QM Exiles

[Nonno Calvy]

It may well be that the sucker is me, I made these adjustments in October and November and I can not remember well. At the time I had downloaded the Logitech program on the computer and connected the steering by making various adjustments. Then I read that the game did not support them and I looked into the game between the settings of the driving settings. There I put, driving aid: advanced; then in detailed settings: steering sensitivity 7, maximum torque, force feedback 7, force feedback sensitivity 4. If these adjustments only affect the controllers and not the steering I do not know. It seemed to me that the behavior of the steering wheel changed, but I could remember badly.
What did you find on google and what did you fix?

 

[Mwerte]

@Mwerte
Hey Reda, could you improve on your Mt. P. lap later last night or did I beat you this time .
There's been two or three tenths more, but I just couldn't string the perfect lap together.
Good practise that run, and not the worst of all cars.
Slowly moving on to the faster vehicles 👍 ...

Hi Joe..this week i m focusing on building my new rim ...i did buy some woods find the excuse to finally use my new tools box ( even if i m the biggest one in it)
I ll post some pics once i finish it
For MP yesterday i did a time and get back to work ....after dinner i log on and find your time ....i had to bring the bourbon ...tried my ass off to get near your time and after 1h i give up ....had many many nightmare.....and this morning find out when reading the post of @bone_tone that the BoP was turn off ....

 

[kilesa4568]

It may well be that the sucker is me, I made these adjustments in October and November and I can not remember well. At the time I had downloaded the Logitech program on the computer and connected the steering by making various adjustments. Then I read that the game did not support them and I looked into the game between the settings of the driving settings. There I put, driving aid: advanced; then in detailed settings: steering sensitivity 7, maximum torque, force feedback 7, force feedback sensitivity 4. If these adjustments only affect the controllers and not the steering I do not know. It seemed to me that the behavior of the steering wheel changed, but I could remember badly.
What did you find on google and what did you fix?

You could actually be right about it changing sensitivity but I haven't been able to test it yet. I've took the wheel off the table ready for the seat to arrive.

You can adjust everything with Logitech's software on the PC but that's only on the PC. Not consoles.

I've yet to find how to change the degrees of rotation (sensitivity) on a G29 but I read this thread for the G27 saying it changes depending on the car:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...hange-your-wheel-lock-setting-in-game.361940/

Never knew that! If the G29 is essentially the same wheel, perhaps it does the exact same thing?

Feedback sensitivity was here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-logitech-g29.361768/#post-11988789

That was early in the games life though and might be different now.

I haven't given up looking so if I find anything else that's relevant, I'll let you know.

Edit: You can't change degrees of rotation:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...rce-racing-wheel.329084/page-38#post-12228867

Another good thread about the wheel and GTS:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-and-the-logitech-g29.364049/

Someone swears the sensitivity works in there and another gives recommended settings that seems to work well:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-and-the-logitech-g29.364049/#post-12020543

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Aah, pity, no true comparison .
Anyway, I was quite ok with being about 1.5 sec off the leader on such a long and difficult track.
What power distribution did you use / find best ?

@outlaw4rc
Also, the very good news is that you ...

... finally made the plunge into GT Sport ...

A question to everyone :

I still feel a bit off from online competition with the bit of racing I do. I noticed that many of the top guys use CSA. Is it a "generally accepted" aid for ultimate competitiveness in the meantime ?

 

[kilesa4568]

I think it's more to do with cutting out the small mistakes and getting to your best lap time quicker. It seems to be comparable for most people with and without it on lap times but what looks to be perfect lap could be slightly more perfect with it. ie a tenth or maybe 2. I'm not sure that makes sense. I'll try again if it doesn't. It's actually a recommended setting for the DS4 by PD though.

Personally, I don't like it as I tend to fight it. Maybe it's just down to personal preference and how much time you can devote to hot lapping? Strong takes all the fun away. Horrible feeling.

@Nonno Calvy I think one setting can overwhelm the other so it seems be about finding the right balance so they don't overlap each other.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Someone swears the sensitivity works in there and another gives recommended settings that seems to work well:

I was a bit surprised by that as it was generally accepted in GT6 that the sensitivity setting only applied to controllers. I tested it with my wheel (T300RS) in GTS and it made no difference whatsoever. I use a fairly low max torque (2-4) and FFB a bit higher (5-7). It depends how much you like to fight your wheel but if you set the max torque too high it can cause clipping and loss of FFB feel.

I still feel a bit off from online competition with the bit of racing I do. I noticed that many of the top guys use CSA. Is it a "generally accepted" aid for ultimate competitiveness in the meantime ?

CSA is like Active Steering in GT6. It won't make you any faster in absolute terms but it does help with catching slides so it can help with consistency. The downside is that it damps the steering response so you lose a bit of feel. This is with a wheel. It may be more of an advantage with a controller. If you want to get an idea of what it does in the extreme try the mission where you have to weave in and out of a load of cars at Tokyo in a Veyron (Mission 4-4). It's almost impossible with CSA on because the car just won't respond quickly enough to steering input. I always have it turned off now because it's more fun that way.

 

[coryclifford]

I ran the G27 at 10 and 10, but I've left the G29 at 5 and 5 and I'm totally fine with it, so far.

And the TS050 is awesome! I just wanted to mention that.

 

[kilesa4568]

I was a bit surprised by that as it was generally accepted in GT6 that the sensitivity setting only applied to controllers. I tested it with my wheel (T300RS) in GTS and it made no difference whatsoever. I use a fairly low max torque (2-4) and FFB a bit higher (5-7). It depends how much you like to fight your wheel but if you set the max torque too high it can cause clipping and loss of FFB feel.

CSA is like Active Steering in GT6. It won't make you any faster in absolute terms but it does help with catching slides so it can help with consistency. The downside is that it damps the steering response so you lose a bit of feel. This is with a wheel. It may be more of an advantage with a controller. If you want to get an idea of what it does in the extreme try the mission where you have to weave in and out of a load of cars at Tokyo in a Veyron (Mission 4-4). It's almost impossible with CSA on because the car just won't respond quickly enough to steering input. I always have it turned off now because it's more fun that way.

I wasn't sure either as I think I can remember the discussion about it. Gave it a try this afternoon and found no difference from -2 up to 7 so maybe they patched it out or it never existed.

I settled on 2 for torque as it weights up nicely but started at 8 (way to hard) and worked my way down. 4 felt good with how much lock I was putting on but it's not for my level of endurance. I'd got arm pump in no time at all with it that high. 2 was a happy medium but I might turn it to 3 when I first start a session.

The feedback is confusing. 8 made the car's weight obvious (sorta liked it) but I had to battle with it at times just weaving on straights. Dropped it to 4 and while I don't seem to feel as much feedback in the corners. I was able catch more slides. Way more experimenting to do with that one.

The seat is brilliant for sturdiness and comfy but I need it very low to reach the pedals. I was catching my knees on the underside of the wheel plate in a more upright position. Very easy to put up (15 minutes) but I goofed with the arms velcro. It felt like it was fastened but wasn't... Sat in the chair and fell flat on my back when they came apart. Did the non-man thing, picked up the instructions and noticed I had to feed the velcro through a loop and then stick it down. Oops.

Did around 200 or so miles and had to quit. Arms and legs were like jelly. Exhausted. I suppose that's what I bought it for though so it's all good.

 

[Mwerte]

Aah, pity, no true comparison .
What power distribution did you use / find best ?

If the question is for me !? I switch to a 50/50 distribution ...but i do that everytime i run a 4WD

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Other than placing my PS4 in a DMZ, I can only race against other people for two laps before they shuffle off the track on my screen and I end up doing a time trial. Somehow, it doesn't disconnect me and it knows when people cross the line so I got a few wins this way.

I focused on the Gr4 Brands Hatch race. From what I could tell before it switched over to a different track, the fastest people qualified in the 28s and could lap in the 29s in the actual race. Took me all day but ran a low 29.1 in the Toyota 86 but I had trouble hitting all my marks in race trim and was stuck right at the 30s mark. My one attempt to fuel save with using higher gears didn't pan out but on the upside, I apparently have an edge in saving tires. So far. Hard to gauge when my DR is only up to C and so I only have two legitimate competitors a race at most.

Wheel settings has been a constant experiment. Long story short, the G29 felt quite good at 5/5 with some of the offline stuff but the moment I went online, it felt sloppy and slow. Called it a night at 5/1.

 

[nordschleife51]

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[kilesa4568]

Got the grandkids tomorrow. Fate is conspiring against me!

It seems I owe @Nonno Calvy an apology. @StirlingMoose too. Reading more of the G29 and GTS thread above, It seems steering sensitivity is active on wheels. Having it turned to 7 gives the wheel a 1:1 ratio, or close to it, while anything below feels like latency to any movement.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-and-the-logitech-g29.364049/page-4#post-12038255

Sorry mate. I didn't notice a difference but being so new to it was probably the reason I was blind to it. Mine was still on -2 today and I struggled badly at taking the line plus it was really hard to be accurate anywhere else. Never hit the walls (Tokyo) so often before so it'll be changed to 7 the next time I load the game up.

I've got to stop messing with settings and try and get used to something. I'm wasting far too much time looking for magic settings.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

After many races on wide tracks in slower cars, I needed to prove myself I'm no slouch and raced my beloved GR4 Atenza at Interlagos 👍.
Well, proved I'm no slouch, I'm an idiot though . DR A after one race, SR A after three. Been pushed, scratched and squeezed quicker than I could stutter nasty words ... and along came the penalties . Penalties are really harsh atm and they made me think, if you care for your ratings don't race neither Interlagos ... nor Monza nor Tokyo nor [ to be continued ].
Lucky me I don't care too much, so the good thing is I'm in the club now and can finally state I "Just Raced Under The New Algorithms And Rules" .

 

[bone_tone]

After many races on wide tracks in slower cars, I needed to prove myself I'm no slouch and raced my beloved GR4 Atenza at Interlagos 👍.
Well, proved I'm no slouch, I'm an idiot though . DR A after one race, SR A after three. Been pushed, scratched and squeezed quicker than I could stutter nasty words ... and along came the penalties . Penalties are really harsh atm and they made me think, if you care for your ratings don't race neither Interlagos ... nor Monza nor Tokyo nor [ to be continued ].
Lucky me I don't care too much, so the good thing is I'm in the club now and can finally state I "Just Raced Under The New Algorithms And Rules" .

You may be pleased to see that they've changed the algorithms today - unless they've made them harsher of course!

 

[ROCKET JOE]

You may be pleased to see that they've changed the algorithms today - unless they've made them harsher of course!

I really hope they fixed it for better. The way penalty and rating systems worked, would either have killed racing or made many more people stop care for anything, I'd suspect.

 

[bone_tone]

I really hope they fixed it for better. The way penalty and rating systems worked, would either have killed racing or made many more people stop care for anything, I'd suspect.

I had found that people were driving more carefully generally, but when they didn't the penalties I was 'given' had a bigger negative impact on my ratings.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

A technical question to all of you irl race car experts :
In your everyday car you won't throw in first gear unless you've slowed down to a very very low speed, right ?
However, is it common use in race cars ?

 

[coryclifford]

Pretty much true. I mentioned to a buddy today how great the Porsche GR.3 car is but it's got a funky gearbox and that I used first gear and then saw it's because it'll do something like 72 mph. My real life Honda did only 30. On the Autocross courses there were a few times I had to go back into first. I had to get good at double clutching the thing. I saw plenty of people not do it properly and yeah, it's not pretty.

 

[bone_tone]

A technical question to all of you irl race car experts :
In your everyday car you won't throw in first gear unless you've slowed down to a very very low speed, right ?
However, is it common use in race cars ?

Monaco Grand Prix is a good example of where 1st is used irl

 

[Mwerte]

A technical question to all of you irl race car experts :
In your everyday car you won't throw in first gear unless you've slowed down to a very very low speed, right ?
However, is it common use in race cars ?

You re speaking about the first chicane in monza .....after the turn there s low grip in the inside and a long straight .... it depend on the gear setting but for yesterday you gain like 300ms in the straight if you came out in 1st

 

[ROCKET JOE]

You re speaking about the first chicane in monza .....after the turn there s low grip in the inside and a long straight .... it depend on the gear setting but for yesterday you gain like 300ms in the straight if you came out in 1st

Yeah, I always stayed in second ... there's something in me that refuses to go into first gear. And bed time came way too early.
Was a fun drive with the Huracan . Congrats, good time, mate.

 

[kilesa4568]

The stock F40 and McF1 have a crazy long 1st gear that's very usable. It took me a while to venture into using 1st on them but they've been good 'training' cars with learning how to get the power down smoothly from slower corners.

 

[Rizla]

@kilesa4568 How are your times coming along with the new wheel compared to using the pad?

 

[ROCKET JOE]

THE ART TO STAY ON TOPIC WITH OFF TOPIC NEWS

I've got new teeth , guys - my "track bite" probably will improve in the near future.

Pretty happy about it after more than two years.

 

[Rizla]

THE ART TO STAY ON TOPIC WITH OFF TOPIC NEWS

I've got new teeth , guys - my "track bite" probably will improve in the near future.

Pretty happy about it after more than two years.

Should be easy to spot on track then.

 

[kilesa4568]

@kilesa4568 How are your times coming along with the new wheel compared to using the pad?

I'm on a throw away account (training wheels attached) so haven't looked yet. I'll run a few laps on my main account later and let you know.

I know I'm a fair bit slower but not sure by how much. Consistency is coming along nicely but catching slides is a whole different ball game compared to the DS4. A proper bar steward!

 

[FPV MIC]

I'm on a throw away account (training wheels attached) so haven't looked yet. I'll run a few laps on my main account later and let you know.

I know I'm a fair bit slower but not sure by how much. Consistency is coming along nicely but catching slides is a whole different ball game compared to the DS4. A proper bar steward!

You'll more than likely find that with more practice you won't have to catch slides, not nearly as often as with the DS4 anyway. Smooth inputs on the wheel and easy on the throttle out of corners are two key factors.

 

[kilesa4568]

I had an epiphany regarding slides a couple of nights ago. After spinning out for the thousandth time, right, lets see what I can do if I don't go fast enough to slide... Went right back to basics to relearn everything and concentrated on consistency instead. Shortly after that, I got gold in every part of campaign in one try. Well, not the drift challenge... That got me swearing so I cheated with the DS4 on that one.

I know how much I was taking it for granted with the DS4 now though, that's for sure. PD really got the optimisation right with it as it's a totally different game with the wheel. No more violent weight shifting or throttle mashing and braking is a mini game all on its own with how much pedal travel I've got now. Thoroughly enjoying the challenge and wish I'd done it sooner.

I'm a long way off online race pace as I'm clueless on what to do if someone makes contact. The AI has spun me in custom races more time than I'll care to admit as I just can't react quick enough...yet.

 

[coryclifford]

Woo hoo! Driving School and Driving Missions 100% golded.

 

[kilesa4568]

Lap times...

46.112 in the Merc.
2.03.006 Lambo
1.15.9 in the 919

Hot lapping takes me out of my current comfort zone but if memory serves me right from the leader board, .4 off the pace in the under steer king Merc, about 1.5 at Alsace and around 2.5 at Brands. I've got a long way to go before I match my previous pace but it's not too bad with 1400 miles of practise.