2014 United Sports Car Championship

[RACECAR]

I said Open Cockpit Fighters not Closed Cockpit! These are clearly LMP 1 Closed Cockpits not what I was talking about, look up PC Class via Tudor Series.

I was showing you not all LMPs are open cockpit. And since you were specifically talking about TUSCC LMPs:

Again, not all of them are open top.

Ummm, that's the Coyote chassis that SoD has been running since about 2008 with Corvette bodywork that's been here since the Gen 3 update and a dual element rear wing that's new for 2014.

I detect high levels of photoshop in the pic.

 

[Mac K]

It's a Porsche 956 or 962 with the DP front end photoshopped on.. Look at the windshield banner..

 

[joetruckv8]

Ummm, that's the Coyote chassis that SoD has been running since about 2008 with Corvette bodywork that's been here since the Gen 3 update and a dual element rear wing that's new for 2014.

Coyote has been working on specific bodywork for their chassis. That doesn't look any different than the current Corvette kit

I do like the revised headlights to match the current year'

 

[joetruckv8]

I was showing you not all LMPs are open cockpit. And since you were specifically talking about TUSCC LMPs:

Again, not all of them are open top.




I detect high levels of photoshop in the pic.

I pretty much don't care for the Open Cockpit PC category, and the LMP 2 category for visual entertainment only. I do like that the categories are available for the Teams to race in WEC & Tudor for expansion purposes tho. Since we are being clear about or debate. I do get your point about not all prototypes not being open cockpit like this Mazda and the Lotus's from WEC last year, and those chassis I do think are good looking.

All & all this is just a matter of opinion and nothing more....

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ummm, that's the Coyote chassis that SoD has been running since about 2008 with Corvette bodywork that's been here since the Gen 3 update and a dual element rear wing that's new for 2014.

Coyote has been working on specific bodywork for their chassis. That doesn't look any different than the current Corvette kit

No it's a photoshop, the canopy doesn't even mach up with the rest of the car it's shifted to the left and it texture is different from the rest of the surrounding area.

 

[karl53]

Anybody who thinks this



Doesn't resemble this is crazy!!! Sorry, but say what ever you like about it, I wont be buying it!



Looks similar to me except for the transplant, grab your ruler's plz...

Group C was the height of sportscar technology back in the day, DPs certainly aren't that, so saying that they are modern day group C cars is kinda ridiculous imo...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Group C was the height of sportscar technology back in the day, DPs certainly aren't that, so saying that they are modern day group C cars is kinda ridiculous imo...

Exactly they don't even make anywhere close to the power that was being made also @joetruckv8 just because cars look "similar" doesn't mean anything really.

 

[joetruckv8]

Guys they look like the same shape as the DP's that's all I mean. I just stated that earlier, resemble a group c visually as the picture shows and not the transplant.

Agree to dis-agree moving on now...

 

[RACECAR]

It's a Porsche 956 or 962 with the DP front end photoshopped on.. Look at the windshield banner..

That's pretty much what I meant, the windshield gave it away instantly.

 

[cnd01]

Guys they look like the same shape as the DP's that's all I mean. I just stated that earlier, resemble a group c visually as the picture shows and not the transplant.

Agree to dis-agree moving on now...

I guess opinions like ours aren't right

 

[RACECAR]

Guys they look like the same shape as the DP's that's all I mean. I just stated that earlier, resemble a group c visually as the picture shows and not the transplant.

So only in the fact that they are closed cockpit cars, the DPs resemble Group Cs? I'm not downing your opinion, just trying to understand it as I didn't see where you were even relating the two.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I also think that the DPs are kinda similar to Group C cars, only from the looks though.
Maybe a bit like a mix between Group C and the later GT1 cars (like the R390).

 

[cnd01]

I also think that the DPs are kinda similar to Group C cars, only from the looks though.
Maybe a bit like a mix between Group C and the later GT1 cars (like the R390).

I agree totally. It's a closed cockpit R&S Mk III gen 1 and 2, and a Nissan R390 and IMSA GTP mix gen 3

Pics:

 

[Snaeper]

Sooo Muscle Milk is out.

Completely.

http://racer.com/imsa/item/102817-imsa-muscle-milk-pickett-racing-exits-tudor-championship

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Wasn't someone from GT Academy part of Milk Muscle?

 

[Mac K]

Part of me is sad, they're one of my favourite teams while the other part of me is happy, no point dumping money into something where you aren't competitive and the management of the series isn't the smartest..

Wasn't someone from GT Academy part of Milk Muscle?

Jann Mardenborough drove for them at the Sebring 12 Hour.

 

[IforceV8]

It wouldnt suprise me to see Oak leave too so they can run a 2nd car in the WEC 6hr Spa race that is the same weekend as Laguna Seca.

 

[Snaeper]

To have two of the biggest teams from ALMS that started the season already gone or going (Muscle Milk and Level 5) and another that didn't even make an attempt announcing plans for Pirelli WC (Dyson), I'm afraid things are looking more and more grim for TUSC when it comes to retaining the ALMS half of the fans.

Here's to hoping PWC continues to grow and become a main-attraction event rather than a side show to IndyCar. I'd love to see the series get big enough to split the GT3 cars off for them to do their own events (and go to two-driver+ teams to open up more spots of star talent to fill either full-time or part-time seats).

GT3 cars are way more exciting to me than DP/P2/PC cars anyways.

 

[RACECAR]

Terrible to hear and this is just after they finally have a race where Race Control didn't do something daft (Although the drivers at Sebring who caused some of those cautions didn't help).

Of course, this doesn't exactly sound like its exclusively down to TUSC:

MMPR has also reduced its staff size, leaving the team's immediate future direction open.

 

[cnd01]

Terrible to hear and this is just after they finally have a race where Race Control didn't do something daft (Although the drivers at Sebring who caused some of those cautions didn't help).

Of course, this doesn't exactly sound like its exclusively down to TUSC:

Exactly. Looks like it's not a pack up the toys and head where I would like it better. Same deal with L5 just Pickett isn't under attack by the feds like ST is. MM has gone from racing the entire TUSCC season possibly in multiple classes and Le Mans to not racing at all in less than 6 months.

 

[Müle]

Could also be partially down to "waaaahhh I don't have Dyson to beat up on waaaaah I can't compete against Ganassi and Taylor and AXR and ESM and the other world class organizations because I can only win in 3 car races waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh."

 

[aarror]

Yeah, no.
They were having major issues with the car, and when you're in a series with the issues of TUSC it's probably for the best to sit back for a year and wait and see how it works out instead of wasting a whole bunch of money on a potentially sinking ship. I would do the same in their position. In fact, I'd sell my P2 and go buy a GT3 for world challenge.

I'm thinking I'll be following them out really, I'll check back for Petit Le Mans.

 

[cnd01]

Could also be partially down to "waaaahhh I don't have Dyson to beat up on waaaaah I can't compete against Ganassi and Taylor and AXR and ESM and the other world class organizations because I can only win in 3 car races waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh."

That could be part of it; however, I think they, along with most other Nissan teams, thought that Nissan would give more factory support than they really do. The PWC team Mike Skeen drives for finally ditched the Nissan GT-R because they were having to develop it themselves while fully developed GT3 machinery just became legal. Nissan's idea of factory support is that they give you a free car and that's about it. In Conti challenge, there are a handful 370Z cars there, and Doran has been the only team to have any success really because they've been developing the car themselves for a few years now. I know this from talking to guys on Doran's team about it.

Yeah, no.
They were having major issues with the car, and when you're in a series with the issues of TUSC it's probably for the best to sit back for a year and wait and see how it works out instead of wasting a whole bunch of money on a potentially sinking ship. I would do the same in their position. In fact, I'd sell my P2 and go buy a GT3 for world challenge.

I'm thinking I'll be following them out really, I'll check back for Petit Le Mans.

Honestly if I was a team owner, I would've sat out from the get-go because of all the unknowns. That does put the teams that do sit out between a rock and a hard place though. You've gotta lay off all your drivers, engineers, crew, etc. for a year. That makes it tough to rebuild pretty much from scratch. I think Pickett realized that and then decided to give it a go at the last second with a totally new package which has teething issues as most do.

Also, good luck beating those factory Caddies in world challenge

 

[jjaisli]

While I disliked Scott Tucker as a person due to his shady business dealings, the loss of Level 2 as a team was a sad blow. And now that Dyson has announced it's joining the Pirelli World Challenge and Pickett Racking has officially pulled out, combined with the distasteful mess that was Daytona and Sebring, my excitement and enthusiasm for the USCSR has just about hit bottom. I'll still watch for GTLM. But as a staunch ALMS fan from the beginning, I always appreciated and admired the strong link with Le Mans. It somehow legitimized sports car racing in the US to the point that it became more than just a parochial, national series, but something larger and greater. That link has now grown very weak and I find it somewhat sad.

 

[Earth]

Surprised seeing @LMSCorvetteGT2 like every negative post, because of how quick he is to attack those who question other motorsports.

ALMS P2 teams are slow. Get over it. Even if Oak won a race, ESM, Pickett etc would be miles behind it and DP teams, probably fighting with GTLMs like they did at Long Beach.

 

[01GTP]

If the PWC changed it's sprint race format to endurance it probably could surpass the TUSCC as the premier GT racing series in America.

Until then it will probably only be a "side show" for other series.
If they combined the 2 races into one and added another driver it would be the same as TUSCC.
PWC has been going (just about as is) for 25 years so I imagine they are happy with what they are doing.
I like the fact that the Continental series has 2.5 hour endurance races.

Maybe the TUSCC will nullify itself.

For jjaisli.
No AE-86 but it is the FT1 in Leno's garage.

 

[Müle]

PWC will never, ever be close to the level of TUSC.

And I really can't believe people would rather watch a three or even two car race. than the Long Beach race we just had.

 

[Furinkazen]

Surprised seeing @LMSCorvetteGT2 like every negative post, because of how quick he is to attack those who question other motorsports.

ALMS P2 teams are slow. Get over it. Even if Oak won a race, ESM, Pickett etc would be miles behind it and DP teams, probably fighting with GTLMs like they did at Long Beach.

From the most negative person in this entire forum who says racing is dying half the ie - ironic. You know being on tyres your car was never designed for doesn't help either.

PWC will never, ever be close to the level of TUSC.

And I really can't believe people would rather watch a three or even two car race. than the Long Beach race we just had.

PWC seemed alright but a bit spread out out front. TUSC however has potential and always has, but it's constantly going backwards for one reason or another.

 

[Earth]

From the most negative person in this entire forum who says racing is dying half the ie - ironic. You know being on tyres your car was never designed for doesn't help either.

Being observant isnt being negative. I could play the violin while the ship sinks, or fiddle while the city burns, Instead I've decided to become a watch dog.

TUSC has done plenty to improve the series since the first race. They've almost done the impossible in just 3 races - balance DP and P2. The ACO has had 8 years to balance diesel and gas engines - and they still dont got it right. The difference is TUSC has an army of critics who are waiting for them to fail so they can dance in the ashes - TUSC's punishment - as they were used as a scapegoat for the demise of the ALMS

 

[Furinkazen]

Being observant isnt being negative. I could play the violin while the ship sinks, or fiddle while the city burns, Instead I've decided to become a watch dog.

TUSC has done plenty to improve the series since the first race. They've almost done the impossible in just 3 races - balance DP and P2. The ACO has had 8 years to balance diesel and gas engines - and they still dont got it right. The difference is TUSC has an army of critics who are waiting for them to fail so they can dance in the ashes - TUSC's punishment - as they were used as a scapegoat for the demise of the ALMS

Also TUSC has the worst stewarding seen in a long time that ALMS would have never had issues with in it's opening 2 races.