GT6: GT3 vs. Super GT500 vs. Super GT300

[jacnob]

Fair enough; I'll more likely than not spend more time in the GT300 cars.

 

[trustjab]

Inco
even still the current DF levels for those is ridiculiously low. I would be looking at where the speed difference is coming too, not all that time would be aero but engine and maybe tyre gains too.

Take a look back to 2005 before Toyota switched to the SC430. Take Suzuka for example, the Pole time from the Cerumo Supra was 1:53.8. Thats with the lower power, a car only 1900mm wide and success ballast at 40kg. This year's pole time was 1:52.1 with weight handicap of 48kg. But they run more power and cars 2000mm wide. Theyre still close, just more power on the current cars. Tires have improved since then as well.

 

[HuskyGT]

GT3. Can't wait for it and future DLC with more of these cars.

I don't hate Super GT, but there is a huge lack of GT300 cars, which look much more fun than the almost identical feel that GT500 ones have.

 

[trustjab]

GT500 cars are only 3 manufacturers. And sorry, but the HSV GTR and SC430 look nothing alike except a side skirt and rear wing profile. There is also GT300 cars by Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Subaru, Mazda and Garaiya in GT6. Not to mention that GT3's actually race in the GT300 class

 

[ALMSDriver1]

GT3 class for me....I just love those cars and can't wait to give the BMW Z4 GT3 car a try! The only car I'm really disappointed in not having is (of course) the Porsche GT3 but there are plenty of others to make me smile!

 

[Tornado]

I don't hate Super GT, but there is a huge lack of GT300 cars, which look much more fun than the almost identical feel that GT500 ones have.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Ever since they turned it into practically a spec series after the rebranding, I've found it hard to have interest in them either. I'm pretty glad that PD went so far with modeling GT3 cars. Hopefully we'll see even more in DLC.

 

[05XR8]

The shouldnt be a problem making a full GT3 field. 5 R8 LMS's, 1 Z4, 1 SLS and 3 GT-R's. De-tune 2 Ford GT LMII 's,1 Ford GT (Gulf livery), ZO6 LM and ZR1 LM.
Even if we only had the official GT3 cars, thats 10 plus maybe 2 or 3 blank R8's and SLS' s to bring the toatal to 16. We might be able to customise the McLaren, Gallardo and Vantage up to specs in GT AUTO. I see lots of good potential.

With GT500, its kind of a shame because we all want to use new cars and to have only the HSV as the newest of the shapes, it leaves pretty much one car that handles better than the rest of the field.

 

[sk8er913]

The shouldnt be a problem making a full GT3 field. 5 R8 LMS's, 1 Z4, 1 SLS and 3 GT-R's. De-tune 2 Ford GT LMII 's,1 Ford GT (Gulf livery), ZO6 LM and ZR1 LM.
Even if we only had the official GT3 cars, thats 10 plus maybe 2 or 3 blank R8's and SLS' s to bring the toatal to 16. We might be able to customise the McLaren, Gallardo and Vantage up to specs in GT AUTO. I see lots of good potential.

With GT500, its kind of a shame because we all want to use new cars and to have only the HSV as the newest of the shapes, it leaves pretty much one car that handles better than the rest of the field.

The Mclaren is a GT1 car, not a GT3 car.

 

[mustafur]

The Mclaren is a GT1 car, not a GT3 car.

Mclaren Mp4 12c competes in the GT3 Class.

 

[trustjab]

The HSV has only one championship to its name. The SC430 has one and the GTR has two since the HSV's inception. So it shouldn't be the best handling, especially if gt6 gets the aero right, they should be equal. GT500 is not a spec class and SuperGT is not a spec series either. They changed the name to "SuperGT" in 2005, way before they introduced the 3.4L V8 engine formula in 2010. And even though they run the same size/type, they all differ in characteristics. Notably the top speed of the HSV is lacking while the SC430 is usually the fastest on the straight. The Honda is probably best in low speed and driveability and the Nissan is midway between both.

Another thing thats not spec is you can see some developments like the swan neck rear wing mounts which were just one key update to the HSV this year. They also have a new diffuser and engine cover. The GTR's have a completely different shape diffuser with "shark teeth" on the outside leading edge and on the rear wing endplates.

 

[05XR8]

I was speaking of the MP4-12C regarding McLaren.

And I hope the GT500 cars ARE more accurate. Driving the premium GT500 cars back to back, I clearly feel the HSV is superior in the game, to be clear. In the real world, watching the videos, that SC430 is quick everywhere. The GT-R is strong too.

 

[somebodysb2]

I was speaking of the MP4-12C regarding McLaren.

And I hope the GT500 cars ARE more accurate. Driving the premium GT500 cars back to back, I clearly feel the HSV is superior in the game, to be clear. In the real world, watching the videos, that SC430 is quick everywhere. The GT-R is strong too.

You can't compare RL performance and video game performance because of SGT's success ballast system, which GT lacks.

Same with FIA GT3 with BoP ala restrictors and ballast.

 

[sk8er913]

Mclaren Mp4 12c competes in the GT3 Class.

I thought you meant the '95 and '97 F1 LM

Does the NSX pass everything in real life like in GT?

 

[Zuel]

If the aerodynamics in GT6 I really don’t see GT500 and GT3 cars being even just for the fact of the different aerodynamic characters @trustjab. One of the main reasons is the aerodynamic tubes or bottoms of the cars; both are drastically in every form. GT500 car use channeled tubes with a diffuser, where GT3 car are running flat vented bottoms with a diffuser. Just these areas alone have difference in down force production in the area of 800lbs, which is a great deal at speed. Not to forget the difference in body aerodynamic packages. Every part of a GT500 is designed to make down in one as to where a GT3 car is limited to the aerodynamic package they can use. GT3 car can’t have aero cuts in the fenders front and rear let alone runners.

If the aerodynamic physics as Kaz and other say it will be had press to get the GT3 and GT500 cars to run even in stock motor form but I’m sure people will start adding parts to the cars so they can get them even just as in GT5 or try to get the even. Plus we don’t know if parts will be able to put on the race cars. I’ll be happy if they don’t allow it. I’ll be even happier if the blasted power limiter didn’t return either.

 

[disinfected]

We are really reaching on what kind of topics to make in this forum lately.

 

[Coenraad]

GT3 and GT1's for me mostly. I do think the GT500 and 300 are nice too, but They just don't have the same appeal. The car i look forward to the most though (due to abscence of the new SRT Viper GTS-R) is the new BMW Z4 GT3. I just think it looks good, and loved seeing them in the ALMS and FIA GT this year.
It pains me there still are no licenced C6-R's in the game, neither GT1 nor GT3. Just some cheap LM ripoffs but i guess they will have to do.
I am still hoping for a more complete GT series lineup in a future addon. I would say yes please to more licenced GT racecars.


As i see people dab inn on the subject, one has to really distinguish between the GT500 and GT's. GT500 is more like the DTM (They have the same rules now as well btw). Under the body shell, the car is just a tubular frame. As where the GT3 (and old GT1-2, GTE, etc) are sportscars that are tuned with different kits etc and allot more restrictive regulations.
This means that those GT500's and DTM type of cars have allot more mechanical and aerodynamic grip and downforce.

There is a example about it on times around Hockenheim in Germany. The DTM cars where a few seconds faster per lap then the then GT1 class in FIA GT. Despite having quite some less hp and torque. Now with todays GT3 class having had more restrictions i expect to see this reflect in GT6 as well, where the newer GT500 cars should be faster then the new SLS GT3 and Z4 GT3.

 

[trustjab]

DTM & SuperGT have a carbon fiber tub with metal tubular front and rear subframes. GT3/2/1 are allowed to be carbon fiber chassis/tubs but only if the road car features it. It would be cool if the GT rules were opened up a little bit for more aerodynamics under the car. Instead of being flat bottomed they could run some channels and gain a lot of downforce. Some road cars even feature these. Makes me wonder if GT6 will go that far into deatil or customization?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

LMGTE/ALMS GT/GTLM cars are significantly more powerful than GT3 cars...

Nope. The other way around. The GTE cars have more trick aero and more mechanical grip. Although laptimes are very similar these days. In many cases GT3 cars are actually faster over a lap.

As for GT1 cars, here's the deal:
The Viper GTS-R and the Vette C5-R raced under the GTS monicker wich replaced GT1 when it died in -98. GTS eas rebranded to GT1 in 2003. Gran Turismo series have no representation from the latest GT1 era though.
That said, the Zonda LM and Ford GT LM spec II, do have real life counterparts in the GTS Class Zonda GR and the Matech Ford GT1.
Another car that raced in the old GT1 class, but in Gran Turismo is represented as a made up LM car, is the Jaguar XJ220 LM.

GT2 cars are only represented by BMW IIRC, with from GT6, 2 cars.

In terms of speed, the old GT1 class can be compared with the old LMP900 cars. GTS was about 7s faster around Spa than current GTE and GT3

 

[sk8er913]

Nope. The other way around. The GTE cars have more trick aero and more mechanical grip. Although laptimes are very similar these days. In many cases GT3 cars are actually faster over a lap.

As for GT1 cars, here's the deal:
The Viper GTS-R and the Vette C5-R raced under the GTS monicker wich replaced GT1 when it died in -98. GTS eas rebranded to GT1 in 2003. Gran Turismo series have no representation from the latest GT1 era though.
That said, the Zonda LM and Ford GT LM spec II, do have real life counterparts in the GTS Class Zonda GR and the Matech Ford GT1.
Another car that raced in the old GT1 class, but in Gran Turismo is represented as a made up LM car, is the Jaguar XJ220 LM.

GT2 cars are only represented by BMW IIRC, with from GT6, 2 cars.

In terms of speed, the old GT1 class can be compared with the old LMP900 cars. GTS was about 7s faster around Spa than current GTE and GT3

Theres a Diablo GT2 I thought?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Theres a Diablo GT2 I thought?

Yes, but under the -90's rules, wich means it should be on par with the GTS cars.

 

[05XR8]

I cant wait for Feb 2014

 

[05XR8]

I hope there is a proper Super GT championship in "A-Spec" that includes GT300 cars. I dont see the difficulty in rewarding a user if they choose either class. There should be 8 GT500 and 8 GT300 cars as default. We have missed out on multi-class racing in the series for 15years.

 

[sk8er913]

I hope there is a proper Super GT championship in "A-Spec" that includes GT300 cars. I dont see the difficulty in rewarding a user if they choose either class. There should be 8 GT500 and 8 GT300 cars as default. We have missed out on multi-class racing in the series for 15years.

We can make it happen hosting online.

 

[nickg07]

That GT300 grid is so diverse. Prius GT, Lamborghini, Audi, CR-Z, Mercedes. Amazing. I just wish they could include at least most of those models for some awesome GT300 online racing.

 

[Zuel]

Now that @05XR8 proper race classes I wonder how may people will start running in a series or starting one.

 

[trustjab]

Nope. The other way around. The GTE cars have more trick aero and more mechanical grip. Although laptimes are very similar these days. In many cases GT3 cars are actually faster over a lap.

As for GT1 cars, here's the deal:
The Viper GTS-R and the Vette C5-R raced under the GTS monicker wich replaced GT1 when it died in -98. GTS eas rebranded to GT1 in 2003. Gran Turismo series have no representation from the latest GT1 era though.
That said, the Zonda LM and Ford GT LM spec II, do have real life counterparts in the GTS Class Zonda GR and the Matech Ford GT1.
Another car that raced in the old GT1 class, but in Gran Turismo is represented as a made up LM car, is the Jaguar XJ220 LM.

GT2 cars are only represented by BMW IIRC, with from GT6, 2 cars.

In terms of speed, the old GT1 class can be compared with the old LMP900 cars. GTS was about 7s faster around Spa than current GTE and GT3

Right. If we could only Race Mod the Aston Martin DB9, Ford GT, Murciealgo etc. we'd have a decent grid of GT1 style cars.

 

[nickg07]

That would be the ultimate Race Modification upgrade.

Take a standard ish type car and you can choose to race mod it to certain parameters, if you could turn your car into a GT300 or GT3 or even GT500 depending on the car in question. Some cars could be converted to rally cars if they have that kind of heritage.

 

[mustafur]

Nope. The other way around. The GTE cars have more trick aero and more mechanical grip. Although laptimes are very similar these days. In many cases GT3 cars are actually faster over a lap.

As for GT1 cars, here's the deal:
The Viper GTS-R and the Vette C5-R raced under the GTS monicker wich replaced GT1 when it died in -98. GTS eas rebranded to GT1 in 2003. Gran Turismo series have no representation from the latest GT1 era though.
That said, the Zonda LM and Ford GT LM spec II, do have real life counterparts in the GTS Class Zonda GR and the Matech Ford GT1.
Another car that raced in the old GT1 class, but in Gran Turismo is represented as a made up LM car, is the Jaguar XJ220 LM.

GT2 cars are only represented by BMW IIRC, with from GT6, 2 cars.

In terms of speed, the old GT1 class can be compared with the old LMP900 cars. GTS was about 7s faster around Spa than current GTE and GT3

GTS didn't replace GT1, it replaced GT2.

GT1 was removed completely after 1998, and even though a GT1 class came later which replaced GTS it Didn't have the same Homologation rules, even though by then those cars where now lapping the same speed as the Superior rule set 90s version.

 

[trustjab]

The CLK LM was faster than any GT1 car of the 2000's. It has lmp2/GT500 speed. The McLaren F1 was close as was the 911 GT1 evo.

 

[05XR8]

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