The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[TokoTurismo]

When did this thread become a GT6 vs pCARS thread? If people likes pCARS so much, why not go and discuss there. Like, I know people hate GT just because it remains to be popular worldwide. Oops, did that anger some people? The more you hate GT, the more you care for it is why its still popular.

"Yeah, I'm gonna move on." Next day. "NO, GT, I'll never leave you!!!!"

 

[machschnel]

Sign ups for PCars are closed at this point so you can't get it on PC.

True, but it wasn't always as it currently is. While it wasn't exactly my cup of tea (yet), I did enjoy it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

True, but it wasn't always as it currently is. While it wasn't exactly my cup of tea (yet), I did enjoy it.

Can't really compare PCars to anything directly as it's just in development stages and they are still working out the bugs. It does have a huge potential and I will get PS4 when PCars goes gold for sure.

 

[VolkswagenX]

That doesn't answer my questions or relate to anything.

Stop me from doing what? Playing GT6? That should be clear... Are we done here?

 

[TokoTurismo]

Stop me from doing what? Playing GT6?

Stop RIGHT there. So you ARE going to play GT6. That's great to hear, WOOHOO!!

 

[VolkswagenX]

Stop RIGHT there. So you ARE going to play GT6. That's great to hear, WOOHOO!!

No I won't

 

[TokoTurismo]

No I won't

But, but, you said-- Aww oh well. Carry on.

 

[Earth]

So can we expect you back when GT comes out on the PS4? We'll probably have a launch date by the time PCARS comes out.

Maybe. It will probably be a nice technical showcase, and little else, like the last couple of games.

1. With a 70 million install base, GT5 sold 10 million copies. PS4 will be a long time before it even reaches the 10 million unit mark so there's no chance that GT6 on PS4 would have anywhere near the sales as it will on PS3.

2. You're assuming it's apples and apples when it comes to launching GT6 on PS4. I don't believe it is. I doubt PD would be ready at this point to launch on PS4, perhaps another year down the road at best and even then it might be rushed and turn into GT5 Part II.

Seems to me taking in the bigger picture, aka maximizing profits, release GT6 now on PS3 and then GT7 on PS4 perhaps in the holiday season of 2015. Makes much more sense to me and obviously PD as well. You also get the added bonus of having all the tracks and premium cars in GT6, + new cars and tracks, + DLC. GT7 could easily be 150 + tracks and variations along with 600 fully premium cars.

GT3 was released about 8 months after the North America PS2 launch, and about a year after the Japanese launch. Its now the best selling GT by far.

As for #2, this is why so many people have become fed up with PD. They are horrendously slow compared to the competition. And is it ever worth the wait? GT5 wasnt, and from the looks of GT6, it wont be either. Now they are almost borderline laughing stocks, as they are literally a generation behind.

The real problem here is PD. They're becoming an awful developer. GT6 should have been ready at the end of last year, or 2 years after GT5. Because they are slow, Sony had to choose one of two lose-lose scenarios. Release late on PS3 and lose sales, or release on PS4 early and lose sales. The safest bet was release on PS3 late. But Sony didnt count on PD making marginal if any improvements to things people complained about in GT5, which will cost them sales.

Sony needs to step in and do something. Start demanding 2 year release cycles. Because competition is coming and they wont have the market cornered anymore

Ugh, unlicensed LMP. No wonder it has a damage model like that, it doesn't have any Legal Hoops to jump through.

No need to make excuses for PD. Plenty of games have far better damage models with licensed vehicles. Need for Speed Rivals being one of them. PD simply doesnt care about damage, and they even said so themselves. If you dont believe me Ill dig up the link. Something about wanting people to focus on the beauty of the cars. Again, PD not caring what the fanbase wants and doing their own thing. Im done supporting such a company. They just might be the most arrogant of them all.

 

[Roflwaffle]

No I won't

Good all that would mean is another person who hates GT6 and PD but still plays GT regularly because they just can't except they actually like it, just like most people on this forum...

 

[VolkswagenX]

But, but, you said-- Aww oh well. Carry on.

Good all that would mean is another person who hates GT6 and PD but still plays GT regularly because they just can't except they actually like it, just like most people on this forum...

Lol I did buy every GT Game from the first one except for the PSP game. The truth is that I want PD to do well and I come here hoping to finally see the improvement that fans of the series have been hoping for. I'm a fanboy that lost faith. Happy now?

 

[Johnnypenso]

GT3 was released about 8 months after the North America PS2 launch, and about a year after the Japanese launch. Its now the best selling GT by far.

As for #2, this is why so many people have become fed up with PD. They are horrendously slow compared to the competition. And is it ever worth the wait? GT5 wasnt, and from the looks of GT6, it wont be either. Now they are almost borderline laughing stocks, as they are literally a generation behind.

8 months is not Day 1 so again it's not apples and apples. They have a choice to release GT6 today with no PS4's sold or 70,00,000 PS3's in place. Waiting 8 months isn't an option that makes sense. Sell it now, make the money now, in two years release the next version of the game on the new console.

I'm not debating the merits of GT, PD or anything else. From a purely business standpoint this looks like the smartest decision and while some people may be fed with PD, 10,000,000 of them said otherwise in the last 3 years. The bank accounts voice is much stronger than some anonymous people posting on the internet, whether their criticisms are justified or not.

If you don't like the game fine, don't buy it, we all have that choice obviously. But making GT6 a PS4 game at the launch of the platform makes no sense for this franchise.

 

[Roflwaffle]

Im done supporting such a company. They just might be the most arrogant of them all.

Then go away.

 

[Earth]

Then go away.

If you dont want to hear whining and crying, then dont visit this thread.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Stop me from doing what? Playing GT6? That should be clear... Are we done here?

I'd recommend reading. Again. As what I said was pretty clear.

I just don't understand how it's that much a deal to some people that they refuse to play it. Seems a little daft.



When did I say it did come at the right time? Or that you and others will move on?

Yet you responded with your original post which doesn't answer my questions or even a reasonable response. To me, it seems like your avoiding my statements and questions.

 

[Roflwaffle]

If you dont want to hear whining and crying, then dont visit this thread.

People use this thread as an outlet to describe everything wrong with GT in the hope that one day these things will be improved. You have no hope for GT6 or the franchise and are only here in the hope that GT6 will be a failure and PD will be unsuccessful and people will stop buying their games.

 

[bodger]

Maybe. It will probably be a nice technical showcase, and little else, like the last couple of games.



GT3 was released about 8 months after the North America PS2 launch, and about a year after the Japanese launch. Its now the best selling GT by far.

As for #2, this is why so many people have become fed up with PD. They are horrendously slow compared to the competition. And is it ever worth the wait? GT5 wasnt, and from the looks of GT6, it wont be either. Now they are almost borderline laughing stocks, as they are literally a generation behind.

The real problem here is PD. They're becoming an awful developer. GT6 should have been ready at the end of last year, or 2 years after GT5. Because they are slow, Sony had to choose one of two lose-lose scenarios. Release late on PS3 and lose sales, or release on PS4 early and lose sales. The safest bet was release on PS3 late. But Sony didnt count on PD making marginal if any improvements to things people complained about in GT5, which will cost them sales.

Sony needs to step in and do something. Start demanding 2 year release cycles. Because competition is coming and they wont have the market cornered anymore



No need to make excuses for PD. Plenty of games have far better damage models with licensed vehicles. Need for Speed Rivals being one of them. PD simply doesnt care about damage, and they even said so themselves. If you dont believe me Ill dig up the link. Something about wanting people to focus on the beauty of the cars. Again, PD not caring what the fanbase wants and doing their own thing. Im done supporting such a company. They just might be the most arrogant of them all.

How can you think a 2 year cycle will help, when you posted previously that they haven't done anything in 3 years? You can't have it both ways.

I am not sure where you get the idea the current release is 'late'. The first time any basic date was mentioned was 'Holiday 2013' in the official Silverstone announcement, if the do ship 6th December, and you count Christmas as a holiday, if anything they are early.

To say that they are a border line laughing stock is completely over egging the pudding. Sales in the millions, fan sites all over the place and the respect of the car industry. I don't see what there is to laugh at.

As far as the damage thing is concerned, it is GT thing. Like it or loath it, it is a design decision. As this article puts it 'Gran Turismo isn't about smashing cars up'. https://www.gtplanet.net/damage-modelling-in-gran-turismo-6-similar-to-gt5/

I kind of understand your disappointment if you have all these internal expectations, but it sounds like you need to move on.

 

[VolkswagenX]

I'd recommend reading. Again. As what I said was pretty clear.



Yet you responded with your original post which doesn't answer my questions or even a reasonable response. To me, it seems like your avoiding my statements and questions.

Not going to, you win the argument:tup:

 

[Earth]

How can you think a 2 year cycle will help, when you posted previously that they haven't done anything in 3 years? You can't have it both ways.

I am not sure where you get the idea the current release is 'late'. The first time any basic date was mentioned was 'Holiday 2013' in the official Silverstone announcement, if the do ship 6th December, and you count Christmas as a holiday, if anything they are early.

To say that they are a border line laughing stock is completely over egging the pudding. Sales in the millions, fan sites all over the place and the respect of the car industry. I don't see what there is to laugh at.

As far as the damage thing is concerned, it is GT thing. Like it or loath it, it is a design decision. As this article puts it 'Gran Turismo isn't about smashing cars up'. https://www.gtplanet.net/damage-modelling-in-gran-turismo-6-similar-to-gt5/

I kind of understand your disappointment if you have all these internal expectations, but it sounds like you need to move on.

OK well I think I made my points. I'll let others come in here and whine and cry. Im sure there will be plenty after launch. Hopefully you guys thought my crying and whining was pretty epic.

 

[bodger]

OK well I think I made my points. I'll let others come in here and whine and cry. Im sure there will be plenty after launch. Hopefully you guys thought my crying and whining was pretty epic.

I'd agree with that

 

[KWZX10]

2 years cycle? Hell no, look at cod,leave that attitude to them.

 

[mistersafeway]

2 years cycle? Hell no, look at cod,leave that attitude to them.

I only wish I could like this multiple times... a release schedule usually creates a cash cow, like Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed. If they did that, I'd probably give up on GT (like the aforementioned Assassin's Creed after II), Hell, I'd give up on gaming entirely if even Polyphony caved in to that s:censored:.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Well, I've decided to go ahead and cancel my GT6 preorder and put the money toward a PS+ subscription for PS4. Its what I wanted to do all along, but a moment of weakness a week or so ago caught me off guard. I feel like an addict, but even worse Im getting the stuff swept off the floor thats mixed with hair and food crumbs. My obsession is with something thats not even of great quality.

Im sure many people will find alot of enjoyment with GT6. I doubt it will be a bad game. Its building on GT5, but I feel some areas of the home are in need of a desperate remodeling, yet PD has only painted on top of the dust, cracking paint, and cobwebs. The ugly nature of the neglected rooms is still there, and very little has been done to address them.

I must only accept and demand the best in life. I feel GT no longer is the best in its genre, and hasnt been for a while now. If it were somewhat close I could give it a pass, but IMO its not. Everything outside of the tracklist has disappointed me greatly. Physics and sound may have gotten revamped, but its the same people revamping these things, so core issues like no torque steer , bad crash and collision physics, and shallow, lifeless sound remain. GT is not built for the consumer. Its one man's dream, and hes letting us in on it, for a fee. If a developer flat out refuses to listen to criticism and consumer feedback this day and age, I cant support them. Yes, we're getting better AI apparently, but it seems to have been added at the last moment like some afterthought, despite being the most requested improvement wanted in GT.

I cant say with any confidence GT6 is a game worth 200 or so hours of my time. In less then 24 hours I'll have the most powerful console ever made. So why should I turn it off to entertain blocky shadows, 2D trees, sub 1920x1080p resolution, standard cars, standard tracks, and more on a console 7 years old? I can understand those who arent interested in PS4 for now enjoying GT6, but balancing hundreds of hours of GT6 with next-gen is simply not worth it for me, considering the marginal improvements and in some cases step backwards in the core areas of a driving simulation.

For a member like yourself named "Earth" i find your lack of understanding (toward PD and Kaz and Sony) disconcerting.
You out of everyone should be well grounded to "earth" and be realistic... to know that things are not as simple as it seems...

I guess you are too grounded to earth by being overly realistic, expecting too much sitting comfortably in your chair (like me ).

You are throwing PD and Kaz under the bus without fully understanding their decisions and compromises.
So much to ask Sony to dismiss Kaz, the man who started it all, all for your pleasure and Sony's revenue ?!

Where is the passion? Where is the human side of things? Where are the struggles?
You talk about loss sales in one of your above post... .... based on what??!
If Sony/PD/Kaz continue to have such success even with "marginal" improvements, imagine what success if they had more ressources... And dont you think they know that already... but from Kaz's perspective, they are not going the EA route... they are sticking to their original team, supporting each other, keeping the heart beat alive... that passion and sharing the struggles, their sweat and tears .... for us!

You should appreciate that instead of being an ungrateful and asking for more...


Having said all that, I respect your choice tho, since we all have the freedom to buy whatever we want...
But to say GT6 is not up to the standard?!? that's an insult to their hardwork.

I for one, will continue to support their (slow but steady) effort! (EDIT: And GT6 being on PS3 is much easier on my wallet than if it were being on PS4 )

OK well I think I made my points. I'll let others come in here and whine and cry. Im sure there will be plenty after launch. Hopefully you guys thought my crying and whining was pretty epic.

Well i guess we couldn't help you or find a way to console you... but somehow you did stop whining and crying on your own...

As for me, coming here, the only thing that made it bare-able (and that kept me coming back!) is your avatar... i put up against all your whining and crying imagining she was the one talking... I dont know if i will be able to come back reading this thread if you leave...

 

[Kobooi]

they are sticking to their original team, supporting each other, keeping the heart beat alive... that passion and sharing the struggles, their sweat and tears .... for us!

I just tasted some vomit. Are you working for Hallmark?
You're using passion as an excuse for amateurism and strange decisions, although passion is the last thing that shows in GT6.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Ok now, you guys may resume your usual whine and cry ...

 

[machschnel]

You have no hope for GT6 or the franchise and are only here in the hope that GT6 will be a failure and PD will be unsuccessful and people will stop buying their games.

That's a fallacy often used to describe "complainers" ie. they want to see Polyphony burn.

In a lot of cases this couldn't be further from the truth, Earth included. He obviously cares deeply about the Gran Turismo series and his views on how the series should progress, even though they differ from yours, are no less legitimate.

It's not all smiles and sunshine being a Gran Turismo fan and I think it's easy to see this personified in some posters more than others.

 

[sayba2th]

I think at the end of the day whether or not you love/hate whatever your opinion on this game stands the very core concept of the game is one of the greatest platforms to have come along for a car "game".

What has been the bane for lots of people and for various reason is the execution of certain ares of the game. Be it sounds, the car list, tracks, career mode, ai ect. PD's core has been used by others as "imitation is the greatest form of flattery" and Forza for eg has no qualms in referencing GT as it's model for their series. So we all see the potential of what GT has been, is and could be.

Overall I still see more pluses than minus' with GT6 (there are still things I want to see improved) but for me Dec 6 is on lock. I can understand those who feel otherwise.

 

[MXH]

That's a fallacy often used to describe "complainers" ie. they want to see Polyphony burn.

In a lot of cases this couldn't be further from the truth, Earth included. He obviously cares deeply about the Gran Turismo series and his views on how the series should progress, even though they differ from yours, are no less legitimate.

Agreed. I personally want nothing less than PD raising their game substantially and be the best of the best. And I definitely don't want to see PD going out of business either. If people want to draw that conclusion from what I write here, fine, but none of my criticism will ever suggest that as it would be insane.

 

[Imari]

Would you not say that most of this is a list of 'features' that were added over time? Rather than serious horrific bugs and bad design decisions indicative of mismanagement?

I say that things that were available in GT4/GT5P and were not in GT5 1.01 are indicative of mismanagement.
I say that basic usability errors are indicative of mismanagement.
I say that basic design flaws are indicative of mismanagement.

Anything that was in the manual but not in game at release is mismanagement.

Adding features is and was great. I applaud them for that. But a lot of the early patches for GT5 were keeping promises made on the game box/manual, fixing showstopper design flaws, and fixing stuff that was just plain not working.

 

[Silver-Sylph]

My major gripe is still no livery editor, i mean come on it cannot be that difficult. Also Polyphony needs to update some of their tracks, Monaco has looked exactly the same since gt3 and London's needs to have some sort of pitlane added or a new layout.

 

[PepeMickey]

Of course nobody wants PD to burn but if that's the case, they sure as hell had it coming. If the giant has to be taken down in order to make space for smaller franchises, then so be it.