FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[LogSwapper]

The OP Gr4 Mitsu got nerfed, nice.

 

[stpatty]

https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/news/00_1197603.html

Big fan of the Nissans both becoming less powerful. That's just what they needed. Famine no doubt seething that the Gr.4 Atenza goes untouched.

 

[Pigems]

Has anyone tried the Gr.4 Alfa yet since the update?

 

[Adam Barber]

https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gtsport/news/00_1197603.html

Big fan of the Nissans both becoming less powerful. That's just what they needed. Famine no doubt seething that the Gr.4 Atenza goes untouched.

To be honest the group 3 nissan was such a pain in the backside to overtake, even if you were faster over a lap.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I also need a new name for the "4 lefts".

We call them "The Four Brothers". If one doesn't get you another one will.

About the BOP again so fast I think it's because of the change in tires and handling in gr 3 and 4 they need to redial it

 

[Timm Sheehan]

Reading a lot of the posts regarding the last Manufacture's race it sounds like it went well for most. I stayed in the pit box for this one as I couldn't keep the Citroen off the walls. It was an interesting course to practice. Maybe next time I will join in and give someone a run for the points.

Not sure about the upcoming Nation's Cup at Nürburgring GP. I bought the 1.8M Cr. Pagani but not too impressed with my ability to handle it. The Manufacturer's race at Spa is a favorite of mine and I think I might even crack the top ten this week.

First is another race at Kyoto - this should be fun one.

Have fun, enjoying the racing.

 

[Granadier]

“M6 would you like some pancakes?”
“No thank you. I’m on a diet.”

M4:

 

[Jwptexas]

Great after putting in a few laps on Spa before turning in for the night I wake up to the Mustang getting taken down a notch. Didn't it already suck? Oh well, at least no changes to the Ford GT.

Hot lapped 2:28.710 after few laps last night. Looks like no stopper with minimal fuel savings. I was in the top 100 few weeks ago at Spa in the GT, let's hope I can replicate that success! Spa is one of my favorites I'll be all in this weekend.

 

[GTWolverine]

Well, the Gr. 3 Corvette lost more weight, even though it was already a decent car. The Gr. 4 car is unchanged, but now I'm worried it's going to be back to being woefully uncompetitive like it was before the previous BoP update.

Also, holy crap what did they do to the TT? It's like the last BoP change to the Gr. 4 4C, except in the opposite direction.

Great after putting in a few laps on Spa before turning in for the night I wake up to the Mustang getting taken down a notch. Didn't it already suck? Oh well, at least no changes to the Ford GT.

Yeah I haven't seen too many Gr. 4 Mustangs recently, and never really at the front of the field either. Reminds me of IMSA nerfing the C7.Rs last season despite them not even winning a race in over a year...

 

[Trone_Colby]

A decent race. Got hit L1T1 as usual. I fell back from 7th to 17th. Had to fight back up.

 

[das89ca]

Well, the Gr. 3 Corvette lost more weight, even though it was already a decent car. The Gr. 4 car is unchanged, but now I'm worried it's going to be back to being woefully uncompetitive like it was before the previous BoP update.

Also, holy crap what did they do to the TT? It's like the last BoP change to the Gr. 4 4C, except in the opposite direction.

I think the FF were changed quite good: less power so they are not that OP on the straights, less weight to help with the tyre usage. In theory at least.

 

[KosmoKazi]

“M6 would you like some pancakes?”
“No thank you. I’m on a diet.”

M4:
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Now that's funny! Some odd quirks within this BoP update, and that's one that jumped out right away.

Well, the Gr. 3 Corvette lost more weight, even though it was already a decent car. The Gr. 4 car is unchanged, but now I'm worried it's going to be back to being woefully uncompetitive like it was before the previous BoP update.

Also, holy crap what did they do to the TT? It's like the last BoP change to the Gr. 4 4C, except in the opposite direction.

TT change is really odd, given that it was already pretty stout as evidenced in the recent Nations race at DTG-II.

Corvette keeps getting some love on the whole, though, makes me wonder if they are buttering up the Chevy guys in preparation for adding the C8/C8.R as a featured car in the series soon. Would love to see it! I'd likely give up my Porsche ride for that (don't tell them, though!).

 

[RX8 Racer]

Has anyone tried the Gr.4 Alfa yet since the update?

It's a lot better now. The back end is still a bit too loose for my liking, but it can be managed with careful throttle and steering input. I was able to clock a time 5 seconds off the top 10 in the Spa time trial (my usual target when preparing for a FIA/Supra race), which seems promising for the Alfa.

I'll give Spa a shot this weekend and see how it goes.

 

[Jwptexas]

Well, the Gr. 3 Corvette lost more weight, even though it was already a decent car. The Gr. 4 car is unchanged, but now I'm worried it's going to be back to being woefully uncompetitive like it was before the previous BoP update.

Also, holy crap what did they do to the TT? It's like the last BoP change to the Gr. 4 4C, except in the opposite direction.

Yeah I haven't seen too many Gr. 4 Mustangs recently, and never really at the front of the field either. Reminds me of IMSA nerfing the C7.Rs last season despite them not even winning a race in over a year...

It's been like driving a toaster all year as one person put it, lol. I can't get good results at all usually take the day off when it comes to gr4. It's so much fun being in the slipstream and getting pulled all the same

 

[ASH32]

I sort of get most of the Gr4 changes, in theory at least, apart from the Vantage, SLS and Lancer changes but Gr3 is strange going off the weekly race last week at Fuji.

Viper, Vantage, Vette and 911 were all running solid all week, they've all been improved, what are they comparing them to? Is there a very op car hiding somewhere or something, I doubt anyone driving these cars in Manufacturers think they needed a good boost.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Well, the Gr. 3 Corvette lost more weight, even though it was already a decent car. The Gr. 4 car is unchanged, but now I'm worried it's going to be back to being woefully uncompetitive like it was before the previous BoP update.

Also, holy crap what did they do to the TT? It's like the last BoP change to the Gr. 4 4C, except in the opposite direction.

Yeah I haven't seen too many Gr. 4 Mustangs recently, and never really at the front of the field either. Reminds me of IMSA nerfing the C7.Rs last season despite them not even winning a race in over a year...

I was doing ok with the Mustang in my DR. I think it will still be ok but the test will show..

 

[barak181]

Big BOP update, Gr.4 especially. TL;DR GT-R gets nerfed again, Atenza finally gets nerfed, 911 and RC-F get buffed for no reason. Basically 15 cars in Gr.4 get reduced power but also reduced weight.
4C gets its weight buffed again but its power is reduced, the TT is literally 1000 kg. See for yourself.
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/news/00_1197603.html

Gr 4 RCZ got a much needed nerfing but even I think they might have overdone it. 8% HP is one heck of a nerf at one go.

Wow, really made the FF cars a lot lighter and less powerful. I think that is a good idea tbh as it makes the tyre wear a little more even with the MR and FR cars, and should reduce their brutal straight-line advantage.

I'm increasingly in the camp that they should just break off FF cars into their own group already. A lot of problems solved, right there.

 

[wedjim]

Happy to see the Corvette lost 30 lbs in GR3, should be fun next race.

The Audi TT lost 20 hp, and 200Lbs!!! It should be faster with less tire wear. Look out. I thought before it turned a little better than the RCZ and was slightly better on front tires from less sliding. Even though the Peugeot seemed to qualify a couple tenths faster.

should be an interesting weekend.

 

[dlshearon]

I was doing ok with the Mustang in my DR. I think it will still be ok but the test will show..

Same here. DR B/C. Did they change the Gr.3 Stang any?

Edit: never mind seen the link above.

 

[Pigems]

Gr 4 RCZ got a much needed nerfing but even I think they might have overdone it. 8% HP is one heck of a nerf at one go.

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I'm increasingly in the camp that they should just break off FF cars into their own group already. A lot of problems solved, right there.

I’m pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that the weight change has somewhere around twice as much effect on the car as the power change.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Have to assume the upcoming race at Spa had a big hand in the timing and severity/nature of the BoP changes. FWD cars were set to walk away with it, if they didn't do anything, I'd guess.

EDIT/ADD:

Interesting that the top 3 in terms of HP/weight are:

Gr3:
Aston Martin DBR9 GT1 '10
Ford Mustang Gr.3
Hyundai Genesis Gr.3

Gr4:
Audi TT Cup '16
Renault Sport Mégane Gr.4
Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4

...given that these are not the most popular or at the top of the better performing brands.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Same here. DR B/C. Did they change the Gr.3 Stang any?

Edit: never mind seen the link above.

We're in the same bracket most of the time.
Seems to have similar feelings about the Mustang too
The Gr 3 is the same as before, and I already like it a lot.
The Gr 4 lost 1% but I am somewhat confident that it will still be ok.

 

[MIE1992]

I’m thinking of going 10M/5S on that Zonda R one-make this Saturday, thoughts? I also gotta admit I’m looking forward to the Gr.4 race at Spa-Francorchamps for the Manufacturers Series, too.

 

[dlshearon]

We're in the same bracket most of the time.
Seems to have similar feelings about the Mustang too
The Gr 3 is the same as before, and I already like it a lot.
The Gr 4 lost 1% but I am somewhat confident that it will still be ok.

Yes! They are my go to cars. Stable, fast, and great brakes.

Saturday is a short day for me at work so I’ll be at Spa. Way too rusty but ah well.

 

[Ashthebash]

Have to assume the upcoming race at Spa had a big hand in the timing and severity/nature of the BoP changes. FWD cars were set to walk away with it, if they didn't do anything, I'd guess.





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Don't think FF have ever been quick around Spa when tyre wear is involved. The little run I practiced, I'd guess the FF cars would have been struggling for tyres by the half way point

I’m pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that the weight change has somewhere around twice as much effect on the car as the power change.

After seeing how much a 1% increase in weight has hurt the SLS I'd tend to agree!

Part of me wonders if they're balancing the performance to balance the cars out over the whole season. The Alfa seemed the best by a mile at the start, now it's... not. So I wonder if those people suffering now will get some BoP boosts later in the year that will suddenly propel their car towards the front of the grid

 

[SlowDriver87]

I'm not sure my Merc needed an extra 15kg! I'm fine with little adjustments here and there, cars can change throughout a season. I have however gone from really looking forward to Spa on Saturday to dreading it! Now part of it is me (very tired) but I can't get within half a second of my times from yesterday

Same. I had just got to grips with the Merc at Interlagos and found it fairly competitive too!

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Went out for a spin in the Gr.4 Mustang to see how much today's BoP changes affect it. Not too concerned about the power decrease, but still feel it can do with a further weight deduction to compensate. Interesting that it remains more powerful than the M4, F-Type, Vantage and Viper, and lighter than the SLS, yet is beaten by the Lexus on both counts.

Test lobby time was a 25:10.825 with one track limits penalty and 7% fuel on the line. Fastest lap was a 2:29.965; best FP time so far a 2:28.485.

 

[watto79]

I’m thinking of going 10M/5S on that Zonda R one-make this Saturday, thoughts? I also gotta admit I’m looking forward to the Gr.4 race at Spa-Francorchamps for the Manufacturers Series, too.

The medium tyres seems to be a good 1 second a lap slower than the softs. I did a tyre wear run and was thinking the reverse of your strategy. 10S/5M. 10 laps seemed to be about right for the overlap to the softs being about the same pace as the mediums. It's worth saving as much fuel as you can too to speed up your pitstop.

You just need to decide how long you're comfortable running the soft tyres for though.

I've not looked at a flat out 2 stop strategy. Could be viable but will almost certainly put you in traffic.

 

[Ashthebash]

Went out for a spin in the Gr.4 Mustang to see how much today's BoP changes affect it. Not too concerned about the power decrease, but still feel it can do with a further weight deduction to compensate. Interesting that it remains more powerful than the M4, F-Type, Vantage and Viper, and lighter than the SLS, yet is beaten by the Lexus on both counts.

Test lobby time was a 25:10.825 with one track limits penalty and 7% fuel on the line. Fastest lap was a 2:29.965; best FP time so far a 2:28.485.

That's very similar to the time I'd expect to clock in the Merc (judging by one lap pace and tyre deg - haven't done a race test yet). Yesterday, lobby practice with fuel off I was consistent mid 2:28s, this morning after the update I think the fastest I managed was a 2:29.2. That's a big drop off in performance for what was really only a solid top half car anyway

Edit: Ran a lobby

A nailed lap with fuel off got me just into the 2:28s on six lap old tyres - so almost half a second slower than before the update. However, not actually losing too much time for the race. Started at the front (hate random starts but benefitted from this one so I'll take it!) and did a clean 25:02 for total race time. Most laps in the 2:29s with a best of 2:29.4. Looking at other cars, worst for tyres was unsurprisingly an Audi but it was more than manageable, maybe 25% worn by the end. I've no doubt the Audi before the update would have hurt its tyres too much by L7.

We'll see how it all pans out. Hopes for Saturday aren't as high as they were before the update but I might be competitive if I can do the unthinkable and have a good qualifying session

 

[Razgriz2118]

Given the straights on Spa, power cars will be more suited for this Manufacturers race, right? I'm wondering how competitive the Cayman will be around Spa since I'm going to be a little limited on testing time.