FIA Race Discussion [Archive]

[Ashthebash]

I totally forgot about how fuel would play into the strategy. I don't think I could get 18 laps out of a tank of fuel anyway, so I'm 2-stopping regardless.

Yeah it would make a huge difference if you only have say, 15 laps of fuel. Four laps on the hards would just be too damaging and you'd have to two stop.

To compare it though I just had a really good lobby with a guy who I see regularly in FIA races and our laps in practice/qualy were very similar, if anything he generally had a slight speed advantage in the GT-R, although I out qualified him. I did 18M, he did 4M 14S. He was 2.2s behind me when he pitted, and despite having a clear run at me with no traffic, was 3.7s behind at the end of L18 (he did make a small mistake that cost him around 1.5s). So if you can run it, it's a very viable option to jump up a few places if you need them. If you're at the front get the quick tyres on and push for all you're worth!

 

[watto79]

Who here among ye are the brave, honorable souls that will be using their main account for Tuesday's race?
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If it wasn't so near the end of the season I'd probably think better of it.....but hell yeah I'm all in!

But still... I hope I don't regret it

 

[HaydenFan69]

Only problem is that hanging at the back of the pack means that even if you manage to avoid carnage in front of you, with the reduced slipstream range, if the middle of the pack gets wiped out, you're now separated from the leaders with no way to catch back up.

Like I had pointed out in another post, running in the back is a way to go, but maintaining that the back is the back of the lead pack. In a couple of rooms last night, I noticed the field broke up. So instead of a 10-12 car pack, we had a couple of a 3-4 car groups. Light lifting won't drop you back out of the slipstream, and will allow you to hold a position.

Just try to sit back and let the race unfold for about a lap and a half. Trying to race to the front or remain in the front will just lead to a crash. You are not going to pull away unless the field behind you all crash. Mileage-wise, it's just as long as most FIA races, so take your time.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Looking forward to hearing the first reports of the Nations race from brave Oceania players tomorrow morning. They’re the true heroes for always having to do FIA races first.

 

[05XR8]

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Don't get me wrong, I like the variety - I'd just rather they do it in the daily races rather than bore us to death with another week of Fuji Group 2 and Nurburgring Group 3.

Whereas by putting it as a nine minute Nations race...you get a total of 45 minutes of something different.

On a side note, have Saudi players made a blood oath to only race on SSRX? Almost all the SSRX rooms are hosted by them.

See? I believe it the same players hosting the most back in GT6!

 

[GTWolverine]

Yeah it would make a huge difference if you only have say, 15 laps of fuel. Four laps on the hards would just be too damaging and you'd have to two stop.

To compare it though I just had a really good lobby with a guy who I see regularly in FIA races and our laps in practice/qualy were very similar, if anything he generally had a slight speed advantage in the GT-R, although I out qualified him. I did 18M, he did 4M 14S. He was 2.2s behind me when he pitted, and despite having a clear run at me with no traffic, was 3.7s behind at the end of L18 (he did make a small mistake that cost him around 1.5s). So if you can run it, it's a very viable option to jump up a few places if you need them. If you're at the front get the quick tyres on and push for all you're worth!

I might have to try hot lapping with Mediums in free practice again to see if I can get the gap down. The Mediums were about 1.3s slower than the Softs the last time I tried them, but at the Nations round at RBR, the difference between the Mediums and Hards was only around 0.8s, so I was expecting a similar gap between the Softs and Mediums.

 

[Pigems]

Who here among ye are the brave, honorable souls that will be using their main account for Tuesday's race?
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I will be, it sucks that we can’t run meme liveries though.

 

[elston87]

Ran a couple (10 ~) races on SSRX in a few different lobbies - yep staying away from this race completely. I predict massive SR down arrows during the races. I experienced people not understanding slipstream (within the current penalty system's guidelines) and nearly half the field's race was over once we hit the high banks (can you say wreckfest). If you are brave enough - good luck.

That's why I'm so curious about how the actual races are going to go down. I haven't done any practice on the course with the allotted cars and am going in blind! It's going to be a whole different kind of race around this gigantic "oval" with different driving strategies at play around this circuit. I'll be viewing it as a live version of Gran Turismo 4's Mission 23, complete with myself behind the wheel of an R34!

Who here among ye are the brave, honorable souls that will be using their main account for Tuesday's race?
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Me!

 

[rhcpeppers]

I will be, it sucks that we can run meme liveries though.

I will be too. I ran a few one-make custom races in a variety of cars vs. AI over the weekend. While these weren't the cars with the settings we'll use tomorrow, it did give me a chance to get a feel for the slipstream and it was great fun! I particularly enjoyed the Chevy Nova one-make race . We'll see how it goes racing with real people.

I'm a NASCAR fan, so this is the closest I'll get to Talladega in GT Sport! I agree that custom liveries would have been a great addition to our replays.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I see. So this “seamless” label is reserved for cars with a dual-clutch transmission, right?

If that term was to be used... DCT's and also traditional automatics would both qualify. A planetary automatic transmission, like most production cars have, with a torque converter, would also be 'seamless' as there is never a decoupling of the engine to the trans/driveline. Though no Gr3 or Gr4 race cars AFAIK would be outfitted with a traditional automatic.

The Corvette, Mustang, and I'm sure some others in the game (road car versions only) would have 'traditional automatics' with torque converters as "AT" vehicles IRL. But like I said, I don't know if the game really models them.

FYI: DCT were really brought to prominence with Audi TT / VW Golf R, Nissan GT-R, BMW, and Ferrari over the last 20 years. They were originally developed for Gr C and F1 racing cars, famously by Porsche in the former case, but outlawed immediately when those original designs were proven to be way too advantageous vs automated and manual single clutch transmissions...

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

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This is the only race I'll enter on my main account

I've been building DR for a couple of weeks just to get into the top split and cause a ruckus

 

[05XR8]

Some GTLeague liveries, for Nations, would add a bit of variety.
I'd have wanted to put the HKS livery on the R33.

 

[GR33N]

In the few races I've done since the last update, I haven't noticed any penalty being given for bump-drafting on a straight, but a lot for little taps on the rear in corners.

Is bump-drafting really going to be a problem tomorrow? Also can we trust lobby races in terms of penalties?

 

[MCL1974]

maybe a silly question: what is the deal with TCS? Is setting it on 0 really improving your laptimes or is it just to decrease tyrewear? I tried driving with it at 0 but every mistake means an appointment with the barrier. ( I usually have it at 2. )

Is it really needed to set it to 0 or is it more of a macho thing? Afterall, racingcars have TCS to improve their performance?

asking for a friend.....

 

[HaydenFan69]

maybe a silly question: what is the deal with TCS? Is setting it on 0 really improving your laptimes or is it just to decrease tyrewear? I tried driving with it at 0 but every mistake means an appointment with the barrier. ( I usually have it at 2. )

Is it really needed to set it to 0 or is it more of a macho thing? Afterall, racingcars have TCS to improve their performance?

asking for a friend.....

For SSRX, or just in general?

I noticed at default TCS3 with the Ferrari 458 for the Nation's race when I was going into the turns on the bottom, TC would kick in if I pushed too hard, even if it wasn't needed.

But in general, it will improve your take off out of corners having it turned off. But all depends on driver and car, as it does not work for everyone with every car. GTS's main issue is how the TC works. It is not very good as it can be extremely harsh when activated.

As for it being a dick measuring contest, some cases it is. One kid brags after every race he how he runs without TC. Yet IDK how he is a 60K DR driver as he doesn't do better than last in any lobby I've race against him in.

 

[MCL1974]

For SSRX, or just in general?

I noticed at default TCS3 with the Ferrari 458 for the Nation's race when I was going into the turns on the bottom, TC would kick in if I pushed too hard, even if it wasn't needed.

But in general, it will improve your take off out of corners having it turned off. But all depends on driver and car, as it does not work for everyone with every car. GTS's main issue is how the TC works. It is not very good as it can be extremely harsh when activated.

As for it being a dick measuring contest, some cases it is. One kid brags after every race he how he runs with TC. Yet IDK how he is a 60K DR driver as he doesn't do better than last in any lobby I've race against him in.

more or less in general, not touching that SSRX race with a ten foot pole!!! (curious though!!!)

Asking because I am having a lot of trouble getting the Renault RSO thourgh turn 2 at the Red Bull Ring. I tried in setting 1 as suggested earlier, in 2 as i usually have but still had trouble keeping control in the car. I have tried with setting 4 and it seems to be better but i feel that in this setting i have trouble navigating the other corners. Not really confident in my abilities to switch setting during the race though....

Might just be that the RSO is a bitch to drive???

And did notice that some brag about setting all aids to 0 and judging those who dont.

Additional: cool avatar. Was also a big Nicky Hayden fan. excellent driver and an awesome character. loved to imitate his accent and still very sad about his passing.....

 

[deviln3]

Cant adjust the transmission for nations cup?

 

[Pigems]

Cant adjust the transmission for nations cup?

Nope, they are set to higher than normal though. We just did some testing, here’s a preview of what tomorrow night will bring.

 

[Winnie847]

Nice win. Looks like maybe the guy you beat was protecting old H's after no-stopping? If so, looks like he made out better on the strategy, which makes me feel better in that it wasn't a terrible idea... but worse if he was able to make it work for 2nd place when I fell from 6th to 11th in my race when trying it!

actually he was on the same strategy as me, mediums first then hards, but he pitted one lap earlier than I did so mine were a little fresher.

funny thing is, what actually happened is that he was low on fuel. when he pitted, he was 1 lap short on fuel, which was probably a result of revving a lot during the intro, using 2nd gear too much (3rd was best through the chicane) and holding 5th on the long straights instead of shifting to 6th. Not everybody had fuel issues but 2 guys in that race said they did, but I didn't even have to consider it because of how I was driving it. Once he started short-shifting I caught up pretty quickly on the 2nd stint. It also didn't help him much that he and his teammate were slowing us all down by trading positions. No idea why they did that and thought it would work. they were on different tire compounds and were trying to stay together but then they ended up with the harder compound runner in front through the Esses and softer compound guy in front through the later part of the track...which is backwards if you want to try that strat. If the medium tire guy had stayed ahead on the first stint and the hard tire guy did his best to hold me up, I probably wouldn't have won or been even close enough to contend....but all those things, on top of the actual mistakes he made on some of his lines and braking, cost him the win for sure.

 

[sturk0167]

I just did a bunch of SSRX practice races in the lobby. For the most part, the races were pretty calm and orderly, but a couple of times, the final turn ended up like this.


The silver car turned down on me just a tiny bit, but that's all it takes. You can't do anything. You're just along for the ride.

 

[Redneckchef]

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After Brands Indy gave me a DR reset I am definitely going in as another one won't matter if it is a plenty fest. That reset finished my FIA season as there will be no way to get into a lobby high enough to score points for me again unless I win (not likely with my track record at the upcoming tracks) so it is bombs away. Only have 1 shot though as I will be switching from night shift to morning that night.

Time for Captain Chaos!!!

 

[05XR8]

After Brands Indy gave me a DR reset I am definitely going in as another one won't matter if it is a plenty fest. That reset finished my FIA season as there will be no way to get into a lobby high enough to score points for me again unless I win (not likely with my track record at the upcoming tracks) so it is bombs away. Only have 1 shot though as I will be switching from night shift to morning that night.

Time for Captain Chaos!!!

Yeah, more sedans and wagons would make it more fun. Stagea versus M5 and everything in-between.

 

[Ashthebash]

I just did a bunch of SSRX practice races in the lobby. For the most part, the races were pretty calm and orderly, but a couple of times, the final turn ended up like this.


The silver car turned down on me just a tiny bit, but that's all it takes. You can't do anything. You're just along for the ride.

My ride was better than your ride!!

And it was just the slightest tap - far less contact than you had at the start of the vid. (Also some lag has played a part because it looks slightly different from my replay!) I can see that kind of thing happening in the races on the last turn though, lots of cars in a small space on a knife edge when it comes to balance

Edit: I also predict lots of misdirected anger and arguments after the race! It's so close and fast you have no idea who was involved or how an accident happened. There was a Brazilian on the outside in that incident minding his own business and my car literally ploughed straight into the side of him with no warning - he would not have had a clue what happened

 

[HaydenFan69]

Additional: cool avatar. Was also a big Nicky Hayden fan. excellent driver and an awesome character. loved to imitate his accent and still very sad about his passing.....

Thanks, it's the twang. Something about southern America born riders in Grand Prix racing.

@Ashthebash, if I don't see that once in any of the races tomorrow I'll be truly upset.

 

[sturk0167]

My ride was better than your ride!!

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And it was just the slightest tap - far less contact than you had at the start of the vid. (Also some lag has played a part because it looks slightly different from my replay!) I can see that kind of thing happening in the races on the last turn though, lots of cars in a small space on a knife edge when it comes to balance

Edit: I also predict lots of misdirected anger and arguments after the race! It's so close and fast you have no idea who was involved or how an accident happened. There was a Brazilian on the outside in that incident minding his own business and my car literally ploughed straight into the side of him with no warning

Nice air! Yeah, that jerk Pigems gave me a shot.
Not your fault at all. There just happened to be a car on my right rear at the same my left front touched you. It was the perfect recipe for disaster.

 

[Ashthebash]

Nice air!
Not your fault at all. There just happened to be a car on my right rear at the same my left front touched you. It was the perfect recipe for disaster.

Ah don't worry, it wasn't anyone's fault. Just one of those things that can happen at 250mph (which would have probably killed at least two drivers!) when the servers are trying to predict positions. I might upload the incident viewing from your car but how my Playstation saw it just to demonstrate subtle differences when there's some lag. That kind of contact you would normally be ok but at these speeds with cars that are a bit 'bouncy', before I knew it I'd got a one way ticket to the moon!

Rule for tomorrow is stay safe and wait until the final corner, then close your eyes and hope for the best!

 

[FANCY CLOWN]

I know the 458 is the best for SSRX without slipstream and the Skylines have a tiny bit of an advantage on them in the slipstream. Do any of the cars have enough of a disadvantage to the point that you can't pass a 458/Skyline even with slipstream?

 

[sturk0167]

I hope that our friends in the Asian region can give us some reports tomorrow about how it goes with penalties at SSRX.

 

[KosmoKazi]

actually he was on the same strategy as me, mediums first then hards, but he pitted one lap earlier than I did so mine were a little fresher.

funny thing is, what actually happened is that he was low on fuel. when he pitted, he was 1 lap short on fuel, which was probably a result of revving a lot during the intro, using 2nd gear too much (3rd was best through the chicane) and holding 5th on the long straights instead of shifting to 6th. Not everybody had fuel issues but 2 guys in that race said they did, but I didn't even have to consider it because of how I was driving it. Once he started short-shifting I caught up pretty quickly on the 2nd stint. It also didn't help him much that he and his teammate were slowing us all down by trading positions. No idea why they did that and thought it would work. they were on different tire compounds and were trying to stay together but then they ended up with the harder compound runner in front through the Esses and softer compound guy in front through the later part of the track...which is backwards if you want to try that strat. If the medium tire guy had stayed ahead on the first stint and the hard tire guy did his best to hold me up, I probably wouldn't have won or been even close enough to contend....but all those things, on top of the actual mistakes he made on some of his lines and braking, cost him the win for sure.

That’s weird. I wasn’t even close on fuel in either of my races.

I guess I’m easier on fuel than average normally but that race never seemed to put fuel in question.

I was able to pull away from anyone behind me every lap coming out of the hairpin… key was to put it in 3rd in the apex. Any time someone gained a little on me, I’d get it all back and then some by being consistent that way. I guess it saved some fuel and was faster.

 

[Razgriz2118]

For Manufacturer's, in lobbies with fuel use on, what kind of lap time differences are people getting between Softs and Mediums? As I said above, I'm only able to crack a high-mid 1:28 with Softs and a full load of fuel, and a low-mid 1:29 with Mediums, and with my driving style, the Softs start to go off around Lap 10. Would a 2 stop still be worth it with this kind of time difference? I feel like I'm not using enough of the Softs' grip.

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Me, because I don't have an alt, and because I might have a chance of winning some good points, or I may just hang back and watch the chaos unfold. Normally I'm pretty cautious with my DR/SR, but sometimes, you gotta risk it for the biscuit. And also all the memes.

If it wasn't so near the end of the season I'd probably think better of it.....but hell yeah I'm all in!

But still... I hope I don't regret it

Literally me right now lol, despite the risk of this race I probably have a better shot scoring good points here than any of the rest of the Stage 3 races.

I might have to try hot lapping with Mediums in free practice again to see if I can get the gap down. The Mediums were about 1.3s slower than the Softs the last time I tried them, but at the Nations round at RBR, the difference between the Mediums and Hards was only around 0.8s, so I was expecting a similar gap between the Softs and Mediums.

That sounds about right from my Free Practice times, I was able to lap consistently in the low 1:28s with softs and consistently in the high 1:28s on the mediums for around 0.8s or so of an average gap. In a lobby with fuel though, I only had a difference of around 0.5s, but I was running with a full tank on my Soft stints and a half-empty tank on my Medium stinkts.

I will be, it sucks that we can’t run meme liveries though.

Choose blue for your color, gotta go fast!

And to all of the Asia/Oceania players here who will be going first in the Nation's meme race tomorrow: Godspeed. Please let all of us EMEA/Americas players know of what happens and if maybe we shouldn't partake or not