@JLBowler “Everyone“ is a [clever] loophole. 5:30 minutes? Just struck me. From where did that come? That blows it outta the water. 8:15 opens car list to many.
5:30 is the time limit to get three laps but you already know that. Everyone was probably a bit to general. Should have said mid-division lap time.
I can tell you straight up that I will not vote, if any proposal gets that far with the BoD, for anything involving a two lap race at any track so why would I ask for data to support something that I wouldn't support. I'll look at a proposal that gives a three lap race. Like I said to MikeGrove, the ball is in your court so get to testing.
Should I test which cars can do a roughly eight minute long lap as well? I was thinking most combinations would require a two lap race rather than a three lap race. The Yaris cannot do a 5:30.000 lap...
Would be a shame to exclude so many vehicles just to make the race be minimum three laps long, for exactly 16 min. Can we amend the rule for this long circuit, allowing a combo to be below 16 minutes if adding another lap will force the combination to exceed the maximum allowed total time? I don’t think anyone would mind a one minute shorter race if that were to happen occasionally.
Should I test which cars can do a roughly eight minute long lap as well? I was thinking most combinations would require a two lap race rather than a three lap race. The Yaris cannot do a 5:30.000 lap...
Would be a shame to exclude so many vehicles just to make the race be minimum three laps long, for exactly 16 min. Can we amend the rule for this long circuit, allowing a combo to be below 16 minutes if adding another lap will force the combination to exceed the maximum allowed total time? I don’t think anyone would mind a one minute shorter race if that were to happen occasionally.
I will not support any proposal that results in two lap races. If you want to ask some of the other BoD members if they would support it then be my guest. If more BoD members support a two lap race and giving up race time then it can be adopted. I've given you what I would need to see to propose something to the BoD because you keep tagging me in posts asking why it can't be added. A race under the 16:30 limit is already allowed. Going over 16:30 per race for a mid-division time is what is not allowed.
Having a car that can run a 6 minute lap would make for a 12 minutes race. Would be a shame to give up 4:30 of potential race time per race just to race at a really long road.
I have read the first post and would like to join. I was a member of Snail years ago, but due to moving and family commitments, I had to take a hiatus. I'm now a settled and would like to rejoin for some fun and relaxation.
I have read the first post and would like to join. I was a member of Snail years ago, but due to moving and family commitments, I had to take a hiatus. I'm now a settled and would like to rejoin for some fun and relaxation.
Thanks for your interest!
Here's what you need to know (and do) in order to join SNAIL Racing League:
We run a clean league by enforcing a strict penalty system based on the SNAIL OLR (which is a modified version of the GTP OLR). We also expect all of our drivers to know and follow The Good Racecraft Guide. Please become versed in both if you aren't already. Once that is complete, please follow the steps below to complete your entry into the league:
1. You start a conversation and add zer05ive, JLBowler, nmcp1, Rednose58, MajorBlixem, SAMHAIN85 & llNovall as participants.
The conversation title should be "Request To Join".
2. SNAIL Administrators will respond with specific instructions on what you need to accomplish to join the SNAIL [Spec] Racing.
3. Place the following links (URLs) in the favorites (or bookmarks) in your web browser for quick reference. Please make every effort to read and understand the following links. Over the years a great deal of time and effort has gone into creating this league and we would like nothing more than to have you but we ask that you take the time and effort to do your homework. 99.9% of any question you may have about SNAIL can be found in the posts below.
Again, the original post has everything you need to know about what to expect on Sunday night and what you will need to have completed in order to be competitive. If you have any questions, please feel free to post your question on the thread.
During the week we run a number of different events, we encourage all SNAILs to join as many as possible.
Welcome to SNAIL
I have read the first post and would like to join. I was a member of Snail years ago, but due to moving and family commitments, I had to take a hiatus. I'm now a settled and would like to rejoin for some fun and relaxation.
I’m still not sure why there’s a hangup on number of laps. Seems arbitrary to say minimum laps is 2 given that the actual target 16.5 minutes. Okay, so there is concern that a super-dee-duper car would run mid-division lap time of 5:31 to 6:30, resulting in a short race of 11 to 13 minutes. The number of cars that can do that is very low (and these cars don’t typically get picked). Q: How many would be unhappy with an infrequent short race? A: Not nearly the amount that would be upset with the dude who picked it [the tomahawk-ish car].
In any case, seems there was a pole taken and if I remember, there wasn’t too much interest. But I still like the meme Mike produced!
I’m still not sure why there’s a hangup on number of laps. Seems arbitrary to say minimum laps is 2 given that the actual target 16.5 minutes. Okay, so there is concern that a super-dee-duper car would run mid-division lap time of 5:31 to 6:30, resulting in a short race of 11 to 13 minutes. The number of cars that can do that is very low (and these cars don’t typically get picked). Q: How many would be unhappy with an infrequent short race? A: Not nearly the amount that would be upset with the dude who picked it [the tomahawk-ish car].
In any case, seems there was a pole taken and if I remember, there wasn’t too much interest. But I still like the meme Mike produced!
I wouldn't worry too much about it. A quick feeling out of the rest of the BoD didn't exactly generate a whole lot of support for making any changes to allow for the selection of the Nurburgring with the Nordschliffe portion.
To add to @Nick Cannella post, if you wish to be granted access to either the scoring or data sheets, please send me a private message. The reason this is done in a private message is that you must provide an email address to be granted access to the sheets and we don't want to do that in public.
Please specify which sheet you want access to. The scoring sheet is just for entering results during race night. The data sheet is for entering fast laps for all drivers after racing is completed.
I was thinking their was going to be racing next Sunday and look at the calendar that no racing will be happening next Sunday due to the Super Bowl. I was laughing to myself when i seen the race calendar won't be till the 14th. Really great combo's for next official racing.
Welcome to SNAIL
From our humble beginnings, SNAIL (aka Sunday Night American Interactive League) is now the largest console-based sim racing league in the world. Our mission is to provide our members with clean, intense, and competitive racing - regardless of skill level! We believe that providing full grids of evenly-matched competitions is the most realistic way to race, improve skill, and refine racecraft! Our league night is Sunday at 9:30pm Eastern / 6:30pm Pacific, but we also have a a wide variety of other events held on other nights of the week. If this sounds like something you'd like to be a part of, please keep reading to learn more about us and how to join.
What Makes Us Different
SNAIL is the only sim racing league in the world that's able to combine five key features into one consolidated package. First of all, we provide you with evenly-matched competition to drivers of all skill levels. In fact, the intense level of competition that we produce has established SNAIL as the "go to" place to prepare for GT Academy. And if you want to keep track of your improvement along the way, you'll be glad to know that we keep the most comprehensive race data available on GTPlanet. We also feature an interactive process that allows all of our members to have a say in which cars and tracks we race. And last but not least, we're the only league that awards our members with valuable prizes just for racing with us!
Evenly-Matched Competition
Have you ever watched a professional race where drivers with completely different skill levels were competing on the same track? Of course not! That wouldn't be fun to watch, let alone fun to participate in. Unfortunately, that disparity of pace is something you'll often find in organized online racing. When this happens, you'll be lucky to have just a few drivers that you're truly competitive with. Everyone else will usually either be faster or slower than you. We prevent that from happening in SNAIL by dividing our drivers into separate divisions based on speed and skill. This results in full grids of evenly-matched competition and creates the closest and most intense sim racing experience around!
Prepare for GT Academy
If you'd like to compete in GT Academy, there's no better place than SNAIL to hone your skills to the elite levels necessary to make it to the finals. You need to be the best of the best to make it to Silverstone, and that's exactly what the drivers in our top division are. Half of last year's and half of this year's Silverstone Finalists have raced in SNAIL. And since our race format (which features multiple sprint races) is almost identical to the format used at the GT Academy national finals, they were able to use their SNAIL experience to help them advance to Silverstone. Click here if you want to advice from last year's eventual champion and click here if you want advice from last year's runner-up.
Valuable Prizes
Have you ever wished you could win free stuff just for having fun? If so, then you might want to know that our members win valuable real-world prizes just for racing with us! These prize are based on participation and not on race results. Some examples of prizes our members have won include GranStand sim racing products like this, this and this, ButtKicker products like a Gamer2 and a Wireless ButtKicker Kit. You can also join Team SNAIL and earn even more prizes, such as shirts (e.g. S.N.A.I.L. shirt, F1 shirt, GT Academy shirt), video capture devices (e.g. Hauppauge PVR), sim racing equipment (e.g. Playseat Evolution), and even gift cards (e.g. Amazon and PSN).
Spec Racing
SNAIL has always been a one-make series, but when we decided to prohibit tuning in all of our races, we became the first "spec" racing league on GTPlanet. Spec racing ensures that success is determined primarily by driving skill and not by differences in power, gearing, suspension, weight, or aerodynamics. Because variables in the car are eliminated, spec racing is the truest measure of driver skill! It also produces intense battles for position because all of the cars are equally strong or weak in the same areas of the track. Plus, you'll never spend hours tuning cars or wondering if someone is truly faster than you or if they just have a better tune.
Race Format
Our league night lasts for two hours and is split into three rounds. Each round consists of two races that last 10 to 12 minutes on a predetermined car and track combo. At the beginning of each round, a brief qualifying session determines the order of the starting grid. The first race is set to 'Fastest First' to reward the best qualifiers and the second race is set to 'Reverse Grid' in order to promote on-track action. Points are awarded based on our "perfect" points system. After a round is completed, we move on to the next round and repeat the same process with the next car and track combination. Once all three rounds are complete, we tally up the points and then let our interactive format kick in.
Interactive Participation
Our unique format allows everyone to have a say on which cars and tracks we race. It's also used to strike a balance between familiarity and variety of our car and track combos. In other words, the progression of cars and tracks that we race is slow enough for us to learn them well, but fast enough that they don't get "old". At the end of every league night, everyone votes on which car and track combo they enjoyed the least. The combo that receives the most "elimination votes" is dropped from the next week's lineup entirely. The combo that receives the second most votes is also dropped, but only partially. This is where our prizes come into play:
Prizes
A prize is awarded to the divisions winners with the three highest scores*. The division winner with the highest score gets Prize A. The division winner with the second highest score gets Prize B. The division winner with the third highest score gets Prize C: (NOTE: We now have a new process for breaking ties in the elimination vote) Prize A: The right to select the new car and track combo to replace the combo that was voted off Prize B: The right to replace either the car or the track of the combo that received the second most votes Prize C: The right to "freeze" either the car or the track of the combo that received the second most votes
Promotion and Relegation
Although we split our drivers into separate divisions based on performance and skill level, we realize that our drivers are constantly improving and deserve a chance to climb the ladder of success. That's why we promote and relegate drivers before every season based on the results and data compiled during the previous season. This is also done to ensure that our races are as competitive as possible for all of our league members, top to bottom. Regardless of which division you're in, you will almost always be fighting to gain or defend a position on the track. Simply put, no other Gran Turismo league in the world can offer this much competitive racing to so many different skill levels.
Comprehensive Race Data
It's not always accurate to promote and relegate drivers based on championship points alone. That's why the massive amounts of data we track are invaluable to our league. You'd be hard-pressed to find a sim racing league anywhere in the world that tracks driver data and race results more comprehensively than we do. In fact, our SNAIL Data document contains so much information that we have to archive old data to avoid exceeding the GoogleDoc's maximum capacity! You can use this data to track the points championship for each season and compare yourself to other drivers in categories such as fast laps, total race pace, total points, average points per race, and power rankings.
Rules
We expect all drivers to follow our OLR Rules and pursue good racecraft at all times. If you're not sure what good racecraft is, watch this video. It can be summed up in one simple 'Golden Rule' of motorsports: It is the responsibility of the overtaking driver, meaning the car that is attempting to execute the pass, to make sure that the pass is made cleanly and incident free. If you don't agree with this rule or don't think it applies to you, this is not the league for you. If you ever feel like a driver is not following the rules, please wait until league night is over, then file a Racing Incident Report. Our Stewards will review the incident and issue the appropriate penalties.
Based on Dealership PP (not the PP after an oil change)
below 349 PP -> Comfort Mediums
350-399 PP ---> Comfort Softs
400-449 PP ---> Sports Hards
450-499 PP ---> Sports Mediums
500-549 PP ---> Sports Softs
550-599 PP ---> Racing Hards
600 PP & up --> Racing Mediums
How To Join Us Step 1: Post a reply (by clicking the 'Reply' button at the bottom of this post) stating, "I have read the first post and would like to join," and tell us how you heard about SNAIL. (Do not start a conversation with anyone, just post your request on this thread). Step 2: Watch the thread for a reply to your post and follow the instructions provided. Step 3: Purchase the three cars listed in the lineup for our next races. Step 4: Wait to be assigned to a division and then join that division's lounge on Sunday night.
If you are not sure which division you are assigned to, please check the Offical Driver List
For a list of helpful links and FAQ's, please click here.
I have read the first post and would like to join. Someone I raced with the other night told me about SNAIL, don't remember his full PSN it was Creative"something"
I have read the first post and would like to join. Someone I raced with the other night told me about SNAIL, don't remember his full PSN it was Creative"something"
Thanks for your interest!
Here's what you need to know (and do) in order to join SNAIL Racing League:
We run a clean league by enforcing a strict penalty system based on the SNAIL OLR (which is a modified version of the GTP OLR). We also expect all of our drivers to know and follow The Good Racecraft Guide. Please become versed in both if you aren't already. Once that is complete, please follow the steps below to complete your entry into the league:
1. You start a conversation and add zer05ive, JLBowler, nmcp1, Rednose58, MajorBlixem, SAMHAIN85 & llNovall as participants.
The conversation title should be "Request To Join".
2. SNAIL Administrators will respond with specific instructions on what you need to accomplish to join the SNAIL [Spec] Racing.
3. Place the following links (URLs) in the favorites (or bookmarks) in your web browser for quick reference. Please make every effort to read and understand the following links. Over the years a great deal of time and effort has gone into creating this league and we would like nothing more than to have you but we ask that you take the time and effort to do your homework. 99.9% of any question you may have about SNAIL can be found in the posts below.
Again, the original post has everything you need to know about what to expect on Sunday night and what you will need to have completed in order to be competitive. If you have any questions, please feel free to post your question on the thread.
During the week we run a number of different events, we encourage all SNAILs to join as many as possible.
Welcome to SNAIL
I don’t think anyone would mind a one minute shorter race if that were to happen occasionally.
I didn't realize it was THAT long ago?!!
