Senna content coming soon?

[05XR8]

The reason I'm asking is, the relevance of past cars. If PD do not have a DTM licence and still have the MB, A4, OPEL/VAUXHALL, etc. The DTM cars are from different years. The older F1 cars are just as irrelevant to the new generation of F1 cars. All I remember are DTM events from GT3-GT5. BTCC was in GT2. we no longer have any representation from BTCC. So, I can understand if that licence expired.

If PD doesnt require a licence to keep the old cars in the game, do they need a licence to add a couple more Constructors from similar years of the 97T?

 

[Rich S]

They can't add other F1 cars and have them race without an F1 licence.

Oh If I was a game designer at PD.......... So many ways to get around this.

The Formula GT is not an F1 car, so it can race against the Senna car, adding an old CART champ car from the 90s or early 2000s is ok (its not F1). Adding in variations of the Formula GT (like the Gran Turismo 3 FGTs) should be OK as well... Its all just a cluster **** of disappointment when it comes to GT and F1 content mainly because Japanese are only interested in advertising their latest hybrid or sub compact or the latest and greatest GTR/Skyline model.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Formula GT is way too fast.


The 97T didn't produce much downforce at all.


New spin on the whole licensing deal: 97T was stored at Ascari Race Resort. I wonder if 97T was scanned while scanning Ascari Race Resort?

 

[86Debris86]

New spin on the whole licensing deal: 97T was stored at Ascari Race Resort. I wonder if 97T was scanned while scanning Ascari Race Resort?

Interesting... 👍

 

[Bo]

Interesting... 👍

You can drive F1 cars at Ascari - this is pulled from their site:

"During the programme you will get to drive a Lotus Elise, BMW compact 2.5l, Radical SR3, Lola F3 and finally the 1997 Benetton F1."

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Anyone else remember what Top Gear said while testing Audi/BMW/Mercedes Benz? They definitely featured the Lotus... And I know it was stored there, but, how many 97Ts are there in existence?

 

[ironman44321]

Anyone else remember what Top Gear said while testing Audi/BMW/Mercedes Benz? They definitely featured the Lotus... And I know it was stored there, but, how many 97Ts are there in existence?

I think that's the car they used to set the benchmark time correct? That was a good episode...

New spin on the whole licensing deal: 97T was stored at Ascari Race Resort. I wonder if 97T was scanned while scanning Ascari Race Resort?

Yeah I bet that the car Kaz was sitting in was the very car they scanned. It would be almost silly not to use that car since they already had access to it.

 

[Lotus380]

Anyone else remember what Top Gear said while testing Audi/BMW/Mercedes Benz? They definitely featured the Lotus... And I know it was stored there, but, how many 97Ts are there in existence?

They used a Lotus 72 in that episode, from a decade earlier. Still amazing that they have that car at the track to drive.

 

[MatskiMonk]

The reason I'm asking is, the relevance of past cars. If PD do not have a DTM licence and still have the MB, A4, OPEL/VAUXHALL, etc. The DTM cars are from different years. The older F1 cars are just as irrelevant to the new generation of F1 cars. All I remember are DTM events from GT3-GT5. BTCC was in GT2. we no longer have any representation from BTCC. So, I can understand if that licence expired.

If PD doesn't require a licence to keep the old cars in the game, do they need a licence to add a couple more Constructors from similar years of the 97T?

A license is an agreement to allow the use of image rights or intellectual property, whilst there are typical or standard clauses, the actual content of the agreement can vary wildly and is often these days just one agreement in a sea of others. There's any number of scenarios that could lead to the inclusion of some cars, but the exclusion of others. DTM as an example, as well as Super GT are heavily manufacturer backed series. It would be easy for BMW, Audi and Mercedes to dictate that they each retain the rights to license their cars as they see fit - although ITR would obviously retain the rights to the DTM name and logo etc. Where as in a series like the BTCC, it could for instance be a condition of entry that a team give TOCA the rights to the use of the cars in computer games. Some manufacturers/teams may have more bargaining power than others. I'm not saying either of those cases is true, just trying to indicate how it might work.

edit: I'm no expert by the way, but I do have my name on US and European patents, we do own trademarks etc. and we have granted 'licenses' for distribution/use of our IP and branding.

 

[eSZee]

Now i'm curious on whether the 97T will be a fully or partially tesselated vehicle. I'm leaning towards the former but this being PD, I don't know.

Why is tesselation car dependent and not a game wide feature?
Can PD do anything right?

 

[Samus]

The reason I'm asking is, the relevance of past cars. If PD do not have a DTM licence and still have the MB, A4, OPEL/VAUXHALL, etc. The DTM cars are from different years. The older F1 cars are just as irrelevant to the new generation of F1 cars. All I remember are DTM events from GT3-GT5. BTCC was in GT2. we no longer have any representation from BTCC. So, I can understand if that licence expired.

If PD doesnt require a licence to keep the old cars in the game, do they need a licence to add a couple more Constructors from similar years of the 97T?

Not really sure what you're saying. All licenses are handled differently, PD obviously have the license from the manufacturer for any car they include, including the old DTM cars. Unlike F1/FOM they might not have a legal requirement that you need a direct license from DTM to be able to race those cars.

Project CARS for example will feature DTM cars but to date they have no license with DTM itself, only the manufacturers.

With F1 as I say, they could license other old F1 cars directly from the manufacturer but if they want them to race each other, they need an F1 license.

 

[eSZee]

So, this is how I see it going.

1) Wait another month
2) Get a boring TT to win the car
3) Scream because you waited a month to get a car you won't be able to do any races in
4) Try really hard to convince yourself PD is not made up of anything but trolls

Look at this thread since the announcement. Most people have turned 180* into praising PD without them doing anything but showing a picture. PD seems to know what they can get away with.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

They used a Lotus 72 in that episode, from a decade earlier. Still amazing that they have that car at the track to drive.

This is even better, except that it's irrelevant to Senna now. Senna didn't drive that 72, did he?

 

[AudiMan2011]

One car revealed so far isn't going to cut it with me for the time being. PD's going to need to pull out something that doesn't end up making a mockery of Senna's name.

 

[Rich S]

Formula GT is way too fast.


The 97T didn't produce much downforce at all.


New spin on the whole licensing deal: 97T was stored at Ascari Race Resort. I wonder if 97T was scanned while scanning Ascari Race Resort?

Oh no, I mean that the 97T and the FGT and other open wheelers should all be in the game, as there's 1,200 cars and only 1 type of open wheel vehicle.....now 2 if they add in Senna's....

Oh and I think Kaz's version of "Scanning" is to take a look at the car and make his own artistic renditions. For example in our old online F10 championship we got down into the range of 3-5 secs faster a lap than the real car could. Most cars in Gran Turismo are "artistically licensed" meaning they can do what they feel like they want which is usually a good hard look at it, lets hope since this is a MAJOR premium car and not just another Skyline classic form the 90s that he does more than look at it or hold a model of it in Senna's offices.

 

[indiota]

This is even better, except that it's irrelevant to Senna now. Senna didn't drive that 72, did he?

that was Fittipaldi's Lotus.

 

[SpeedyishOlly]

This is even better, except that it's irrelevant to Senna now. Senna didn't drive that 72, did he?

Senna would of been 10 years old when the 72 raced. Maybe he could..

 

[Bo]

lets hope since this is a MAJOR premium car and not just another Skyline classic form the 90s that he does more than look at it or hold a model of it in Senna's offices.

I'm convinced it isn't.

vs

Very, very small difference.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Senna would of been 10 years old when the 72 raced. Maybe he could..

My point exactly. Lotus's young driver training program really worked from a young age.

 

[Tier 2 Racing]

Oh If I was a game designer at PD.......... So many ways to get around this.

The Formula GT is not an F1 car, so it can race against the Senna car, adding an old CART champ car from the 90s or early 2000s is ok (its not F1). Adding in variations of the Formula GT (like the Gran Turismo 3 FGTs) should be OK as well... Its all just a cluster **** of disappointment when it comes to GT and F1 content mainly because Japanese are only interested in advertising their latest hybrid or sub compact or the latest and greatest GTR/Skyline model.

This is where I question the overall direction and vision of GT. Where most would defend that PD can only do what they have license to do in regards to models, as you stated, where there is a will, there is a way. To me, it's unfortunate that there does not seem to be a will in that overall direction.

 

[mister dog]

They can't add other F1 cars and have them race without an F1 licence. That's why every other game except those made by Codemasters has just one model/brand from given years and races in one make races. The only exception are the two 77 cars in FM5 which again, I believe is a special licensing deal related to the movie Rush.

Long story short if you want to recreate F1 racing with multiple teams you need an F1 licence from Bernie/FOM.

Well as to the ways they could license around it if that's possible, the outlook seems bleak regarding the F1 cars if what you are saying is true... Well there's always the mercedes 190, porsche 956, formula fords or the F3 they could add...

Heck if they would add those ones i mentioned above for free and also manage to make them all sound right, i would start contemplating passing by a bargain shelve somewhere in the future and spend 10 euros on a copy of GT6

 

[CinnamonOD]

I want to see a GT6 copy for 10 USD/Euro ↑

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Now is the part wherein I remind everyone that a portion of the sales of GT6 actually go to the Senna institute...

It seems unfair to discuss pricing in this thread.

 

[mister dog]

I want to see a GT6 copy for 10 USD/Euro ↑

In a year or so

edit: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CMJ1FIS/?tag=gtplanetuk-20

15 pounds at the moment

 

[Rodrigo Nunes]

Suzuka, Spa and Nurburgring.

You forgot Monaco(cote d azur) Senna won the most races there and did very well in monaco.

All in all I will be very happy with This Lotus and a base model. Online races will be fun and I HOPE they keep the sound at least as good as the red bull juniors.

 

[Rodrigo Nunes]

Well, colour me impressed, I'm glad to admit my pessimstic predictions were (finally) wrong. At last PD throws us a bone, and a Senna-licious one at that. Here's hoping that it'll serve as an opportunity to re-ignite GT6 and drive it away from abandonment 👍.

While I'm happy with the news, its may first and we still have nothing thats playable. Only a vague promise. Which is better then what we had yesterday.....nothing.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

While I'm happy with the news, its may first and we still have nothing thats playable. Only a vague promise. Which is better then what we had yesterday.....nothing.

The promise says later this month. It will probably be the main May update.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

You forgot Monaco(cote d azur) Senna won the most races there and did very well in monaco.

All in all I will be very happy with This Lotus and a base model. Online races will be fun and I HOPE they keep the sound at least as good as the red bull juniors.

They won't use Monaco.

 

[Rodrigo Nunes]

They won't use Monaco.

Because of FOM?

 

[eSZee]

Now is the part wherein I remind everyone that a portion of the sales of GT6 actually go to the Senna institute...

It seems unfair to discuss pricing in this thread.

Just like it's unfair of PD to capitalize on Senna's name?
I'll send the Senna institute $5. I'm sure that's much more than they receive from the copy of GT6 I bought.