2014 United Sports Car Championship

[Swagger897]

A lot of people need to look at all the races a Ferrari has been in and caused a winning car to be pushed back deemed mechanical or total failure exemption. Just about every year from 2011 there has been an issue with one and caused a crash. Be it Le Mans, Sebring, or even now Daytona in the records, they don't do good in traffic. A crash is between two drivers, and what we saw was between two drivers....

And if you feel bad for Ferrari, look up 2007 Sebring finish and tell me what your opinions are about that..

 

[G.T.Ace]

You actually have to force them off the track though. Forcing off the track would be something like Schumi vs Barichello in 2010. This is a racing incident and should have been treated as such.

Have you read the part in bold?

 

[Bo]

Almost makes sense, if someone makes a totally bone head move, but the other car manages to avoid contact but goes off course to do so, the first guy is still in the wrong.

Exactly, but this time it was the Audi making a totally bone head move. If the penalty was for the contact, then fine, but if it was for the last lap then it's a pretty pathetic decision.

 

[Metfanant]

Which hilariously would mean by that logic, Sebring now means nothing.

yikes

 

[spooble]

Maybe my idea of proper racecraft isn't correct, but in my mind, if 2 cars enter a corner side-by-side, the outside car is required to leave room at the apex for the inside car. And the inside car is required to leave room at track out for the outside car. No?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Have you read the part in bold?

Yeah hence why I used another race for reference since now we're talking in general. One was actually on purpose and this race wasn't. Do you know of the incident I'm even talking about?

 

[Mac K]

Totally agree. I honestly I think if your going to penalize someone for an incident that didn't have contact, it shouldn't be "for avoidable contact". If anything, running someone off the road without contact (assuming that's what they are going off of) would more under "forceful driving" (or driving dirty).

Exactly, all of this could have been avoided if that was the case me thinks..

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Maybe my idea of proper racecraft isn't correct, but in my mind, if 2 cars enter a corner side-by-side, the outside car is required to leave room at the apex for the inside car. And the inside car is required to leave room at track out for the outside car. No?

Yeah you're correct.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Yeah hence why I used another race for reference since now we're talking in general. One was actually on purpose and this race wasn't. Do you know of the incident I'm even talking about?

I was just talking about the name of the rule (which is uninteresting in my opinion), not comparing what happened today to other incidents. The rule's saying "avoidable contact" even if there was no real contact and I think that's okay, never mind what happened today.

 

[Bo]

Maybe my idea of proper racecraft isn't correct, but in my mind, if 2 cars enter a corner side-by-side, the outside car is required to leave room at the apex for the inside car. And the inside car is required to leave room at track out for the outside car. No?

Yes, but it really wasn't possible to have a high speed side by side whilst giving room through there. That's why it's the Audi's fault for trying a mad outside without any real consideration.

 

[RACECAR]

A lot of people need to look at all the races a Ferrari has been in and caused a winning car to be pushed back deemed mechanical or total failure exemption. Just about every year from 2011 there has been an issue with one and caused a crash. Be it Le Mans, Sebring, or even now Daytona in the records, they don't do good in traffic. A crash is between two drivers, and what we saw was between two drivers....

And if you feel bad for Ferrari, look up 2007 Sebring finish and tell me what your opinions are about that..

Simple: Hard racing. No car went off track, into the wall or totally caused the other car to crash. Just body contact from a last lap pass between two cars going for the win with none of them left in an uncompetitive state.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I was just talking about the name of the rule (which is uninteresting in my opinion), not comparing what happened today to other incidents. The rule's saying "avoidable contact" even if there was no real contact and I think that's okay, never mind what happened today.

Actually I'd say @RACECAR put it best and it should fall under dirty driving.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Yes, but it really wasn't possible to have a high speed side by side whilst giving room through there. That's why it's the Audi's fault for trying a mad outside without any real consideration.

The Audi was only on the outside because the Ferrari didn't get the power down.
No one was "at fault", hence why I think the penalty is too much.

Actually I'd say @RACECAR put it best and it should fall under dirty driving.

Just saying it doesn't matter how it's called in the end.

 

[Metfanant]

i just simply dont like a penalty being given for what to me is just plain hard racing...

 

[Swagger897]

Maybe my idea of proper racecraft isn't correct, but in my mind, if 2 cars enter a corner side-by-side, the outside car is required to leave room at the apex for the inside car. And the inside car is required to leave room at track out for the outside car. No?

Your spot on, but the Ferrari had the R8 pushed on the white line the whole turn, up to the apex to clinch it. But after it fell back and then swooped out, causing the r8 to lift and go back on the white line. The cars came soo close that he could've been shoved for aero reasons, but the whole point is he went off. It could've also been caused by the damage, no one really knows...

The call was good based on previous races, where Ferrari is known to cause heckling trouble at the end...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

2014 United Sports Car Championship: Where fans are divided, due to our bad NASCAR quality calls and unnecessary full course cautions.

Aren't we all excited!!!

 

[G.T.Ace]

Now you're over dramatizing.

 

[Swagger897]

Simple: Hard racing. No car went off track, into the wall or totally caused the other car to crash. Just body contact from a last lap pass between two cars going for the win with none of them left in an uncompetitive state.

BUT IT WAS INTENTIONAL. He pushed left on turn 17, and then again pushing him to the enclosing wall. If he kept pushing, he would've hit the wall, and been seriously injured. It's ridiculous...

This r8 vs Ferrari isn't the same, where there was a penalty issued..

 

[Metfanant]

https://twitter.com/JonFogarty99/status/427538574339493889

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Now you're over dramatizing.

Did you not just watch the race and see the fallout?

 

[GTPorsche]

Jon fogarty@JonFogarty991m
Just showed @MemoGidley the video of his crash. His response... "That's 🤬"

Good to know his personality wasn't harmed in the crash.

I finally saw the replay today. Terrible incident that could have been avoided if the Krohn 458 had moved to the right before Memo went for a pass. He would've probably seen the AF Corse car instead of slamming into it.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

2014 United Sports Car Championship: Where fans are divided, due to our bad NASCAR quality calls and unnecessary full course cautions.

Aren't we all excited!!!

This one works too:
2014 United Sports Car Championship: Where fans still have no idea what the points system is.

Seriously the IMSA website doesn't even give a straight answer :/

 

[G.T.Ace]

https://twitter.com/JonFogarty99/status/427538574339493889

Haha, love that guy.

Did you not just watch the race and see the fallout?

I've seen much worse after a lot of F1 GPs and again, today's results are fair, never mind the actual penalty.

 

[Bo]

Memo's response is great, fantastic to know he's in good spirits.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Haha, love that guy.

I've seen much worse after a lot of F1 GPs and again, today's results are fair, never mind the actual penalty.

F1 is far more composed than this, you're probably the first person to actually say something nice about NASCAR style rulings...how sad.

 

[Swagger897]

2014 United Sports Car Championship: Where fans are divided, due to our bad NASCAR quality calls and unnecessary full course cautions.

Aren't we all excited!!!

The caution wasn't needed, but the problem was unknown as to why he went off. Even the broadcasters disagreed with each other..

But we can look at almost every NASCAR finish and say there should've been a penalty with our favorite drivers... But as they always say "that's racing"

There should be reckless driving penalties, as our laws contain them...

 

[TheCracker]

Ahhhhh.... Motorsport on TV once again!!! Brilliant!

MotorsTV had almost continuous coverage, must have caught almost half of it. A good close race throughout most of the classes. It really didn't require the unnecessary yellow flag at the vey end. Spoiled it for me somewhat.

The Ferrari shouldn't have been penalised for the move on the Audi IMO.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The caution wasn't needed, but the problem was unknown as to why he went off. Even the broadcasters disagreed with each other..

But we can look at almost every NASCAR finish and say there should've been a penalty with our favorite drivers...

Well Oval racing is different but the cautions then broadcasting and the waiting forever to call a penalty are all issues. Should Ferrari have been penalized sure, is it for the incident they were called on no, it should have been the incident prior. That incident you can see him actually get off the apex just to hip check the Audi.

 

[RACECAR]

BUT IT WAS INTENTIONAL. He pushed left on turn 17, and then again pushing him to the enclosing wall. If he kept pushing, he would've hit the wall, and been seriously injured. It's ridiculous...

This r8 vs Ferrari isn't the same, where there was a penalty issued..

And hard racing isn't intentional? He didn't ram him into the wall, he bumped him yes but he didn't straight take him out. He only did enough to slow his momentum. I don't see how this has anything to do with today's race since neither car had damage and both cars made it to the line very closely instead of miles apart.

 

[Müle]

lol @ Audi fanboys trying to defend the bogus penulty.