New F1 Qualifying Format for 2016.

[Peter.]

Wow, for a second I thought they were actually starting to use their brains. What a shame. The same thing will happen, someone will get caught up in traffic or have to give way to faster cars, there will be less running than in the past and the end of the sessions will be nowhere near as dramatic as the past.

It's simple, just give them tyres specific for qualifying and they'll run more. As if there even was an issue with qualifying before.

 

[Samus]

It's the same old problem of F1 since the strategy group was created, the teams are all in it for themselves, not the sport. They will always vote on their best interests, hence why Force India, who just happen to really benefit from probably starting 9th and 10th a lot want to keep it. Meanwhile you have Bernie who is doing everything on behalf of his boss CVC, who are only interested in money.

It needs to go.

At this point, the fans attending NEED to show that they are fed up with this. Empty seats will send a much clearer message then just some forum posts and petitions Bernie won't read anyhow.

Bahrain is usually mostly empty except for the race anyway. You have to wonder if they'd have made the same decision if it was a big European race next.

 

[Peter.]

At this point, the fans attending NEED to show that they are fed up with this. Empty seats will send a much clearer message then just some forum posts and petitions Bernie won't read anyhow.

I doubt empty seats matter all that much to them. At this point they've already received their fee from the circuit owners and their share of TV money so empty seats will only hurt the organizers really.

 

[Speedracer8218]

McLaren and Redbull voted against the new proposed quali so it looks like we're going back to that mess in AUS

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...ept-elimination-qualifying-compromise-682248/

 

[GTFan24]

I would not be surprised at all if the tv ratings for qualifying end up being extremely low

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Bernie to the rescue! His solution? Ridiculous ideas that, at any other time, would seem moronic, but now sound sensible:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/04/02/ecclestone-suggests-radical-qualifying-fix/

In fact, let's all play the game! How about a cut-off time in the last five minutes of each period? If you leave the pits in the final five minutes, all of your previous times are invalidated - you're essentially betting that you have a better lap in you; if you choose to stay, you're betting tgat your existing time is safe.

 

[GTPorsche]

His radical idea is essentially Indy 500 qualifying? Every time you go back to the track for that, you lose your time.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

His radical idea is essentially Indy 500 qualifying? Every time you go back to the track for that, you lose your time.

No, that's me. Bernie is suggesting adding a time penalty post-qualifying based on previous race or championship results.

 

[GTPorsche]

Oh. My mistake then. Your idea would spice things up but I just don't think anything is going to work unless they change how tires are allocated. Probably a better idea to have the drivers start the race on the tire they set their lap on in Q1, that way everyone has the same advantage/disadvantage and that way Q2 and Q3 actually have emphasis on going all out on the tires and setting faster laps without risk of blowing race strategy.

His idea is ridiculous. They'll end up with drivers intentionally sandbagging laps to avoid being penalized.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but there's a really simple solution that no one on broadcast has thought of.

Just have the lap count when the timer runs out. Just like at the end of a session, so if the timer runs out when you're on track, that lap counts and when you cross the line you're done. So simple. So easy.

 

[GTPorsche]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but there's a really simple solution that no one on broadcast has thought of.

Just have the lap count when the timer runs out. Just like at the end of a session, so if the timer runs out when you're on track, that lap counts and when you cross the line you're done. So simple. So easy.

The only issue with that is they have to start the eliminations much earlier so they have the time to eliminate the proper amount of drivers in each round.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Just have the lap count when the timer runs out. Just like at the end of a session, so if the timer runs out when you're on track, that lap counts and when you cross the line you're done. So simple. So easy.

But then you're going to have some drivers eliminated before others based on road position.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

The only issue with that is they have to start the eliminations much earlier so they have the time to eliminate the proper amount of drivers in each round.

Why?

But then you're going to have some drivers eliminated before others based on road position.

How?

 

[GTPorsche]

Why?

Because they have a set timeframe when each elimination happens with it being every 90 seconds.

If they do it based on when the car crosses the line, that will push that elimination clock back each time and not leave them enough time to eliminate the amount of cars they have to.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

Why not have the next timer start while the previous is on flying lap?

 

[GTPorsche]

Why not have the next timer start while the previous is on flying lap?

What if the previous improves? How do they determine when the next one starts?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

How?

What's is going to look like if the driver in thirteenth is eliminated, then the driver in eleventh and then the driver in twelfth simply because the driver in twelfth got out first?

Here's a radical idea: call a spade a spade. The system doesn't work. It's unnecessary, confusing and detracts rather than adds to the sport. So instead of pretending that there is some hidden merit in the system and wasting time, effort and money trying to fix it, just get rid of it.

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

What is it anyone expects from qualifying? It's not supposed to be an entertaining event. It's job is to set the grid for the race. Whether it is last years system or this year's system the problem isn't the qualifying or the racing the problem is the haves (mercedes and ferrari) and the have not's ( sauber,honda mclaren and the like).

To fix F1 is to fix the unbalanced nature of the car's which will never happen!

 

[spacecowboy73]

What is it anyone expects from qualifying? It's not supposed to be an entertaining event. It's job is to set the grid for the race. Whether it is last years system or this year's system the problem isn't the qualifying or the racing the problem is the haves (mercedes and ferrari) and the have not's ( sauber,honda mclaren and the like).

To fix F1 is to fix the unbalanced nature of the car's which will never happen!

Well I thought the previous format was entertaining. Other people must too or else why would they bother broadcasting it?

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

Well I thought the previous format was entertaining. Other people must too or else why would they bother broadcasting it?

What's the difference? Mercedes as an example during Q1 and Q2 instead of waiting until the end went out at the beginning set a lap and parked it.

 

[Samus]

I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but there's a really simple solution that no one on broadcast has thought of.

Just have the lap count when the timer runs out. Just like at the end of a session, so if the timer runs out when you're on track, that lap counts and when you cross the line you're done. So simple. So easy.

So the clock reaches zero on 14th place, but he's on track, so he finishes his lap. 60 seconds later, he improves, and is now 13th, the guy in 13th is now 14th. Is he instantly out, or does he get to finish the lap he is on? When does the timer start on 12th place?

The session would be almost never ending, if everyone could always finish the lap they're on.

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

So the clock reaches zero on 14th place, but he's on track, so he finishes his lap. 60 seconds later, he improves, and is now 13th, the guy in 13th is now 14th. Is he instantly out, or does he get to finish the lap he is on? When does the timer start on 12th place?

The session would be almost never ending, if everyone could always finish the lap they're on.

Get rid of the 3 qualifiers make it 1 long session and do it like that let's see.

 

[GTPorsche]

Get rid of the 3 qualifiers make it 1 long session and do it like that let's see.

It won't change anything.

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

It won't change anything.

I know that, you know that. The problem is the unmatched pace of the teams.

 

[GTPorsche]

You're watching the wrong series if you want them to all have the same pace.

 

[Samus]

Get rid of the 3 qualifiers make it 1 long session and do it like that let's see.

That wouldn't change the disjointedness of knockout times overlapping.

Anyway they've already said that's not something they can do because broadcasters want the ad break opportunities in between.

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

You're watching the wrong series if you want them to all have the same pace.

No series runs the same pace across teams. What I'm trying to say is changing qualifying to anything will not change the outcome of qualifying. The fast guys will always be out front and the slow guys will always be at the back. Trying to make qualifying "entertaining" is never going to happen. It's not the job of qualifying to be entertaining and to expect such is Ludicrous!

 

[GTPorsche]

No, this is Ludacris.

 

[Die_Birdy_Die]

No, this is Ludacris.

Lol Fixed

 

[GTPorsche]

Anyway, qualifying doesn't need to be entertaining, that part is true.

What it doesn't need to be is about 50% of the sessions devoid of any activity due to rules regarding the cars. Making it one long session will only exacerbate the issue. Keeping it segmented and a knockout format is fine, but not with hard count timed eliminations.