2014 United Sports Car Championship

[Bo]

Forcing a driver off track is the same as avoidable contact in my eyes...

He didn't force him off track, if you have some nutter trying a move on the outside that is clearly going to fail, you wouldn't let them past.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Even when there's ZERO contact?

Contact shouldn't be the deciding factor, the Audi could've spun and hit another car for example.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Wished that Jamie McMurray and team won, but oh well... Congrats to winners.

 

[AnAL0G]

If that was true, they would have called it 6 minutes earlier than they did...

The problem is their inconsistency with the calls.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Forcing a driver off track is the same as avoidable contact in my eyes...

He didn't force him, the Ferrari had the driver line. What should he have done, stop and let the Audi go? That isn't how racing works, the Audi picked a sketchy places to try and get the pass and ran out of track. Simple as that.

 

[Bo]

Contact shouldn't be the deciding factor, the Audi could've spun and hit another car for example.

The penalty is for avoidable contact. You can't make stupid moves and expect others to back off because of it.

 

[Carlos]

He didn't force him off track, if you have some nutter trying a move on the outside that is clearly going to fail, you wouldn't let them past.

No no no. The Audi was next to him and the #555 should hold its inner line, just because you get the apex doesn't mean you can go out all wide. All he did was forcing him off track and Winkelhock made the right choice to avoid it's contact..

 

[bkk5244888]

What about the LeMans 24 where the Audi went airborne a couple of years ago?

That's what I'm referring to. Two am ferraris crashed two audis in that race. Then there was that ferrari that wrecked the toyota. And while obviously not as serious, the ferrari nearly putting the bmw in the wall at the end of the race just now.

 

[Furinkazen]

Worst officiating in a long time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No no no. The Audi was next to him and the #555 should hold its inner line, just because you get the apex doesn't mean you can go out all wide. All he did was forcing him off track and Winkelhock made the right choice to avoid it's contact..

He didn't go all wide? And if it's what I think you're referring to both drivers had oversteer out of the corner.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Worst officiating in a long time.

Last time I saw this was in 2006 when they called a Penalty on Carl Edwards for passing below the yellow line, to avoid a crash...

 

[G.T.Ace]

The penalty is for avoidable contact. You can't make stupid moves and expect others to back off because of it.

The Ferrari had traction issues while accelerating out of the corner, Winkelhock's nose was already infront of the Ferrari before they were in the kink and the Ferrari didn't hold the inside line after the actual kink. He moved the car to the right so Winkelhock had no space left.

 

[Bo]

No no no. The Audi was next to him and the #555 should hold its inner line, just because you get the apex doesn't mean you can go out all wide. All he did was forcing him off track and Winkelhock made the right choice to avoid it's contact..

Have you ever studied a car going round a corner before? They don't hug one tight line like a slot car.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Have you ever studied a car going round a corner before? They don't hug one tight line like a slot car.

The GTD cars grip enough, otherwise the Audi would've gone wide too, which it didn't before he was forced off-track.

 

[IforceV8]

The Ferrari had traction issues while accelerating out of the corner, Winkelhock's nose was already infront of the Ferrari before they were in the kink and the Ferrari didn't hold the inside line after the actual kink. He moved the car to the right so Winkelhock had no space left.

The Audi would have gone off the track regardless running the line he took.

 

[Metfanant]

i understand the argument people are making FOR the penalty...but i simply dont agree with it...to me that was tough, hard racing, and just an unfortunate event for the Audi...i was rooting for the Viper in GTD, and couldn't really care less if Audi or Ferrari won...

 

[MrWednesday]

Have you ever studied a car going round a corner before? They don't hug one tight line like a slot car.

Then the Ferrari carried too much speed through. He didn't give the Audi racing room.

 

[nascarfan1400]

Well in the past 24 hours we saw:
A near-fatal crash
Drunk fans
A stupid caution
Some good racing
A bad call because of good racing.

 

[Mac K]

Avoidable contact without any actual contact... Nice job NASCAR. Was rooting for the Lizards, but nobody wants to win like that.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I prefer Flying Lizard to Scott Tucker so my view is that Pier Guidi (most famous for spinning at the first corner of the Spa 24 hours) left no room for the Audi which was in the lead, it shouldn't be a penalty for avoidable contact but it should be a penalty for forcing another car off the road.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I'll be out at some Québecois rally stage where car contact is very, very uncommon, waiting for the rest of the world to get their officiating in order.


I mean, come on..........

 

[G.T.Ace]

The Audi would have gone off the track regardless running the line he took.

No and it was clearly visible in the slow motion.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Well done to all the Neesaans, Marzders, and Ordies that competed, and to the Zee Fours too I love American commentary Anyways, good race, I always enjoy the Daytona 24 hour, fisrt time in a while I've not been cheering for a car at the front, but it's fun nevertheless.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The GTD cars grip enough, otherwise the Audi would've gone wide too, which it didn't before he was forced off-track.

Considering the cars were both running on 34 lap old tires and not conserving like prior stints because it was the final stint, I'd say the tires were probably going away quite a bit. You can tell the cars are both shaking under brake zone, and understeer out of the corner...not sure what you're expecting.

 

[Mac K]

I prefer Flying Lizard to Scott Tucker so my view is that Pier Guidi (most famous for spinning at the first corner of the Spa 24 hours) left no room for the Audi which was in the lead, it shouldn't be a penalty for avoidable contact but it should be a penalty for forcing another car off the road.

Having a bias is the last thing you should have when "officiating" a race....

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Avoidable contact without any actual contact... Nice job NASCAR. Was rooting for the Lizards, but nobody wants to win like that.

Lizards seem fine with it.

 

[Blitz24]

I can argue that the Audi did NOT give the Ferrari room (if you consider the yellow rumble strips not part of the track).

 

[Bo]

The GTD cars grip enough, otherwise the Audi would've gone wide too, which it didn't before he was forced off-track.

Oh for God's sake, what did Winkelhock think was going to happen? Let me make this clear -
You cannot attempt a dangerous pass and expect others to back off because of you.
Anyone who thinks the Audi could have ever made that move stick, no matter the circumstances, is delusional.

 

[GTPorsche]

LOL

NAEC points lead in GT-D is Level 5 #555.

 

[Jav]

Do any of you blaming the Ferrari have any idea of how a car behaves on that corner? Every GT-D car tracks out on that corner unless they're driving like a granny. I was there for the Roar and was there for the race and they all tracked out the same way every single lap. It was an honorable push by Marcus, but it was only gonna end up that way.