2014 NASCAR Thread
- Thread starter Jahgee
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The problem though is that now it basically means the teams that gets that one lucky win and doesn't do squat have get in only to again get in the way and the teams that have a season's worth of good runs only to get it flushed down the toilet, just like the current system does but now twice as badly. I just can't give this a chance, its just another gimmick and this is already a problem with NASCAR (and to an alarmingly increasing case, F1): Too many gimmicks and not enough actual racing.
They get rid of the chase, then every race suddenly becomes valuable because there's no cutoff and NASCAR becomes a actual series instead of a pathetic joke of a sport.
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Oh look its yet another gimmick inspired by what else, Stick & ball sports. Yeah, they sure do listen to the fans, don't they?
They are, the vocal ones who want everything possible done to get rid of Jimmie Johnson, and think the NFL is God's will
The TV coverage is the joke, if they'd show actual racing instead of follow the leader, whose usually half a lap ahead, then the RACING part would be better, but it has NEVER been perfect. 1) The frozen yellow rule I get, but it's the execution that has proven faulty. 2) Chase has been a gimmick, yes. 3) Gen 5 was a good idea, but again execution was crap. 4) OK, this sounds like a "CHANGE IS EVIL" argument, wait until it actually is used a bit before setting it on fire. Again, NASCAR is listening to fans, just not the ones you want them too. Me neither, but I'd rather them listen to average people who have passing interest.
MY TAKE: I don't like any of it. I think RACECAR hit it, it reaks of NFL/NCAA pandering. Eliminations are meh because by the time you get to Texas, you pretty much know who the top 3 are already barring catastrophes. This 'Win and Get In' mentality drives me nuts. If that's the case then why have a point system because it obviously has no value, and while the idea might work for the NCAA Tournament, this would be suicidal for NASCAR, unless Brian France wants to make it F1 for stock cars.
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- ukfan758
The reason why I don't support the multi-car qualifying is because it will create unfair times since everyone will be drafting/slipstreaming off each other. Indycar does not do multi-car qualifying on ovals for this very reason and for safety. However, they do use multi-car qualifying on road courses and so does F1 and as a result it makes qualifying very entertaining to watch in those series. I do not have a problem with NASCAR having multi-car qualifying on road courses, but I do not want them to use it on ovals.
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- Droptop2001gt
There can be 8 cars on the track at one time, with none gaining any slipstream off of another car, as long as they are spaced out evenly. If anything, the way the current cars handle, only the LEAD car would have an advantage if they were running really close together. The current cars drive like crap with anything less than 100% clean air on the nose. These cars are so aero-dependent that it is ridiculous.
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Its my opinion that the chase is a necessary evil as long as the season continues to be 36 races long. If they cut it down to 28 or 30 races, Im fine with getting rid of it. Its just too easy for someone to build a huge lead with a season that long. Formula 1 recently increased the length of its season by 2-3 races, and you now have guys clinching the title with 2-3 races to go. If the season wasnt so long to begin with, there would be no need for a double point finale, as there would be no need for the chase if the season wasnt so long.
The problem with a chaseless 36 race season is your going to have people "points racing" the entire way. Nobody is going to risk going for a win by taking 2 tires or no tires when they can take 4 tires and secure a top 10 for a "good points day". I think it will improve the quality of racing. Instead of guys just riding around being content you're going to see people go for the win. It should work, in theory.
Im curious to how this will all play out. It actually gives the underdog teams a chance, like how single game elimination playoffs/tournaments give underdog teams a chance. All this system does is ask the drivers and teams to rise to the occasion, similar to a football playoff game. Jimmie Johnson cant simply rely on clicking off top 10 finishes throughout the chase. He going to be asked to perform at the top of his game through every elimination bracket. One slip up and maybe its Dale Earnhardt Jr winning the title. Things like that happen all the time in football, why get too upset about it here?
And with 16 teams getting in, I doubt a really good team will be left out because of someone's "fluke" win.
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Let's face it. The sport's changing. Much as I'd love to go back to the '03 system, it won't happen. The average viewer doesn't enjoy it. Look at the positives, sure it's gimmicky as hell, but it should be fun to watch. Perhaps consider it a new era, for better or worse.
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I guess Schumacher won all of his in the final race of the season then.
I do remember at least one of his titles going down to the final race. The point is though, if someone dominates a season the longer that season is the more gureling and irritating it is to watch as a spectator. When Schumacher dominated it was over in 16 races. Now you have to watch Vettel win 22 races in a row when everyone knew it was over back around round number 6.
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We're getting closer to what I think should have been the points system since the Chase started
Points per race - 43-1 (No points for a race you finish less than 50% of)
Bonus Points - +5 for the pole, +10 for leading the most laps
Chase Picks - All who win a race plus those in the top 10 in points that don't have a win
Chase Seeding - +1 point for every place over 10th in the points you were pre-reset, -1 for every place behind 10th you were pre-reset, +1 point for every win
Eliminations - If you fall more than a race and a half behind the leader (So 65 points), you are eliminated from the Chase and your points are reset to pre-Chase totals plus what you have earned in the Chase
Points per race - 43-1 (No points for a race you finish less than 50% of)
Bonus Points - +5 for the pole, +10 for leading the most laps
Chase Picks - All who win a race plus those in the top 10 in points that don't have a win
Chase Seeding - +1 point for every place over 10th in the points you were pre-reset, -1 for every place behind 10th you were pre-reset, +1 point for every win
Eliminations - If you fall more than a race and a half behind the leader (So 65 points), you are eliminated from the Chase and your points are reset to pre-Chase totals plus what you have earned in the Chase
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@Jahgee1124 I would only agree if you answer me this, what would take precedent in getting in, the points or the wins?
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His '94 title certainly came down to the last race, but I can guarantee you all of his 5 Ferrari championships were finalised after Malaysia.
back on topic, slightly; I think NASCAR needs to stop looking at what the other sports are doing and just do their own thing, like they used to do. You're not going to get the utmost attention of a diehard NFL or NBA or MLB fan no matter what you do, so stop while you're ahead.
Edited because I'm kind of drunk and repeating words.
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But *are* they trying to appeal to those fanbases? My reading of the proposed rules is that they are trying to find a way to force the title fight to go down to the last round. I have no idea what viewing figures look like for NASCAR, but I am guessing they get a huge slump in numbers once the title is decided.
If they really wanted to keep the elimination thing going, they would get rid of the Chase cut-off date and reverse the points. This way, first would be the lowest-scoring position, and last the highest-scoring, with the winner being the person with the lowest overall points score. The catch is that once you score a certain number of points, you're out of the title fight. So rather than having a fixed date as the cut-off, it's a floating marker, with the pressure on the driver to stay in the title fight rather than the pressure being on to get in.
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The average viewer would be an idiot then, according to this statement.
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Don't care about point system in general, care a lot about stupid recent rules glorifying the last race of the season.
Honestly, what we'll be seeing in 2014 is no longer NASCAR, it's only Brainfart France's pseudo-racing series that will never properly replace the original sport, just like IndyCar will never replace CART.
