Gran Turismo 6 Save Data Exposed... Open To Hackers / Modders?

[ukfan758]

I consider people who make outrageous cheat vehicles "hackers." I consider people who make harmless vehicles meant to be fun, look good, or correct an engine sound to be "modders." "Hackers" have a negative context so I use it to label the negative group of people. "Modders" do have a negative context, but it doesn't sound as serious as hackers do.

I really hope the stigma of modders ends soon. It's really getting on my nerves seeing so many people vehemently against modded "for fun" cars. I think a portion of the hatred comes from people that never got their own custom cars.

I never used the hacked/modded cars in GT5 and it was very annoying during the hacking era because there was hardly any rooms with non-hackers. That's why I have such a bad taste of them.

 

[TorqueWrench]

I hope these hackers (quit calling yourselves modders for those who are, you're hackers), do not ruin the game like they did GT5 with their pathetic 40,000 hp cars and super modified downforce and settings. PD better permanently ban them if they dare go online.

What makes you think all "Modders" build silly HP cars? The most HP in my garage is my AMS Alpha -12 GTR with the same HP as the real car. BTW its more modding than it is hacking. I've. Also never been online with a modded car in GT6. I'm against hybrids online.

 

[ukfan758]

What makes you think all "Modders" build silly HP cars? The most HP in my garage is my AMS Alpha -12 GTR with the same HP as the real car. BTW its more modding than it is hacking.

I never said that "all" hackers used the silly HP cars. I was specifically mentioning the super high HP cars and the ridiculous downforce and other settings changed.

 

[TorqueWrench]

I never said that "all" hackers used the silly HP cars. I was specifically mentioning the super high HP cars and the ridiculous downforce and other settings changed.

We all get a laugh at them. The same guys who put RS tires on their 400pp bad boys.

 

[Quakebass]

Lol... what are they gonna do? Not sell us anymore games?

Good luck with that.

No, but they could start producing games without certain assets because of bad air created between the manufacturers.

I've had my game save injected with 40,000,000 credits twice now (Yes, I had double the money cap). I'm not about to pay real money in return for game money, simple as that.

I was in no way defending the "pay to win" style that GT6 takes (in fact I actually said I was against it in another post), I was pointing out the legal trouble it could encompass (and that was even in the part you quoted, right before the bold), that because in this iteration credit packs can be purchased, modification of credit count could potentially be seen as theft, and there could be stronger ramifications on the modder than those placed on modified assets, like a full-on account ban. I never said that it was a very ethical concept, only that they were fair from a legal standpoint.

There's a difference between legal and ethical fairness I was trying to put across, but I guess I didn't make very clear.

 

[HuskyGT]

Dirty V8 in a JDM car?

Typical 'murican ideology...

Oh and sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't engine swap in GT6, PD tied the engine code to the body code, in other words they can't be seperated. Only engine "sound" is swappable, but it will still act and feel like the original engine, because well, it is.

Wait what?!! Oh hell yes!!! If PD never fixed the old GTS Viper, than I'll finally be able to fix it myself (and other cars too)!! Modders, thank you so much!!! Now I feel like I want to play the game again!!

 

[JDM_Tuning_S3OZ]

How can it be?

1: Illegal.
2: Hacking and modifying content - PD already behind with features and delivery, will make it worse.
3: Destroys the enjoyment for the people who still play online.

It doesn't destroy the environment for everyone, you probably race where people use mods to cheat. Us drifters use mods to make the cars look good and have realistic engine swaps

 

[Master__Shake_]

The only upside I could see to a garage editor for OFW, other than the obvious infinite credits, would be drivetrain/powertrain swaps. We would be able to swap AWD cars to RWD, or vice versa for accurate clone cars like the Gallardo Balboni or engine swaps for the Shelby GT500 instead of the weak 350 in the game right now.

The majority of the people who will get a hold of the OFW editor, however, will most likely abuse it to create massively overpowered cars to troll online rooms and ruin seasonal time trials. PD knew this was coming, with the encryption of save files & never including trading in the game, but they've done very little to keep up with it and now we will see an influx of these people once the editor is released. It's a shame that players want to ruin others' gameplay instead of simply staying offline and enjoying their creations.

 

[TorqueWrench]

PD is fast to Bann, let's hope the dumb dumbs keep it offline if for no other reason to keep their PSN name active.

A lot of cool stuff that's all real

Ruf Rims on my Bug, with engine that sounds and performs more like a BTR

 

[BlazeTheCat05]

PD is fast to Bann, let's hope the dumb dumbs keep it offline if for no other reason to keep their PSN name active.

A lot of cool stuff that's all real

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Ruf Rims on my Bug, with engine that sounds and performs more like a BTR

OH MY GAWD HOW DAER YOU DO DAT TO A VW BUG IMMA REPORT YOO!! HACK3R!
Nah just joking. That is seriously one sexy Bug. Makes me miss the "Used Wheel Dealer" from GT4.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

#NotallModders

 

[flynch3211]

About drivetrain swaps... The first forza game allowed yoi to do that... In a way. I remember that the R32 skyline, wich was RWD, becomes a full AWD when upgrading the differential... Something should be done like that no??

 

[MadFlavour]

Yeah you should read the AUP.

Is that all you have? "Check forums"? That's not much. I'm a member of a few forums, I've been at this for a while.

You would not be the first tricked by a sound clip. Its quite common actually. Every couple of weeks somebody gets fooled by some video on YouTube.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Yeah you should read the AUP.

You should stop being so cryptive and just out what your saying. Nothing in the AUP that's preventing you from backing up your talk.

 

[MadFlavour]

You should stop being so cryptive and just out what your saying. Nothing in the AUP that's preventing you from backing up your talk.

Actually you're not allowed to post links to hacking and mods I believe. Someone got banned for it back in the GT5 days, so shut up and just search for it.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Actually you're not allowed to post links to hacking and mods I believe. Someone got banned for it back in the GT5 days, so shut up and just search for it.

lol okay buddy, I think your going on about something your not fully up to snuff on. You can post links to where anything will back up what your saying, but I already know its most probably a video that fooled you, it happens, don't take it so hard. I don't like it when claims are made but they won't back it up.... If the claimer post up excuses instead of proof, its a good sign they have nothing. I have modded cars in GT6 for a while & I've figure out a few things. It will take more than a video to fool me.

 

[ryzno]

I keep seeing the debate of hacker vs. modders.
So I figured I will put my 2 cents in.

The way I see it is:
Hackers: Spend countless hours trying to break the games code.
Modders: Use the info hacked by hackers(cause they can't figure it out)
Or they use a program the hackers made(cause they can't figure it out.)

 

[TorqueWrench]

I keep seeing the debate of hacker vs. misdeed.
So I figured I will put my 2 cents in.

The way I see it is:
Hackers: Spend countless hours trying to break the games code.
Modders: Use the info hacked by hackers(cause they can't figure it out)
Or they use a program the hackers made(cause they can't figure it out.)

The code is pretty much the same since at least GT4 (I've been modding since GT4) we are doing the same code switching. Its done live, no decrypting required in GT6 CFW live modding. The difference between debug hacking and modding with a "tool" is finding offsets. Debugging, you need to know the offset of the data you want to switch, using the tool the codes are applied to the desired offset without manually pulling up the offset.

I don't know, hacker is so vague, is the guy who finds the offset the hacker, and the guy who uses the found offset the modder? Is using a Tool "hacking" even though it arrives at the same result? The guy who decrypts the save game is he a hacker or decryptor?

 

[GBalao888]

Modder= A player of GT who is an original tuner and uses authentic in-game tuning items to tune his/her cars.
Hacker= Those who want to push the tuning even further, through the use of unauthorized computer tools and methods, but little do they know that it's illegal.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Modder= A player of GT who is an original tuner and uses authentic in-game tuning items to tune his/her cars.
Hacker= Those who want to push the tuning even further, through the use of unauthorized computer tools and methods, but little do they know that it's illegal.

Your missing my point.

To respond to your comment. Its not illegal to mod cars and use them offline. The OLUA you accept to play on PSN is not applicable offline. I can do what I want with my copy, just like I can use a legally downloaded mp3 as a ring tone, answering machine message, even if I add or change something in the song. I can't sell it, or use it in advertising etc. Personal use is fair game.

 

[flynch3211]

Seriously, I would see it in this fashion: Like IRL, modding cars to extreme like some "hella flush cars" (some dangerous modding that includes stretching tyres to fit a larger rim for an instance) have now been banned in Quebec... it could be dangerous to drive such a car. They should apply the logic to those 50 000 BHP civcs... They should be allowed to crash ON PURPOSE, and have to start a brand new career mode, with another name, because IRL, you could be severly injured or dead if you crash with these cars. same should apply to hybrids and illegally modified cars... Make them crash on purpose so that save game is not allowed anymore, because the player would be "Dead".

 

[TorqueWrench]

Seriously, I would see it in this fashion: Like IRL, modding cars to extreme like some "hella flush cars" (some dangerous modding that includes stretching tyres to fit a larger rim for an instance) have now been banned in Quebec... it could be dangerous to drive such a car. They should apply the logic to those 50 000 BHP civcs... They should be allowed to crash ON PURPOSE, and have to start a brand new career mode, with another name, because IRL, you could be severly injured or dead if you crash with these cars. same should apply to hybrids and illegally modified cars... Make them crash on purpose so that save game is not allowed anymore, because the player would be "Dead".

What about the guy in a legally modified car who crashes? Start a new game? Maybe inject a damage cost and loss of life feature in the " game"?

Quebec has some lame brain rules on modifications. Some stuff is for public road safety its hard to argue with, but other stuff is so vague and left open for interpretation by the judge. They were sticking rulers up exhaust pipes for years, then all of a sudden cars like the MSP or even better the SRT4 came around lol.

 

[flynch3211]

That's all of a programming thing really... there should be a way for the game to make the difference between a legally modified in game car vs a engine swap such as a Veyron engine in a Civic Body and frame. if you crash in a legally modified car, you get to go like the game behaves right now... maybe add a little "san franciso rush" thing , like the car may blow up but you respawn a short time after. But if you bring a so called ricer car and crash... game over, save games gets corrupted, and you are car-less and money less, which is quite convenient because you'd also be lifeless in a real life situation

and probably P'eed Off

 

[MadFlavour]

That's all of a programming thing really... there should be a way for the game to make the difference between a legally modified in game car vs a engine swap such as a Veyron engine in a Civic Body and frame. if you crash in a legally modified car, you get to go like the game behaves right now... maybe add a little "san franciso rush" thing , like the car may blow up but you respawn a short time after. But if you bring a so called ricer car and crash... game over, save games gets corrupted, and you are car-less and money less, which is quite convenient because you'd also be lifeless in a real life situation

and probably P'eed Off

That's the dumbest idea for a racing simulator I've ever heard

 

[TorqueWrench]

That's all of a programming thing really... there should be a way for the game to make the difference between a legally modified in game car vs a engine swap such as a Veyron engine in a Civic Body and frame. if you crash in a legally modified car, you get to go like the game behaves right now... maybe add a little "san franciso rush" thing , like the car may blow up but you respawn a short time after. But if you bring a so called ricer car and crash... game over, save games gets corrupted, and you are car-less and money less, which is quite convenient because you'd also be lifeless in a real life situation

and probably P'eed Off

You can restrict PP or HP online so it makes no difference. If you don't want Veyton powered civics limit PP, if a guy fits into pp spec its all good. The only problem really is down force and chassis swaps, but its not a big deal. If they are online with hybrids PD will probably banned then before they get too comfortable.

 

[flynch3211]

That's the dumbest idea for a racing simulator I've ever heard

Think about it. It's a driving simulator right? It's supposed to be one of the most realistic one as well right? You do not probably see my point like that, but it beats anything else than rewinding your life up to where you made a driving mistake causing you to crash (as in Grid, and Forza 4).

My point is, let them play with their beasts. they will pay with their carrer mode.

Some will eventually get the lesson.

 

[flynch3211]

restricting PP or HP is good up to some point.

 

[TorqueWrench]

restricting PP or HP is good up to some point.

PD banns have been rather quick, if a guy is way too suspect he won't last long.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hacker Schmacker, Modder Schmodder, definitions are irrelevant, just a way to pigeonhole people. All that should really matter to anyone is if it affects YOUR gameplay. If you don't race online or do TT's this has no effect on you. If TT's are affected by hybrids that's something PD has to fix and the onus is on them, its not like they are unaware of the problem or that it wasn't inevitable. When it comes to online, avoid rooms that say hybrids are ok, and stick to rooms that use all three parameters, HP/Weight/PP, and you'll probably never see one.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Hacker Schumacher lol