2014 United Sports Car Championship

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Sad thing is a decent race (although way too short and a bit boring..) was overshadowed by terrible coverage..
 
I agree. Great race but too many commercials
 
I agree. Great race but too many commercials
There are always too many commercials, but Fox seems to take it to a whole new level. It wasn't surprising, given the NASCAR connection that they went with Fox and you would think that might be a good thing given NASCARs popularity, but I'm not so sure about it. I would prefer if these smaller series just dumped tv coverage outright, beefed up there servers and ran it flag to flag online.
 
#3 C7.R was sooo fast. I'm happy with the podium for the two Vettes.

Why cant they do picture in picture and still show the race during commercials, they do it with NASCAR on FOX.
 
#3 C7.R was sooo fast. I'm happy with the podium for the two Vettes.

Why cant they do picture in picture and still show the race during commercials, they do it with NASCAR on FOX.
It helped that all the other GT cars were caught behind the ESM #2 at the beginning which gave the 3 about a 13 second lead. Regardless, those vettes were tough

I wish they'd go side by side with commercials
 
Standing right by the back straight sounds insane in person. Man, the LED position displays are massively helpful. Why weren't those implemented earlier?
 
DPs need to lose about 20-25 HP and I think it will be perfect
 
DPs need to lose about 20-25 HP and I think it will be perfect
I think the LMP2 teams need to work harder. The DP pole time this year was about 0.7s quicker than last year's LMP2 pole time. The highest qualifying LMP2 car, Oak, was 0.4 seconds quicker than last year's pole time. Oak has never raced Long Beach before. It's only their 3rd race on Continental tires, and they still managed 0.4 quicker than last year. That's a lack of skill by ESM if you ask me.
 
Standing right by the back straight sounds insane in person. Man, the LED position displays are massively helpful. Why weren't those implemented earlier?
I was at both 24hr of Daytona and Sebring and the position indicator lights rarely showed the correct position or were glitched to "--" symbols. It would be nice if they were more accurate. That was from those 2 races I was at at least.
 
I think the LMP2 teams need to work harder. The DP pole time this year was about 0.7s quicker than last year's LMP2 pole time. The highest qualifying LMP2 car, Oak, was 0.4 seconds quicker than last year's pole time. Oak has never raced Long Beach before. It's only their 3rd race on Continental tires, and they still managed 0.4 quicker than last year. That's a lack of skill by ESM if you ask me.

I'll agree thats true. ESM was awful. But the power difference is too large in order for the P2s to have a fair fight with the DPs. Its too hard for them to pass. So I say find a way to slow the straightline speed of a DP while giving it back any time lost in cornering or braking.
 
I'll agree thats true. ESM was awful. But the power difference is too large in order for the P2s to have a fair fight with the DPs. Its too hard for them to pass. So I say find a way to slow the straightline speed of a DP while giving it back any time lost in cornering or braking.
Or give the LMP2 cars more power and take some downforce away. The DPs have already about doubled the downforce they have. Let the LMP2 guys eat the cost of some adjustments this time.
 
I was at both 24hr of Daytona and Sebring and the position indicator lights rarely showed the correct position or were glitched to "--" symbols. It would be nice if they were more accurate. That was from those 2 races I was at at least.

They were spot on for the most part today. Only other way to check positions at LB is by timing and scoring on your phone. :irked:
 
Why bother? You'll probably have it taken down because of copyright infringement, and the streaming is available for all.
I'm still going to do it and I highly doubt so anyways. There is already a couple of guys on Youtube who do upload all the ALMS/Rolex races at-least all the years prior to this 1. I just need to create a stand via items from Lowes,. May take a week since my boss is Jewish and is gone for Passover this week so no pay check for me until next Tuesday.

-Edit you guys are trippin who think the race wasn't good for Long Beach standards wise. I've been going and watching The Long Beach Race for a while now and I regret not going down there and getting my seat at Island burger and watching this race live at the best corner here at this track. I'm planning on re watching the race again tonight just because I enjoyed so much!!!
 
Edit you guys are trippin who think the race wasn't good for Long Beach standards wise. I've been going and watching The Long Beach Race for a while now and I regret not going down there and getting my seat at Island burger and watching this race live at the best corner here at this track. I'm planning on re watching the race again tonight just because I enjoyed so much!!!
There are some people who will claim this race(and every other one before and after) sucks regardless. They'll be eternally PO'd that the DP is winning. They'll make up reasons why the DPs are faster. They'll blame NASCAR for the former ALMS race control screwing everything up.

In the end, you gotta pick and choose your battles. I'm a race fan. That was a good race! Quite a bit too many commercials, but I still enjoyed the race 👍
 
Despite all the differences here, everyone seems to agree the coverage has a long way to go? Can we all band together on that and give Fox a ton of crap?

This stuff is why I dropped all cable. Why suffer through horrible TV at a ridiculous price when you can watch most things for a fraction of the cost online?

If Fox needs this many ads to cover the price, then they should take my suggestion: Have an online PPV option for non-TV subscribers that is not limited based on region. They charge $5. People who don't have the option or need to pay $20 to buy the special sports package can watch it without being forced into also having Golf/NHL/MLB channels and $5 per race viewer is far more than Fox gets from subscriber fees.
 
There are some people who will claim this race(and every other one before and after) sucks regardless. They'll be eternally PO'd that the DP is winning. They'll make up reasons why the DPs are faster. They'll blame NASCAR for the former ALMS race control screwing everything up.

In the end, you gotta pick and choose your battles. I'm a race fan. That was a good race! Quite a bit too many commercials, but I still enjoyed the race 👍
If the DP's beat up on the Le Mans chassis then separate the classes next year, but 5 class will be a whole lot again too. If 5 classes is too much then go to the ECU, Hp/kg route to find the Bop. Pretty much the DP's are newly revised Group C Prototypes and I prefer them over the Le Mans open cockpit fighters so maybe the losing chassis will ditch them next yeAr, but that's wishful thinking here! :sly:👍

I didn't watch all the ALMS over Rolex because of their Prototype chassis, but on the reverse side I didn't want to watch the cheap looking GT4 chassis from the Rolex Series with their 5 lug wheel changes, but enjoyed the GTLM cars from ALMS. Now GT4 is GTD (awesome), an GTLM i get see with DP's
 
If the DP's beat up on the Le Mans chassis then separate the classes next year, but 5 class will be a whole lot again too. If 5 classes is too much then go to the ECU, Hp/kg route to find the Bop. Pretty much the DP's are newly revised Group C Prototypes and I prefer them over the Le Mans open cockpit fighters so maybe the losing chassis will ditch them next yeAr, but that's wishful thinking here! :sly:👍

I didn't watch all the ALMS over Rolex because of their Prototype chassis, but on the reverse side I didn't want to watch the cheap looking GT4 chassis from the Rolex Series with their 5 lug wheel changes, but enjoyed the GTLM cars from ALMS. Now GT4 is GTD (awesome), an GTLM i get see with DP's

DP is nothing like Group C..... Not even visually.
 
DP is nothing like Group C..... Not even visually.
They're the IMSA GTP"s child which was a modified version of Group C intended for privateer teams rather than the full on works factory teams to keep cost down. That's a lot like what the DP was. Now the DP is at least as much to operate as the LMP2. With the DP chassis already being about as much as if not more than the LMP2 chassis, effectively there is no more DP even though the upgraded models are on the grid
 
Just watched the race (had it DVR'd as I was gone) and great race. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that the amount of cautions were far less without GTD and LMPC. Race control finally didn't do anything to screw up the race and it actually played out well. I know its just this one race so far, but the impromptu sunday meeting Scott Atherton had with race control is producing results 👍

Overall (Aside from Fox's usual Pathetic race coverage for ANY race including NASCAR), Great race and I have absolutely no complaints. If this is what to expect for the rest of the season, then my faith in this series is much stronger.

Pretty much the DP's are newly revised Group C Prototypes

Hmmmm, no. Not really.


and I prefer them over the Le Mans open cockpit fighters so maybe the losing chassis will ditch them next yeAr, but that's wishful thinking here! :sly:👍

Uhhhh.....

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What exactly are you huffing anyway?


They're the IMSA GTP"s child which was a modified version of Group C intended for privateer teams rather than the full on works factory teams to keep cost down. That's a lot like what the DP was. Now the DP is at least as much to operate as the LMP2. With the DP chassis already being about as much as if not more than the LMP2 chassis, effectively there is no more DP even though the upgraded models are on the grid

Could've sworn as you said before, the DPs are essentially Trans-Am cars.
 
Ummmm, that's what I've argued against I'm pretty sure. And even if they are, what's wrong with that. I guarantee you the vast majority of the fans in the stands have no clue what chassis those cars are made of. I'd go as far as saying that most of the ones that do couldn't care less about it. From the races I've been to, there's no huge contingent of people in the garages, stands, or anywhere else talking about how those horrible outdated tube frame cars ruin sports car racing or how these carbon chassis cars are the only reason that the fans came.
 
For the record, I thought the race was great, just the coverage was terrible.

I like Calvin (always lol @ "argy bargy") and Dorsey, but there's not much they can really do when they only call the race for 5 minutes at a time.
 
Ummmm, that's what I've argued against I'm pretty sure. And even if they are, what's wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with it ( I 🤬 love Trans-Am), just thought I remembered you saying that.
 
It was a great race when we weren't being spoon fed commercials in 5 minute blocks. I watched it on DVR and it was funny to speed through a commercial break, see them pop back in for an instant with the leaderboard, then go straight into a second commercial break. Great race when we could actually see it.

I loved not seeing PC there, but I missed GTD. The BoP for P seems to be a failure. They said Laguna Seca should favor the P2 so I will be watching that closely. If P2 doesn't dominate there as DP has so far (and I suspect will again), then I'm in favor of either separating DP and P2 next year, or getting rid of the lesser used class (which happens to be P2 but as a former Grand Am fan I would say the same even if it were DP). PC needs to go regardless.
 
Found this online - this the Coyote chassis at last?

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Anybody who thinks this



Doesn't resemble this is crazy!!! :crazy: Sorry, but say what ever you like about it, I wont be buying it!



Looks similar to me except for the transplant, grab your ruler's plz...
 
Just watched the race (had it DVR'd as I was gone) and great race. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that the amount of cautions were far less without GTD and LMPC. Race control finally didn't do anything to screw up the race and it actually played out well. I know its just this one race so far, but the impromptu sunday meeting Scott Atherton had with race control is producing results 👍

Overall (Aside from Fox's usual Pathetic race coverage for ANY race including NASCAR), Great race and I have absolutely no complaints. If this is what to expect for the rest of the season, then my faith in this series is much stronger.



Hmmmm, no. Not really.




Uhhhh.....

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What exactly are you huffing anyway?




Could've sworn as you said before, the DPs are essentially Trans-Am cars.

I said Open Cockpit Fighters not Closed Cockpit! These are clearly LMP 1 Closed Cockpits not what I was talking about, look up PC Class via Tudor Series.
 
Found this online - this the Coyote chassis at last?

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Ummm, that's the Coyote chassis that SoD has been running since about 2008 with Corvette bodywork that's been here since the Gen 3 update and a dual element rear wing that's new for 2014.

Coyote has been working on specific bodywork for their chassis. That doesn't look any different than the current Corvette kit
 
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