N2O and Engine swaps?

[Leonidae@MFT]

Someone seems to be buttsore about RBs.

He's Australian, of course he's buttsore about RB's!

 

[mafia_boy]

He's Australian, of course he's buttsore about RB's!

Read previous post I made Leo. JZ > RB. Period.

And WTF does that have to do with my nationality?? Seriously, 1/2 the posts I read in GT5 forum have resorted to nation bashing (re: dumb american in the Frank Lloyd FM3 thread) and it's becoming beyond a 🤬 joke.

 

[Oner]

Personally I love all things that make power ~ 2JZ's RB's, 13B's whatever...but to think RB's can't do what others do is a bit ludicrous

Big Company backed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ovPtkNoxQ

Privately Owned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBGG1i23zz8

and those are "old" RB's with "old" technology in them (by todays standards)

 

[mafia_boy]

Personally I love all things that make power ~ 2JZ's RB's, 13B's whatever...but to think RB's can't do what others do is a bit ludicrous

Big Company backed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ovPtkNoxQ

Privately Owned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBGG1i23zz8

and those are "old" RB's with "old" technology in them (by todays standards)

Since I was around the scene quite intimately during those years (2001-2004), I can tell you these things:

1. HKS Drag Car was almost not allowed to race at Willowbank that year, it took many attempts to get them there and the body/chassis wasn't up to standard at the time since it had been on the shelf for quite a few years.

2. The Purple R33 (GTR-700) was owned by a guy called Mario and driven by Andrew Pavicevic who was a professional circuit race driver. Mario is RICH, like RICH RICH RICH RICH!! It was originally a street car, then turned into a full drag car. Originally built by C&V performance, it was then taken to CRD and then taken to the next level via JUN input, as in the JUN mechanics had their way with the motor while at CRD!! His goal was to hit 1000Kw with the motor and he achieved that. It's been retired for a few years now.

3. The technology that was used in that GT-R was by no means "old" technology as it was all custom built for that car, it basically became a development mule and parts derived from that car are used these days by other GT-R's around the world.

4. There is a better GT-R from NZ, the R32 from Heat Treatments, driven by Reece McGregor which smashed both those times and is the current world record holder. Here's a video of it.



Also to add to it, there HAS NOT been an RB motor that's produced 2000hp, unlike the JZ motor which has been achieved in race AND street car motors.

Don't believe me about the street car? Here's some videos of "big red" which produces up to 1700whp+ and has pulled 216mph on low boost at the Texas Mile.




/discussion, get back onto topic please.

 

[Oner]

Funny thing is you are not telling me ANYTHING I don't know...I am not "questioning" ANYTHING about a 2JZ...and my point wasn't to start an argument, but to point out that implying an RB is "weak" is far fetched and quite incorrect. Hands down I would take a 2JZ and even most likely a nice 2 or 3 rotor setup (even at the expense of HP for some drivability) over an RB, but that is a personal preference...look, the bottom line is my point was to just point out there have been VERY respectable RB's out there and I linked to ONLY 2 of them. Plus who are YOU to say to get back on topic when YOU were the one who went off on a tangent about RB's (implying they are weak) to begin with!?!?!

 

[mafia_boy]

Funny thing is you are not telling me ANYTHING I don't know...I am not "questioning" ANYTHING about a 2JZ...and my point wasn't to start an argument, but to point out that implying an RB is "weak" is far fetched and quite incorrect.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said the JZ was stronger, I never said or implied that the RB was weak.

Hands down I would take a 2JZ and even most likely a nice 2 or 3 rotor setup (even at the expense of HP for some drivability) over an RB, but that is a personal preference...look, the bottom line is my point was to just point out there have been VERY respectable RB's out there and I linked to ONLY 2 of them. Plus who are YOU to say to get back on topic when YOU were the one who went off on a tangent about RB's (implying they are weak) to begin with!?!?!

Once again, don't put words in my mouth and you're so incorrect it's not funny and I don't like being misquoted and told that I was the one who took it off into another tangent when it was not the case. SuperShouden said and I quote:

But stock, the Supra was a great looking car but the other I6 cars could run circles around it. I mean, you have TVR, BMW, Nissan, and others that just better I6 engines.

I was responding to his comment of saying the Nissan inline-6 is better than the Supra's inline-6 which is untrue to me. I have a Supra motor (JDM JZA70 1JZ motor) and I have taken so many RB's to town, from RB20's to RB25's, RB30's & RB26's! It took a decently modified GTR to beat my basically stock (only has a front mount intercooler and 3" exhaust) 1JZ engined MX83 Cressida which is "quoted" at 206Kw but produced a lot more than quoted.

So don't misquote me next time....capishe?

Also, I can say get back on topic, just like any other member can.......your little response with attitude isn't needed. 👎

 

[Heath_1]

You're lucky that 100 shot of Nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.

 

[Oner]

.... I never said or implied that the RB was weak.

I'd like to see an RB do that.

So don't misquote me next time....capishe?

No problem I will just quote your EXACT words.

 

[niky]

No problem I will just quote your EXACT words.

"That" in this case, is a 6.4 second run. Being a tremendous Nissan fan and former Nissan forumer (back when it was actually run by enthusiasts and not a faceless corporation out to make bucks off of traffic...), I don't know of any RB-powered AWD Skyline faster than 7.5 seconds.... or any RB-powered anything Skyline faster than 7 seconds flat.

Though, to be fair... that Supra looked quite "funny"... if you get what I mean.

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Topic has been beaten to death. RB26 = legendary power potential (and lots of broken drivetrain parts). JZ = legendary power potential x 2.

You started the discussion by stating the Nissan I6 (and a whole bunch of other engines... none of which have been built to the ridiculous levels that the Supra engine is on a consistent basis...) is better... which it isn't. It's a great engine, but it's not better. Sorry.

 

[mafia_boy]

No problem I will just quote your EXACT words.

Yeah, the exact words being I'd like to see an RB do that. NEVER DID I SAY THAT THE RB WAS WEAK! SO YES, DON'T 🤬 MISQUOTE ME!!

niky, thankyou bro.....that's exactly what I'm getting at. 👍

 

[S13DRIFTSPEC]

7.86 RB30 Street car on slicks. Stock block, stock crank, stock cradle, stock sump, and main bolts, pump gas. On street tires it runs 8's easy.. He was also saying the engine is a test mule...
Engine is now in a FED and it ran 7.26

I think someone said that the RB was the best engine Nissan had anyway... this is for you

VQ on methanol 1900hp 6.6 1/4 tube frame 5 years ago

Nissan engines are right there with the toyotas.👍


but anyways back to the topic.. n2o is in drag racing so let's have it. To the complainers... If we can have a control for it so it can or can't used in circuit racing online. The way I see it the more features the better. and i used to use the laughing gas to pop the rear out of under powered cars to drift them ie. the midget.

You're lucky that 100 shot of Nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.

LOL!!

 

[niky]

^great runs.

But note:

or any RB-powered anything Skyline faster than 7 seconds flat.

Neither car is a Skyline.

 

[m0j0NL]

I kinda liked Fast and the Furious.

Not for the story, or the characters, but for the Cars,and especially Muscle Cars.

Also for GT5 i wouldn't mind engine swaps, as long as its realistic.

A Nissan Cube with a RB26 block doesnt make sence.. but a 350Z does (see for example, Esprit 350Z)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrjNHHBGSXo

 

[RufusGonePunk]

I don't mind having nitrous and engine swaps at all. They are ae bloodyn integral part of car tuning. To those who say there should be limitations on what engines go in what, I think we should be free to do what ever is realistic. There's no reason you couldn't put an LS1 in an Audi RS4, and it'd bloody quick in a straight line. However, all that weight over the front axle would make it handle like a dog through the corners. AS with most things, there's a playoff between two things.
As long as PD were to correctly model weight distribution and make basic measurements of each car's engine bay and the engines, which shouldn't be too difficult (most of this is available online), then it would work well and I would welcome it.

 

[Oner]

7.86 RB30 Street car on slicks. Stock block, stock crank, stock cradle, stock sump, and main bolts, pump gas. On street tires it runs 8's easy.. He was also saying the engine is a test mule...
Engine is now in a FED and it ran 7.26

I think someone said that the RB was the best engine Nissan had anyway... this is for you

VQ on methanol 1900hp 6.6 1/4 tube frame 5 years ago

Nissan engines are right there with the toyotas.👍

Thank You for the assist. That was exactly my point. It wasn't me who said they were "better" (never did, and don't think so either as well) but for others to believe and also imply RB's are weak because they CANNOT do what Toyo's can is just not true or factual.

 

[niky]

And still nowhere did he ever say the RB was weak... any implication read into his post was on your part.

 

[Heath_1]

Apparently Toyota engines (1JZ, 2JZ etc..) are stronger. Can run big power with stock internals without causing damage. Apparently something you can't do with an RB26. But as a Nissan fan I remain loyal.

 

[Griffith500]

Apparently Toyota engines (1JZ, 2JZ etc..) are stronger. Can run big power with stock internals without causing damage. Apparently something you can't do with an RB26. But as a Nissan fan I remain loyal.

Well, the RB26 is a highly strung engine in stock form (i.e. engineered to run at a given spec, not above it, with much closer tolerances on the parts) - the JZs, not so much. Try an RB30.

It's a bit like people complaining about melted pistons in turbo'd B18C-Rs on stock internals, when they really ought to have started with something with a lower compression ratio... or changed the internals, which kinda negates the point of using the R (or equivalents) in the first place (i.e. good gains on low boost; low boost -> smaller intercooler, less weight, far less lag = ) Use a proper forced-induction cam and fuel usage might not go up too much just pootling about, too.

This is the kind of thing I hope for in the game. Of course, if people would find it overwhelming, it can be a sort of "in-depth" mode selected as an option.

 

[Oner]

And still nowhere did he ever say the RB was weak... any implication read into his post was on your part.

Wow you STILL don't get it huh? By saying ~

I'd like to see an RB do that.

Is the implication. FFS I don't believe I have to actually explain that...

 

[mazdaman]

Apparently Toyota engines (1JZ, 2JZ etc..) are stronger. Can run big power with stock internals without causing damage. Apparently something you can't do with an RB26. But as a Nissan fan I remain loyal.

I would love to see these "stock internals" last time I checked the toyo's running 6.4x had billet every where. Now, although I'm a rotary guys toyo's are strong and 6.4 is'nt the time. The fastest 2jz is running 6.22 in a dragster somewhere in the u.s . But if someone was to drop a 20b turbo in one of those Titan Scions, it should run faster than the 350z that's posted.

 

[niky]

Is the implication. FFS I don't believe I have to actually explain that...

He's not implying the RB is weak. He's just implying the JZ is better.

 

[mafia_boy]

He's not implying the RB is weak. He's just implying the JZ is better.

Exactly!!

 

[Oner]

I will agree upon that to just let this go...okay

 

[RufusGonePunk]

I would love to see these "stock internals" last time I checked the toyo's running 6.4x had billet every where. Now, although I'm a rotary guys toyo's are strong and 6.4 is'nt the time. The fastest 2jz is running 6.22 in a dragster somewhere in the u.s . But if someone was to drop a 20b turbo in one of those Titan Scions, it should run faster than the 350z that's posted.

He doesn't say you can run mid sixes on stock internals in a JZ. All he says is you can run big power, circa 700bhp, on stock internals, whereas an RB26 will start to give up at probably 450bhp.

 

[eSZee]

He doesn't say you can run mid sixes on stock internals in a JZ. All he says is you can run big power, circa 700bhp, on stock internals, whereas an RB26 will start to give up at probably 450bhp.

That's not what I remember reading. I remember both of them being around 500-550 crank HP with stock internals as still safe and reliable DD cars.
I've seen a couple stock internals supra dyno queens doing 800-900whp but breaking down soon afterward. Obviously being in the states I've only seen a couple GTRs while supras were not hard to find at dyno meets and things like that.

 

[RufusGonePunk]

That's not what I remember reading. I remember both of them being around 500-550 crank HP with stock internals as still safe and reliable DD cars.
I've seen a couple stock internals supra dyno queens doing 800-900whp but breaking down soon afterward. Obviously being in the states I've only seen a couple GTRs while supras were not hard to find at dyno meets and things like that.

Okay
Well, being in the UK we don't really have too many big power Supras, as drag racing isn't the most popular here. So I guess what I've read is for cars just doing 10 second passes and not much else.
However, 500bhp does seem to be pushing it on stock internals on an RB26 for a daily. I'm into the drift scene and anything over 500bhp in an RB26 is worth swapping a JZ in. Much cheaper for bigger power.
You must remember though a 2JZ has an extra 15% capacity with the same compression ratio. So it's only natural (or turbo'd ) for a JZ to run bigger powers without problems.

 

[GT_Toast]

So if we should have Nitrous Oxide Systems in the game, why not also include water/meth kits?

 

[Anathema]

why not also include water/meth kits?

Since NOS is in GT4, there is no logical reason for it not to be in GT5.
Same with the supercharger.
I'd say that everything extra(NOS included) has to be regulated in order to have fair races.
If both of those are going to be in the game, they need to be regulated as well.
Engine swaps are another story.
In the Tokyo Xtreme Racer series, some rediculous engine swaps can be created (V8 Suzuki Cappucino, anyone?)
I'd say that the engine size (displacement) needs to be taken into consideration before swaps can be done.
I'd like to see that added with the paint/decal customizer to create your own, one-of-a-kind builds.
The Tokyo Xtreme Racer series allowed you to do that, but making decals was a pain.
Even so, I might just be able to recreate the NA V6 MR2 customized swap I did in that game.

 

[BrutherSuperior]

Since NOS is in GT4, there is no logical reason for it not to be in GT5.

I cannot think of one pro race series/sanctioning body that allows the use of any oxygen enriched mixture to be added to the combustion process for circuit racing.

That would be a reason.

It's more likely that players will be able to add a 'KERS' system or some sorta battery/hybrid boost in lieu of NOx.

 

[Aloha62_2]

Alternatively allow the player to have Nos if he/she wants too and for any of the more serious race events simply have the game disable the button to activate it.

I would like Nos as well as water injection and water sprayed intercooler kits.