FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[The359]

This was the difference between Soft tires and Medium tires. All but one of the cars in front of me started on Mediums. I had the lead by the start of Lap 5.

Eventually ended the race 3rd because I didn't save quite as much as everyone else, but I was bound and determined to get that race lead.

 

[vvise]

Dang the Gr3 RCZ might be the slowest car in all Gr3 on the straight. I tied with a Z4 in a drag race. Was losing 2 or 3 tenths on the front straight alone to GTRs, half a second if it was in the draft.

Really suffering on the last two power tracks.

Had fun tonight, but it's a bad feeling sitting in a 911 draft and watching it pull away.

When it looks this good I have to use it.

 

[barak181]

**** me, PD. I hope somebody from your company reads this thread. The amount of penalties and SR down arrows I've received today for other people punting me, running me off the track or swerving back onto the track and hitting me is absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

I broke a controller today. My PS4 is probably next.

 

[Groundfish]

Manu was a fun race. Picked up ten spots. Seaside can be such a fun back and forth track in diff cars with evenly matched clean drivers. That was today in my race.
The lobby I was in was excellent, just one pen given in the whole race and it wasn’t to me. .

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

My disdain for slipstream qualifying reached a new high today. Basically cost me one of the few chances I had of winning a Top 16 race by being much further down the grid than I should've been. Somehow, I still got 33 Manu points and I did win the first slot of the day. Staying with Nissan was a good choice even though the competition between regions is brutal. It's nice to be in the mix for something.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I don't buy that PD is solely responsible for disconnects and lag problems. The Internet as a whole seems very stressed in several countries, PD can't be held responsible for that.
I saw one failure to connect in the beginning of world wide lock-down, have had no problems since that. My country is far from capacity even now.

 

[UjiOgami15]

Well, that was awesome.

Slot 2 I get spun trying to pit after lap 1. I respawn back on the straightaway but the lap counter doesn't turn over. I run lap 1 a second time. When I try to pit it respawns me back on the straightaway and the lap counter still doesn't turn over.

After a punt-filled P16 and now a disconnect I might as well be DR.C, if I'm not in actuality. I should go seal clubbing in Race C now or something to work out my newfound aggression.

"Groundhog day" kind of feeling?

 

[senzr]

My take:
1st overtake was legit, as you were already next to him before you both start to turn in.
The other 2, you sent it up the inside right as they were turning in for the corner, making the contact unavoidable, and you basically pushed them out of the way.

First one fine, second one dodgy - stuck your nose in where it really shouldn't have been, should have yielded on the exit, third one, you were maybe a bit quick into the corner but they could have got a cut back with slightly more awareness

You've come from a long way back in all of them, so some will automatically call you a dirty dive bomber. To me though dive bombers need contact to make the corner themselves, you're not in that bracket, and the only naughty move in my opinion was the second one. The other two, you're clearly far better than them on the brakes into that corner

I agree with others. First move was pretty solid. Other 2, hmmmm. It is edging that line into a dive. Just from so far back it is important to realize that the driver ahead isnt expecting a car to appear alongside like that so there is going to need to be some room. It is that contact keeping them out there and wide that I don't like. It is what was happening to me a bit, space is there, lines are clean and I am still getting that bump off or push wide to unsettle my car. Definitely not looking malicious, just a bit messy, but we've all had a few of those. I still do it sometimes too. I think I had one last night as well getting caught out diving as I didnt realize how early the other person needed to brake.

It is all just practice and making sure if they get wiped out as a result then you wait for em.

Thanks for the feedback!

For the record, in the 2nd clip, I didn't touch him, he went wide on the exit and I had a better line and traction, so I nailed the throttle, but he didn't have room to make it back on track. I just wondered if it was my responsibility to give him room to come back when he went wide all on his own.

The 3rd one was extremely optimistic on the final lap, and I knew he was on shredded tyres, understeering everywhere and he had to brake much earlier, so I took a huge chance, and there was slight contact. In the final chicane, he messed up his braking and drove right through the second part, completely cutting across the sausage curb and overtook me leading onto the final right hander with ZERO penalties!! I had a better exit, and we got side by side, but he beat me to the finish line by about 1/3 car length, only to receive the 1-minute penalty for not meeting tyre requirements. Oh well...was exciting till the end!

I'll keep trying to improve. It's never my intent to be malicious, but in hindsight, we're all guilty of the things we despise in others more than we'd care to admit. I guess we have to be open to being wrong in order to learn.

 

[Redneckchef]

Thanks for the feedback!

For the record, in the 2nd clip, I didn't touch him, he went wide on the exit and I had a better line and traction, so I nailed the throttle, but he didn't have room to make it back on track. I just wondered if it was my responsibility to give him room to come back when he went wide all on his own.

The 3rd one was extremely optimistic on the final lap, and I knew he was on shredded tyres, understeering everywhere and he had to brake much earlier, so I took a huge chance, and there was slight contact. In the final chicane, he messed up his braking and drove right through the second part, completely cutting across the sausage curb and overtook me leading onto the final right hander with ZERO penalties!! I had a better exit, and we got side by side, but he beat me to the finish line by about 1/3 car length, only to receive the 1-minute penalty for not meeting tyre requirements. Oh well...was exciting till the end!

I'll keep trying to improve. It's never my intent to be malicious, but in hindsight, we're all guilty of the things we despise in others more than we'd care to admit. I guess we have to be open to being wrong in order to learn.

Hey man, just keep at it. All working to improve as we go. I am certainly not above reproach. And yeah, if you didnt touch him and he was already off just leave it. If I am not reasonably sure I head on racing and apologize unless they are totally wiped out.

 

[Ashthebash]

Thanks for the feedback!

For the record, in the 2nd clip, I didn't touch him, he went wide on the exit and I had a better line and traction, so I nailed the throttle, but he didn't have room to make it back on track. I just wondered if it was my responsibility to give him room to come back when he went wide all on his own.

The 3rd one was extremely optimistic on the final lap, and I knew he was on shredded tyres, understeering everywhere and he had to brake much earlier, so I took a huge chance, and there was slight contact. In the final chicane, he messed up his braking and drove right through the second part, completely cutting across the sausage curb and overtook me leading onto the final right hander with ZERO penalties!! I had a better exit, and we got side by side, but he beat me to the finish line by about 1/3 car length, only to receive the 1-minute penalty for not meeting tyre requirements. Oh well...was exciting till the end!

I'll keep trying to improve. It's never my intent to be malicious, but in hindsight, we're all guilty of the things we despise in others more than we'd care to admit. I guess we have to be open to being wrong in order to learn.

Thought you made contact on the apex of the hairpin in the second clip, if there's no contact there then the overtake on the exit is fine, it means his adventure was all his own doing and you give him plenty of room

 

[Famine]

Im new to GT sport and I was wondering if someone could help me to figure out why I came 5th in last night's G3 manufacturers online event but then as the other drivers behind me were crossing the finish line my position dropped 4 times to end up in 9th?

I didn't get any penalties during the race and was my best performance so far starting 10th on the grid and drove really smooth apex to apex.
Was a real rush coming 5th and my adrenaline was pumping but to then watch my placing drop for no reason gutted me pretty hard.

If its not bad enough getting 4sec penalties for getting bumped off the track by other drivers by no fault of my own, then whatever happened last night is the last straw and don't think I will play online
events again.

Any info would be much appreciated.
Cheers Tom

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...r-the-race-when-i-didnt-get-a-penalty.393428/

 

[Hearse]

Are the Mother Chassis GT300 Evo & WRX, any good in the FIA races? Not many write-ups about them. I'm thinking of giving either a go.

Not concerned about the Group 4 cars. Just read reviews about those two, in the car of the week thread. Thanks.

 

[ringkurier]

Next round: N100 at Sardagena B II

Not 100% sure about my feelings with this, but it can be fun.

What cars could be a good performer in this race?

 

[Famine]

Next round: N100 at Sardagena B II

Not 100% sure about my feelings with this, but it can be fun.

What cars could be a good performer in this race?

Roadster TC.

That's the list.

 

[Browneskii]

What a lovely Sunday, looking forward to a manufactu..... Oh wait. Thanks PD.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Are the Mother Chassis GT300 Evo & WRX, any good in the FIA races? Not many write-ups about them. I'm thinking of giving either a go.

Not concerned about the Group 4 cars. Just read reviews about those two, in the car of the week thread. Thanks.

I drove for Mitsu in the official season last year. Strengths: braking & stability, maybe fuel saving. Weakness: straight line speed (read: you will get passed even if you're in draft ), front tyre wear (though with the braking stability, you can move BB +5 and still have no issues).

They can be quite good in technical tracks with stop/start corners and not a lot of straights (e.g. Catalunya, Autopolis), but unless you're alien tier you're gonna be midfield at best and constantly at the back at worst. If you qualify high enough you can just about hang on, but if you start at the back it's very hard to make any progress because as soon as you pull out of the draft, it's like hitting a brick wall and you can't get the overlap needed to overtake unless you divebomb it.

The tracks this season are all quite biased towards high speed unfortunately. If you want to be competitive in a mother chassis car, you're better off going with the Atenza or Beetle. But if you're not concerned about points and just wanna have fun, just go for it. It's cool being the only manu representative in the room and overachieving in an underdog car

Roadster TC.

That's the list.

Dinos are leading the leaderboard here. Roadster is probably too slow on the main straight which is much longer than at Laguna last season. Stratos is similar speed wise to Dino but the extra twitchiness probably isn't worth as much laptime here as in Laguna.

 

[Seb Weasel]

Raced three Manufacturer races yesterday, no connection issues (EMEA). I always try to join early, maybe that helps?
Q13R10, Q14R10, Q9R9 in the AMG, really enjoyed that.

A few months ago I decided to mostly focus on FIA races. They fit what I like, and felt it might help placing my DR more accurately. Then when the quarantine started I became more active, and that increased my level. Yesterday the slightest pace drop resulted in losing slipstream to the car ahead. The slightest error in strategy or any tiny mistake, same thing. Maybe I am close to my true level, and will now have to dig deep to get good results!

It's great because when looking at replays, most of the grid had a shot at a good end result. Many within a few tenths of each other in pace, meaning it's down to fine margins (and unfortunately still a bit of luck depending on sportsmanship).
I have to say that I really enjoy this new "real" slipstream.

Looking forward to the next rounds!

 

[Carrera1963]

So, N100 for Nations - Sambabus or Beetle?

 

[Seb Weasel]

I had a really decent Nations finish (3rd from 8th) and a so-so Manufacturers result (10th from 15th). But I'm feeling conflicted about my Nations podium today. I made a few overtakes at Turn 10, going deep on the brakes with a little contact. I try to be as clean as I can, and I want to improve. In the heat of the moment, sometimes it's hard to know... Here are 3 overtakes at T10. I'm in the white/pink Lexus. What do you guys think? Were they legit? Or am I a bad, dirty boy?

First of all I'd like to say that I'm by no means a perfect example and get it wrong regularly! So definitely not judging, and I appreciate you being open so we can discuss on that never ending topic. I always love this since it is so close to "the essence of overtaking".

When committing to an overtake on the inside, I see two options:
1. If by the end of the braking zone you are not mostly alongside, you are supposed to yield.
2. If you are alongside, the other driver must give you space, just like you must be prepared to give the defending car space. That means being able to turn in narrow so the other car has space on the outside. Which is super hard to do on that sharp Barcelona left hander.

With great awareness, in some cases the defending car could let the attacker run wide and do a cut back, but in your last example it was impossible to do, so you are basically "blocking" the exit.
In F1 for example, in those cases (defense cut back) most of the time it looks like the attacker out-braked himself. Since F1 drivers are amazing they can make those cut backs work, "canceling" the attackers mistake. I mean when the attacker steams past the apex.
When he judges it perfectly (thinking Verstappen VS Leclerc in Red Bull Ring 2019)... Then it's super tricky. Personally I consider this to be secret option 3: the defending car should yield since "he's got you, son".

In my opinion cut backs are mostly when attacking on the outside. You then force the other car to go wide on exit, in order to outrun them on the way to the following corner. Here's an image from drivingfast.net (attacker in red).

 

[watto79]

Couple of observations about the next Nations race.

• The Stratos is quick but will still try and kill you.
• The Dino feels REALLY nice around here.
• Track limit penalties at the last corner exit are BRUTAL (up to 3s) but.....
• The penalty zone seems to be glitched. No matter how much of a penalty you have it seems to force you to serve a 0.5s penalty, full power is restored and then off you go.

Hope the penalty zone glitch doesn't carry over into the race. It should be less of a one make than the last N100 race we had too.

 

[GR33N]

The Dino seems to be the natural go-to car there but what about Honda S2000 or Toyota MR2 ?

I've never really paid attention to low-category cars tbh, especially the effect of "downgrading".

 

[Ashthebash]

Couple of observations about the next Nations race.

• The Stratos is quick but will still try and kill you.
• The Dino feels REALLY nice around here.
• Track limit penalties at the last corner exit are BRUTAL (up to 3s) but.....
• The penalty zone seems to be glitched. No matter how much of a penalty you have it seems to force you to serve a 0.5s penalty, full power is restored and then off you go.

Hope the penalty zone glitch doesn't carry over into the race. It should be less of a one make than the last N100 race we had too.

I'm not sure it is glitching, seems to slow you down then hold you at 62mph until the penalty is served, all penalty zones hold you at a certain speed if your penalty is big enough to get down to it, as we usually only deal with small penalties and are going much faster than that speed we rarely see it. Even a 3.5s penalty here is only actually costing around 1.5s due to the location of the penalty zone.

Looking at these races, while the Sardegna one could be fun, Laguna Seca boils my head and I can't be bothered with it. This seems like a good week to send my wheel back to get fixed - bloody off work as well

 

[watto79]

I'm not sure it is glitching, seems to slow you down then hold you at 62mph until the penalty is served, all penalty zones hold you at a certain speed if your penalty is big enough to get down to it, as we usually only deal with small penalties and are going much faster than that speed we rarely see it. Even a 3.5s penalty here is only actually costing around 1.5s due to the location of the penalty zone.

Looking at these races, while the Sardegna one could be fun, Laguna Seca boils my head and I can't be bothered with it. This seems like a good week to send my wheel back to get fixed - bloody off work as well

That makes sense about the penalty zone. The slower cars just reduce the affect of the penalties (which is still a problem).

Hope you get your wheel sorted soon. I really like Laguna Seca and going with Alfa Romeo should make it a potentially decent good scoring round.

 

[Roman_GT23]

Fix your game, PD.

Agreed but for different reasons. If you lay at night contemplating how serious you want to take this FIA series because one race you barely breathed on the rear bumper of another, or even touched the rear bumper with something soft like a pillow or a teddy bear and you get a one second penalty and another race you're working with someone through the field and since they have better straight line but you're better in the corners the person behind helps you by bump drafting down the straight and YOU (the car getting the bump draft) gets the one second penalty!?

Like no car should get ANY penalty for bump drafting (unless it's open wheel cars or maybe LMP cars because they would never work in real) life!!! I think I'm just going to do races I think I have a good shot in going forward and just say screw this game and it's constantly penalty system failures

-end rant-

 

[das89ca]

I DO hate having both Nations and Manufacturers Cup in the same day.

Nations Cup - Rd. 3

Had three tries, first two were pretty similar - messed up quali, putting both times a very modest 38.8 and started P14 and P16. Had a 4 stop strategy based on dropping the Mediums and Hards stints first and then catch up on the Softs. 1st slot I was on route to finish 8th, but I was pushed by another driver and spun so finished 12th. The second one,(in which our friend @LVS_1986 walzed from pole to win) I finished 9th, after I was 7th in the last lap and lost the rear after the first two turns if the track. Managed to save it, but lost the 2 places.

3rd slot - it would have been last no matter the result. I actually did a decent quali(36.8) and started in P6, 3 tenths below the pole. Started on Softs, planning to do 3 stints on Softs with 3 laps on mediums and 1 on Hards tucked in between depending on the standings in the race. The start was good, I gained a position right away when the guy in 5th messed a turn on cold tires. Then we broke away in a 5 cars group. I did not fight too much in order to not loose time but still gained another position when one of the cars in front took a penalty. First stint ended with me in 4th and I took another stint on Softs end of lap5. Because of other cars strategy, I was in 2nd after a few laps, chasing the Dutch leader and I tried to make a move at the righthander before the last chicane(he was on mediums) - getting alongside on the inside. He turned into me, not leaving any space which messed up my entry in the chicane - and lost two positions because of that. I followed the cars in front for another two laps and then had my two stints on hards and mediums. End of those stints found me in P5 chasing the cars in front. Gained one position on the outlap, and started chasing again the Dutch driver in 3rd. In front of us, there were two drivers with around 8-9s advantage but with a stop yet to do. I had a 2 lap battle with the Dutch driver until she made a mistake in the fast blind righthander and got a penalty in the process. I backed down, followed up closely - he served the penalty in the last lap, allowing me to overtake him easily and get 3rd over the finish line. The French guy who won, got a 60s penalty for not using the right tyres so my final position was a sweet 2nd, grabbing 109p.

Manu Cup - Dragontail

Not a good match for my Alfa. Had difficult times in Quali, being three times the fastest "handling" car in the room - but having absolutely no chance against the Supras, VGT's, AMG and M6's that thrives here.

First two races were bad, just bled DR and finished 14th and 16th(though here had a good race just - almost finishing 9th if not for the killer dive in the last corner of the race which sent me into the wall). In both races I was pushed in the first lap and sent last.

Third race, qualified in P11, below 5 AMG, 3GTRs, 1 McLaren F1 and 1 AM DB9. I actually had a nice enjoyable race as I struggled to keep the pace of the power cars, but my superior cornering speed and smart use of the GTR slipstream made me hope of a decent result. I had a nice 6 lap battle with a white GTR for the 7th position. All went to hell when another GTR and an M6 closed up and started making huge dives(like from almost 1s back in the right turn before the chicane of death) in the last 3 laps. As I was dodging their dives, getting out of the way, taking the turns after they overbraked - getting away in the chicane and being caught up right after on the straights - a Beetle joined the fight and then drove in the distance. In the end, after 4-5 dives I let them go, not tried to fight it anymore as it was pointless. I hoped they will crash together, but did not happened and I finished in P11.

I am starting to think that choosing Alfa for the season was a big mistake:
- the Group 3 car is a slower 911, very easy to drive, decent on the technical tracks but a no match for the power cars in the high speed tracks - this stage has plenty of those.
- the Group 4 car was great before the patch, but after it - it is very unstable and has a very loose rearend. I chose Alfa in order to have an advantage in the GR.4 cars but I can't drive the thing fast enough after the patch.

 

[GTWolverine]

I actually had decent pace the last time the Manufacturer's championship visited Laguna, but kept screwing up the turn before the run up to the corkscrew. I'll probably be practicing just that corner from now until Wednesday...

 

[GR33N]

I am starting to think that choosing Alfa for the season was a big mistake:
- the Group 3 car is a slower 911, very easy to drive, decent on the technical tracks but a no match for the power cars in the high speed tracks - this stage has plenty of those.
- the Group 4 car was great before the patch, but after it - it is very unstable and has a very loose rearend. I chose Alfa in order to have an advantage in the GR.4 cars but I can't drive the thing fast enough after the patch.

I made the same observation after round 1 at Suzuka where I struggled to keep the Gr.4 on the track. Let's see if it was just a bad day or if it repeats at Laguna Seca where it was pretty "dominant" last month in the same race conditions... Actually, the Gr.4 lost 0.1 point in stability after the patch (5.8 to 5.7 iirc but that shouldn't be so noticeable).

Both cars are still good with tyre wear and fuel consumption though, it makes up a little for their lack of top speed at races with high multipliers (which is less the case in this round...).

 

[Groundfish]

First of all I'd like to say that I'm by no means a perfect example and get it wrong regularly! So definitely not judging, and I appreciate you being open so we can discuss on that never ending topic. I always love this since it is so close to "the essence of overtaking".

When committing to an overtake on the inside, I see two options:
1. If by the end of the braking zone you are not mostly alongside, you are supposed to yield.
2. If you are alongside, the other driver must give you space, just like you must be prepared to give the defending car space. That means being able to turn in narrow so the other car has space on the outside. Which is super hard to do on that sharp Barcelona left hander.

With great awareness, in some cases the defending car could let the attacker run wide and do a cut back, but in your last example it was impossible to do, so you are basically "blocking" the exit.
In F1 for example, in those cases (defense cut back) most of the time it looks like the attacker out-braked himself. Since F1 drivers are amazing they can make those cut backs work, "canceling" the attackers mistake. I mean when the attacker steams past the apex.
When he judges it perfectly (thinking Verstappen VS Leclerc in Red Bull Ring 2019)... Then it's super tricky. Personally I consider this to be secret option 3: the defending car should yield since "he's got you, son".

In my opinion cut backs are mostly when attacking on the outside. You then force the other car to go wide on exit, in order to outrun them on the way to the following corner. Here's an image from drivingfast.net (attacker in red).
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Jmo but that represents the incorrect way to attempt to overtake on inside.
Nothing the outside car did forces the inside car anywhere.
The inside car made the mistake there. It’s shown that way as an example of exactly what not to do in the book.

 

[Lewmatic]

Round 3: Started 15 finished 10th. Couldn't get a good qualifying time as I knew Dragon Trail was going to be chaos in the first few laps leading to the chicanes and it never failed. A laggy driver also made things a little hairy but I survived the madness. I probably could have finished higher if a went in pits earlier for the MR tires but hey top 10 finish again.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Rookie question: can you change which of your contract manufacturer’s cars you drive? Or if you pick the Z4 Gr3 car as a BMW driver, are you stuck with it or can you drive the M6 too?