RIDOX Replica Garage-In Memory of TurnLeft-GT40,300ZX,F430,TVR,AEM S2000,Cizeta,TransAm Doug Nash

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Can I ask you a question about your E92 M3 GTS, Ridox? How did you determine the weight of the GTS? I wasn't questioning your data, but I happened to google the car for different reasons and I started coming up with sources that all had different weight's listed. I can't imagine how frustrating building these replicas must be for you - ya just wanna get some basic information, like the car's weight, and 5 sources all have 5 different values listed for Curb Weight. I mean, give me a break!

Here is a link that supposedly posted the information from the official BMW press release regarding the GTS. If you scroll down to the paragraph: "Aerodynamics: Optimised components with variable adjustment", you will see that it lists the weight as 1530kg. (CLICK ME) At the very top of that same post, however, the OP wrote a summary that he called "The Facts" and he lists the weight as 1490kg! WTF?! :dunce: :irked:

Then there is Wikipedia. If you check out their section on the E92 M3 GTS you'll see that they claim the GTS is 300 pounds less than the standard M3. Well, if you look over to the right they just happen to list the base M3's weight as 1,580 kg (3,483 lb). Okay, so let's subtract 300 lbs from 3483 lbs. That leaves us with 3183 lbs or 1443.78451 kg. We can round that up to 1444kg.

Finally, Car & Driver lists the weight as 3550 lbs. That would be 1610 kg! :banghead:

To summarize, we have 1530 kg, 1490 kg, 1444 kg and 1610kg. :boggled: :indiff: :irked: :mad: :nervous:

EDIT: I just realized you have your e92 M3 GTS set for 1530kg as well, which would reflect that press release I mentioned above. I apologize...I had my '07 M3 loaded in game when I wrote this post and had a weight listed that was very different. I should just delete this entire thread, but I figured I would leave it up. :D
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:D The M3 GTS uses BMW official document weight figure ( DIN ), I used as I felt it was good enough, about 300lbs less than most tested M3 at 1660+kg.

The Car & Driver M3 GTS at 3550 lbs / 1610 kg might be test weight, just like Road & Track listed test weight of M3 at 3850 lb / 1746 kg, so they are about right too :D There are always variances in weight report, form manufacturer to road tests. A lot things can cause this, from different trim levels, optional features, fuel level, and whether driver is included or not. I haven't tested GTS against real life lap time to see how it stands with 1530kg, but the M3 at 1747kg is still a bit quicker than real life.

The M3 Nurb GP D real life lap of 1:44.86 I can safely assume was done on lightened M3 BMW Rep car and might also be using Michelin Pilot Cup tires as the the M3 needs SH to beat it and at Nurb GP F RL record at 2:28.23 can be easily beaten on CS tire in GT6 with 1747kg ( I missed 1kg )

BMW M3 GTS RL lap record at Nurb GP F : 2:21.06, this may be able to be replicated on CS tire with 1530kg.

This is just one of many test report sheet of M3 that has varied weight and distribution :

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Ridox2JZGTE
Ferrari F40 '92 ( Real World Setup version ) EU Market
AUTO Motorsport Mag 1989 Review Version

Special Build Replica with Real World Setup Ferrari F40 '92 EU Market AUTO Motorsport Mag 1989 Review Version
Comfort Soft to Sports Medium​




CAR : Ferrari F40 '92
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Medium

Specs - No Power Upgrade
Horsepower: 471 HP / 478 PS at 7000 RPM
Torque: 425.2 ft-lb at 4000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 1254 kg ( Auto Motorsport tested curb weight with full tank 120L and all fluids )
Ballast : 142 kg
Ballast Position : 16
Weight Distribution : 39.2 / 60.8 as in real life ( curb weight with full tank and all fluids - closer to 38/62 with driver )
Performance Points: 535

Specs - No Power Upgrade - No Fuel Curb Weight
Horsepower: 471 HP / 478 PS at 7000 RPM
Torque: 425.2 ft-lb at 4000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 1169 kg ( weight figure without fuel, calculated based on 0.711kg for 1 litre of fuel and 1254kg on 120L full tank )
Ballast : 57 kg
Ballast Position : -13
Weight Distribution : 42 / 58 as in real life ( without fuel )
Performance Points: 540

NO CATS Specs Option 1 ( Isometric Exhaust Manifold + High RPM Range Turbo Kit )
Horsepower: 513 HP / 520 PS at 6800 RPM
Torque: 451.5 ft-lb at 4500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.4%
Weight: 1254 kg ( Auto Motorsport tested curb weight with full tank 120L and all fluids )
Ballast : 142 kg
Ballast Position : 16
Weight Distribution : 39.2 / 60.8 as in real life ( curb weight with full tank and all fluids - closer to 38/62 with driver )
Performance Points: 547


NO CATS Specs Option 2 ( Isometric Exhaust Manifold + Intake Tuning )
Horsepower: 513 HP / 520 PS at 7000 RPM
Torque: 468.5 ft-lb at 4000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.9%
Weight: 1254 kg ( Auto Motorsport tested curb weight with full tank 120L and all fluids )
Ballast : 142 kg
Ballast Position : 16
Weight Distribution : 39.2 / 60.8 as in real life ( curb weight with full tank and all fluids - closer to 38/62 with driver )
Performance Points: 548


NO CATS Specs Option 1 ( Isometric Exhaust Manifold + High RPM Range Turbo Kit )
No Fuel Weight
Horsepower: 513 HP / 520 PS at 6800 RPM
Torque: 451.5 ft-lb at 4500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.4%
Weight: 1169 kg ( weight figure without fuel, calculated based on 0.711kg for 1 litre of fuel and 1254kg on 120L full tank )
Ballast : 57 kg
Ballast Position : -13
Weight Distribution : 42 / 58 as in real life ( without fuel )
Performance Points: 553


NO CATS Specs Option 2 ( Isometric Exhaust Manifold + Intake Tuning )
No Fuel Weight
Horsepower: 513 HP / 520 PS at 7000 RPM
Torque: 468.5 ft-lb at 4000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 98.9%
Weight: 1169 kg ( weight figure without fuel, calculated based on 0.711kg for 1 litre of fuel and 1254kg on 120L full tank )
Ballast : 57 kg
Ballast Position : -13
Weight Distribution : 42 / 58 as in real life ( without fuel )
Performance Points: 554



GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Wheels : Stock
Car Paint : Rosso Corsa



Tuning Parts Installed :
NO Cats replica power :
Optional High RPM Range Turbo Kit + Isometric Exhaust Manifold -- see notes for more details.
Optional Intake Tuning + Isometric Exhaust Manifold -- see notes for more details.
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction



Suspension - Eibach ERS Springs with Street/Track Tuned Damper and Real World Alignment
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 101 101 - standard - Alternate Ride Height F/R : 63 56 ( lowest ), 115 115 ( high ) and 81 101 ( track lowered)
Spring Rate: 8.25 12.00 - Alternate High Speed Track Oriented Spring Rate F/R : 12.00 12.00
Dampers (Compression): 7 7
Dampers (Extension): 7 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 4
Camber Angle: 0.5 1.8
Toe Angle: 0.33 0.33



Suspension - Eibach ERS Springs based on stock F40 spring ratio with Street/Track Tuned Damper with
Real World Alignment and Ride Height based on Best Motoring Tsukuba Battle driven by Motoharu Kurosawa
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 81 81 - Best Motoring Battle
Spring Rate: 8.04 11.61 - Based on factory F40 spring rate ratio
Dampers (Compression): 7 7
Dampers (Extension): 7 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 4
Camber Angle: 0.5 1.8
Toe Angle: 0.33 0.33

Ferrari F40 US Edition Technical Manual Alignment Range :
Camber Angle : 1.10 1.0 ( Front Camber Range : -1.16 +/- -1.50, Rear Camber Range : -1.0 +/- -1.33 )
Toe Angle : 0.20 0.33 ( Front Toe In Range : 0.20 +/- 0.33, Rear Toe In Range : 0.33 +/- 0.46 )


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Corrected EU Market AUTO Motorsport Mag 1989 Review Version Ratio Gear Set and Final
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final to 4.000
Set Auto Max Speed to 310kmh / 193mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.769
2nd 1.722
3rd 1.227
4th 0.963
5th 0.767
Final Gear : 3.620
Optimum Shift Point : 7400-7700 RPM ( as in real life )



LSD -ZF Self Locking LSD with 60% Lock and Medium Preload - AUTO Motorsport Mag 1989 Review Version
Initial Torque : 30
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 36

Alternate LSD Setup for looser handling :

Initial Torque : 27
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 36

or

Initial Torque : 20
Acceleration Sensitivity: 36
Braking Sensitivity: 36


OPTIONAL LSD SETUP F355 Spec :
LSD -ZF Self Locking LSD with 45% Lock and High Preload
Initial Torque : 40
Acceleration Sensitivity: 27
Braking Sensitivity: 27

Alternate LSD Setup for looser handling :

Initial Torque : 37
Acceleration Sensitivity: 27
Braking Sensitivity: 27

or

Initial Torque : 17
Acceleration Sensitivity: 27
Braking Sensitivity: 27



Brake Balance:
7/6 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 6/4, for ABS 1 7/6 or feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :
Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/6 brake balance as starting point.


Notes :
Ferrari F40, the last great Ferrari IMO, no electronics aids, just pure man and machine :)

This car is one of my most favorite ride in GT5 and GT6, and it's well known for it's inaccuracy in terms of stats and stock setup.

I made this special replica build with the main goal of correcting the mistakes and make it handle more like a Ferrari, whatever that means :P

First of all, there are 2 region market for Ferrari F40, Europe and US. Both has distinctive setup from power, weight to gearing.

The EU market has much lighter dry weight and comes with lift kit/variable ride height suspension system from factory, with lower final gear and slightly different 2nd and 5th gear :)

This replica is a representation of EU F40 with lift kit, EIBACH ERS springs installed and further based on specification from Auto Motorsport Magazine review back in February 1989. There are some differences to the earlier version replica I have built, mainly the weight, gearing and LSD. I have used LSD profile from F355, this time I have the correct data with 60% lock LSD. For gearing, the Auto Motorsport Mag version although uses different values, also achieved the exact speed/accceleration/top speed and rpm /speed figure on each gear as the other 2 version have posted. The other 2 replica earlier gearing was based on Ferrari owner's club and manual reports, while this one is based on magazine review.

The power of EU F40 from dyno reports with cat installed of 471HP / 478PS / 478CV with curb weight as measured and reported by Auto Motorsport Magazine = 1254kg / 2763.81 lbs and 39.2/60.8 weight distribution. This is curb weight with full fluids and full tank of fuel ( 120L ) - without driver. With a driver, the weight distribution will shift closer to 38/62.
Gross Vehicle Weight ( GVW ) as reported is 1430kg ( max operating weight with driver + passenger + cargo).

Some EU F40 do not have cats installed, usually the early years model, these non Cats F40 has been reported to have in excess of 500HP, some even dynoed with close to 520PS or 513HP.

To achieve the power figure of non cats EU F40, I decided to include 2 optional upgrades path, one uses high rpm range turbo kit and exhaust manifold, the other intake tuning and exhaust manifold. The specs are listed above.

For suspension, I have used EIBACH ERS springs at 8.25kg/mm front and 12.0kg/mm rear, maintaining spring ratio for the stock F40 spring rate, as the stock value can't be achieved. Damper setup for street and track, with ARB set for balance. Toe and camber has been setup with real world alignment values, based on F355 alignment which from report share similar alignment with F40 - closest information I can get :)

An alternate spring rate at 12kg/mm front and rear also provided, this is more oriented for high speed cornering and sweepers.

The real Ferrari F40 has ZF Self Locking LSD, based from Auto Motorsport review specs, the rear LSD has 60% lock, I have tuned likewise, with medium preload. The previous replica LSD which uses specs from Ferrari F355 with 45% lock and high preload also listed as optional.

The corrected EU F40 ratios and final based from the Auto Motorsport mag also able to replicate top speed of real F40 at 324kmh/201mph, furthermore, the rolling acceleration time and vehicle speed at 5th gear 1000rpm has been closely replicated - similar to the tested reports from the magazine.

Various test results from Auto Motorsport mag :

60kmh-100kmh in 4th gear rolling acceleration : 6.3s
80kmh-120kmh in 5th gear rolling acceleration : 8.5s
5th Gear speed at 1000 RPM : 43.5kmh

F40 speed on each gear at about 7400-7700rpm optimal shift point :
1st 90kmh
2nd 144kmh
3rd 201kmh
4th 255kmh
5th 321+kmh

Feel free to try it at SSR7 :)

The F40 was extensively tuned/tested at Ascari, Tsukuba, Spa, Bathurst, Nordschleife, SSR7, Apricot Hill, Brands Hatch GP and Willow Springs.

I also managed to replicate the real life lap time of F40 at Tsukuba, done on Best Motoring at 1:03.73. The car easily do 1:02s comfort soft - slightly quicker than the US F40, as it should :D

Another real life at Suzuka record 2:25.27 in real life can easily be replicated. I managed 2:21.175s on 1st lap.


ENJOY :cheers:



Real life vs GT6 Ride Height :

F/R 115mm / 115mm GT6 vs High Setting Lift Kit

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F/R 101mm / 101mm GT6 vs Standard Lowered Setting Lift Kit

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F/R 81mm / 101mm GT6 vs Track Lowered Setting Lift Kit

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F/R 63mm / 56mm GT6 vs Dropped F40

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AUTO MOTORSPORT Feb '89 Scan
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UPDATE : Added weight figure without fuel, calculated from 120L full tank with 0.711kg = 1 litre of fuel. Weight without fuel is at 1169kg, very close to 1170kg :) Weight distribution at 42/58 without fuel. I have also added new suspension setup based on stock factory Ferrari F40 spring rate ratio, this is the lowest / closest to stock value possible, this setup has ride height based on Best Motoring F40 Tsukuba Battle as driven by Gan-San aka Motoharu Kurosawa, the F40 won the race :D. Ride height at 81mm / 81mm, visually matched :cheers: The F40 with no fuel and Best Motoring ride height + stock spring rate ratio, managed flat 1:42s at Red Bull Ring on Comfort Soft in 1st lap ( cold tires ) :eek:

UPDATE 1.09 : Added Ferrari F40 US Edition Tech Manual Alignment Range, highly recommended to be used as a base to start.
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The AUTO Motorsport Mag EU Spec Ferrari F40 Replica is easily one of my favorite tunes in Ridox's Garage. If you haven't built it yet, do yourself a favor and do so as soon as you have time.

Anyway, the reason I am writing is because I think I found a way to drive this car, exactly as Ridox's build goes, even with the v1.17 transmission bug affecting the tranny flip which is used in this replica build. Here's all I did:

Select the Custom Gearbox
Make sure it's reset to default
Set Final Gear to 3.620
Set Max Speed to 217
Set 1st - 2.769
Set 2nd - 1.722
Set 3rd - 1.227
Set 4th - 0.963
Set 5th - 0.767

That's it. All you're doing is skipping the initial setting of FG to 4.000 and the Max Speed slider to 193 mph. The lines are exactly the same the way I've set my transmission and now I can drive this beauty without fear of that stupid transmission bug resetting my ratios. 👍
 
Ridox2JZGTE
LOTUS ELISE Series 1 1996-2000
Base Model 1.8 Rover K16 Engine Replica

Tuned to replicate Base Model Range
Lotus Elise S1 1.8 '96-'00
Best Motoring Tsukuba Keiichi Tsuchiya Lap Record
Comfort Medium to Sports Soft​





CAR : Lotus Elise '96
Tire : Comfort Medium to Sports Soft

Specs Dry Weight 725kg with 45/55 Distribution
Horsepower: 118 HP at 6200 RPM
Torque: 121.5 ft-lb at 3000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 725 kg
Ballast : 48 kg
Ballast Position : -49
Weight Distribution : 45 / 55
Performance Points: 416

Specs Dry Weight 725kg with 39/61 Distribution
Horsepower: 118 HP at 6200 RPM
Torque: 121.5 ft-lb at 3000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 725 kg
Ballast : 53 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 39 / 61
Performance Points: 416

Specs Dry Weight 725kg with 40.1/59.9 Distribution
Horsepower: 118 HP at 6200 RPM
Torque: 121.5 ft-lb at 3000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 725 kg
Ballast : 48 kg
Ballast Position : 24 - position stays as full tank spec to simulate no fuel distribution
Weight Distribution : 41 / 59 - based on Lotus Service Manual 40.1/59.9 with full tank
Performance Points: 416

Specs Full Tank Weight 755kg with 40.1/59.9 Distribution
Horsepower: 118 HP at 6200 RPM
Torque: 121.5 ft-lb at 3000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 100%
Weight: 755 kg
Ballast : 78 kg
Ballast Position : 24
Weight Distribution : 41 / 59 - based on Lotus Service Manual 40.1/59.9 with full tank
Performance Points: 409




GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Rear Wing Custom Type A ( OPTIONAL - INSTALLED in this build )
Wheels : Standard Size - Stock
Car Paint : Chrome Orange Metallic or Mustard Yellow
Gauges : OPTIONAL ( Free to choose )


Tuning Parts Installed :
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Suspension
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Weigh Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood ( Body Color ) - ONLY INSTALLED for Dry Weight 39/61 Distribution, remove for other specs.
Window Weight Reduction


Suspension - Stock Elise Suspension Retrofit with Eibach Springs and Bilstein Damper
Stock Ride Height + Factory Alignment ( 45/55 Weight Distribution )
Comfort Medium to Sports Soft
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 140 140
Spring Rate: 4.30 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 6
Dampers (Extension): 6 2
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.1 1.8
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18

( Optional ARB 2/1 or 1/1 or 1/2 or 2/2 for better handling on Sports Tires - more stability - try them to find what suits you best when on each respective sports tire )


Suspension - Stock Elise Suspension Retrofit with Eibach Springs and Bilstein Damper
Stock Ride Height + Factory Alignment ( 39/61 Weight Distribution - Dry and Full Tank Weight )
Comfort Tires to Sports Soft
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 140 140
Spring Rate: 4.30 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.1 1.8
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18

For Comfort Tire : ( Optional ARB 2/1 or 1/1 or 1/2 or 2/2 for less responsive handling - more stability )
For Sports Tire ( MANDATORY CHANGE ) :
Sports Hard ARB : 1 2
Sport Medium ARB : 2 1 ( 1/2 or 2/2 can also be used for this tire )
Sport Soft ARB : 1 2


UPDATE - Stock Tire Pirelli/Michelin + ADVAN A038-R - LOWERED Stock Elise Retrofit and Lotus MotorSport Kit
Suspension - Stock Elise Suspension Retrofit with Eibach Springs and Bilstein Damper
Retrofit Lowered Ride Height + Stock Tire Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Medium
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 4.30 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.3 2.0
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18

Suspension - Lotus MotorSport Dual Rate Springs and KONI Damper
MotorSport Road Lowered Ride Height + Stock Tire Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Medium
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.00 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.3 2.0
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18

Suspension - Stock Elise Suspension Retrofit with Eibach Springs and Bilstein Damper
Retrofit Lowered Ride Height + ADVAN A038-R Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Soft + Compatible to Sports Soft Tires
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 4.30 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 1.8 2.7
Toe Angle: -0.04 0.35

Suspension - Lotus MotorSport Dual Rate Springs and KONI Damper
Lowered Ride Height + ADVAN A038-R Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Soft + Compatible to Sports Soft Tires
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.00 6.25
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 1.8 2.7
Toe Angle: -0.04 0.35

Special Rear Damper for 725kg Dry Weight 45/55 Weight Distribution, applicable to all Lowered Suspension + Alignment :

Rear Compression 6
Rear Extension 2

For Comfort Tire : ( Optional ARB 2/1 or 1/1 or 1/2 or 2/2 for less responsive handling - more stability )
For Sports Tire ( MANDATORY CHANGE ) :
Sports Hard ARB : 1 2
Sport Medium ARB : 2 1 ( 1/2 or 2/2 can also be used for this tire )
Sport Soft ARB : 1 2





DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Optional 5 Speed Close Ratio Rover PG1 B4BP
Used on Elise S1 111S, Sports 135
Install all power parts if applicable
Set Default
Use default Auto Max Speed at 249kmh / 155mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.923
2nd 1.750
3rd 1.308
4th 1.033
5th 0.848
Set Final : 4.200


LSD - Stock LSD ( Torsen LSD - Optional feature on the real car )
Initial Torque : 7
Acceleration Sensitivity: 30
Braking Sensitivity: 15


Alternate LSD for Base Elise Without Torsen LSD
LSD - Open Diff
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 5
Braking Sensitivity: 5


Aero ( Optional - if Rear Wing Custom Type A )
Rear : 20 ( Max )




Brake Balance:
5/5 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 3/2, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 5/5 brake balance as starting point.



Notes :

The replica is a build made for @YukinoSuzuka, to replicate a car recently bought in real life 1999 Lotus Elise S1 :) This build is aimed to replicate the real car as close as possible while still aiming for more balance handling.

The base Elise Series 1 uses 1.8 Rover K16 Engine with 118HP or 120PS output. For weight, based on research data, the dry weight is 725kg, with distribution at 45/55. There are variety of weight distribution reported from 45/55 to 39/61 to 35/65, depending on the state of the car ( full tank, with driver or later series 2 with Toyota 1.8 2ZZ heavier engine )

For this replica, weight are in 2 version, dry weight ( no fuel ) at 725kg, and full tank of fuel / curb weight at 755kg. The weight distribution are also provided in several flavor, 45/55, 40.1/59.9 and 39/61. I separated these into 4 built specs, all in 118HP base stock power. Dry weight 725kg comes with 2 distribution 45/55 and 39/61, while the full tank of fuel at 755kg has 40.1/59.9 based on Lotues Service Manual. Only the 725kg 39/61 uses the carbon hood ( body color ) part installed, the other specs do not use carbon hood.

Suspension is the next part to build. The real car spring rate is not possible to use in GT6, due to the lowest value in GT6 is too high. I chose to adapt the S2 Elise retrofit enhancement suspension kit for S1 ( Eibach Springs and Bilstein Damper ) The spring rate of this kit only applicable for the front spring in GT6, as the rear spring rate not possible as it has different lower spring ratio. I adapted similar spring ratio of the stock Elise S1 springs. This yield in 4.3kg/mm front spring and 6.25kg/mm rear spring. Maintaining the ratio of the stock Elise S1 while being as low as possible in GT6.

Damper tuning are in 2 version to support 2 different weight distribution. The difference are in rear damper compression and extension. The heavier rear of 39/61 needed more fine tuned setup to help the rear stay planted and better support of the added lateral load. I used 2 sets of suspension setup above, both uses the same Elise factory alignment.

There is a special setup needed for higher grip tire ( sports tire ) on 39/61 distribution. I added optional anti roll bar ( ARB ) setup for 45/55 distribution that can be used for sports tire. The base 3/1 ARB are optimized for comfort tires ( medium and soft ). The sports tire need different stiffness in ARB at the front ( softer at either 1 or 2 ) if wanted less sharper handling. The range of options are 1/1, 2/1, 1/2 or 2/2. Feel free to try them on SH to SS tire to find what suits you best.

For 39/61 suspension setup, a compulsory ARB changes required for sports tire. The comfort medium and soft can use the same 3/1 ARB which tailored to work with the revised rear damper. For SH, SM and SS tires, ARB setup are listed above, SH and SS uses 1/2 ARB, while SM 2/1 ARB with options to use more varied ARB : 1/2 and 2/2.

The stock gear ratio in GT6 is correct for Elise S1 Base model, but I also provides additional transmission setup to replicate the close ratio 5 speed used on Elise S1 111S and Sports 135 model. The differences are minimal, with slightly shorter 2nd and 3rd gear.

For LSD, the base Elise has optional feature of Torsen LSD. The GT6 stock LSD seems to be setup to simulate this with 7/30/15 settings. I used the stock LSD, as I felt it perform quite well. While I also included an alternative LSD setup to reflect real Elise S1 which do not have optional Torsen LSD fitted. The LSD has 5/5/5 settings to simulate as close as possible rear open differential.

The rear aero part is optional, I installed it just for good looks and set at max value - 20.

The tire used as a base is comfort medium, this is also the tire similar to the real life fitted tire as stock. For reference, I used Keiichi Tsuchiya lap record with Elise S1 '96 at Tsukuba, posting 1:09.70 lap. The replica with dry weight 725kg and 45/55 + 39/61 distribution can lap in low 1:09s on comfort medium and stock gearbox.

I tuned and tested the car at Tsukuba and Big Willow Springs. The Elise S1 on 725kg ( 45/55 and 39/61 ), comfort medium and no assist, can lap in 1:09s, similar to the real life lap.

I have provided 2 replay files, both are done at Tsukuba with 725kg dry weight + stock LSD + stock gear ratio, one with 45/55 and another with 39/61 distribution. Both are in low 1:09s.

Highly recommended to drive with 45/55 725kg spec, very nicely balanced from comfort to sports tires.


Enjoy :cheers:

UPDATE :

Added with correction of the old, full tank weight corrected and another dry weight specs based on Lotus Service Manual.
The Dry weight 40.1/59.9 distribution retains ballast position of the full tank to simulate no fuel distribution changes being reflected.

Added several sets of suspension and alignment for lowered ride height on stock tire ( Pirelli P Zero and Michelin Pilot SX-GT ) + optional ADVAN A038-R tire ( Comfort Soft or Sports Hard in GT6 ) special alignment offered by Lotus. Special rear damper setup for 725kg dry weight 45/55 distribution also added.

The Advan A038-R was recommended fitment for ( Lowered ) MotorSport Suspension Kit with front Dual Rate springs and KONI Damper. Spring rate in GT6 has been adapted from actual rate by maintaining spring ratio as the actual value are not possible for the rear spring.

The stock factory ride height has been corrected at 140mm, with lowered ride height update sets at 100mm/110mm. Lowered alignment are available for both Retrofit + MotorSport springs and ADVAN A038-R specific alignment for both spring rate setup also provided.

There are variety of setups now, feel free to try them and find out which one suits you best for each tire you fit :)

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Just wondering, if I wanted to use this car as a base for building up a Premium Elise Sport 190, what settings you would recommend I use?
 
Pete05
Just wondering, if I wanted to use this car as a base for building up a Premium Elise Sport 190, what settings you would recommend I use?
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I will have to research more, as the Elise S1 Manual I have only covers up to Sport 160 and Exige '00 :)

Sport 160: February '00
SVA: VIN: Y 00601 to 00650.
WVTA: VIN: Y 0651 onwards.
First 50 cars with Single Vehicle Approval. Subsequent cars Whole Vehicle Type Approved. High performance derivative, based on 111S specification with 160 PS fixed valve timing engine. WVTA versions
require airbox modification and sport exhaust fitment for full power release. Other features include new engine
controller, sport suspension, 'race' wheels, plinth mounted rear aerofoil, Alcantara trimmed seats and steering
wheel pad, body decals.


The Engine is detailed a bit ( as track/competition ready package )

XA.2 - 190 VHPD ENGINE
The 190 VHPD (Very High Performance Derivative) engine is designed for motorsport track use only, and
may not comply with emission regulations. The unit is based on the same 1.8 litre Rover 'K series' block as the
standard engine, but with a revised cylinder head featuring new inlet and exhaust camshafts, solid tappets, and
new throttle bodies providing individual throttle butterflies for each cylinder and a competition type oiled foam
air cleaner. The engine bottom end includes forged pistons, strengthened connecting rods and crankshaft, and
a lightened flywheel. A reprogrammed ECM is an integral part of the package. The preferred fuel is 98 RON
unleaded ('Super Unleaded'), although 95 RON is useable. Oil recommendation is Mobil 1 5W/50 fully synthetic
after running in on a good quality mineral oil.
Output: Max. power; 190 ps @ 7,500 rpm
Max. torque; 189 Nm @ 5,600 rpm
The engine is supplied only as a complete assembly for competition use, and does not carry the normal
vehicle or parts warranty. Included in the engine package are:
Engine harness and new ECM with matched security 5AS module.
Exhaust manifold (unchanged).
Inlet manifold, throttle bodies and competition air filter. Air filter oil aerosol.
Fuel rail and injectors.
Alternator and auxiliary belt (unchanged).
Lightened flywheel (no clutch).
Engine mounted water rails.
Oil filter.
Ignition coil, spark plugs and HT harness.

From the Manual.
 
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Ridox2JZGTE
I will have to research more, as the Elise S1 Manual I have only covers up to Sport 160 and Exige '00 :)

Sport 160: February '00
SVA: VIN: Y 00601 to 00650.
WVTA: VIN: Y 0651 onwards.
First 50 cars with Single Vehicle Approval. Subsequent cars Whole Vehicle Type Approved. High performance derivative, based on 111S specification with 160 PS fixed valve timing engine. WVTA versions
require airbox modification and sport exhaust fitment for full power release. Other features include new engine
controller, sport suspension, 'race' wheels, plinth mounted rear aerofoil, Alcantara trimmed seats and steering
wheel pad, body decals.

From the Manual.
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Thankyou for this :cheers:
I'm not sure if it's possible but I wanted to do more than take the easy way out & just raise the power to 190 spec.
I look forward to the results of your research :) 👍
 
Pete05
Thankyou for this :cheers:
I'm not sure if it's possible but I wanted to do more than take the easy way out & just raise the power to 190 spec.
I look forward to the results of your research :) 👍
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Lotus Elise S1 Sport 190 : 670kg, possibly empty, with kerb weight/full tank : 701kg ( based on 340R - similar spec engine ) and 40/60 distribution.
another report :
716.5 kg with Rota wheels,No Radio,11 Litres fuel, lightweight battery, no passenger seat, no roof or rear window. Heavy A-frame cage and 4 1/2L plumbed in extinguisher. Weighed at Snetterton. This should be about 700kg without fuel and extinguisher.

The car has close ratio box from 111S ( already in the elise s1 replica as option )

Maximum power: 190PS (88kW) at 7500rpm.
Maximum torque: 139lb ft (189Nm) at 5600rpm.

Use these for suspension and transmission : ( Used the replica damper setup + ARB, but with Lotus Sport Ohlins Kit )

DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Optional 5 Speed Close Ratio Rover PG1 B4BP
Used on Elise S1 111S, Sports 135
Install all power parts if applicable
Set Default
Use default Auto Max Speed at 249kmh / 155mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.923
2nd 1.750
3rd 1.308
4th 1.033
5th 0.848
Set Final : 4.200

Suspension - Lotus Sport Ohlins
Lowered Ride Height + Stock Tire Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Medium
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.80 7,60
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.3 2.0
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18


Suspension - Lotus Sport Ohlins
Lowered Ride Height + ADVAN A038-R Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Soft + Compatible to Sports Soft Tires
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.80 7.60
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 1.8 2.7
Toe Angle: -0.04 0.35

The suspension needs to be tested, I haven't tried it, just used the real numbers :D
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Lotus Elise S1 Sport 190 : 670kg, possibly empty, with kerb weight/full tank : 701kg ( based on 340R - similar spec engine ) and 40/60 distribution.
another report :
716.5 kg with Rota wheels,No Radio,11 Litres fuel, lightweight battery, no passenger seat, no roof or rear window. Heavy A-frame cage and 4 1/2L plumbed in extinguisher. Weighed at Snetterton. This should be about 700kg without fuel and extinguisher.

The car has close ratio box from 111S ( already in the elise s1 replica as option )

Maximum power: 190PS (88kW) at 7500rpm.
Maximum torque: 139lb ft (189Nm) at 5600rpm.

Use these for suspension and transmission : ( Used the replica damper setup + ARB, but with Lotus Sport Ohlins Kit )

DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Optional 5 Speed Close Ratio Rover PG1 B4BP
Used on Elise S1 111S, Sports 135
Install all power parts if applicable
Set Default
Use default Auto Max Speed at 249kmh / 155mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 2.923
2nd 1.750
3rd 1.308
4th 1.033
5th 0.848
Set Final : 4.200

Suspension - Lotus Sport Ohlins
Lowered Ride Height + Stock Tire Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Medium
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.80 7,60
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 0.3 2.0
Toe Angle: -0.02 0.18


Suspension - Lotus Sport Ohlins
Lowered Ride Height + ADVAN A038-R Alignment ( All Weight Specs )
Comfort Soft + Compatible to Sports Soft Tires
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 100 110
Spring Rate: 5.80 7.60
Dampers (Compression): 8 5
Dampers (Extension): 6 5
Anti-Roll Bars: 3 1
Camber Angle: 1.8 2.7
Toe Angle: -0.04 0.35

The suspension needs to be tested, I haven't tried it, just used the real numbers :D
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Many thanks :bowdown:
I'll apply these settings, run some races & report back.
 
SkullFaceX
Will you do a replica build for these cars
-Corvette C7 Base/Z51/Z06
-Laferrari/FXX-K (based on Enzo)
-Challenger Hellcat
-Camaro ZL1

It would be nice:D
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I actually have C7 Z06 built, it's too unruly on CS tire, needs fine tuning, Hellcat also have been built last year, but still not 100%, while Camaro ZL1, I chose to built this instead last year :

Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 2014/2015 Randy Pobst Lap Record Laguna Seca MotorTrend Best Driver's Car Nov 2014 Champion Replica 505HP 525PP Sports Hard

For La Ferrari, the Enzo is too far off to be used and data is hard to find :(
 
Hello @Ridox2JZGTE it seems i do not had notifications too :D

Not disappeared and still going for a tune every now and then with bad results. I would ask you a question if you get the time to answer it;

how do you choose the Ride height and if to go with soft spring and high dampers or soft spring and soft dampers? It's one of the things i never seem to nail out when i attempt a tune.

Also since they made camber changes i've been very esitant to use it but i see most of your replicas have very strong ones up to 3... What effect it has on recent updates?
 
azidahaka
Hello @Ridox2JZGTE it seems i do not had notifications too :D

Not disappeared and still going for a tune every now and then with bad results. I would ask you a question if you get the time to answer it;

how do you choose the Ride height and if to go with soft spring and high dampers or soft spring and soft dampers? It's one of the things i never seem to nail out when i attempt a tune.

Also since they made camber changes i've been very esitant to use it but i see most of your replicas have very strong ones up to 3... What effect it has on recent updates?
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The alert system is crazy :lol:

For ride height, I usually used ground clearance data, and if I can, use car picture as reference to make sure the numbers as close as possible. Some of the ground clearance spec are spot on in GT6, the Lexus IS-F, Nissan R33 and R34 GTR for example.

Going lower for custom tune, usually I take into account the spring rate, weight and track to used, the harder the spring, less weight and smooth track, the lower you can go. What used in real life are also considered if I have the data :) Here is an example of real life approach, the Nissan GTR GT3 Schulze 2014 N24 car driven by Kaz last year was setup as low as possible that the underbody got worn ( scraped the tarmac ). They used stiffer spring rate and tuned the rest to balance things out.

The high camber often used to replicate similar setup used in real life as well as to get into real life grip level ( often helpful on higher grip tires like sports to racing tire ) ;) GT6 tires are too grippy above SH in general :)

Damper tuning involves more intricate process, usually I have set the spring rate, ARB, alignment and LSD static to set limit on the car behavior. I start with all values at 1 or 3 ( depend on your preference, I usually use 1 ) then I start from front compression and adjust it to half way, then I change it to full. Then I go back to the base setting ( all 1 or 3 ) and compare the car handling ( make a note of the changes in handling ).
Then I soften or harden the front compression in two or three steps, and set the best value after more driving ( put this down so I can remember :lol:), then I set to base line again and make a note of the differences. Then decide the final value.
From there, I move on to front rebound/extension, rear compression and rear extension, same process, each damper done will bring the car to your target/goal.

This takes time, about 30-40 laps usually, which is why I pick Tsukuba for testing track, has all the corners, short and easy to be consistent. Things to note are :
front compression - entry, braking, steering response, bump compliance
rear compression - corner exit, high speed curve, rear reaction on throttle input, bump compliance
front extension - braking, entry, directional response on high speed, corner exit understeer ( lower or higher depend on the car )
rear extension - turn in, mid corner response ( lower will be sluggish and might understeer on FR ) corner exit ( lower usually gives good grip, higher will give sharper rear but tend to be easier to lose traction )

To try what happens, try the RainX Countach on my replica setup to get baseline feel/handling and increase each damper by 1 or 2 ( one a time ) and test drive it to see what happens if front compression or extension or rear comp/ext is higher by 1 or 2.
 
danbojte
Hey @Pete05 , I've used this setup. 👍
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Thanks for the referral Dan :) 👍

The setup I used to replicate the Elise Sport 190 is as follows:

Ride height: 100/110
Springs: 5.80/7.60
Dampers: 8/5
" 6/5
Anti roll bars: 3/1
Toe: -0.04/0.35

I fitted the following parts to reach 190bhp as high in the rev range as possible:

Intake manifold
Stage 2 tuning
Sports computer
Semi racing exhaust
Isometric manifold
Sports catalytic converter
Power limiter set at 92.2%

After fitting all these parts (minus the power limiter), and the Fully customizable transmission, I had to set the Max Speed to 290km/h to make it possible to reach the correct gear ratios.

I decided to aim for the 670kg dry weight (same as the Sport 190 in the game) and could only get as low as 672kg after fitting all weight reductions possible.

Some of the other setup options Ridox has provided for the Elise maybe better suited to the individual but I was fairly happy with the first option I tried.

Thanks for your help guys :cheers:
This version is a lot more fun than the basic Elise '96 with only 120bhp.
 
Pete05
Thanks for the referral Dan :) 👍

The setup I used to replicate the Elise Sport 190 is as follows:

Ride height: 100/110
Springs: 5.80/7.60
Dampers: 8/5
" 6/5
Anti roll bars: 3/1
Toe: -0.04/0.35

I fitted the following parts to reach 190bhp as high in the rev range as possible:

Intake manifold
Stage 2 tuning
Sports computer
Semi racing exhaust
Isometric manifold
Sports catalytic converter
Power limiter set at 92.2%

After fitting all these parts (minus the power limiter), and the Fully customizable transmission, I had to set the Max Speed to 290km/h to make it possible to reach the correct gear ratios.

I decided to aim for the 670kg dry weight (same as the Sport 190 in the game) and could only get as low as 672kg after fitting all weight reductions possible.

Some of the other setup options Ridox has provided for the Elise maybe better suited to the individual but I was fairly happy with the first option I tried.

Thanks for your help guys :cheers:
This version is a lot more fun than the basic Elise '96 with only 120bhp.
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Nice work :D Have good fun winning races with it in A spec ( I used to have Elise race car for grinding at Matterhorn career race )

I have edited the OP picture, it's a lot cooler now :lol:
 
Hey Ridox!
I tried the blackbird today with 600 HP.
At first I used SH tires, but I did not have fun with it, I actually hated it because it was way too slippery for me.
So I put on SS, which are PERFECT for extremely fast laps with your setup, but I thought I want something a little bit more challenging.
Sports Medium were the obvious choice and I had a blast! :)
It is a little bit challenging to drive, but at the same time you can record some pretty fast laps.

Really great job :bowdown:
 
ImmalovemaGTR
Hey Ridox!
I tried the blackbird today with 600 HP.
At first I used SH tires, but I did not have fun with it, I actually hated it because it was way too slippery for me.
So I put on SS, which are PERFECT for extremely fast laps with your setup, but I thought I want something a little bit more challenging.
Sports Medium were the obvious choice and I had a blast! :)
It is a little bit challenging to drive, but at the same time you can record some pretty fast laps.

Really great job :bowdown:
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Thank you, mate :cheers:
 
Ridox2JZGTE
The alert system is crazy :lol:

For ride height, I usually used ground clearance data, and if I can, use car picture as reference to make sure the numbers as close as possible. Some of the ground clearance spec are spot on in GT6, the Lexus IS-F, Nissan R33 and R34 GTR for example.

Going lower for custom tune, usually I take into account the spring rate, weight and track to used, the harder the spring, less weight and smooth track, the lower you can go. What used in real life are also considered if I have the data :) Here is an example of real life approach, the Nissan GTR GT3 Schulze 2014 N24 car driven by Kaz last year was setup as low as possible that the underbody got worn ( scraped the tarmac ). They used stiffer spring rate and tuned the rest to balance things out.

The high camber often used to replicate similar setup used in real life as well as to get into real life grip level ( often helpful on higher grip tires like sports to racing tire ) ;) GT6 tires are too grippy above SH in general :)

Damper tuning involves more intricate process, usually I have set the spring rate, ARB, alignment and LSD static to set limit on the car behavior. I start with all values at 1 or 3 ( depend on your preference, I usually use 1 ) then I start from front compression and adjust it to half way, then I change it to full. Then I go back to the base setting ( all 1 or 3 ) and compare the car handling ( make a note of the changes in handling ).
Then I soften or harden the front compression in two or three steps, and set the best value after more driving ( put this down so I can remember :lol:), then I set to base line again and make a note of the differences. Then decide the final value.
From there, I move on to front rebound/extension, rear compression and rear extension, same process, each damper done will bring the car to your target/goal.

This takes time, about 30-40 laps usually, which is why I pick Tsukuba for testing track, has all the corners, short and easy to be consistent. Things to note are :
front compression - entry, braking, steering response, bump compliance
rear compression - corner exit, high speed curve, rear reaction on throttle input, bump compliance
front extension - braking, entry, directional response on high speed, corner exit understeer ( lower or higher depend on the car )
rear extension - turn in, mid corner response ( lower will be sluggish and might understeer on FR ) corner exit ( lower usually gives good grip, higher will give sharper rear but tend to be easier to lose traction )

To try what happens, try the RainX Countach on my replica setup to get baseline feel/handling and increase each damper by 1 or 2 ( one a time ) and test drive it to see what happens if front compression or extension or rear comp/ext is higher by 1 or 2.
Click to expand...
Thanks :)
 
A LaFerrari "replica" tune based on the Enzo?! :crazy: :eek: :dunce:

I've been meaning to say "Congratulations Ridox!" on having your Blackbird tune thrown into the spotlight on the front page of GTP's news section. I wonder what made them choose that particular car? :boggled: If I had to choose only one tune to highlight your skills as a tuner and more specifically, as a replica tuner, I'm not certain which tune I would highlight. You have quite a few good ones. I've been very impressed with some of the Lamborghini tunes, especially the Diablo tunes. The Ferrari F40 EU AUTO Motorsport Mag tune is definitely one of my favorites. I drive it a lot! Hmmm.... I'm not positive which I would choose.

You say you've got a Z06 tune? :confused: I'm sure your regulars would be more than happy to test the crap out of that setup! :lol: :D 👍 Keep on doin' your thing, Ridox.... 👍
 

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