2014 NASCAR Thread

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@Earth; That's how NASCAR has been over the past few years, and even in Earnhardt's time. Probably the one motorsport where dirty moves are allowed without major repercussions.

This wasnt a bump 'n run though, he came from 10 car lengths back and slammed the guy in the wall.
 
Which are the kind of moves that have been made throughout the years and have gone unnoticed.

What happens if Ryan Newman dive bombs Kevin Harvick next week for the title will everyone be OK with it? I think NASCAR has to draw the line somewhere but I think they're too cowardly to do that.
 
What happens if Ryan Newman dive bombs Kevin Harvick next week for the title will everyone be OK with it? I think NASCAR has to draw the line somewhere but I think they're too cowardly to do that.
It's been pointed out many times that as long as it brings in viewers and makes headlines, NASCAR is alright with it. So if that were to happen, no action will be taken.
 
I've said this once, and I'll say it again. If it was Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr. divebombing Larson to get in, and if that divebombing knocked out Newman from the final dance in Homestead, nobody would have cared. Everyone is throwing a fit because Gordon got snubbed as a result. Does it make what Newman did right? No, it doesn't. But would everyone be up in arms if Gordon or Jr. did this to get into the final round? No, they wouldn't.
 
I've said this once, and I'll say it again. If it was Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr. divebombing Larson to get in, and if that divebombing knocked out Newman from the final dance in Homestead, nobody would have cared. Everyone is throwing a fit because Gordon got snubbed as a result. Does it make what Newman did right? No, it doesn't. But would everyone be up in arms if Gordon or Jr. did this to get into the final round? No, they wouldn't.
Totally agree.
 
I've said this once, and I'll say it again. If it was Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr. divebombing Larson to get in, and if that divebombing knocked out Newman from the final dance in Homestead, nobody would have cared. Everyone is throwing a fit because Gordon got snubbed as a result. Does it make what Newman did right? No, it doesn't. But would everyone be up in arms if Gordon or Jr. did this to get into the final round? No, they wouldn't.
Gordon aside, it's still not right.
 
Jeff should be there but that's the nature of the beast. I was hoping he would win 5 and next year call it his last year.
1. Methinks Jeff should try to get the retirement soundbites from earlier this year deleted since he didn't win the championship.
2. With that said, between the nightmare at Texas and the way that the Chase is going, maybe he should get out while he still can. the current chase sucks.

Really astonished people are OK with Newman's dirty pass. If he did that to anybody besides a 20 year old rookie he would have been in a fist fight on pit lane.

But its OK because it was for the championship? Its never OK to drive dirty. Newman just showed me hes the type of guy who will do anything to win or come out on top. Just hope you arent one of his victims.

Its not that he did it to Larson (I like him as well, btw) or that it was uncalled for (bad choice of words but whatever) its that it was a videogame worthy move, just look at the onboard, and it represents how silly and asinine the whole format is. Besides, its not like he turned Larson into the whole field
 
Gordon aside, it's still not right.
That's the point. It wouldn't be right even if Gordon or Jr. did it. But if one of those two made Larson their apex to knock Newman out of the chase, it wouldn't nearly be the firestorm that it is now. The only reason that everyone is talking about it because Gordon got knocked out because of that.
 
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That's the point. It wouldn't be right even if Gordon or Jr. did it. But if one of those two made Larson their apex to knock Newman out of the chase, it wouldn't nearly be the firestorm that it is now. The only reason that everyone is talking about it because Gordon got knocked out because of that.
I'm just saying, championship race aside, even if it was only for a position in the race, action like that should not be allowed. If that happened in a V8 Supercar race, Newman would have been penalized without a doubt. Championship race back in, I think NASCAR isn't doing anything about it because they LOVE the press they are getting from Gordon missing out by 1 single point. And that's all they care about, 5th championship be damned.
 
I'm just saying, championship race aside, even if it was only for a position in the race, action like that should not be allowed. If that happened in a V8 Supercar race, Newman would have been penalized without a doubt. Championship race back in, I think NASCAR isn't doing anything about it because they LOVE the press they are getting from Gordon missing out by 1 single point. And that's all they care about, 5th championship be damned.
That's why they made such a big deal out of Jr. fighting to make it at Talledega. All NASCAR wants is the ratings, and a finish like the one today is bound to get people talking. Even in IMSA, which is owned by the France family, Newman would have been penalized for that. Jr. can't even fight for a top 5 finish in the points in his best season in years due to this joke of a system. NASCAR wanted press, and they got it. It's a shame that they stopped giving a damn about the actual integrity of the racing to get that publicity, though.
 
What happens if Ryan Newman dive bombs Kevin Harvick next week for the title will everyone be OK with it?
I'll be selling "I bumped Jeff Gordon out of championship contention and all I got was a Sprint Cup Championship" shirts.

The bigger question is whether under this scenario, Newman will take over the "most hated driver" title from Brad K. Measuring stick will be how many beer cans are thrown onto the track.
 
Crossing my fingers for a midget thrown in for good measure

That's no way to speak about Danica...
Newman won't win, I see Harvick then Hamlin. Logano can cry somewhere.
I can see it being a battle between Harvick and Logano. Hamlin will be there or thereabouts but ultimately won't have the car to match the #4 & #22 at the end and Newman will have a typical Newman performance and finish somewhere around the bottom of the top ten or just outside of it.
 
Since NASCAR seems to be completely dedicated to the Chase system, and to avoid having a lame duck race like Nationwide will next weekend, here's my modified Chase system that gives even more emphasis on wins than this system currently does, while still leaving the door open for a highly consistent driver to win the championship with few wins. (I would ideally like there to be no Chase, but NASCAR wouldn't likely entertain that notion).

Races 1-26: There's no fixed number of drivers for the Chase. Anyone who wins a race is in, anyone in the Top 10 in points without a win is in, and the two most consistent drivers in the Top 20 without wins should also be in.

Races 27-35: No more elimination round, bottom-four-get-axed-each-week only to watch recently eliminated drivers remind everyone that they're still fast the next week. For these 9 races, anyone who wins is in the running. Additionally, the top driver who didn't win in the last nine races moves on as well.

Race 36: Best finish wins it.

This isn't basketball, this isn't football. No gimmick-y brackets just for the hell of it.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Newman win the Championship.

However I am on the fence about this new Chase system. Kind of hate it, but kind of like it at the same time.
 
As long as NASCAR gets ratings from it, they'll keep it. That's all they want. I'm frankly only going to watch the cup race in hopes that fights break out at the end. I'd rather watch the Nationwide race even though Chase Elliot clinched that.
 
Someone on here was keeping track of the points with the old points system, do you have an idea where they would be at the moment?
1. Gordon 1217
2. Logano -25
3. Dale Jr -72
4. Keselowski -79
5. Harvick -93
6. Newman & Kenseth -124
8. Hamlin -166 (not counting the 75 points he got decked for Pocono 2 infraction, and counting Hornish's 27pts tally at Fontana)
9. Edwards & Larson -168
11. Johnson -185
12. Biffle -220

For me, I want to see either Newman or Hamlin win the championship. Newman for not having a single win throughout the year, and Hamlin for missing out on an entire race (Spring Martinsville, albeit due to an eye injury).
it was Auto Club (Fontana), but how is him missing a race relevant?

Since NASCAR seems to be completely dedicated to the Chase system, and to avoid having a lame duck race like Nationwide will next weekend, here's my modified Chase system that gives even more emphasis on wins than this system currently does, while still leaving the door open for a highly consistent driver to win the championship with few wins. (I would ideally like there to be no Chase, but NASCAR wouldn't likely entertain that notion).

Races 1-26: There's no fixed number of drivers for the Chase. Anyone who wins a race is in, anyone in the Top 10 in points without a win is in, and the two most consistent drivers in the Top 20 without wins should also be in.

Races 27-35: No more elimination round, bottom-four-get-axed-each-week only to watch recently eliminated drivers remind everyone that they're still fast the next week. For these 9 races, anyone who wins is in the running. Additionally, the top driver who didn't win in the last nine races moves on as well.

Race 36: Best finish wins it.

This isn't basketball, this isn't football. No gimmick-y brackets just for the hell of it.
I kinda like it, it is definitely my belief NASCAR could come up with a system that is both fairer and entertaining until the last race...

How about:

-One win gets you automatically to Chase round 1, regardless of point standings or number of entries. Top 10 in points advance as well if they have no wins.
These drivers (single race winners + top 10 in points with zero or 1 win) will race to advance to the next Chase round.

-2 wins get you automatically to second Chase round. If one of these drivers wins one of the Chase races in round 1 or 2, he advances to round 3 automatically.

-3 wins get you automatically to third Chase round. If one of these drivers wins one of the Chase races in round 1-3, he advances to Chase Finale automatically.

-4 or more wins get you automatically to final Chase round. For every win above, 3 points bonus are awarded (5 Wins=+3pts, 6W=+6pts, 7W=+9, etc). Spots are not limited to 4, and can be at most 8.

Multiple wins basically grant you "bye" weeks -or bonus points.
While in NFL, several bye weeks would actually hurt you (from not playing live opponents), here, the drivers are actually still racing and potentially scoring points, they just can't get eliminated.


Also:
-Finale location switches every year, as well as All-Star race. Can never be a plate race or a road course.

-Add a third road course to schedule? Have one of the Chase races be a road course, with them alternating every year (year 1: Sonoma & Watkins Glen in regular season, Road Course 3 in Chase, year 2: RC3 & Sonoma regular season, Glen in Chase; year 3: WG & RC3, Sonoma Chase)?
Potential choices: Road America, Mid-Ohio, Canadian Tire Motorsport Park, Indianapolis Road Course, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Road Atlanta...

-Have Indianoplis Motor Speedway and Lucas Oil Raceway alternate year to year on schedule? the former Indy Raceway park is very popular with drivers & public.

-Add Iowa, Gateway and/or Eldora to schedule, replacing one of the 2 track dates?

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In other news, Kyle Larson's a class act:
#42-Kyle Larson called #31-Ryan Newman's last-lap actions Sunday "a little upsetting" but said he understood Newman's desperation and "can't fault him for being aggressive there.'' Needing to pass Larson to secure the final spot in the championship round, Newman dive-bombed the rookie on the last lap at Phoenix International Raceway. Newman's car slid up the track and hit Larson's car, sending it toward the wall. That allowed Newman by, giving him a shot at the NASCAR Sprint Cup championship this weekend at Homestead-Miami Speedway. By advancing, Newman eliminated #24-Jeff Gordon from title contention. "Coming to the finish, there were a lot of cars racing really hard,'' Larson said in a statement provided to Motor Racing Network by Chip Ganassi Racing. "I knew (Newman) was right around me and knew he needed to gain some spots to keep from getting eliminated from the Chase. It's a little upsetting he pushed me up to the wall, but I completely understand the situation he was in and can't fault him for being aggressive there. I think a lot of drivers out here would have done something similar if they were in that position."(Motor Racing Network)(11-10-2014)
 
It's a shame that Jr. and especially Gordon got ripped off with this system. For that matter, 3 of the top 4 in points under the old system won't finish in the top 4 in points this year due to this system.
 
Wins from those eliminated = 25
From those in the final 4 = 10

Edwards, Gordon, and Keselowski, all eliminated this round accounted for 1/3 of all wins (12) this year and they're out.
 

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