2014 NASCAR Thread

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If anything, Newman's car helped to take away momentum, which made the hit into the fence much less severe than it could have been. :scared:

Umm...I might have to say no here. Flaps were up and the 99 was both slowing down and landing. It would have still been a nasty hit, but it would have it the wall and not the fence at all. With the 39 going at full tilt and circumstance putting the 39 under the 99, for all intensive purposes Newman added to the momentum when they hit, but most of that sent Edwards up rather than ahead.....

Did I just try to use physics in a forum post? I really have lost my mind.

Of course.

Back to my Strictly Stock idea then. You made a valid point in manufacturer support, and while I do believe it would be more of a "Weekend Warrior" ordeal, I don't think that DIRECT support would be necessary, partly due to what the series would allow. As I already said, enough mandatory changes to be safe, but a factory car otherwise. No, the "Big 3" almost certainly wouldn't even allow this entire concept to be spoken in their HQ's, but what about the dealerships and the independent shops. I have seen them sponsor race teams before, but what if they had a chance to put some of their cars, or their drivers, on display in person. I can't tell you how many ads I see, and promptly ignore, that just bounce off, and everyone has heard of a few horror stories, what if you can get them to say, "Well the cars ARE already billboards, perhaps if we actually get involved we can bring some more business in."

That is the starter, but then the first roadblock is, "But how are we going to do that with what we have now? We can't afford a new car every week." And this is the point where I show them their own shop, and there will be a shop involved because leaving a daily driver parked in the open can be nerve wracking alone, I can only imagine a project car being left in the open anywhere not considered the "middle of nowhere". You point them to the shop, and suggest that it be taken care of by the guys who know what it is supposed to be already. The mechanics will know the car, and the young techs will learn about it, and in a time when standard operation means replace everything, this will give all those guys who went to school something to put that education to work with, as opposed to recalling the part number of a replacement part that never gets used anyway.

Thinking about it, there would still be an issue of parts, and while mechanical and electrical parts would need to be replaced eventually, these would still be road cars meaning the engines are designed to go 100,000 miles instead of the 1000 that most of the purpose built race engines go for, and same for the drivetrain and the body panels. Yes, body panels, these cars will be running at short tracks and local tracks of all varieties 1 mile and under, exceptions being road courses and street circuits, so while contact will occur I don't think constantly fixing the door dings will be worth it. Touch up the paint, reapply decals, fix what is broke, then go do it all again.

Yeah....that's all weaker than hell too. 🤬.

Some more paint schemes(All of them are ugly imo).

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New Ford truck, ugly as sin if you ask me.

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Wasn't the 55 going to have yellow accents, like the car they showed off DURING last season?

42 is pretty much unchanged, DG 20 IS unchanged, who are these "Reser's", 16 has a noble cause but Jack must either be letting people come to him or let anyone willing to pony up on the cars.

As for the truck. The Tundra wasn't great, the GMs are boring, but the new F-150 beats them all by beating itself with the ugly stick. This though is just half-🤬 crap.
 
Umm...I might have to say no here. Flaps were up and the 99 was both slowing down and landing. It would have still been a nasty hit, but it would have it the wall and not the fence at all. With the 39 going at full tilt and circumstance putting the 39 under the 99, for all intensive purposes Newman added to the momentum when they hit, but most of that sent Edwards up rather than ahead.....
The way I see the crash had it not been for Newman, is Edwards' car going over the wall full cell area first, then a lot worse of a crash. I'm not sure how the 99 acted after going off Keselowski's bumper, because I was by far focused on the crash, not what could have happened and the way the 99 was moving before hitting the 39. I will have to view that crash again to get a better picture.
 
42 is pretty much unchanged,

They actually changed quite a bit on it, there are tons of stupid target logos on the bottom and it fades to white. I wish they would have just kept the '13 scheme as it was one of my favorites last year.
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who are these "Reser's",

They make crappy potato salad, frozen burritos and tortillas.
 
True, last year's scheme was good. I was mistaken, I thought this was another in a line of over the top schemes that impress no one. Good thing I don't think too much...oh, wait. 🤬
 
Looking at the paint schemes and my take on them:

55: Meh, its ok. Doesn't really stand out like it should. Abit disappointed that the gold isn't used more.

42: Don't like it. Was just fine with the car being a solid bold red. Not digging the small target logos and the gradient on the rear of the car, which is becoming abit overused as of late (despite the colors being much better to used together).

20(Cup): Same as last year, therefore hate it.

20(Nationwide): Same as last year, therefore mediocore.

16: Feels like all they did was take the same kind of accents from Greg Biffle's 3M car, changed the color and moved them around. Kinda feel its too much, especially for a car sponsored by a cause to stop diabetes.

As for the new Truck Series Ford, Not surprised its turned out terrible. The production truck is hideous itself and looks like it copied an old GM design.

So to sum up the new trucks:

Toyota Tundra: More muscular, but still good looking.
Chevy Silverado: Feels like its a return to the 90s. Not that bad, but kinda old looking.
Ford F-Series: Simply hideous.
 
I'm talking no pack racing, no tandems, just all-out fastest cars battling it out like the old days that you've mentioned.

I just don't know how NASCAR could pull it off though, and they probably wouldn't be able to.
 
The biggest hurdle I would see is two-fold. Problem 1 is the fans who thirst for blood and chaos, and problem 2 is the speed the cars would reach multiplying the dangers, possibly exponentially.
 
The biggest hurdle I would see is two-fold. Problem 1 is the fans who thirst for blood and chaos, and problem 2 is the speed the cars would reach multiplying the dangers, possibly exponentially.
They'd have to cut both power and aerodynamics to achieve it, so I doubt it would ever happen.
 
I like the prioritizing of winning to make the chase, I like the expansion of drivers in the chase, I like the eliminations, I don't like the winner takes all at Miami
 
I like how people are saying that he isn't continuing the France legacy, hasn't NASCAR's thing always been "Try new stuff, and if it's too ****** we'll get rid of it after one year, but if it isn't too bad, then we'll modify it till it's good"
 
I like how people are saying that he isn't continuing the France legacy, hasn't NASCAR's thing always been "Try new stuff, and if it's too ****** we'll get rid of it after one year, but if it isn't too bad, then we'll modify it till it's good"
I think it's more along the lines of, "Try new stuff, and if it's too ***** we'll modify it to make it even worse." The winner takes all thing is absolutely idiotic. Can't wait for Johnson to chill around 4th in the standings going into the final race, only to win and take yet another crown. (Just using him as an example because when it comes to crunch time, he's perfected it.) I certainly don't like the fact that one driver could run away with the Chase, only to automatically lose by finishing 2nd to one of the other 3 guys left in the last race.
 
All these things things are just idiotic, the worst being expanding the chase yet again, here is what the '13 chase would have looked like with this rule(going by pre-spingate penalties), new drivers are bolded...

1- Jamie McMurray
5- Kasey Kahne
15- Clint Bowyer
16- Greg Biffle
18- Kyle Busch
20- Matt Kenseth
22- Joey Logano
24- Jeff Gordon
29- Kevin Harvick
34- David Ragan
39- Ryan Newman

48- Jimmie Johnson
56- Martin Truex Jr.
78- Kurt Busch
88- Dale Earnhardt Jr.
99- Carl Edwards

Now, you could make an argument that both the 24 & 39 were deserving of a spot, both had solid years with stats comparable to those that made it. However you couldn't make the same argument for McMurray who had 2 top 5's and six top 10's(he beat out BK by one point despite him having 7 top 5's and 11 top 10's(2 DNF's killed him)). Now for the elephant in the room, Ragan won a race on a crapshoot, there is just no way anyone could argue that someone getting lucky and winning a restrictor plate race is worthy of having a shot at the championship.

That is the fundamental problem with the "win and in" setup, when you have races like Daytona and Talladega you can have drivers win, but who have no hope of winning the title being placed in the chase, especially when you are planning on having a 16-car field.

Really though, the worst part about this is that these gimmicks sadly are no longer limited to NASCAR and this is just another drop in the bucket, it seems every series is trying to artificially make racing better, only to accomplish the opposite.

I like how people are saying that he isn't continuing the France legacy, hasn't NASCAR's thing always been "Try new stuff, and if it's too ****** we'll get rid of it after one year, but if it isn't too bad, then we'll modify it till it's good"

It's almost been 10 years and it seems the only changes they've made have made it worse, not better.
 
I like the new system

EXCEPT the idiotic winner takes all finale between FOUR drivers. That would be entertaining, but it would undermine almost everything else.

If there is a "winner take all' scenario it should be between 2 drivers max. An ideal scenario for me would be to reset the top 4 in points after race #6 in the chase. Let those 4 battle it out over the next 4 races.
 
So, NASCAR is one-upping F1 in stupidity when it comes to points.

At least IndyCar hasn't announced anything idiotic yet.
 
For a son looking to keep the legacy of his father's organization, he sure isn't smart about it. This is the kind of idiotic thing that will only drive more viewers away. And how the 🤬 does France think that this'll help with viewership!?

He saw what the FIA and Bernie did and had to react with a bigger gimmick. If they want to fix the points they should make it to where they are closer rather than giving bigger margins or anything else a single DNF in the chase should put a driver out of contention or have to win a ton just to have a viable shot at the title. Nor should 2-4 DNF pre-chase put a driver who any other time finishes top 5 and 10 out of post chase.
 
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I wouldn't mind an elimination system for something like the All-Star race. Chuck out half the field after each segment until you have two cars left and let them go nuts for the last ten laps of whatever. But that's an exhibition race, not something that decides a championship. Hell, under this new system, you could win 35 straight races then have a tire blow at Homestead and finish fourth in the championship. That's not fair, in my opinion.
 
I wouldn't mind an elimination system for something like the All-Star race. Chuck out half the field after each segment until you have two cars left and let them go nuts for the last ten laps of whatever. But that's an exhibition race, not something that decides a championship. Hell, under this new system, you could win 35 straight races then have a tire blow at Homestead and finish fourth in the championship. That's not fair, in my opinion.

The 2007 Patriots won 18 straight games but lost the Superbowl

I think we should maybe give this thing a chance. The idea winning a single race gets you in means we will see people do crazy things during the regular season to give themselves a shot. No more points racing.
 
The 2007 Patriots won 18 straight games but lost the Superbowl

I think we should maybe give this thing a chance. The idea winning a single race gets you in means we will see people do crazy things during the regular season to give themselves a shot. No more points racing.

This new idea is even more pointless, gimmicky and stupid though.
 
Just when I thought the Chase couldn't get any worse, they manage to make it so 🤬 stupid that even a certain rabid Hendrick Motorsports fan that used to post in here looks smart.:dunce:
 
The 2007 Patriots won 18 straight games but lost the Superbowl

One of the reasons I've lost interest in football is that reason, when I was younger I liked it, but now I like to see people/teams get rewarded for being good the entire season, not winning the championship after having an ok season.

I think we should maybe give this thing a chance.

I feel I've given NASCAR and their idiotic ideas more than enough chances...
 
What a joke this sport is becoming. It was perfect until 2003 which began a downfall of rules that have damaged the sport. The first being banning racing back to the line when the caution/safety car comes out in 2003, 2nd being the installment of The Chase in 2006, 3rd being the Car of Tomorrow/Gen 5 in 2007 (thankfully they got rid of it for the 2013 season), 4th being the multi-car qualifying for the truck and nationwide series in 2014 which will most likely come to the Sprint Cup Series soon, and now the further gimmicking of The Chase in 2014.
NASCAR needs to listen to what the fans want the sport to be like instead. V8 Supercars have done this and it has made the series more popular than ever.
 
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