back so I did not want to lose 2 positions,but in that point but I left the Porsche back in P2 in the last lefthander at the end of the lap. Till lap 8 no more drama, then people started to pit.

I was up in 2nd and for 1 lap in 1st and in lap10 I felt the right side die and started to have understeer. Pit for fresh Softs then another stint - only thing mentioned to note is a mistake in T1 - had the inside but I did not took the corner tight enough - touched a bit the side of a BMW and made his car unstable. I lifted the throttle, let him gain the position back. 2nd pit, put some fuel, got out in 4th. All good, but in a compact group of 5 cars till the end of the race. In lap26, a Porsche dives me in the last lefthander and I tried to protect the inside on the following turn. Get a 2s penalty(victim penalty) then in the last turn get a bit too much curb and accelerate a bit too early. Result, scrap the opposite wall, get 1.5s penalty and I am down in 7th. Last lap is without drama, although I battled and tried a daring move on the SLS in front in the last 2 corners I did not want to push him wide - so I passed finish line around 1 m behind. Courtesy of a driver who did not use Softs I went up a position so final position P6. My recent increase in DR also got me a nice amount of points: 101. We improve the 78 from the Tokyo race.

 

[DK]

So I've just looked at tonight's Manufacturer Series.

Lago Maggiore Centre, with the current "rubbing is literally worse than drug smuggling" penalty system, where the fast tyre is Racing Soft, and I'm in an Atenza Gr.4.


Yeah, that can nope the **** off.

I wish I had your foresight. I picked up two 2s penalties from getting tagged by vroomers.

To cap it off, I was in the GT-R.

 

[timekiller001]

Race 2 went much better for me than my first try.
Qualifying went badly though as I wanted to put in laps instead of looking for slipstream. Despite being just 0.6 seconds off pole that was only P17.
The race went very well though. This time I did a one stop on softs (13S/15S) and did fuelsave so I did not have to refuel.
The race itself started slowly though. It wasn't until lap 3 when someone went off that I gained a position. Thanks to a penalty the next lap I got up to P15.
Before my pitstop I got up to P8 thanks to other people pitting. After my stop I was on P11, which became P9 as others pitted.
Then I was able to overtake a Mercedes for P8.
Got all the way up to P7 with another one pitting, but got overtaken by a Ferrari to slip down to P8.
Another Toyota had to pit in the second to last lap so I got lucky and up to P7.

Overall gained 10 places for 208 points. That's it for today!

 

[O604]

I survived.

Started 13th. Finished 7th. RS/RS one stop with a lap extra fuel. Knocked off once, hit a wall but finished penalty free.

Was top Toyota. 4 Lexus all qualified in front. Felt like i was following a Lexus the whole race.